#instantbird log on 11 10 2010

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00:02:08 <mepine> Mic: sorry. i just got up. :P
00:03:33 <mepine> it's actually not the same but i talked before. mine is another.
00:04:16 <mepine> does qq for instantbird have any relationship with openq?
00:04:40 <Mic> I have no idea
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00:04:53 <Mic> It's the same as Pidgin has, if that helps
00:05:52 <clokep> Is openq a program or a library?
00:07:06 <mepine> it should be said as a program
00:09:59 * clokep is reading.
00:10:31 <mepine> openq for adium is the best 3rd party tool for qq i've used so far. it can handle captcha.
00:10:49 <clokep> OpenQ is a libpurple plug-in it seems?
00:11:00 <clokep> (Google translate really doesn't work that well. :))
00:11:43 <clokep> Oh....
00:11:49 <clokep> OpenQ is the QQ plugin in Pidgin now.
00:11:59 <clokep> According to http://sourceforge.net/projects/openq/
00:13:05 <hicham> instantbird can use plugins as addons
00:13:26 <mepine> yep. and the qq plugin for adium is also called openq. it's based on openq for pidgin.
00:14:13 <clokep> So they have patches against it? Any that would help us?
00:20:47 <Mic> What does the plugin do? It seems to have some own UI if it can show captchas
00:22:09 <mepine> :-\ not sure. i just put it here so that you can take it if you want any reference. since qq's service is said to be not so friendly to 3rd party, but adium did a pretty good job.
00:22:12 <Mic> Pidgin protocol plugins can be used with Instantbird but anything that uses other parts of Pidgin most likely can't (I'm speaking about things that I know only littel of again, so correct me if I'm wrong;)
00:23:17 <Mic> Instantbot: GTK+
00:23:20 <instantbot> Mic: Sorry, I've no idea what 'GTK+' might be.
00:23:59 * Mic sighs, we definitely should teach him some bad things about gtk+ ;)
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00:24:54 <hicham> Mic : warming up for a troll session :P ?
00:26:19 <Mic> no, not really.
00:27:37 <Mic> Recently I had a nice idea though .. 
00:27:53 <hicham> you can help the purple folks to rewrite it on windows using native WinAPI
00:28:08 <Mic> rewrite what?
00:28:15 <Mic> Pidgin itself?
00:28:45 <hicham> the glib related part of purple
00:32:47 * clokep hates Adium's website.
00:34:10 <Mic> Now here's the outline of the troll attempt: edit war on Wikipedia article about 'Summer', discussion spreads, the blogosphere shakes, people hacking comment after comment into their keyboards;
00:34:32 <Mic> meanwhile the other part of the republic is heading towards lakes and flooded gravel pits (guided by Navigation Apps on their iPhones, ofcourse!) to enjoy the water, cocktails and a nice barbeque, unsuspecting of the serious business that the others are engaged in
00:34:48 <Mic> well, needs some tweaking but it has lots of potential imo :P
00:36:38 <clokep> Bah Idk I can't read the adium source, it's too confusing.
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00:49:07 <clokep> I don't suppose you want to rewrite the QQ plug-in mepine? ;)
00:49:14 <clokep> That'll solve your problems.
00:58:08 <Mic> Good night
01:02:10 <mepine> clokep: i might actually. if the problems aren't got fixed in my busy 4 months maybe. ;-)
01:04:54 <clokep> 'night Mic!
01:05:19 <clokep> mepine: Awesome. :) By that time I'll probably have finished the IRC re-write and they'll be some good sample code. :)
01:06:38 <mepine> clokep: :) let's expect that then. :) i really want to help make this awesome tool better :)
01:07:09 <mepine> so many simles :-\
01:08:25 <clokep> I did file a bug on it though, so if you have any resources about the protocol, etc. you might want to check it out.
01:08:35 <clokep> bug 576
01:08:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Replace QQ with JavaScript protocol
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01:32:29 <mepine> clokep: so far i don't have much either. but i'll post it here when i find any.
