#instantbird log on 11 14 2010

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12:02:55 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7fdfd34aac57 - Florian Quèze - Fix JS Strict warning caused by missing usernameEmptyText in JS protocol plugins.
12:02:56 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/49b7e15fe25c - Florian Quèze - Fix Windows build bustage caused by the patch in bug 610556.
12:02:57 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/71e29a61de67 - Florian Quèze - Hide the protocol specific options groupbox in the account wizard when a protocol has no option.
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13:11:31 <Mic> Hello
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13:36:26 <Mic> If anyone likes to proofread or comment on a possible status update posting on the blog: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:status_update
13:36:45 <Mic> flo: I could use something for the "next"-section
14:09:54 <flo> I'll probably provide a screenshot of the tabs on mac now
14:14:16 <flo> - Next/pending:
14:14:17 <flo> * Get a new mac build machine and switch mac build to i386/x64 instead of PPC/i386.
14:14:17 <flo> * Land user-visible changes (twitter protocol plugin?) and release a 0.3 alpha 1 version.
14:14:18 <flo> * Release Instantbird, a security and stability update for our current stable release. Include a few additional locales that got ready soon after 0.2 was released.
14:14:23 <flo> (those are just suggestions)
14:15:12 <flo> we had "# Setup a nonprofit to make money matters related to the project transparent, and to be able to accept donations." last time, maybe we can keep that too.
14:18:41 <flo> maybe also add that more people are getting "closely involved" (does that wording make any sense?) with the project and that this blog post is the first that hasn't been written by Florian.
14:19:34 <Mic> What would these stability and security fixes be by the way?
14:21:07 <flo> update to the latest mozilla 1.9.2.*, take a few libpurple fixes (I think they have had one security issue recently, though I'm not completely sure we are affected), and include a few fixes for the most common crashes
14:22:29 <Mic> Would the Twitter protocol be available to Ib 0.2 users as well?
14:25:48 <flo> no
14:26:09 <flo> the js-proto stuff is all new in 0.3a1pre ;)
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14:26:29 <flo> even though I started working on it a long time before releasing 0.2, it was in a branch at the time
14:26:39 <Mic> ok, I didn't remember that
14:26:49 <flo> for, I'm especially interested in http://blog.mozilla.com/rstrong/2010/10/22/important-app-update-changes-on-the-1-9-1-and-1-9-2-branches/
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14:33:55 <Mic> The security fixes are nothing serious then
14:33:58 <Mic> ?
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14:34:24 <Mic> What about the stability issues, could it affect anyone or can I write that people would already know if they were affected? ;)
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14:39:25 <flo> Mic: well... The #1 crash is not yet fixed. And has been in Pidgin for years :(. (It's the oscar crash clokep keep having when putting his laptop to sleep).
14:40:03 <flo> netsoul is crashing a lot in 0.2 and we have fixes for it, but the userbase of netsoul is so small that I don't think it's worth mentioning
14:44:37 <Mic> ok, I added the changes
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14:51:31 <Mic> Do you have an idea about the schedule for alpha/beta/pre/releases of 0.3 btw?
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15:12:12 <flo> I used to have one
15:12:32 <flo> 0.3a1 on october 1st, 0.3a2 on novembre 1st, etc... ;)
15:14:32 <flo> I wanted to release a milestone each month
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16:00:09 * flo has just tried Instantbird 0.2 and Empathy side to side on Ubuntu 10.10
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16:16:16 <Mic> I never tried Empathy, how is it?
16:16:23 <Mic> Are there some interesting features?
16:17:03 <hicham> progressing
16:17:33 <Mic> How did the messaging integration of Empathy work? (ie integration into the messaging menu botton on the Taskbar)
16:18:00 <hicham> you talking about ubuntu ?
16:19:55 <Mic> Yes
16:20:42 <Mic> It was in response to "17:00:09 * flo has just tried Instantbird 0.2 and Empathy side to side on Ubuntu 10.10"
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16:21:31 <hicham> oh
16:21:32 <hicham> I think should have been able to test firetray then
16:21:34 <hicham> at least
16:21:50 <Mic> clokep: would be nice if you could proofread the posting
16:23:15 <Mic> Are you working on messaging integration/tasktray support on Linux?
16:25:54 <hicham> I have tried giving basic systray support through firetray
16:26:06 <hicham> I will need more time to expose more IB functionality through the systray
16:26:18 <hicham> notifications, status ...
