#instantbird log on 11 21 2010

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00:37:05 <hicham> wb Mic
00:37:19 <Mic> hi
00:37:48 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 590 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
00:37:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, CoCreateInstance() FAILED.-spam on error console
00:39:59 <hicham> there is a lot of spam on error console
00:40:20 <hicham> not only that
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00:42:52 <hicham> Mic : why you and clokep aren't on http://www.instantbird.com/about.html
00:43:22 <clokep> hicham: Mic is on http://www.instantbird.com/thanks.html
00:44:36 <hicham> clokep: what about you ?
00:46:59 <Mic> Anyone seeing this CoCreateInstance spam on his console?
00:47:01 <clokep> I haven't contributed much.
00:47:07 <clokep> Mic: No. But I just cleared mine.
00:47:25 <clokep> I'm going a "onBeforeLinkTraversal" one though, anyone getting that?
00:47:33 <Mic> yes, this is annoying too
00:47:43 <Mic> Started a while ago
00:48:32 <Mic> This is the only bug mentioning something close to this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595481
00:48:58 <Mic> Maybe we could depend the Instantbird bug on it?
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00:58:57 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 591 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
00:58:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, this.console.appendItem is not a function
01:00:28 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 592 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
01:00:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, formatURLPref: Couldn't get pref: app.support.baseURL
01:00:30 <Mic> clokep: can you report your error too?
01:00:43 <clokep> Mic: Yes, just trying to get something in the oven.
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01:06:31 <clokep> Mic: Can you send a link?
01:06:50 <Mic> http://www.instantbird.com
01:07:15 <Mic> ah, there it is :)
01:07:26 <clokep> Thanks. :)
01:07:27 <clokep> Yes.
01:07:32 <Mic> Even so there are links galore in this conversation :P
01:07:52 <clokep> I think it occurred when you received it, not clicked on it.
01:08:04 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 593 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
01:08:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, JavaScript component does not have a method named: "onBeforeLinkTraversal"
01:08:09 <Mic> I clicked an older link and it also occured
01:08:20 <clokep> Yes, I just realized it.
01:11:03 <Mic> Can you open the addons manager and observe the error console?
01:11:20 <Mic> There's a mess
01:13:05 <clokep> Mic: I have like 15 - 20 warnings that pop up about extensions.getAddons.cache.enabled
01:14:21 <Mic> Maybe it's a problem of my installation only
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08:41:41 <instantbot> mikk.own.cz@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 548 to WONTFIX.
08:41:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Not properly highlighted rollers
08:41:52 <instantbot> mikk.own.cz@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 553 to WONTFIX.
08:41:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=553 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Broken frame of Message Style roller
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11:24:05 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com set the Resolution field on bug 590 to FIXED.
11:24:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, CoCreateInstance() FAILED.-spam on error console
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12:01:42 <flo> there's a new comment on http://blog.instantbird.org/a18-tabs.html "Can't we just get rid of the title bar like Firefox 4 and like Trillian have done with Trillian 5?"
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12:10:50 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 511 to WORKSFORME.
12:10:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=511 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, VIEW menu
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12:13:33 <hicham> Good Morning
12:13:39 <Andrey> hi
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12:47:49 <Andrey> how send messages by ctrl+enter?
13:12:54 <Mic> Andrey: Ctrl+Enter should insert new lines into the chat box
13:13:08 <Mic> That's why you can't send with Ctrl+Enter
13:15:24 <Mic> Will the look of the Addon manager be extended beyond?
13:15:32 <Mic> Making other parts of Firefox look alike?
13:16:37 <Mic> We could adopt it as well.
13:17:09 <Mic> I know it's just eyecandy, but I'd prefer such a message https://bug601022.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=491020 over the current "No accounts" message on the account manager
13:17:29 <Mic> -message +look
13:23:34 <Andrey> Mic ~ How i can replace Ctrl+Enter (send message) and Enter (add new line)?
13:27:07 <Mic> You can't, it's hardcoded :(
13:28:46 <Andrey> =\
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13:37:09 <Mic> Andrey: are you used to have this other key combination ror how comes that you prefer it?
