#instantbird log on 12 19 2010

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00:00:27 * Mic has too much time waiting for his images to finish :S
00:00:37 <clokep> What image are you processing?
00:01:53 <Mic> Photos, it's just standard stuff like selecting a nice part, changing gamma, adding scale bars and zoom level
00:02:33 <Mic> Pretty boring, especially if you have to wait for these all-image-changes to apply
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00:03:28 <Mic> Ahtlon XP's aren't really cutting-edge anymore ;)
00:04:42 <Mic> http://xkcd.com/178/
00:05:14 <Mic> Not a joke exactly but I knew there was something ;)
00:05:54 <clokep> :)
00:07:54 * hicham notes that there are some ubuntu devs idling here
00:09:47 <clokep> So my friend just got his desktop to do his PhD research on....installed Kubuntu a few days ago...and at every step keeps asking me how to do things and my response is always "I use windows, it just works (TM)" :P
00:13:50 <hicham> :)
00:15:13 <skeledrew> hmm
00:15:23 <skeledrew> darn. it's been a while
00:15:40 <skeledrew> so many new faces
00:15:43 <hicham> yeah, very long time
00:16:08 <skeledrew> well, i'm on holiday now
00:16:30 <skeledrew> a 3 week reprieve from the tortures of college
00:17:16 <clokep> How'd the first semester go? :)
00:17:37 <hicham> college is nice
00:17:38 <skeledrew> i survived :)
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00:17:47 * clokep is going to miss college.
00:18:01 <skeledrew> clokep: senior year?
00:18:03 <clokep> Although I certainly won't miss homework. :)
00:18:07 <skeledrew> lol
00:18:10 <hicham> I wish I can start a PhD
00:18:10 <clokep> I'm graduating w/ my masters this semester, yes.
00:18:19 <skeledrew> wow
00:18:20 <skeledrew> k
00:18:28 <clokep> Last year was my senior year.
00:18:35 <skeledrew> oh
00:18:53 <skeledrew> hmm
00:18:53 <clokep> PhD, psh. ;) Seems like a lot of work for not much advantage.
00:19:04 <skeledrew> clokep: really?
00:19:05 <clokep> Although you'd be a "doctor" then, that's pretty ballin'.
00:19:07 <skeledrew> how so?
00:19:18 <skeledrew> i thought that was the ultimate
00:19:27 <clokep> In terms of engineering it doesn't help you much from what I've heard.
00:19:36 <skeledrew> oh
00:19:40 <Mic> hicham: PhD on what?
00:19:41 * clokep just got sauce on his monitor, one second.
00:19:44 <skeledrew> well, that would seem true
00:20:19 <hicham> Mic : Telecommunications
00:20:23 <skeledrew> PhDs are usually for researchers and teachers
00:20:25 <clokep> For engineering, you don't really need a PhD unless you want to do some specific things or for teaching.
00:20:30 <clokep> Yes. :)
00:20:46 <hicham> I don't like teaching
00:20:53 <skeledrew> i want to get the masters level myself
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00:21:09 <skeledrew> hicham: it could be fun. depends on your students
00:21:27 <clokep> skeledrew: I really enjoyed my masters, it was much more specific and I got to work a lot of interesting classes. :)
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00:21:35 <skeledrew> k
00:21:42 <skeledrew> sounds good
00:21:45 <clokep> But get through your undergraduate first. ;)
00:21:53 <skeledrew> lol
00:21:54 <skeledrew> yup
00:21:58 <clokep> At least a year of it. :P
00:22:09 <skeledrew> i'll do all 4
00:22:11 <skeledrew> lol
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00:22:18 <skeledrew> or at least try
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00:22:47 <skeledrew> are the first semesters always easy?
00:22:50 <clokep> That wasn't Firefox. :(
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00:23:00 <skeledrew> clokep: you just blinked
00:23:26 <skeledrew> actually, several persons are blinking
00:23:36 <clokep> I found my first not a ton of work.
00:23:44 <clokep> What's you major again?
00:23:53 <skeledrew> Philosophy
00:24:15 <skeledrew> going to be doing my first Phil course next sem
00:24:23 <clokep> Nice. :)
00:24:35 <clokep> I took one philosophy course. ;)
00:24:42 <skeledrew> lol
00:24:43 <skeledrew> k
00:25:00 <skeledrew> i'm going to be doing about 10 overall
00:25:48 <skeledrew> anyway, on to more interesting things :)
00:26:00 <skeledrew> my addon stopped working for some reason
00:26:06 <skeledrew> no idea why :(
00:26:34 <clokep> Before or after mozilla-2.0 landing?