16:26:22 <Mic> You might be interested in bug 564, it's about the Ubuntu messaging menu
16:26:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=564 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Integrate into messaging menu on Ubuntu
16:27:02 <hicham> so far so good in here
16:27:03 <hicham> I have sent the patch upstream anyway
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16:40:34 <hicham> Mic : how comes you are thinking about linux integration btw ?
16:42:08 <Mic> Why shouldn't I? ;)
16:42:34 <Mic> The messaging menu seems to be the place where such things should go, it makes sense to have a central place to look for these things
16:43:37 <Mic> .. and other clients support it as well. (Since it makes sense to have it in my opinion, it's ok to call for "feature-parity" ;)
16:43:41 <hicham> the messaging menu isn't mainstream yet
16:44:23 <Mic> Afaik it's installed by default
16:44:34 <Mic> At least it was in my Ubuntu 9.10
16:45:22 <hicham> I thought you don't use Linux from your troll attempts ;)
16:46:57 <Mic> I'm using it every day
16:47:35 <hicham> that is new to me :)
16:47:41 <hicham> what are you using now ?
16:48:56 <Mic> I'm using both Windows and Ubuntu
16:50:10 <hicham> I asked flo to test firetray for me, but it didn't work as he was using Ubuntu 9.10
16:50:11 <Mic> I like that you've got packet management system on Linux, how easy it is to compile things yourself
16:50:19 <hicham> I think it should work on newer releases though
16:50:23 <Mic> I'm on Windows right now
16:50:28 <hicham> ok
16:50:45 <hicham> yes, package management simplifies things a lot in linux
16:50:51 <Mic> I don't like that there's five hundred text editors and other forks, just because someone didn't like the icon set .. :P
16:52:05 <hicham> that is called diversity
16:52:12 <hicham> you can use whatever you want
16:52:12 <hicham> but the kernel is the same
16:52:12 <hicham> binutils+coreutil+gcc is the same
16:52:23 <hicham> what differs is package management, and the patches applied downstream
16:54:07 <Mic> I don't like RMS, he seems to be a zealot
16:54:14 <Mic> I dislike extremsism of any sort
16:55:17 <Mic> (even though I can only judge based on what I've read from him)
16:55:51 <hicham> he eats from his feet ;)
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17:00:32 <Mic> flo: what was the system you were thinking to use for getting user input and ideas?
17:00:36 <Mic> IdeaTorrent?
17:18:53 <DGMurdockIII> mic, what do you think shold be used
17:24:25 <Mic> I just browsed Ubuntus IdeaTorrent, seems to be ok. I have no idea what else is out there and how practical it is when it comes to actual work
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17:29:04 <DGMurdockIII> mic, google moderator issomething else you shold look in to it
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17:35:02 <Mic> I prefer to stay away from Google-run software
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17:36:46 <DGMurdockIII> mic, what about pligg
17:37:42 <Mic> I don't know it (yet)
17:37:48 <Mic> bbl (dinner)
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17:39:07 <iLobster> Greetings
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17:44:01 <iLobster> there are no win32 nightlies from 07.11 - there are big problems in they?
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17:54:06 <DGMurdockIII> there are nightly
17:54:22 <DGMurdockIII> 2(iLobster2): http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/2010/
17:55:20 <DGMurdockIII> 2(iLobster2): http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/2010/11/2010-11-06-11-instantbird/
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17:57:34 <iLobster> I meant that there are no new win32 builds since November 7. Anyway, I found the explanation for buildbot.
17:57:54 <iLobster> *on buildbot
18:06:58 <iLobster> hope today's nightly will be succesfull ^^
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18:34:30 <hicham> evening flo
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22:14:51 <flo> Mic: yes, it was ideaTorrent
22:15:59 <flo> sourceforge can provide it for use if we are too lazy to install it: http://sourceforge.net/apps/ideatorrent/instantbird/ideatorrent/
22:17:51 <flo> Mic: the last time I tried empathy before today (about a year ago), it looked a lot like a draft and was clearly not usable.
22:17:56 <flo> They have made very good progress.
22:19:03 <flo> The version I tried today looked usable, and there are probably some details in it that we should copy (I haven't made a list. I guess I should try it again and file bugs for all the copiable details).
22:19:36 <flo> the integration with the message icon of the system bar seemed useful.
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