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00:03:04 <flo> Mic: do you have time to look at it now? 00:03:15 <Mic> I'm already at it 00:03:28 <Mic> A nice diversion from writing my thesis ;) 00:03:38 <flo> ahah 00:03:48 * flo is sorry :-| 00:04:02 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 00:05:04 <Mic> I chose to, so need to be sorry ;) 00:05:32 <flo> I know. But I gave a temptation ;). 00:11:51 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:14:00 <flo> clokep: hello :) 00:14:01 <-- Mic has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:14:20 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 00:14:32 <clokep> Hey flo, how's it going? 00:14:57 <flo> Well, I think I've finished the rewrite of the buddy list animations using CSS transitions :) 00:15:17 <clokep> Congrats. :) Perf improvement? 00:16:23 <clokep> Mic thanks for filing bugs I just allude to. :0 00:16:31 <flo> I haven't mesured (yet?) 00:16:39 <flo> but I think it will be smoother 00:17:51 <clokep> :) 00:18:00 <clokep> Best way to check would be to get a terrible old machine, eh? 00:18:16 <Mic> Removing the contact before collapsing is ok? (ie the list item will keep its height so it can be animated to collapse?) 00:18:22 <flo> I think on a slow machine it would just skip frames instead of animating 00:18:46 <flo> what do you mean by "removing the contact"? 00:19:30 <Mic> Calling "finishRemoveNode" which contains removeContact (whatever this method does exactly) 00:19:37 <flo> clokep: the tegra hardware we had on Windows CE was perfect to play the "old" machine :) 00:19:52 <Mic> That's on line .. (give me a minute) 00:20:20 <flo> this.group.removeContact(this);? 00:21:15 <Mic> The call from within _transitionend is made before the collapse (is that as it should be?) 00:21:19 <flo> this makes the group binding forget the existence of the buddy binding (= if the contact signs back on, it's too late to add it back here, another buddy element will need to be added to the list) 00:22:20 <flo> yes, I think it's correct, and it's what it used to be. It just means that the animation can be canceled while it's in the fading out phase, but not in the collapsing phase. 00:22:33 <Mic> well, ok. I just wondered. 00:23:23 <flo> I admit this part is confusing :) 00:24:14 <flo> let's just hope the next iteration of buddy list improvement will somehow simplify/clarify this :) 00:29:22 <Mic> On line 126 of blist.css: the collapsing states are intentionally grouped with "buddy:not([state])" and set to 0? 00:31:33 <flo> yes, I grouped all the cases that need a 0 height 00:32:06 <flo> buddy:not([state]) (before initializing the binding) needs to have height: 0 so that the value change before the transition begins 00:32:12 <Mic> I think it might be clearer to move the target value for the two collapsing states a few lines lower to where the animation is decleared 00:33:20 <flo> and then the 0 closer to the "showing" transition? 00:34:13 <flo> *the other 0 00:34:14 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/453 00:34:58 <flo> ok :) 00:35:19 <Mic> hmm, yes. Might be a good idea to change the places of showing and collapsing, so that the undefined state and the showing state are next to each other 00:35:27 <flo> by the way, I think I'll move all the transitions code to the content/blist.css file, as these are not part of the theme and the application doesn't work without these rules 00:36:00 <Mic> Would also match the comment closer, btw (order ...) 00:36:18 <flo> yes :) 00:36:26 <flo> and the logical order 00:36:47 <Mic> Yes, currently the animations are required, otherwise we'll end up waiting forever for buddies to be removed 00:37:52 * clokep is now known as clokep_food 00:38:15 <Mic> I guess you can't do it differently if you don't want to add a timeout when animations must have finished (which would be ugly in my opinion) 00:38:20 <Mic> Looks good :) 00:40:24 <flo> ok, thanks for looking! :) 00:40:37 * flo will fix the order and move the css rules to the other file and commit :) 00:42:42 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com granted review for attachment 395 on bug 504. 00:42:43 * Mic just wrote a review comment ;) 00:42:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use CSS3 00:43:13 <Mic> hehe, I always wanted to do that ;) 00:45:25 <clokep_food> Mic: That was my reaction last week. :) 00:46:02 <flo> hehe :) 00:46:07 <flo> congrats to both of you :) 00:55:06 --> Mic1 has joined #instantbird 00:56:21 <flo> Which of Mic Mic1 and Mic|away are identified with nickserv? 