00:26:46 <clokep> Before or after imIContacts replacing purpleIBuddy? :)
00:26:49 <skeledrew> i dodn't think i upgraded anything
00:26:59 <clokep> Oh, are you not on nightlies?
00:27:03 <skeledrew> no
00:27:09 <skeledrew> 0.2
00:27:23 <skeledrew> hmm
00:27:24 <clokep> No idea. :( Any errors? Which extensio was this again?
00:27:50 <skeledrew> My Status
00:28:15 <clokep> Ah, right.
00:28:18 <Mook> hmm, is anybody here using colorize? what colour am I? :)
00:28:26 <clokep> You're green Mook.
00:28:31 <Mook> okay, thanks.
00:28:38 <Mook> sounds like I didn't break it with my local changes, then :D
00:28:40 <skeledrew> Mook: i'm not, but you're green
00:28:42 <clokep> Same as what you are in the participants list?
00:29:13 <clokep> skeledrew: If you have errors I can think about it...otherwise, I don'tknow. :-\
00:29:52 <skeledrew> scanning...
00:31:06 <skeledrew> nothing beyond the usual
00:32:09 <skeledrew> for some reason, the setting doesn't show in about:config
00:32:54 <skeledrew> hmm. lemme upgrade...
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00:41:54 <clokep> The usual being all the crap libpurple throws in there? :)
00:43:24 <Mook> hmm, I guess I should just grab 0.2 myself to test
00:44:03 <clokep> Mook: 0.2 is 1.9.2.* just so you know.
00:44:14 <Mook> clokep: ah, okay, thanks
00:44:26 * Mook *thinks* this should still work...
00:44:30 <clokep> Also, about bucktooth...are you running Aero? I'm not sure something is a bug or not. :-\
00:44:35 <skeledrew> clokep: yeah
00:44:45 <skeledrew> upgrading...
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00:44:58 <Mook> clokep: yes, areo
00:45:14 <clokep> The top border seems "too white" on the buddy list when not selected...
00:45:23 <Mook> huh. you on aero?
00:45:25 <clokep> Let me get you a screenshot I guess. ;)
00:45:28 <clokep> Yes. win 7
00:45:50 <Mook> same. which means we're not getting much of a test coverage :p
00:46:07 <clokep> Where can I upload random pictures?
00:46:17 <Mook> I tend to use imgur.com
00:46:36 <Mook> imageshack.us and min.us work well to, I think?
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00:47:18 <clokep> Mook: http://imgur.com/Qe4RF
00:47:37 <skeledrew> where'd my MotD go?
00:47:41 <clokep> The minefield window isn't actually useful since it's maximized there.
00:47:45 <clokep> skeledrew: You mean topic?
00:47:45 <skeledrew> i only see a blank space
00:47:50 <skeledrew> yeah
00:47:53 <clokep> Do you have NickServKiller?
00:47:59 <clokep> It messes it up.
00:48:01 <skeledrew> i think so
00:48:24 <skeledrew> actually, no
00:48:25 <Mook> huh. so it's like it's not colourizing the title bar area?
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00:48:37 <clokep> What do you mean by colorizing?
00:48:41 <skeledrew> dang. complete redesign
00:49:00 <clokep> I'm talking about the very very top, see how the minimize, close, maximize buttons have a lot of white pixels at the top?
00:49:06 <clokep> That's not there with any of my other windows.
00:49:20 <skeledrew> clokep: is there something wrong with the topic thing?
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00:49:33 <Mook> oh. I'm looking at the wrong window, I'm an idiot
00:49:37 <clokep> skeledrew: Only when you use NickServKiller
00:49:41 <Mook> so, there's like a 1px top border?
00:49:51 <clokep> Mook. :) Yes, I think it's 1 - 2 pixels.
00:49:55 <clokep> Most likely one...
00:49:59 <skeledrew> clokep: but i don't have it
00:50:04 <Mook> okay, yeah, I've seen that
00:50:10 <Mook> it's more obvious with aero off, actually
00:50:19 <clokep> Looks like it's 1 pixel.
00:50:26 * clokep just zoomed wayyyyyy in with Paint.
00:51:03 <clokep> Oh, Mook, a good color to use might be the blue in the header on the lxr pages: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/
00:51:35 <skeledrew> different coloured icons...
00:52:36 <Mook> hmm, okay
00:52:45 <Mook> let me just post a diff for colorize first... :D
00:52:50 <Mic> Oh, Nighly builds have a bomb instead of a planet if you mean that, skeledrew
00:53:06 <clokep> diff for colorize? To do what?