13:44:14 <Andrey> it habit from qip )
13:44:51 <Andrey> this option was in his settings
13:47:53 <Even> Might be a good idea to think about an extension or a way to replace key settings...
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14:18:41 <flo> an extension can certainly do that :)
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14:27:45 <tymerkaev> flo: is it possible to create separate directory for each OS theme?
14:28:37 <flo> it's possible, but currently I'm not sure it would really help
14:28:58 <flo> or maybe if we ever do it we should keep a "common" folder for all the theme files that are common to all OSes
14:33:58 <tymerkaev> which theme files are "common" for them?
14:34:44 <tymerkaev> ah, yes. sounds, message styles, prpl and smileys
14:35:40 <Mic> Shouldn't sounds be a separate theme anyways?
14:49:09 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 594 filed by tymerkaev@gmail.com.
14:49:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Create separate directory for each OS theme
14:53:01 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 595 filed by tymerkaev@gmail.com.
14:53:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Icons in menus on Linux
14:53:05 <Mic> You could have include the idea to share common files in a "common" folder
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14:54:17 <flo> Mic: aren't sounds already handled like the default message styles?
14:54:25 <Mic> Maybe also why it would be useful to have separate folders (I think it's rather an enhancement request than a "regular issue, [with] some loss of functionality under specific circumstances" (that's what "normal" severity bugs are for)
14:55:13 <Mic> oh, maybe I should better investigate before posting next time? ;)
14:55:44 <flo> tymerkaev: when you file a bug, please explain in the description what the point of the bug is.
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14:56:55 <flo> Mic: I think I would have picked "trivial" rather than enhancement. It doesn't enhance any user-visible thing :-D
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15:04:36 <flo> summary of the changes I've made: http://queze.net/goinfre/required-comments.png
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15:23:40 <Mic> flo: do we have a way to tell if a buddy image/icon has changed
15:24:05 <Mic> I haven't found such an event in imContacts
15:25:13 <Mic> If I want to offer purely graphic status notifications (if an icon is available of course) then I should make sure that image changes don't go unnoticed
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15:57:35 <tymerkaev> flo: why "new account, delete, moveup, movedown and properties" menu items in account manager don't have ids?
16:08:18 <clokep> Good morning.
16:16:29 <clokep> flo bug 593, did you already port that patch?
16:16:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, JavaScript component does not have a method named: "onBeforeLinkTraversal"
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17:36:42 <flo> clokep: no
17:37:55 <flo> tymerkaev: probably because the code didn't need them at the time it was written. Morian may remember. Adding them for usage by add-on/theme authors sounds like a good idea.
17:39:31 <flo> Mic: not yet. attachment 384 in bug 555 has some code for this, but the purplexpcom C++ code wasn't firing these notifications yet, and I don't know yet how the JS protocol plugins will handle buddy icons, so I removed that code before pushing the buddy list js backend
17:39:32 * instantbot frowns at flo
17:39:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555 enh, --, 0.3a1, florian, RESO FIXED, New buddy list backend
17:42:19 <clokep> flo: OK. Maybe I'll look into it? Do we even have a nsBrowserStatusHandler?
17:42:26 <flo> yes
17:42:51 <flo> to handle showing links' urls when hovering them
17:43:07 <clokep> OK.
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17:54:27 <Mic> ok
17:54:50 <Mic> Shall I file a follow up bug for this?
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18:23:33 <Mic> :S
18:24:22 <clokep> ?
18:24:44 <Mic> I can't get the buddyIconFilename the first time as it seems (it's null then) but set on following events
18:27:22 <Mic> Good evening
18:27:37 <clokep> 'night
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19:06:36 <flo> Mic: file a bug if you want (to capture your thoughts at least :)). I'm not sure if the bug should be "rewrite the buddy icon handling to work with JS proto" or "fire notifications for buddy icon changes". I guess it depends on how ambitious you want it to be :)
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20:10:20 <clokep> flo: http://lifehacker.com/5695465/five-best-mobile-instant-messaging-applications
20:10:30 <clokep> Instantbird for Android? ;)
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21:36:52 <flo> clokep: we need someone to design and code it ;)
21:37:01 <flo> we would certainly support such a project
21:37:45 <clokep> flo: Hopefully. :) I remembered you mentioning it. Wasn't sure you were actually working on it or if you had an UI ideas, etc.