00:56:34 <Mic1> Mic|away 00:56:38 * clokep_food is now known as clokep 00:56:49 <-- Mic has quit (NickServ (GHOST command used by Mic1)) 00:57:41 * clokep is now known as IRCMonkey50063 00:57:48 <Mic1> lol 00:57:51 * Mic1 is now known as Mic 00:58:01 <Mic> and Mic 00:58:09 <IRCMonkey50063> Apparently clokep_food is not known to nickserv. :( 00:58:20 * IRCMonkey50063 is now known as clokep_ 00:58:21 <Mic> Seems so.. ;) 00:58:36 <Mic> Mic and Mic|away are also protected 00:58:53 <clokep_> I have all mine grouped together on the nickesrv. 00:59:13 <Mic> yes, that's how I did it 01:01:21 * clokep_ is now known as clokep 01:01:36 <clokep> But yes I want a way to be able to reidentify. 01:03:06 <flo> if I'm not using a different profile/buddy list, the test that used to freeze my debug build for 2s (and the optimized build for 300ms) now only takes 600ms on the debug build 01:04:14 <clokep> So it sohuld take 90 ms optimized? ;) 01:04:54 <flo> <100ms is not a freeze :) 01:10:51 <Mic> Sounds like a great improvement :) 01:11:00 <Mic> How many buddies do you have in that list? 01:12:22 <flo> about 300 01:12:34 * Mic really likes the hand drawn sketches in his thesis but I guess I need to replace them with 'serious looking images' :S 01:14:14 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e50e70653d48 - Florian Quèze - Bug 504 - Use CSS3 - reimplement the buddy list animations using CSS transitions, r=Mic. 01:14:17 <Mic> Good enough for now 01:14:23 <Mic> Commiting my work and off to bed 01:14:40 <Mic> :D 01:14:40 <flo> Good night 01:14:50 <clokep> 'night. 01:17:48 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 01:50:27 <-- Orn has quit (Quit: KTHXBYE) 02:04:02 --> mchaincn has joined #instantbird 02:04:21 <-- mchaincn has left #instantbird () 02:19:32 <flo> Good night (I really need to sleep :-D) 02:19:40 <clokep> 'night! 02:27:22 <-- Even1 has quit (Ping timeout) 02:35:30 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 03:09:01 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 03:09:11 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 03:09:11 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 03:09:33 <clokep> +h? When did that happen? 03:17:59 <clokep> Just got around to reading the logs now. 03:18:25 <clokep> Mic: PASS doesn't not require services and has nothign to do w/ nickserv/chanserv AFAIK. 03:18:44 <clokep> The PASS command is a "connection password" (i.e. it allows someone to connect to the server.) 03:19:13 <clokep> And bug 162 I've thought of a few different ways to handle. Some IRC specific, some not. 03:19:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Send password to IRC servers known to use bots for authentification 03:22:18 <Morian> oh a friend +h 03:27:22 <clokep> Replied in bug Mic. :) 04:06:28 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 04:37:33 --> tymerkaev_away has joined #instantbird 04:37:55 <-- tymerkaev_away has quit (Quit: I must go. Good bye!) 04:38:09 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 04:55:37 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 06:09:01 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 06:55:24 <flo> clokep: I added Mic and you to the HOP list on ChanServ when I said "congrats to both of you :)" after you pointed out both of you were reviewers now :). 06:58:53 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 07:04:51 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 07:09:33 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 09:14:56 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:14:57 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:52:14 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 10:02:28 <-- Mic|away has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 10:02:38 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:02:57 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 10:03:05 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:03:05 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:03:22 <Mic> Ah, half op:) 10:03:27 <Mic> Going to use it wisely ;) 10:36:54 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 11:00:28 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 