00:53:11 <Mic> Check the about dialog
00:53:13 <skeledrew> Mic: oh. lol
00:53:52 <Mic> hmm, it's cut off on the about dialog
00:54:02 <skeledrew> what a warning
00:54:06 <skeledrew> Mic: what?
00:54:12 <Mook> to make it not overlay instantbird.xul to do its thing
00:54:56 <Mic> I thought the bomb-image would be there but the top is cut of so it's just a black globe
00:55:13 <skeledrew> oh
00:55:27 <skeledrew> i do see it on the icon now
00:55:29 <skeledrew> lol
00:55:56 <skeledrew> MinTrayR isn't working
00:55:56 <skeledrew> would hacking it into the nightly break it?
00:56:15 <clokep> skeledrew: You need to download the Fx version.
00:56:25 <skeledrew> oh?
00:56:33 <clokep> Linking...
00:56:46 <clokep> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/105694/minimizetotray_revived__mintrayr_-0.8.1-fx+tb+sm-linux.xpi?src=version-history
00:57:05 <clokep> Oh, he added Instantbird0.3a1 compatibility, yay. :)
00:57:10 <clokep> You won't even need to hack it. ;)
00:57:22 <skeledrew> linux???
00:57:35 <skeledrew> i'm on XP here...
00:57:56 <clokep> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12581/versions/
00:58:00 <clokep> Idk why it did that. It shold be Ok...
00:58:21 <skeledrew> lol
00:58:34 <clokep> One of them worked haha. AMO might be freaking out.
00:58:40 <clokep> I have the xpi around somehwere too if need ot be.
01:00:23 <Mook> hmm. how do I file bugs against hg.instantbird.org/addons ?
01:00:43 <Mic> You don't ;)
01:00:57 <Mic> No, the categories are a problem
01:01:05 <clokep> There's a bug for it!!! :)
01:01:10 <Mic> Pick anything general
01:01:20 <clokep> Just file it against websites > general and depend that bug? Hahah.
01:01:42 <clokep> bug 428. :P
01:01:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Need Product:Addons + Components in Bugzilla
01:01:58 <skeledrew> here goes...
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01:03:41 <Mook> dear bugzilla: hello! you still there?
01:03:53 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 635 filed by mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com.
01:03:54 <instantbot> mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com added attachment 436 to bug 635.
01:03:55 <instantbot> mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 436 on bug 635.
01:03:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [addons - colorize] Stop overlaying instantbird.xul
01:04:20 <skeledrew> that's a huge one...
01:04:38 <Mic> Mook: maybe it helps if you complain in bug 428 or bug 571? ;)
01:04:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Need Product:Addons + Components in Bugzilla
01:04:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Product & Components on bugzilla  unclear/inconsistent
01:05:03 * skeledrew is playing "find the hidden 'x'" with the topic pull down...
01:05:17 <Mook> skeledrew: which is huge?
01:05:43 <clokep> skeledrew: Anywhere on the right should work.
01:05:44 <skeledrew> Mook: your bug list
01:06:16 <skeledrew> k
01:06:43 <clokep> We should probably update all extensions like that. ;)
01:07:17 <Mook> huh. looked tiny to me. meh.
01:07:26 <skeledrew> clokep: is the buddy list icon supposed to be always showing in the tray now?
01:07:53 <skeledrew> Mook: bot must've inflated it...
01:08:13 <Mook> skeledrew: I think it's just that mic mentioned two bugs rght after
01:08:24 <skeledrew> hmm
01:08:25 <skeledrew> oh
01:08:25 <skeledrew> k
01:08:49 <Mic> skeledrew: only if you use minimize to tray
01:09:03 <skeledrew> yup
01:09:09 <skeledrew> k then
01:09:15 <skeledrew> so much to take in
01:09:20 <clokep> skeledrew: I have no idea if it's supposed to be there also, I don't minimize to tray. ;)
01:09:36 <skeledrew> ahh
01:09:50 <hicham> firetray gives the option to select which windows to hide/show
01:10:32 <skeledrew> hmm
01:10:40 <skeledrew> what should i do?
01:11:09 <Mic> Firetray is only for Linux, isn't it?
01:11:12 <skeledrew> i want to try fixing my addon, but i also want to start some deving on aAndroid...
01:11:16 <skeledrew> Mic: yes
01:12:23 <skeledrew> hmm. anyone here using my addon? (My Status) does it work?
01:12:46 <Mook> clokep: is http://i.imgur.com/jWSzK.png better?
01:12:49 <skeledrew> cuz it's still busted after my upgrade
01:13:21 <clokep> skeledrew: Not using it. Could test it at some point if you want.
