#instantbird log on 11 09 2010

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02:25:16 <mepine> guys, qq account for u: 1437233241/instantbird4u
02:25:49 <clokep> Thanks mepine, I'm sure flo will appreciate it. :)
02:26:07 <mepine> clokep: np :) it's easy for me
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03:01:18 <mepine> p.s. which port of this channel is for ssl?
03:01:42 <clokep> Uhh....
03:01:54 <clokep> http://irc.mozilla.org/ has the info...
03:02:06 <clokep> "If your IRC client supports SSL, you can connect to irc.mozilla.org on port 6697 with SSL enabled."
03:02:17 <mepine> ok. thanks!
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11:01:08 <Mic> hi
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11:10:24 <Mic> /hop Mic
11:10:26 <Mic> hmm ..
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11:12:49 <hicham> hi Mic
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11:14:54 <Mic> hello
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11:51:53 <flo> hello :)
11:54:32 <hicham> hi
11:56:35 <mepine> good evening
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13:03:45 <iLobster> Greetings =)
13:04:47 <tymerkaev> hello
13:25:01 <Mic> hello
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15:16:01 <hicham> why IRC functionality is limited in instantbird ?
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15:26:53 <iLobster> dunno
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17:06:11 <clokep> hicham: What issue are you having w/ IRC?
17:06:47 <hicham> clokep : no nick completion, no contextual menu for users
17:07:01 <clokep> We have bugs for both of those.
17:07:17 <hicham> thanks
17:08:57 <Mic> ahem, yes. The completion ..
17:10:17 <clokep> Mic: Is that your bug? I can't find it.
17:10:59 <Mic> It was one of the first things I wanted to contribute .. 
17:11:13 <Mic> hmm, let me see. We have some things on the wiki atleast
17:11:21 <Mic> Look for the brainstorming articles there
17:11:36 <clokep> bug 205 is the nick completion one.
17:11:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, IRC tab to insert Screen name in room
17:12:04 <Mic> Maybe we should change the summary
17:12:07 * clokep is trying to remember if he filed a bug about context menus or not.
17:12:11 <Mic> I guess this feature won't be IRC-only
17:12:31 <Mic> Isn't that covered by the enhance UI bugs and this sort of things?
17:12:40 <clokep> Yes, I'm gonna file a specific one about context menus. :)
17:12:49 * clokep doesn't like losing ideas.
17:13:00 <Mic> Ok, then you might make the other into a tracking bug maybe
17:13:22 <Mic> Oh, we have one about improving the conversation window btw
17:13:34 <clokep> Oh, maybe that's it?
17:13:38 <clokep> Do you have a #?
17:13:52 <Mic> bug 219 maybe
17:13:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [meta] Enhance the conversation window
17:14:12 <clokep> I changed the title of that other one.
17:14:47 <Mic> ok
17:15:11 <Mic> Away for dinner now, bbl
17:15:34 <clokep> Bye!
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18:06:33 <Mic> bug 451
18:06:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Participants Need Context Menu
18:07:43 <clokep> Thanks Mic. :)
18:07:48 <clokep> I filed it and couldn't find it hahah.
18:09:50 <clokep> Mid-aired me. ;)
18:11:20 <Mic> If you like to add completion just go ahead, that's ways better than me doing nothing at the moment ;)
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18:11:54 <Mic> Things I'm interested in are shared as search named "Mic: WIP and TODO" on Bugzilla by the way
18:12:04 <clokep> Yes, I've checked it out.
18:12:17 <clokep> I don't personally want to add completion. I mean I do....but not enough to code it. :)
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18:13:04 <zachlr> completion?  sorry, I just got here, it sounds interesting though.
18:13:23 <Mic> Yes, completing nicknames (among other things)
18:13:48 <zachlr> Ah, for chatrooms and the like.  That would be useful.
18:13:55 <Mic> Soem thoughts: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Brainstorm:completion
18:15:37 <clokep> There's also a bug (bug 205) about it. ;)
18:15:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Auto-complete nicknames in multi-user chats (MUCs)
18:15:46 <Mic> I'm not sure how to do these things best
18:15:58 <zachlr> I wasn't aware that it had been implimented at all.