11:02:15 <Mic> Hello mepine 11:02:44 <mepine> Mic: hello. hooo. so warm welcome ;) 11:03:12 <Mic> It's nice to be nice ;) 11:03:36 <mepine> yah. 11:04:02 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: mepine) 11:06:04 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 11:07:03 <-- rikki has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 11:07:25 <Mic> If you have any question, suggestion or bug reports, just go ahead 11:12:53 <Mic> And if nobody answers than it is not out of malice but only means that currently noone is active here. Just wait and check back later then. 11:12:58 * Mic is off to lab now. 11:13:25 <mepine> thanks Mic :) 11:14:11 <Mic> well, it's a common problem: people coming in here, asking, getting no response, leaving three minutes later. Too bad, if they would have waited someone would gladly have answered ;) 11:15:38 <mepine> yep. i'll stay here for a very long time~ but maybe few questions, unless when i'm using qq :P 11:34:36 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 11:47:58 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 12:00:26 <mepine> think it's good to add the "offline buddy control" in the preferences. 12:02:18 --> flo has joined #instantbird 12:02:18 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 12:10:20 <-- mepine has quit (Quit: mepine) 12:13:10 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 12:42:31 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 12:42:31 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 13:00:15 * flo would like the next version of the IRC plugin to hide the uninteresting mode lines and merge them with the "entered the room" ones. :) 13:06:07 <tymerkaev> we have new halfops? 13:08:47 <clokep> Yes, thanks flo. 13:09:12 <clokep> :) 13:32:34 * flo will be back in about an hour 13:32:41 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 13:40:38 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 13:45:16 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 13:54:37 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:54:37 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 14:15:30 --> mepine has joined #instantbird 14:22:09 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 14:25:28 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 14:37:38 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 15:02:17 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 15:02:59 <mepine> so here is a problem. it doesn't work well with qq in windows. all contact names aren't shown, they are all "NULL"... 15:08:36 --> kaie2 has joined #instantbird 15:09:07 <clokep> mepine: What version are you using? 15:09:24 <mepine> clokep: 0.2 on winows xp. 15:09:31 <mepine> mac version is fine 15:10:09 <clokep> mepine: I believe a ton of changes were made to qq for 0.3pre (the nightlies), but I'm not sure (I don't use qq). 15:10:17 <clokep> Strange that there's a difference between mac and windows. 15:10:22 <clokep> Are there errors in the error console? 15:10:49 <-- kaie has quit (Ping timeout) 15:10:50 * kaie2 is now known as kaie 15:10:58 <mepine> pretty hard to start my vmware though :-\ 15:11:46 <clokep> Well next time you get around to it. :) 15:12:14 <mepine> already opening :) 15:17:53 <mepine> ok. now it cannot connect to the server successfully. here is the errow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/528201/ 15:18:50 <clokep> Sorry, I've no idea. flo might know, could certainly try updating to 0.3 though. 15:19:01 <hicham> mepine: are you on linux ? 15:20:34 <mepine> p.s. where can i get the nightly builds? 15:21:29 <clokep> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/2010/11/2010-11-08-04-instantbird/ has newest Lin & mac. 15:21:39 <clokep> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/2010/11/2010-11-07-04-instantbird/ has newest Win 15:22:03 <mepine> hicham: nop. i'm on mac. 15:23:41 <mepine> hicham: mainly i'm on mac. but the errors is from windows. i just used ubuntu pastebin P 15:25:15 <clokep> We have a pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org ;) 15:25:45 <mepine> thanks :) 15:27:22 <mepine> you know guys, i really want to help to make this tool better. this is the only one good im tool on win/linux because it supports so many protocols & addons so friendly. 