01:13:26 <clokep> Mook: Yes that looks better. :)
01:13:37 <skeledrew> clokep: please do
01:13:41 <clokep> Linkify me? :)
01:13:55 <clokep> "deving on an Android" For Instantbird or in general? ;)
01:14:20 <skeledrew> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/downloads/latest/259/addon-259-latest.xpi
01:14:24 <skeledrew> lol
01:14:27 <skeledrew> in general
01:14:40 <skeledrew> i want to learn more about it
01:14:50 <Mook> pushed. now to try to track down the top border...
01:15:00 <clokep> skeledrew: Need to turn on my other computer, give me a minute. :P
01:15:04 <skeledrew> wait. didn't flo say he was thinking of porting IB there?
01:15:10 <clokep> Is the code available online I can look at it or do I need to unzip?
01:15:21 <clokep> He did, but I think it's an "eventually" thing?
01:15:24 <skeledrew> uhh. don't quite remember...
01:15:29 <skeledrew> lol
01:15:43 <skeledrew> i could help bootstrapping it
01:15:52 <skeledrew> i have an Android now
01:16:08 <Mook> hehe, the blue makes me think thunderbird
01:16:58 <clokep> skeledrew: WFM.
01:17:09 <skeledrew> ?
01:17:10 <clokep> Just the status string, right?
01:17:16 <skeledrew> yeah
01:17:59 <clokep> Yup, works for me (WFM).
01:18:02 <clokep> Restarting one sec.
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01:18:20 <clokep> Mook: Looks much better! :-D
01:18:30 <clokep> And I won't get confused about my windows onw....
01:18:39 <skeledrew> weird
01:18:48 <skeledrew> it must hate me or something
01:19:01 <Mook> ... until thunderbird gets that menu button dealy too! :D
01:19:16 <clokep> skeledrew: Nuke your profile? ;)
01:19:24 <clokep> (I'm kidding. Try delete the preference though.)
01:19:34 <skeledrew> the pref isn't there
01:19:39 <skeledrew> that's the issue
01:19:48 <clokep> Uninstall the addon.
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01:19:50 <clokep> Start again.
01:19:52 <clokep> Quit.
01:19:54 <clokep> Reinstall the addon.
01:20:25 <skeledrew> hmm. need to setup my dev profile...
01:20:54 <skeledrew> oh goody. it's already here :)
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01:21:59 <skeledrew-dev> oh darn. Javascript Debbugger and DOMi just got busted...
01:22:11 <clokep> DOMi from AMO works fine. :)
01:22:14 <clokep> Except there's no UI.
01:22:23 <skeledrew-dev> !
01:22:33 <clokep> You can start it with the -inspector command line flag.
01:22:34 <Mic> lol
01:23:01 <skeledrew-dev> i'm not that cmdline-ified...
01:23:09 <skeledrew-dev> well, we'll see...
01:23:22 <Mic> Open the properties of the shortcut to Ib
01:23:24 <clokep> Just open the command line and run:
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01:23:50 <clokep> "C:\Program Files\Instantbird\instantbird.exe" -P dev -no-remote -inspector
01:23:51 <clokep> Easy. ;)
01:24:04 <Mic> Append that piece after the program target 
01:24:24 <skeledrew-dev> how about just hacking the current one?
01:24:29 <skeledrew-dev> :)
01:24:39 <clokep> Idk if it'll work.
01:24:49 <skeledrew-dev> hmm
01:24:55 <skeledrew-dev> we'll see...
01:25:45 <skeledrew-dev> i have a couple addons i started building in here that i don't even remember doing
01:25:46 <skeledrew-dev> lol
01:25:52 <clokep> :)
01:25:59 <clokep> I have A LOT of extensions that are half finished.
01:26:07 <skeledrew-dev> lol
01:26:08 <skeledrew-dev> k
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01:29:01 <skeledrew-dev> interesting
01:29:11 <skeledrew-dev> works fine in my dev profile...
01:29:19 <Mook> http://i.imgur.com/eQeX7.png - hmm, should I have a top border on the button?
01:29:30 <skeledrew-dev> wonder what i did to my regular profile
01:29:36 <Mic> Mook: would be nice in my opinion
01:29:38 <clokep> Mook: i think that it looks correct.
01:29:50 <Mook> (for reference: firefox has one)
01:30:00 <clokep> Firefox does not seem to have one.
01:30:01 <clokep> I think.
01:30:06 <clokep> Maybe my definition of border is different. :)
01:30:47 <clokep> Mook: How hard would it be to move it more to the left also? :D
01:31:10 <Mic> Is the left margin intentional?