18:16:24 <Mic> It's not .. that's still pre-planning phase ;)
18:16:29 <zachlr> You say use smart tags to indicate a completion has taken place.  What do you mean by that?
18:16:31 <zachlr> ah, I see
18:16:58 <Mic> e.g. I think at the beginning of the conversation chat box you might want to prefer nicknames while at other places you might prefer different things
18:17:15 <Mic> So I guess you might want a sort of weight for different sources ..
18:17:27 <zachlr> Ah, that makes sense
18:17:31 <Mic> Lot's of mights and wants :D
18:17:39 <clokep> Sounds complicated. :)
18:17:47 <zachlr> Not really.
18:18:24 <zachlr> if the user tries to auto-complete a word that is beggining the text entry, search for nicknames first, for example
18:18:56 <Mic> It should be extensible so that you could add other sources (compare adding textmodifiers)
18:19:30 <zachlr> do you mean like formatting options?
18:19:40 <clokep> zachlr: It's easy to understand, I think it'd be complicated to code. :)
18:20:03 <zachlr> clokep, that's very true.
18:20:35 <Mic> Maybe it's not that difficult to do after all (onec you know what you want to do:P)
18:21:10 <Mic> Should be asynchronous so that we don't block anything..
18:21:35 <zachlr> additionally, I think once something is auto-completed, backspacing should delete the whole word.  That would help you correct a mistaken auto-completeion.
18:21:43 <Mic> Let me add some thoughts to the wiki
18:22:15 <Mic> Good idea, but only if you start to backspace at the end of the name/word
18:23:07 <zachlr> good catch
18:23:18 <Mic> well, but that's the actual 'user interface' for it
18:23:22 <clokep> And only if you haven't typed something else yet.
18:23:29 <Mic> good point
18:24:06 <zachlr> e.g. only if a backspace follows an auto completetion.  an "undo" button, if you will.
18:24:37 <clokep> The way I see it...it should just be like auto-complete in a IDE.
18:24:58 <Mic> ctrl-space? :P
18:25:05 <zachlr> I was thinking more like an auto complete in IRC.
18:25:15 <clokep> Aren't they the same? ;)
18:25:28 <Mic> Tab is cycling through different parts of the window at the moment
18:25:48 <Mic> Alt-Tab is taken by the OS, Ctrl-Tab by the tabs
18:25:58 <zachlr> clokep, not quite.  it depends on what irc or ide you're using though.
18:26:11 <Mic> Shift only inverts direction, that doesn't leave many combinations with the tab key :(
18:26:19 <Mic> *reverses
18:26:36 <clokep> I think tab cycling through could be changed/
18:26:41 <zachlr> I agree
18:27:03 <zachlr> I think auto complete is much more useful.
18:27:56 <clokep> zachlr: I know it varies based on the IDE, but it's the same idea (whether it's tab or ctrl+space or whatever). Personally I really like the drop down that pops up in IDEs to show you the next few options instead of just the current one...
18:28:33 <zachlr> clokep, I was thinking, you type the first few letters, hit tab, if only one word could result, then complete it, if there are multiple words that match the criteria, then display a selection.  subsequent tabs will cycle through, and enter completes.
18:29:03 <clokep> I agree exactly, isn't that how IDEs work for the most part? ;)
18:29:19 <zachlr> yeah, I guess you're right.
18:29:52 <Mic> Another idea: the completed part could be added as selected text behind the cursor, so you overwrite it when typing on or accept pressing enter
18:30:12 <zachlr> I would say also, display more likely (preferred) items at the top before sorting alphabetically.
18:30:15 <Mic> ( https://wiki.instantbird.org/Brainstorm:completion#Possible_keys )
18:30:44 <Mic> yes
18:30:46 <zachlr> Mic, that wouldn't allow for more than one item though.
18:30:51 <clokep> Mic: That way of completion is OK too, I just like the drop down so I can see how many I need to go through (and it lets you use the arrow keys?)
