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00:00:42 <Mic> Repackage the one from AMO? 00:01:54 --> Mook_ib has joined #instantbird 00:02:30 <-- Mook_ib has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 00:02:45 --> Mook_ib has joined #instantbird 00:03:10 <clokep> Mic: The ghetto way? Run it with a -inspector flag from the command line. :) 00:03:19 <Mic> Maybe we could try to get Ib compatibility into DOMi? 00:04:01 <Mic> Well, which shouldn't be difficult beside convincing someone that it should be there by default ;) 00:04:04 <clokep> There is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524113 so possibly... 00:04:55 <Mook> it's also possible to have a menu item that is only visible if DOMi is installed :) 00:05:17 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 00:05:34 * clokep thinks we should teach Instantbot to read bmo urls too. 00:05:40 --> clokep_js has joined #instantbird 00:05:52 * Mook can't remember where the place to stop channels from joining on startup is 00:06:02 <clokep> Account manager. 00:06:04 <clokep> Properties. 00:06:44 <Mook> that's got General and Advanced Options tabs, neither of which lists some place #instantbird can go in... 00:06:52 <Mook> except I'm blind, bah 00:06:59 <Mook> thanks :) 00:07:03 <Mic> Maybe we should have a really obvious way to toggle that 00:07:11 <Mook> (somehow I was expecting a list and not a textbox) 00:07:22 <-- Mook_ib has left #instantbird () 00:07:27 <clokep> Mic: I think they should be like app tabs, you've "pinned" them to always open. 00:07:30 <Mic> Like e.g. making a conversation tab persistent like the app tabs? 00:07:40 <clokep> :) 00:07:55 <Mic> Yeah, I think we discussed that before 00:07:57 <clokep> (Of course that messes up my vertical tabs, but that's my problem to figure out.) 00:08:39 <Mic> but it would be bad imo if that would definitely mean that you lose the description/conversation name 00:08:44 <clokep> Mook: libpurple only supports boolean, string, a predefined list and integer as preference types it seems. I'd prefer a listbox that let's you list channels on the left, passwords on the right. :( 00:08:57 <Mic> Would make it a pretty small target as well if we follow the Firefox way 00:09:01 <clokep> Mic: You'd need to be able to put an icon...wait, didn't you make a mock up for this? :) 00:09:52 <Mic> Yes, I stole Stephen Horlander's Chromatic-pixel favicon for the UX channel mockup :D 00:10:04 <Mic> It just looks cool ;) 00:11:07 <Mic> Making the user set an icon for it is bad imo, it should require any further interaction that just telling Ib to make it persistent 00:11:33 <Mic> *shouldn't 00:11:45 <clokep> Buddies are easy if they have a buddy icon. 00:12:17 <Mic> I don't think so: buddy icons are just not made to be displayed in 16x16 00:12:25 <Mook> clokep: how the UI is presented doesn't have to relate to how it's stored internally 00:12:33 <Mook> _somebody_ parses the string into a list... 00:12:45 <Mic> The might have a terrible aspect ratio, too many details .. 00:12:48 <Mic> *They 00:12:57 <clokep> Mook: Right, but the UI is auto-generated from the libpurple data types, how are we to know that /that/ string is supposd to be parsed that way? ;) 00:13:01 <clokep> ALthough in this case we can...:( 00:13:15 <Mook> oh. huh, didn't realize the autogenerated part 00:13:37 <clokep> Mook: The advanced tab is autogenerated, but actually the general tab isn't...so we could fix that. :) 00:14:03 <clokep> I'll file a bug for it. 00:14:12 <clokep> Mic: Is there a way to touch stylesheets from DOMi? 00:14:26 <Mic> No, I don't think so 00:14:32 <Mook> DOMI: not usefully; it keeps breaking 00:14:41 <Mook> setting the style attribute is more likely to work 00:15:45 <clokep> Alright, thanks. 00:16:14 <Mic> btw did you use DOMi from AMO? 00:16:58 <clokep> Yes. 00:17:01 <Mic> I'm using a pretty old version + disabled compatibility checking to make it work, maybe I should replace that one day 00:17:10 <Mic> Using the command line switch? 00:17:13 <clokep> I'm on 2.0.8 00:17:14 <clokep> Yes. 00:17:24 <-- clokep_js has quit (Client exited) 00:17:26 <Mic> hmm, I want a menu item. 00:17:30 <Mook> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Notifications says "buddy-added" has a purpleIAccountBuddy subject - that doesn't appear to exist anymore? 00:17:43 <Mic> This page might be outdated 00:17:52 <Mic> since the new buddy list backend landed 00:18:05 <Mook> could be. that's what asking on IRC is for, right? ;) 00:18:19 <Mic> Wait a minute 00:18:37 <clokep> Hmm.... 00:18:55 <Mic> yes, it's no longer existant 00:19:05 <Mic> Removed with this change: https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/bf56c9f22e75 00:19:28 <clokep> It should: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/imContacts.js#474 00:19:28 <Mic> that's an imIAccountBuddy now, clokep? 