01:31:20 <Mook> (by border, I mean http://i.imgur.com/5p6vZ.png )
01:31:34 <Mook> yeah, I hope to get double-click-to-close in that margin there, eventually...
01:31:42 <Mook> (try doing that to explorer!)
01:31:45 <hicham> nice
01:32:25 <clokep> "double-click-to-close"?
01:32:59 <clokep> I'm like 90% sure my Minefield does NOT have that border there. :) But either way works for me.
01:33:11 <Mic> Double clicking the icon closed programs under Windows XP and earlier
01:33:19 <clokep> Oh? Really?
01:33:23 <clokep> I never used that icon.
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01:33:35 <clokep> Oh, still works in IE> :)
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01:34:24 <Mook> yeah, but I meant windows explorer (explorer.exe) - where there's no icon, but it still closes! :D
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01:35:04 <skeledrew> dang
01:35:05 <Mic> It's not exactly discoverable
01:35:06 <skeledrew> it works
01:35:16 <Mook> it was! in... Windows 3.11
01:35:35 <skeledrew> all i did was reset the prefs
01:35:41 <skeledrew> :)
01:35:42 <Mic> Wasn't it a bar in a box back then?
01:35:43 <clokep> I think skeledrew, me and Mic are all a little young to remember a lot about 3.11. ;)
01:35:57 <Mic> Maybe you are, clokep :P
01:36:14 <clokep> I didn't think you were that much older! I didn't really use a computer until Windows 95.
01:36:17 <skeledrew> i've HEARD ABOUT it
01:36:21 <skeledrew> lol
01:36:22 <clokep> Besides like launching games maybe.
01:37:06 <skeledrew> interesting. the topic pull down is working fine now too :)
01:37:28 <clokep> Did you reset all your prefs?
01:37:37 <skeledrew> except for one of my channels :(
01:37:48 <skeledrew> clokep: no. just for My Status
01:37:53 <clokep> Oh OK.
01:37:56 <Mook> yeah, it was indeed bar-in-a-box
01:38:13 <clokep> Yes, it sometimes will do that skeledrew, where it'll work for some and not others. Idk why. I don't think anyone has looked into it yet.
01:38:15 <skeledrew> must be some kind of glitch
01:38:24 <skeledrew> k
01:38:52 <skeledrew> glad to know my addon didn't quite fritz on me though :)
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01:44:54 <Mic> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Program_Manager.png
01:45:02 <Mook> hmm, the unhide-on-alt isn't going to work :(
01:45:39 <Mic> Reminds me of .. Linux GUIs :P
01:47:18 <clokep> Mook: You actually need another set of menus I'm guessing?
01:47:24 <Mook> yeah
01:48:09 <clokep> :-\
01:49:42 <clokep> hicham: He's on 64-bit Linux so he can't use firetray. :(
01:50:18 <Mook> would you be alright with "open the menu when you hold alt"?
01:50:33 <hicham> clokep: can he build stuff ? then I can give him the patches sources
01:51:18 <clokep> Mook: I don't really care either way, but to fit in with other Windows programs it should allow it. :) I do use it on occasion in Fx though.
01:51:28 <clokep> hicham: He can build fortran-90 programs. ;)
01:51:39 <Mook> yeah, I understand what you want and why you want it. I'm just having trouble delivering :p
01:51:48 <clokep> It's fine. :)
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01:52:03 <clokep> Something to keep in mind if it were to go into the real source treee.
01:52:08 <Mook> yep
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01:52:19 <Mook> one of the awesome things about building things into extensions first :D
01:52:54 <clokep> Yes. :) So that's just a super styled button, eh? That's pretty awesome.
01:53:22 <clokep> The menus look funky for me. Since they all go off to the left haha, but that's my issue.
01:59:45 <Mook> okay, made alt open the menu
02:00:57 <Mook> you still can't do Alt+F, but at least you can do Alt, F
02:02:01 <clokep> :)
02:04:03 <clokep> I'll pull again tomorrow.
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02:05:37 <Mook> haha
02:05:46 <Mook> amusingly, bucktooth doesn't work well with unibrow
02:07:33 <clokep> Oh, hey does anyone know an IRC room that someone actually has the founder flag? :)
02:07:44 <clokep> That's a shame, I'm sure you'll get 'em to work together well. :)
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02:50:26 <skeledrew> clokep: #intj channel on typemetrics.net
02:50:37 <skeledrew> irc.*
02:50:45 <clokep> Uhh...OK, what's that for? :)
02:50:57 <skeledrew> founder flag thingie
02:51:12 <clokep> Noo...I meant the site? Are you in it in Instantbird? Does the "Founder" have a little flag next to it?