15:28:02 <clokep> :) 15:30:56 <hicham> send a gift to the devs then ;) 15:32:05 <clokep> Also mepine, do you have any extensions installed? 15:32:10 <clokep> That might interfere? 15:32:43 <mepine> clokep: nop. my friend told me she met the problem and i just got it downloaded and installed. 15:32:55 <mepine> all are the default settings. 15:33:33 <mepine> p.s. isn't there a page for nightly builds? i remember there was, wasn't it? before the 0.2 was launched. 15:34:30 --> flo has joined #instantbird 15:34:30 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 15:34:43 <flo> that was a loooong hour ;) 15:34:46 <clokep> There is a better link, but it points to the wrong location right now. 15:35:07 <clokep> Hey flo, mepine is having some issues with qq, I have no experience w/ it, do you? 15:35:21 <flo> no :( 15:35:50 <clokep> But there were major updates from .2 to .3? 15:35:56 <hicham> wb Monsieur flo 15:36:23 <flo> it's all in Chinese, there's a way to create an account from an English page, but then it needs to be validated (with something in Chinese I can't do) or it gets disabled a few minutes later 15:36:35 <flo> so all the QQ accounts I've ever had were disposable 15:36:57 * clokep thinks we need someone Chinese to donate us an account. :) 15:37:15 <flo> we need at least two to test that it works 15:37:39 <clokep> I know a bunch of people that are from China here at school actually. 15:38:09 <clokep> If you have the page / usernames / etc. I could possibly get them to do it? 15:38:09 <mepine> it stops at "requesting captcha..." 15:38:24 <mepine> while no error outputs 15:38:54 <clokep> I'll be back in a bit. 15:38:57 * clokep is now known as clokep_away 15:39:52 <mepine> the new 0.3a1pre 15:40:34 --> ron has joined #instantbird 15:41:33 <flo> the captcha thing may be after logging in several times too quickly 15:41:42 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 15:41:51 <mepine> i can apply you guys a qq account 15:42:03 <-- Andrey has quit (Ping timeout) 15:44:12 <flo> mepine: so your problem was you see "(NULL)" in lots of places on Windows only? 15:44:34 <mepine> flo: yep 15:44:43 <flo> which windows was it? 15:45:09 <flo> you said XP, was it an us XP or a Chinese one? Which service pack was installed if any? 15:45:36 <mepine> let me check 15:45:57 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Ping timeout) 15:46:35 <flo> I seem to remember these "(NULL)" appear when the codepage needed for a charset conversion of some incoming text was missing. 15:46:43 <mepine> windows xp pro, sp2 15:47:24 <mepine> i believe it's because of the charset, since there's no problem on mac. 15:47:48 <mepine> my friend has the windows 7, also has this problem. 15:48:05 <flo> ah 15:48:11 <clokep_away> There's a way to install extra code pages I believe? 15:48:14 <flo> probably not a missing update then 15:48:38 <flo> is your Windows in English or in Chinese? 15:50:55 <flo> I think the interesting charset here is GB18030 15:52:29 <mepine> in Chinese. 15:54:31 <flo> ok, I'm out of ideas :( 15:54:34 <flo> sorry 15:55:01 <mepine> for Simplified Chinese, it's GB2312 I think. 15:55:46 <clokep_away> Maybe getting a couple of qq accounts to test w/ would be good then flo? ;) 15:56:13 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libraries/glib/win_iconv.c#574 it seems there are two "Simplified Chinese" 15:56:37 <flo> a look at the qq plugin code shows GB18030 is used 15:57:33 <clokep_away> Would it be better to use Mozilla conversation stuff? :-\ 15:57:48 <flo> clokep_away: it would be interesting especially when upgrading libpurple 15:57:58 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 15:58:13 <flo> I usually connect an account or two of most protocols to check that it's not broken before pushing the upgrade for the next nightly :) 15:58:15 <clokep_away> "interesting" isn't really an answer. ;) 15:59:56 <mepine> 2 "Simplified Chinese" is because Singapore uses it too, but with a little difference. 