00:19:32 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Quit: KTHXBYE) 00:19:57 <clokep> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/public/imIContactsService.idl is the applicable interface. 00:20:49 <Mook> thanks 00:21:30 <Mic> need to go to bed 00:21:35 <clokep> 'night 00:21:42 <Mook> night 00:22:20 <clokep> I think I just borked my build. 00:23:41 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 626 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 00:23:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Notifications list on the wiki out of date 00:24:06 <Mic> Will do that tomorrow maybe 00:24:10 <Mic> just not now 00:24:15 <Mic> nn 00:24:19 <clokep> Probably don't want to remove the ones there though. :-\ 00:24:21 <clokep> Bye 00:24:39 <Mic> No, they are valid for 0.2 so they have to stay 00:24:44 <Mook> Mic: oh, http://sprunge.us/fFSI?xml for DOMi 00:24:53 <Mook> (overlay blist.xul or something) 00:25:58 <Mic> oh, thanks 00:26:17 <Mook> you're welcome. I need it anyway :p 00:26:38 <Mook> hmm, the command ids probably should be changed if I want this upstream 00:32:41 <Mic> One more thing (I sound like Steve Jobs :P): 00:33:19 <Mic> clokep, did you ask about the window handles? 00:33:45 <clokep> No, not yet. 00:33:50 <clokep> I'll ask now. 00:34:17 <Mic> Ah, thanks. Good night then 00:34:24 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 00:35:03 <clokep> Mook: Songbird has a "native window handler" component...there's a bunch of things we need to handle "natively" (in particular we want to integrate with a running Skype instance, which requires this on Windows). Is there better documenation of what's available in that class besides the idl? 00:35:06 <clokep> Our bug is bug 583 00:35:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Need binary component to handle "native windows" 00:38:24 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 422 to bug 625. 00:38:25 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 422 on bug 625. 00:38:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=625 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Findbar broken on Windows in Conversation window 00:42:21 <Mook> clokep: no, not really 00:42:39 <Mook> it's just basically "stuff we use to hack in talking with the OS" 00:43:34 <clokep> Alright. 00:44:02 <clokep> I know the... setOnTop we'd be interesting in using. ;) 00:44:26 <clokep> We're looking for some way to send window messages and neither of us have had time to look into do ing it from scratch. 00:58:52 <Mook> hmm. if I closed the server view (of IRC), how do I get it back? 00:59:19 <Mook> the accounts window says I'm still connected, and I can /query myself... 00:59:25 --> Mook_ib has joined #instantbird 00:59:40 <clokep> You mean the sand.mozilla.org window? 00:59:48 <Mook> yeah 00:59:51 <clokep> Why do you need it up? :) 00:59:59 <clokep> You can just /msg stuff if you need to. 01:00:07 <Mook> I.. probably don't, you're right, just felt odd 01:00:12 <Mook> if it's important enough to show once... :p 01:00:26 <clokep> We have an extension that hides it actually. ;) 01:01:16 <clokep> I want that information to go someplace else (into like a server log UI type thing), but...haven't done that obviously. :) 01:03:00 <Mook> heh 01:03:18 <Mook> now to figure out how to create a fake contact, since I've decided flo's way was better UI... :) 01:05:10 <Mook> haha, the default theme is incompatible 01:05:40 <Mook> is there a JS shell like extension developer's extension for firefox? 01:06:19 <clokep> Not that anyone has ever ported. :-\ 01:06:54 <Mook> okay 01:09:16 <-- Mook_ib has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 01:15:51 <Mook> what's the difference between a contact and a buddy? 01:16:24 <clokep> A contact represents a person. 01:16:28 <clokep> So it can contain multiple buddies. 01:16:35 <Mook> ah 01:16:39 <clokep> I.e. I know Bob and talk to him on GTalk sometimes and on AIM other times. 01:17:05 <clokep> And an AccountBuddy connects a Buddy to an Account I believe? And a ConvChatBuddy is a buddy in a chat room. :) 02:03:16 * clokep is now known as clokep_away 02:30:47 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 02:33:41 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 02:56:43 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 04:59:49 <-- Mook has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:15:01 * zz_auscompgeek is now known as auscompgeek 05:17:27 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 05:28:58 --> mepine_ has joined #instantbird 05:31:47 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 05:31:47 * mepine_ is now known as mepine 05:33:04 <-- clokep_away has quit (Ping timeout) 05:33:19 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 05:33:22 <-- rikki1 has quit (Ping timeout) 05:35:00 --> Mook_ib has joined #instantbird 05:45:19 <Mook_ib> because reimplementing things is fun: http://i.imgur.com/cJSrz.png. still need to figure out how to convince it to style things correctly though 05:45:39 <-- Mook_ib has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 05:48:46 <-- zachlr has quit (Quit: ) 06:54:55 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 06:54:55 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 06:58:07 <-- clokep has quit (Connection reset by peer) 06:58:17 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 06:58:17 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 06:58:49 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 07:07:00 <-- ircjimhall has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 07:07:14 --> ircjimhall has joined #instantbird 07:07:31 * auscompgeek is now known as zz_auscompgeek 07:08:08 <-- ircjimhall has left #instantbird () 07:36:12 --> Jan has joined #instantbird 07:37:01 * Jan is now known as IRCMonkey44597 07:39:49 <-- IRCMonkey44597 has quit (Ping timeout) 07:43:03 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 188.8.131.52/2010102600]) 07:47:33 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 08:59:32 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Quit: KTHXBYE) 09:16:43 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 09:17:01 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 09:17:08 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 10:01:02 --> Even2 has joined #instantbird 10:02:14 <-- Even1 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:44:56 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: mepine) 10:45:34 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 10:48:50 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:48:50 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:49:07 <Mic> hello 11:07:20 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 11:18:20 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 11:42:18 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: mepine) 11:52:42 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 12:22:44 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 12:23:05 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 12:46:33 --> flo has joined #instantbird 12:46:33 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 12:46:54 <flo> Hello :) 12:55:20 <hicham> Morning 13:04:24 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 13:07:03 <-- Even2 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:07:08 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 13:49:29 --> Even2 has joined #instantbird 13:51:05 <-- Even1 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:11:09 <instantbot> email@example.com granted review for attachment 421 on bug 622. 14:11:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=622 enh, --, 0.3a1, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, RESO FIXED, Move menu.xul.inc into an overlay 14:17:32 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 14:21:09 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 14:29:23 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 14:30:29 <-- Even2 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:24:44 --> Even2 has joined #instantbird 15:25:23 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 15:25:24 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 15:25:59 <-- Even1 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:27:35 --> Jan has joined #instantbird 15:31:06 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 15:32:20 <-- Even2 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:41:38 <-- Even1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:42:00 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 16:03:57 --> zachlr has joined #instantbird 16:06:12 <zachlr> Hey guys. Since this morning I keep getting a "Software update failed: Please make sure there are no other copies of instantbird running." dialog. I've checked, and it's the only instance running, and I've since restarted windows. 16:08:19 <clokep> zachlr I haven't had any problems, but haven't updated today yet. 16:08:28 <clokep> It's possible that you got a corrupted download file. 16:09:07 <zachlr> clokep, Hmm, must just be me then. I'll try downloading a fresh nightly installer and see if that fixes it. 16:09:23 * clokep is trying the update now. 16:09:43 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 16:09:50 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 16:09:51 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 16:09:59 <clokep> zachlr: I got it too. 16:11:52 <zachlr> Good, that means I didn't break it :P. 16:17:19 <zachlr> clokep, I just installed a new copy from the FTP site. It seems to be working; it says there are no new updates now. 16:17:54 <clokep> Oh OK. I'll just wait until tomorrow. :) 16:18:13 --> flo has joined #instantbird 16:18:13 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 16:35:42 <clokep> Hey flo. :) Posted a patch for one of my graphical flaws, but the other I tried a bunch of different things for and couldn't fix. :-\ 16:36:16 <flo> is there a way to reproduce it without buying Windows7? 