02:51:28 <clokep> (Instead of the op star.)
02:51:53 <skeledrew> well there's someone there with a little blue flag beside their name
02:51:55 <skeledrew> yep
02:52:01 <clokep> Cool. :) Thanks.
02:52:09 <skeledrew> np
02:52:10 * clokep will use that to test eventually.
02:52:24 <skeledrew> one issue
02:52:33 <clokep> What?
02:52:36 <skeledrew> you might get kicked pretty fast
02:52:37 <skeledrew> lol
02:52:53 <skeledrew> you need to be active in the forums to use the channel
02:52:53 <clokep> Hahah.
02:53:15 <clokep> Haha oK. I'll just figure out how to do it on my own server. :)
02:53:28 <skeledrew> just hope the mods are sleeping or something when you drop in
02:53:41 <clokep> Hahah. OK. :)
02:53:43 <skeledrew> k
02:54:00 * clokep should test that before he has the nicklist disappear when you leave a room. ;)
02:54:18 <skeledrew> hmm
02:54:38 <skeledrew> would it be any other way?
02:55:05 <clokep> Right now if you part a room it keeps everyone in the list.
02:55:15 <skeledrew> really?
02:55:18 <skeledrew> why?
02:55:21 <clokep> Yup.
02:55:22 <clokep> Idk.
02:55:29 * skeledrew has never parted a room before
02:55:35 <clokep> Not sure if it's the plug in or the UI.
02:55:40 <skeledrew> k
02:55:45 <clokep> Go /join #developers then /part :)
02:55:56 <skeledrew> maybe a destructor of sorts is needed?
02:56:05 <skeledrew> hmm
02:56:20 <clokep> I /think/ the UI is notified when you part (i.e. you "close" the conversation), but I'm not sure.
02:57:01 <skeledrew> k
02:57:10 <skeledrew> does the list still update?
02:57:14 <clokep> No.
02:57:18 <skeledrew> k
02:57:43 <skeledrew> maybe a destructor is needed for the list then
02:58:24 <skeledrew> sounds like a UI thing
02:58:25 <clokep> Maybe.
02:58:38 * clokep is about to give up studying and work on a richlistbox binding.
02:58:54 <skeledrew> that reminds me. i need to hack the dev tools
02:58:55 <clokep> And by "richlistbox" I clearly mean "richtextbox". :)
02:59:01 <skeledrew> lol
02:59:08 <skeledrew> what are you studying?
02:59:10 <clokep> Richlistbox already exists haha.
02:59:25 <clokep> Intro to Stochastic Signals & Systems.
02:59:28 <clokep> There's nothing "intro" about it.
02:59:33 <skeledrew> umm
02:59:36 <skeledrew> whaaaat?
02:59:46 <clokep> Stochastic == Random
02:59:53 <clokep> "Intro to Random Signals & Systems)
02:59:56 <skeledrew> k...
03:00:08 <skeledrew> for?
03:00:09 <clokep> I.e. "Intro to Signals with Noise and their effects on systems"
03:00:15 <skeledrew> oh
03:00:18 <clokep> I have a final Monday.
03:00:18 <skeledrew> k
03:00:23 <skeledrew> that makes more sense
03:00:29 <skeledrew> wow
03:00:33 <skeledrew> good luck
03:00:52 <clokep> Thanks.
03:01:01 <skeledrew> hmm
03:01:19 <skeledrew> wonder if i can find those addons again...
03:01:26 <skeledrew> *dev addons
03:01:38 <clokep> Which dev addons?
03:01:50 <skeledrew> DOMi and JD
03:01:56 <clokep> Ah, OK.
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03:05:28 <skeledrew> darn
03:05:56 <skeledrew> can't i do an inplace hack of the install.rdf and have it work?
03:06:09 <clokep> You need to purge your extension cache...
03:06:16 <skeledrew> hmm
03:06:17 <skeledrew> how?
03:06:18 <clokep> I forget the falg, give me a second.
03:06:48 <clokep> Haha.
03:07:06 <clokep> You can use -puregecaches as a flag.
03:07:19 <clokep> Or apparently I just delete 'extensions.*' in my profile everytime I run my dev profile. :)
03:07:26 <skeledrew> ahh
03:07:29 <skeledrew> k
03:08:06 <skeledrew> i'll make it a part of my running cmdline
03:08:37 <skeledrew> doubt i'll remember to delete every time
03:08:48 <clokep> Just set up a command in your text editor?