01:32:57 <mepine> qq is not so open. and that's why there's few 3rd party im with it.
01:33:55 <mepine> p.s. it can be done with js? that's a thing i'd really like to hear :D
01:34:07 <clokep> It can, kind of be done in JS. ;) We're working on it.
01:34:43 <mepine> i've been away with c/c++ in windows years. and i hate it. :(
01:34:54 <clokep> Mmmm.
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01:36:31 <hicham> clokep: what is the status on adding support to popular social networks ?
01:37:01 <clokep> hicham: I haven't had time to work on any code recently. I have a twitter experiment on my other laptop I've been meaning to upload somewhere.
01:38:14 <hicham> clokep: there are other implementations to look at, yoono, buzzbird ... etc
01:38:51 <clokep> Buzzbird I've used.
01:39:00 <clokep> Part of the problem is that I have no idea how to make the UI for it.
01:39:08 <clokep> Do we want it as a "conversation" type thing or a separate UI.
01:47:43 <clokep> If you're interested in working on it you can feel free to. :)
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08:46:01 <flo> Good morning :)
08:48:50 <mepine> Good afternoon :)
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08:53:21 <Chaz6> G'day
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08:56:55 <flo> clokep: I was planing to start experimenting with twitter relatively soon, so if you have something I should look at before/when starting, please upload it somewhere :).
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09:46:18 <Mic> hi
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10:05:17 * flo is looking at kik messenger
10:18:22 <Mic> "Kik Messenger uses data to send and receive your messages [...]" - ah :D
10:19:27 <flo> that looks revolutionary, it can send messages, and they are received so insanely fast that you have time to be notified that it's sent and then that it's received :)
10:21:20 <Mic> well, to be honest these are things I was always missing with emails. To see if it's there already, or if someone read it, or even to revoke it if I notice that something was wrong and it had not been read yet
10:21:24 <flo> the critic at http://thestir.cafemom.com/entertainment/112166/kik_messenger_i_know_youre makes sense to me. I don't think all users want people to know instantly that their message has been read but not seen as deserving an immediate reply
10:23:43 <flo> I think having a way to know the message has arrived on the other person's machine/phone/terminal is useful, but well... SMS have provided that for as long as I can remember
10:24:41 <flo> moi je regarde kik messenger (http://www.kik.com/)
10:24:46 <flo> il paraît que c'est le nouveau truc cool
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10:28:10 <flo> oops, obviously that arrived in the wrong window :-S
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10:30:13 <Mic1> "The language of your message doesn't match with the conversation. Are you sure you want to send this message [Yes] [No]" ;)
10:32:07 <flo> :)
10:32:48 <flo> I'm not really sure of how I've done that, as it was last 2 messages of 4 messages sent in a row to the same person :-D
10:34:06 <Mic1> A few years ago I had a 56k Modem and it was ok and today I'm disappointed that my download only has 50kB/s 
10:34:42 <Mic1> (I've to admit it's many small files)
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11:09:31 <hicham> Mic1: 50kB/s ? where ?
11:15:59 <Mic1> between two of my computers, via ssh
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12:22:43 <clokep> In the US you can't always tell if an SMS arrived, only certain networks do it and don't give the data to other networks. :(
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12:31:23 * hicham wonders if spicebird uses vanilla purple
12:31:53 <clokep> flo: https://hg.instantbird.org/experiments/file/148985b3be02
12:32:04 <clokep> Some twitter code. Not sure exactly what state it's in though.
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13:28:51 <Mic> We should be able to use completion in both custom and standard ways (example for the first: chat box, second: normal input field with completion)
13:29:56 <skeledrew> +1
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13:39:13 <Mic> Link added to wiki article
13:41:51 <Mic> Even: is it possible to whilelist domains for new links on the Wiki? Right now it even asks when inserting a link to a bug or the repository. (It's annoying but not more, so no hurry)
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14:00:00 <clokep> Mic: I'm not sure what you mean by that.