16:00:56 <mepine> i'll provide a qq account tomorrow. now it blocks my ip for reg... 16:01:08 <flo> clokep_away: once we have the accounts, a volunteer to make a JS implementation would be great :) 16:01:45 <clokep_away> flo: Can't I finish IRC before we start putting other things on my plate? ;) 16:02:04 <clokep_away> And I want to do XMPP....with the ability to enable individual XEPs. 16:02:23 <clokep_away> But sure, at that point I should be able to whip them out in a weekend. :P 16:02:34 <flo> if you want to put it on your plate, I think you will have to learn Chinese first (to understand the error messages thrown by the server) 16:02:51 <clokep_away> :( 16:02:52 <flo> I said "a volunteer", not "would you like to do it?" ;) 16:02:57 <clokep_away> Google Translate? ;) 16:03:13 <flo> I used that a lot 16:03:31 <flo> doesn't help for the captcha, but I think they are only when using the website :) 16:04:21 <mepine> feel free to ask questions about chinese, i'll try to help with that. 16:04:28 <flo> clokep_away: sonny and some of his friends may get to the XMPP plugin before you do 16:04:44 <flo> mepine: thanks! 16:04:52 <mepine> :) 16:05:08 <flo> do you plan to often be around? :) 16:05:28 <mepine> yes. i'm on irc everyday. 16:05:39 <flo> ok :) 16:05:48 <mepine> this is another channel i'll add. 16:05:53 <clokep_away> flo: I wasn't aware people were interested in working on it! That's great news. :) Do they have a bug they're working on it with? MIght be good to collaborate with issues we're having. 16:06:14 <clokep_away> (At least to put resources and stuff we have...I think I have a list of XMPP ones I could share w/ them.) 16:08:06 <clokep_away> I'll file a bug about QQ though. :) 16:09:03 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 16:09:19 <flo> clokep_away: sonny leads a team of XMPP and Mozilla enthusiasts who dream of creating the best instant messenger either, which of course would has a great XMPP support and use Mozilla technologies. 16:10:07 <flo> it's not completely clear yet if their work will be mergeable into Instantbird or not, but we can join our efforts at least for the low level XMPP implementation part 16:10:20 <flo> and the js module for using the network 16:10:25 <clokep_away> flo: Oh OK, did I miss this conversation at some point? :) 16:10:33 <flo> most of it was private 16:10:36 <clokep_away> That sounds great though. 16:10:38 <flo> and/or in French 16:10:48 <flo> s/either/ever/ 16:11:28 <clokep_away> There is also that XMPP GPL'd module used by that Firefox extension. :) 16:11:29 <flo> s/has/have/ 16:11:32 <flo> (obviously I'm tired) 16:11:45 <clokep_away> Hahah. I get what you're saying. Just didn't know someone was interested in working on it! 16:11:59 <flo> are you talking about xmmp4moz? 16:12:59 <clokep_away> Yes, that's the one. :) 16:13:26 * clokep_away clearly I'm not away. 16:13:28 * clokep_away is now known as clokep 16:13:32 <flo> sonny has been using it for a lot of time 16:14:57 <clokep> :) Do they have a site or something I can check out? 16:15:00 <clokep> I can translate if need be. 16:15:08 <flo> in addition to being GPL'd (and the author really doesn't want to change the license, I've had a long face to face discussion with him last year on the topic to understand his point of view which seemed perfectly valid although far away from mine on a few points), it seems it suffers from a few issues we have with libpurple too 16:15:35 <flo> like for example the library sometimes expects to be able to popup an error message when it feels an error is important... 16:16:53 <clokep> But it could be a starting point / something to look at. 16:17:33 <flo> sonny's team has only released publicly a mobile version of Papaya: https://addons.mozilla.org/af/mobile/addon/53630/ 16:18:27 <flo> they have been working on a desktop version which as I understood it is not ready yet for "public consumption" 16:18:37 <clokep> flo: for a JS QQ plug-in I tihnk we'd need someone who speaks Chinese for maintenance purposes and someone who /uses/ it all the time. 16:18:51 <flo> sure 16:18:56 <clokep> Ohhh, I remember checking this thing out. I twas really neat. :) 16:18:57 <flo> we have the same need for GaduGadu 16:19:10 <clokep> Yes. :-\ 16:19:18 <clokep> I'll file a bug though since I happen to find some info abou tit real quick. 16:19:28 <flo> the IM client from the xmpp4moz author is Sameplace: http://www.sameplace.cc/ 16:20:15 <clokep> Yes, I've seen that too. I disagree w/ having IM in my browser. 16:20:30 <clokep> Does he have JS versions of all the protocols? 