03:09:28 <skeledrew> i have my personal launcher
03:09:30 <skeledrew> :)
03:09:51 <skeledrew> what was that other command earlier?
03:09:57 <skeledrew> hmm
03:11:05 <skeledrew> oh
03:11:13 <skeledrew> that for the UI-less inspector...
03:11:20 <clokep> -inspector
03:11:28 <skeledrew> yup
03:11:36 <skeledrew> found it in the logs :)
03:11:39 <clokep> :)
03:12:23 <skeledrew> well, let's see how -purgecaches works out...
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03:14:39 <skeledrew> :(
03:14:45 <skeledrew> wonder what i did wrong
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03:15:19 <clokep> ?
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03:16:49 <clokep> What're you attempting to do? :)
03:17:39 <skeledrew> get that command to work
03:17:46 <skeledrew> -purgecaches
03:18:04 <clokep> That might not be for what you want.
03:18:09 <clokep> That might only purge component caches and stuff.
03:18:24 <clokep> Try delete extensions.*
03:18:32 <skeledrew> i want it to redetect the version support
03:18:32 <clokep> I forget what the actual extensions are for it.
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03:20:28 <skeledrew-dev> it worked!
03:21:17 <skeledrew-dev> funny. i don't see an IB entry for JD
03:22:35 <skeledrew> weird
03:22:59 <skeledrew> how did JD work in IB and there isn't an IB entry in install.rdf?
03:23:28 <skeledrew> what did it substitute for compat?
03:23:36 <clokep> Toolkit perhaps?
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03:24:54 <skeledrew> aha. here we are. now there's an entry for it :)
03:25:56 <skeledrew> looking good
03:26:04 <skeledrew> only one problem
03:26:13 <skeledrew> i don't even remember how to use JD...
03:26:33 <skeledrew> but DOMi looks fine
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03:32:37 <skeledrew> interesting
03:33:10 <skeledrew> DOMi shows that all the names in the nicklist were destroyed on parting
03:33:16 <skeledrew> except the first one...
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03:48:07 <clokep> I have no idea :-D I haven't looked at it. I'm not sure it's even a "bug" technically, maybe it's a feature. ;)
03:57:20 <clokep> So this is kind of neat: http://imgur.com/bPo3Q
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16:27:33 <Mic> clokep: did you use a lib for the editor example or is that own work?
16:28:03 <clokep> Mic: I did that from scratch.
16:31:40 <clokep> And I worked on it a bit more so it does more than that.
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17:07:35 <Mic> How do you have to do these overlapping sections with different markup?
17:07:53 <clokep> You highlight different parts and hit the button?
17:08:00 <Mic> That's it?
17:08:17 <clokep> Yes.
17:08:18 <Mic> No need to do stuff like going over the selection and inserting nodes with styles?
17:08:23 <clokep> No.
17:08:27 <clokep> Mozilla editor takes care of it all.
17:08:29 <Mic> Ah, is that the editor component
17:08:40 <clokep> I'm rying to get one last thing to work...(sending messages ;))
17:08:44 <clokep> And then I'll show you.
17:09:00 <Mic> Of course
17:09:14 <clokep> Ah gotta update.
17:09:15 <Mic> sending messages would be useful  :P
17:09:31 <clokep> Yes. :)
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17:10:15 <Mic> "I wrote a nice message for you. Give me a second to send it by email to you" ;)
17:10:24 <clokep> Hah.
17:22:19 * clokep is really surprised AIM is still letting me sign on...
17:28:17 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 437 to bug 634.
17:28:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Richtext Formatting for Outgoing Messages
17:28:28 <clokep> Mic ^ ^ There you go.
17:30:34 <clokep> Wow that picked up a lot of things I didn't want it to. :-\
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17:31:00 <smaug> what does the "password" mean for IRC channels in instantbird?
17:31:15 <clokep> It'll send it to the server or if not the NickServ I believe.
17:31:27 <clokep> Although it might only work for certain networks. I don't remember exactly. :)
17:31:32 <clokep> I know it works here and on freenode. ;)
17:31:50 <smaug> ah, so it could send it to NickServ. good
17:32:00 <smaug> hmm
17:32:06 <clokep> Yes. :)
17:32:12 <smaug> there are different passwords
17:32:27 <smaug> NickServ is per network
17:32:31 <clokep> Right.
17:32:35 <smaug> then there is channel password
17:32:36 <clokep> But each IRC account you make is per network as well.
17:33:05 <clokep> Channel password you give when you join a channel. Not on log-on.
17:33:13 <smaug> right
17:34:01 <smaug> another question. if I open a new channel using #join, how can I make that channel to open automatically next time I start instantbird?