14:00:05 <clokep> Where else do you want to autocomplete?
14:03:08 <Mic> I don't know yet
14:03:41 <Mic> Maybe on the join chat dialog with a list of channels or on the status field where old statuses could be added to the list and later restored easily
14:04:16 <Mic> Be creative :P
14:06:27 <clokep> I think there's a bug about the join chat dialog sucking?
14:06:44 <Mic> Yes, I think you filed it
14:07:16 <clokep> I get confused what has bugs and what was just discussed sometimes. :)
14:07:26 <clokep> Ah, bug 500. :)
14:07:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve Join Chat menu
14:10:17 <Mic> You wrote that "by querying libpurple for a list" we could get the possible channels
14:10:36 <Mic> Is that based on an actual function or only hoping that libpurple supports that?
14:11:02 <clokep> libpurple supports it.
14:11:08 <clokep> We just never wrapped it.
14:11:15 <clokep> And I think the libpurple function for it sucks.
14:11:28 <Mic> ok, so it's not scriptable yet
14:12:06 <clokep> It might be, but it just stinks? I'm not sure.
14:12:07 <Mic> I really should try to make something scriptable one day ..
14:12:18 <clokep> We should just wrap it in an autocomplete component like you said. :)
14:12:25 <Mic> Yes, that's the idea
14:12:43 <clokep> flo said it's on his list somewhere I think? Just not very high. But I don't remember exactly.
14:12:59 <Mic> It could be pretty easy to whip something up when you have this function and the example component from MDC
14:13:27 <Mic> Maybe that could be a good contributor project as well, something to get started? (if there were only people to pick these things up;)
14:19:37 <Mic> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/roomlist.h#30 , http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libpurple/protocols/irc/irc.c#833
14:20:11 <Mic> I didn't have a closer look, so it might be *anything* related to it
14:21:05 <clokep> Right. I think when flo and I talked about he said something about wanting to wrap the libpurple method before even making an auto-complete component. So we could return sane values so we don't have to do it the same way libpurple does when we do JS stuff?
14:30:16 <Mic> I'd like to keep it as simple as possible, so it's easy to use
14:31:00 <Mic> Hopefully this is not too weird: something like this for opening a chat or a conversation to a buddy of a certain account:
14:31:47 <Mic> <textbox type="autocomplete" autocompletesearch="ib-autocomplete" autocompletesearchparam="type=buddies,rooms;accountid=123456;"/>
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14:32:29 <Mic> you chose what to complete and for which account, the component ib-autocomplete would take that as sources and compile the results
14:33:07 <Mic> Not using different "autocompletesearch"s here since it would require different components for it and you wouldn't be able to merge results of different sources
14:34:37 <clokep> Hmm...interesting.
14:36:59 <Mic> It might take a json thing with more details though to get it right
14:38:24 <Mic> Sorry, it's all really vague at the moment
14:38:47 <Mic> Maybe flo could help to flesh it out one day
14:39:10 <clokep> Maybe. He's MIA though. :)
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14:48:14 <Mic> yep
14:49:18 <Mic> The tooltip on the participant list is a good idea btw (I think flo suggested that on the IRC UI bug)
14:49:32 <Mic> What do you think about making this list resemble to buddy list more closely?
14:50:24 <Mic> Animations for sign on and off
14:51:05 <Mic> hmm, another idea: include the participants list into the buddy list as separate groups for each channel
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15:32:08 <clokep> Mic: I think animations would be OK. Yeah I gave a bad example of whois.
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16:05:30 <clokep> flo: You see the code I Uploaded? Not sure if it's useful.
16:06:30 <flo> clokep: thanks for uploading it anyway :)
16:06:44 <flo> I've looked very quickly (mostly at the directory structure) with my phone about an hour ago :)
16:08:24 <clokep> Hahah. The directory structure doesn't say too much. :) Most likely you'll wan to start from scratch, but it does have some implementation that works. ;)
16:09:11 <flo> there's also the readme :)
16:09:24 <flo> (that I've read)
16:16:47 <clokep> Yeah I just wrote that super quick and figured you could find me on IRC/email if you had more questions.