18:31:23 <zachlr> I agree with clokep here.
18:31:43 <Mic> Making a useful UI for it is not an easy thing
18:32:13 <Mic> What about ctrl-alt-shift-tab?
18:32:37 <zachlr> by the time I get all of those pressed I could have typed the whole word three times
18:33:13 <Mic> I'm using ctrl-alt-shift-w as hotkey to bring up my media player, works pretty fine for me :D
18:33:43 <clokep> :)
18:33:51 <clokep> I just do Function + arrow keys for that Mic!
18:34:03 <Mic> I mean that's not so different from doing a crouch-jump while moving and shooting in some games :D
18:34:25 <zachlr> It would work.  Perhaps we could let the user decide?
18:34:55 <clokep> Regardless of what UI we use...I think it should be implemented soon. :-\
18:35:03 <Mic> It's open source, so we should add a command line parameter for it as well! :P
18:35:04 * clokep realizes no one has come and complained about tray support recently.
18:35:06 <Mic> scnr
18:35:51 <Mic> --enable-completion-on-ctrl-alt-shift-tab
18:36:05 <zachlr> I actually came here to ask about the option "Advanced > General > Search for text as I type"  Not sure what it does
18:36:28 <Mic> Ok, focus the conversation part and start typing
18:36:39 <zachlr> ah, I see
18:37:05 <Mic> It either goes to the chat box and enters it as new message ("Search as I type" is disabled) or starts searching for the text on the conversation (option is enabled)
18:37:19 <zachlr> that makes sense
18:37:42 <zachlr> You can still use ctrl+f when it's disabled, right?
18:37:46 <Mic> Sure
18:38:10 <zachlr> Okay, I'll keep that turned off then.
18:38:56 <Mic> I don't need it either, it's not that I'm looking for things in the conversation anyways
18:39:18 <Mic> Chatting is a rather linear thing
18:39:20 <clokep> Yeah I have it off.
18:39:37 <Mic> It's not like on a webpage where you're looking for things most of the time
18:39:56 <zachlr> Yeah, I'm generally only looking for something specific in a log.  I can usually remember what happened in the immidiate conversation. :)
18:42:27 <clokep> Wish I had more time to work on this stuff now...
18:43:11 <zachlr> I was just playing around with IDE auto-completion. Eventually it might be useful to display icons according to the type of word (nickname, channel name, etc).
18:43:32 <clokep> Oh, that's a good idea. :)
18:43:39 <clokep> Put that in that bug!
18:43:43 <clokep> Or the wiki page.
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18:49:32 <clokep> Be back soon.
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18:54:50 <Mic> I can put it on the wiki if you like
18:55:37 <zachlr> Sure.
18:55:53 <Mic> Done.
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18:56:26 <zachlr> excellent
18:56:42 <zachlr> I'm really looking forward to this.
18:58:28 <Mic> I'm away again, have a nice evening
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20:58:43 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 578 filed by benjaminjohnson80@gmail.com.
20:58:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, QQ - Hangs when trying to get Captcha from server
21:00:18 <Mic> mepine, is that the QQ bug you recently talked about?
21:02:38 <Mic> bbl
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21:44:47 <Cww> are you guys using sumobot?
21:47:02 <Cww> I'm going to pull sumobot.  Ping me with a reason if you want it to join this channel again
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23:34:36 <clokep> Yay we got rid of sumobot. :)
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23:44:09 <Mic> hehe
23:45:07 <Mic> Sumobot was qui[et|te] ok, though ;)
23:45:38 <Mic> ie he never annoyed me in anyway ;)
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23:52:54 <Morian> he may have had an argument with instantbot ...
23:53:50 <hicham> instantbot: what happened ?
23:53:53 <instantbot> hicham: Sorry, I've no idea what 'what happened' might be.
23:54:54 <Morian> obviously he doesn't want to talk about it :(
23:54:58 <Morian> instantbot: does it hurt?
23:55:01 <instantbot> Morian: Sorry, I've no idea what 'does it hurt' might be.
23:55:10 <Morian> yeah clearly :(