17:34:23 <clokep> In the account manager there's a list of auto-join accounts.
17:34:37 <clokep> Or go to "File" > "Join chat..." and type in the info and there's an auto-join textbox.
17:35:45 <smaug> ok
17:37:18 <smaug> ...if I could still close the buddy list window somehow. I don't need that for IRC
17:37:56 <clokep> You can minimize it to tray if you want.
17:38:10 <clokep> Depending what OS you're on.
17:38:20 <smaug> atm Win7
17:39:20 <clokep> Yes, one second. :)
17:39:39 <clokep> https://tn123.org/mintrayr/mintrayr-0.8.1-xp.xpi#hash(sha256:f6f51b1deac9ba0a0aea81ea1e078d5fc46b391699b8df818b83c6b2eb515b4c) Should work if you want to do that.
17:41:09 <smaug> ok, I'll try that a bit later
17:41:18 <smaug> thanks
17:42:12 <clokep> You're welcome! :)
17:42:25 <smaug> hmm
17:42:33 <smaug> there is no autocomplete
17:42:39 <clokep> No, there's not.
17:42:40 <smaug> or what to call it
17:42:42 <clokep> We have a bug on it.
17:42:44 <smaug> :(
17:43:04 <clokep> I know.
17:43:23 <clokep> There's an extension that lets you double click on what people said to reply, but auto-complete isn't quite there.
17:44:08 <smaug> I'm just testing instantbird to see whether I could replace chatzilla
17:44:24 <clokep> Understandable. :)
17:44:38 <smaug> autocomplete is kind of must-have
17:45:11 <clokep> Yes.
17:45:38 <smaug> If instantbird could handle skype chats too, that would be awesome
17:45:58 <clokep> Yes, something we want to add.
17:46:02 <smaug> skype would need to be running sure, but just to handle all the IM in one window...
17:46:33 <clokep> Yup, although if SkypeKit ever leaves better it's possible it could use that.
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18:01:40 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com added attachment 438 to bug 634.
18:01:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Richtext Formatting for Outgoing Messages
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18:10:52 <Mic> clokep: some question concerning the editor patch
18:10:58 <Mic> *bug
18:11:09 <Mic> What's the expected result?
18:11:10 <clokep> I hope you looked at the second one I just put up and not the first one?
18:11:27 <clokep> Righ tnow? A lot of garbled HTMl goes into the message.
18:11:41 <Mic> Should there be only the editor component left or both the input box and the editor box
18:11:51 <clokep> Only the editor box.
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18:11:56 <Mic> and one way to switch between them
18:11:59 <Mic> ah, ok
18:12:27 <Mic> but you can hopefully hide the edit buttons if you're not one of the fancy-message guys?
18:13:29 <clokep> Yes.
18:13:49 <clokep> There's also a "text" mode as opposed to HTML, which I'm hoping...makes it so the buttons won't do anything anyway. :)
18:14:30 <Mic> I wanted to reclaim the space they take though ;)
18:15:38 <Mic> The input box can adjust its size automatically to the entered text, I guess you will make it work with the editor instead as well?
18:16:47 <Mic> (even though I don't like this feature as it is)
18:16:59 <clokep> Yes, it needs to be made to work with the editor. :)
18:17:15 <clokep> That definitely doesn't work yet.
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18:17:35 <clokep> And I think for plaintext input I'll have it disable and hide the buttons.
18:17:38 <clokep> So they're just not there.
18:18:41 <clokep> Would be good to be able to collapse it somehow though...
18:18:50 <clokep> I.e. "Don't show me formatting, I don't care." :)
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18:22:24 <Mic> Maybe an item in the context menu would be fine
18:22:29 <Mic> Like the spellchecker has one
18:24:45 <clokep> Possibly. :)
18:24:54 <clokep> I let someone else worry about those small details. ;)
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19:17:59 <Mic> lol
19:18:12 <Mic> Details are important
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19:32:27 <Mic> I'm so looking forward to have time for coding again
19:35:23 <clokep> It's relaxing. :)
19:37:35 <clokep> Plus then we'll have sync. ;)
19:37:48 <clokep> So I'm looking forward to you coding again. :P
20:11:56 <Mic> The most interesting thing would be to have synchronized logs
20:12:43 <Mic> Accounts, buddies and some preferences will have to do until then
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23:37:49 <Mic> I'm impressed, it's sunday close to midnight (europe) and there are 20 different people here :)
23:44:18 <clokep> :) Good stuff.
23:55:29 <flo> Mic: I was impressed too when joining :)
23:56:14 <flo> Good night :)
23:58:13 <clokep> 'night!
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