16:34:57 <flo> of course :)
16:35:50 <clokep> I mean it "works" although I never took it any farther because I wasn't sure what to do w/ the UI. :-\
16:48:54 <flo> I'm not sure about that pref you need to change
16:49:01 <flo> why is it needed?
16:49:32 <clokep> So that the log in window that the oauthorizer extension pops up captures it's own links.
16:49:50 <clokep> Otherwise they try to open in Fx (for me) and Instantbird can't capture the callback.
16:51:04 <clokep> I'll be back in a few minutes.
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16:54:56 <flo> I'll be offline for a few hours
16:54:58 <flo> back later :)
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22:03:06 <DGMurdockIII> update.instantbird.org : server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555 are you shure this is not a problem with the server
22:03:58 <DGMurdockIII> the server operator needs to upgrade their software
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22:04:27 <DGMurdockIII> to a version that supports RFC 5746 ...
22:04:44 <DGMurdockIII> rhat what was said in the #developers channel
22:05:53 <DGMurdockIII> hello
22:07:27 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): you see the info i just posted
22:07:55 <DGMurdockIII> that depends on the encryption software the server is running
22:08:33 <DGMurdockIII> http://serverfault.com/questions/159301/potentially-vulnerable-to-cve-2009-3555
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22:28:46 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: we know that there is this issue, we even have a bug report about it as bug 487
22:28:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Updates throw info message (RFC 5746 -- SSL/TLS) in Instantbird
22:30:48 <DGMurdockIII> yes but its more than just that
22:31:03 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Mic2): you know it a bigger problem that just that
22:31:03 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Mic|away2): you know it a bigger problem that just that
22:31:03 <DGMurdockIII> 2(micahg2): you know it a bigger problem that just that
22:31:33 <Mic> You can add several names before the same line by the way ;)
22:32:08 <flo> and get kicked out for annoying people unnecessarily ;)
22:32:57 * micahg is still waiting to be pinged for real :)
22:33:57 <Mic> "[...] does not properly associate renegotiation handshakes with an existing connection, which allows man-in-the-middle attackers to insert data into HTTPS sessions, and possibly other types of sessions protected by TLS or SSL, by sending an unauthenticated request that is processed retroactively by a server in a post-renegotiation context, related to a "plaintext injection" attack [...]"
22:34:14 <Mic> can anyone be bothered to translate this into something I understand? ;)
22:36:08 <clokep> "It's bad."
22:37:49 * flo translates that to "upgrade openssl or apache or both" --> assign the bug to Even ;)
22:41:00 <DGMurdockIII> flo, that what i was trying to say
22:41:14 <DGMurdockIII> a server update
22:42:22 <Mic> Thanks
22:42:34 <Mic> I was struggling with his email adress :D
22:42:53 <Mic> *with finding
22:52:02 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 579 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
22:52:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show whois information on tooltip for IRC buddies
22:52:24 <clokep> I don't suppose you CC'd me on that?
22:53:03 <Mic> Ah, ok. I've added you now.
22:53:15 <clokep> I was about to mid-air you with it. ;)
22:53:27 <clokep> I have to run. I'll look at itlater.
22:53:31 <Mic> bye
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23:30:10 <hicham> evening Monsieur flo
23:30:28 <flo> hicham: good evening :)
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23:50:30 <hicham> flo : spicebird is using purple too
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23:56:09 <flo> hicham: directly?
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23:56:20 <flo> last time I checked it seemed they were using telepathy-haze
23:56:38 <hicham> flo : I think they still do
23:57:11 <hicham> flo : I wonder how they avoided the gettext issue
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23:58:05 <flo> hicham: you don't need to care about gettext if en-US only is enough
23:58:19 <flo> they have an "Other Systems and Languages" link on their homepage
23:58:39 <flo> but the linked page only offers en-US donwloads
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