21:38:06 <flo> I would like to work on it, but in that case I would need someone for the Desktop version ;)
21:40:43 <clokep> Did you ever decide on the Twitter helper library? (P.S. There might be other better JavaScript ones as well, but that was the only one I found.)
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22:11:36 <flo> clokep: you mean about the discussion we had yesterday?
22:12:06 <flo> I decided I need to talk with glazou before further working on this. (I can read and attempt to understand the oauth code though)
22:15:08 <clokep> flo: Yes the discussion from yesterday. :) Sounds good. Let me know if you have other questions about my code.
22:15:17 <flo> will do! :)
22:15:20 <clokep> Although not sure how much I'll be on this week -- Thanksgiving is Thursday, so I'll be home.
22:15:36 <flo> ok
22:16:08 <flo> it seemed we agree on about everything we discussed related to that topic (except the tabs maybe :-D)
22:18:44 <clokep> The tabs? Oh. No. I've switched over to using 2 spaces now at this point. :) That's OLD code.
22:19:15 <flo> great! :)
22:21:06 <clokep> flo: While I have you hear.  Was working on opening about:support, but it opens as a small window, do I just need to specify a starting size/position?
22:22:49 <flo> I think you can specify that as parameters of the openDialog function
22:23:30 <clokep> OK, is there like a standard size we should use?
22:24:54 <flo> or maybe use the window.moveTo method
22:25:05 <flo> and there's probably a resizeTo method too
22:25:16 <flo> I don't know (for the possible standard size)
22:25:45 <flo> I suspect the best long term solution would be to open it in a "conversation" tab, but our tabbrowser fork currently doesn't support anything but "real" conversations
22:25:52 <clokep> OK. :) I'll check it out. (The window doesn't seem to have a standard size since it's meant for an in-tab?)
22:27:38 <Mic> flo: I think it can be done but it's rather painful and hack-ish
22:28:29 <flo> Mic: If I remember well, our tabbrowser code has some strange expectations about the content of its tabs that we should fix someday
22:29:05 <Mic> I've played with the logviewer and separate tabs and it was definitely not nice :(
22:29:27 <Mic> While we're at it we could add 'app tab' and these things?
22:30:02 <Mic> They could be useful for things you like to keep at hand, e.g. the buddy list
22:32:37 <flo> or chatrooms in the middle of short conversations?
22:33:08 <Mic> I don't understand
22:33:33 <flo> I like to keep #instantbird at hand, and basically never want to close that tab
22:33:44 <flo> it would be just an instantbird icon instead of a "normal" tab
22:33:56 <clokep> Is there any reason for us to fork tabbrowser at all?
22:34:05 <clokep> Couldn't we just load another chrome document in the tabs?
22:34:16 <clokep> I might be very wrong. :)
22:35:48 <flo> clokep: it would be doable. But would make us use 2 documents per conversation instead of one. It would simply some things while it would complicate others
22:36:06 <clokep> Ohhh, true. :) I didn't think of that.
22:36:42 <flo> hmm, we can probably hack around the "2 documents" thing
22:48:28 <Mic> We don't have a Twitter-bug?
22:50:08 <flo> apparently no
22:52:50 <clokep> flo: No, there's an identi.ca one, no Twitter one.
22:53:11 <flo> identi.ca is bug 237
22:53:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237 enh, --, ---, nobody, ASSI, Identi.ca
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23:12:20 <Mic> The webconsole on Fx4 uses tab to cycle through completions (that are inserted as selected text behnd the text cursor)
23:13:20 <Mic> Normal behaviour of TAB is similiar to ours (changing focus in the user interface)
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23:32:58 <flo> Good night! :)
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23:39:44 <hicham> Good Evening Herr Mic :)
23:40:04 <Mic> good evening
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23:48:01 <Mic> good night
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