16:36:32 <clokep> Uhhh.... 16:36:43 <clokep> Buy Windows Vista? ;) 16:36:50 <clokep> Not sure if it happens on that though. 16:37:10 <clokep> Are we talking about the findbar or the input box? 16:37:47 <flo> aren't they both the same problem? 16:38:44 <clokep> Yes, but the findbar one can be fixed by applying that CSS to /only/ the conversation input box (which is what the patch does). 16:39:01 <flo> yeah, I saw the patch, it looks good. 16:42:55 <clokep> I think by making it inherit it somehow gets -moz-appearance plain or something applied to it? I'm not sure what's going on exactly. CSS isn't my strong suit. 16:48:05 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 16:49:13 <clokep> I think this is the issue we're having: http://markmail.org/message/fyxzm7rcc4aqba2x#query:+page:1+mid:brrzg2a2fixkoiiz+state:results 16:50:37 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev_away 16:53:08 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 17:02:53 <flo> clokep: seems the opposite 17:03:07 <flo> usually when moz-apparence is anything but none, all other CSS attributes are ignored 17:03:28 <flo> what you experience seems (to me) like a bug of the aero native theming 17:04:14 <clokep> Perhaps, is there anything I can try to test it? 17:04:43 <clokep> (Or someone we can ask on IRC/mailing list that might know what's supposed to happen in this case. :)) 17:05:25 <flo> I think the first thing to do would be to create a minimized testcase with a data: url that could be tried in Firefox 17:05:56 <flo> or if it's too complicated for a data: url, a XUL file that can easily be tried in the browser 17:09:37 <clokep> OK. I'll give it a try (essentially just put a textbox in a XUL file, then add the styling we're applying? :)) 17:09:54 <hicham> xulexplorer may help 17:10:09 * clokep has that somewhere... 17:11:18 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 17:14:20 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 17:17:13 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 17:28:14 <clokep> Can I not load local XUL files into Firefox anymore? :-\ 17:36:54 <Mic> I think they only allow to load XUL from chrome now or something 17:37:30 <clokep> Bah OK. 17:43:50 <Mic> http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2010/09/14/add-ons-review-update-17/ 17:44:01 <Mic> "As mentioned before, Remote XUL over HTTP and over the file:// protocol has been disabled by default." 17:48:31 <Mic> Sounds like there could be a switch to enable it, although I haven't found one 17:51:48 <clokep> Mic: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/235281/ 17:53:12 <clokep> And 2 restarts later...it works. 17:57:30 <Mic> Ah, nice 17:57:57 <Mic> Might be useful one day. Sometimes I need the "XUL periodic table".. 17:58:31 <clokep> Yes. :) 18:11:36 <-- micahg has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:11:41 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 18:34:18 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 18:55:04 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 19:09:05 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 19:09:05 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 19:09:13 <-- clokep has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:09:31 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 19:09:31 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 19:13:23 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 19:49:59 <flo> Good evening 19:50:01 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 20:10:49 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 20:12:56 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 20:29:10 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 20:29:11 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 20:46:28 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 20:49:29 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 20:52:31 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 22:40:18 <-- kaie has quit (Quit: Leaving) 22:56:02 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 23:01:30 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 23:59:15 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection reset by peer)