16:20:40 <flo> XMPP only 16:20:56 <clokep> Ah, OK. 16:21:41 <flo> the other protocol icons on the frontpage are (in my opinion) almost a lie, as they are only usable if your server does the work through a transport 16:21:43 * clokep hates filing multiple bugs at once... 16:21:53 <clokep> Yes, that's pretty much a lie. 16:22:11 <flo> I think it isn't in the author's mind. 16:22:26 <-- mepine has quit (Ping timeout) 16:22:45 <flo> He seemed to see XMPP not as a protocol, but as a domain specific language to describe anything related to instant messaging 16:23:05 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 16:23:28 <clokep> In terms of licensing...it's GPL so if we use any part of it...it's all GPL, right? 16:25:22 <flo> I don't think we plan to use it 16:26:50 <clokep> K, just wondering. :) 16:27:11 <flo> and by the way, I don't think using a GPL'd plugin (if the application can perfectly work without it) makes the whole application GPL'd 16:27:31 <clokep> But it would make the whole plug-in GPL'd I meant. :) 16:28:06 <flo> yes 16:28:51 <flo> (which doesn't prevent you from licensing some parts of the plugin with more permissive licenses in addition to the GPL) 16:29:35 * clokep dislikes the GPl. 16:32:33 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 575 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 16:32:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=575 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve Error Console for Protocol/Account Errors 16:34:46 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 16:36:09 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 16:37:19 <-- mokush has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:37:21 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 16:37:57 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 576 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 16:37:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Replace QQ with JavaScript protocol 16:45:49 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 16:46:32 * flo wonders if clokep is about to file a bug for each protocol plugin we currently have :) 16:50:11 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 16:52:10 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 16:52:11 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 16:53:11 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 16:55:29 <clokep> flo: Not every protocol! But I thought about filing an oscar one. ;) 16:55:53 <flo> and MSN, and yahoo, ... ;) 16:56:05 <flo> and I thought about netsoul too (it seems trivial) 16:56:12 <clokep> Nah if I were to file more, definitely would be XMPP. 16:57:42 * clokep is trying to find an obscure protocol to add support to in Instantbird. ;) 16:58:38 <flo> you can take any web-based chat ;) 16:59:05 <clokep> Facebook? MySpace? What other ones are there? 16:59:33 <clokep> Ooooo I should take some live support chat from some random company's website and implement it. ;) 16:59:57 <flo> :) 17:00:02 <flo> SUMO :-P 17:01:18 <flo> I would like if we could make some reusable code an a good tutorial on how to reverse engineer those web based chat with Firebug, so that it becomes almost trivial for anybody with some JS knowhow to create a protocol for a random chat 17:01:25 --> Ron_ has joined #instantbird 17:02:32 <clokep> :) 17:03:26 <-- ron has quit (Ping timeout) 17:03:42 <clokep> That would be a pretty good thing to do. 17:03:51 <clokep> Sounds like a good excuse to make a Facebook plug in. ;) 17:04:54 <flo> ahah :) 17:05:01 <flo> or an Omegle one ;) 17:05:43 <flo> the HTTP requests used for Omegle are so clean that while reverse engineering it I actually thought "this would be perfect for a tutorial" 17:19:44 <Mic> Dear people, you talk too much. How should I ever catch up on this? :P 17:20:03 <Mic> We need an extension that summarizes chat content :D 17:20:07 <clokep> I think we just repeated the same thing over and over. 17:20:27 <clokep> Mic: I was thinking something to add the logs to my logs. :) 17:20:44 <clokep> So it downloads it from the server and adds it automatically. 17:21:09 <flo> it's a common feature of XMPP chat rooms ;) 17:21:52 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 17:21:57 <Mic> flo: what feature? 17:22:18 <flo> downloading the last few messages said before you join the room 17:23:06 <Mic> No, I meant summarizing the chat content itself. Like the abstract of the paper contains the most important things said in the blabla-part ;) 17:23:25 <Mic> I can't imagine how a machine could perform reasonable well at this task. 17:23:30 <Mic> At least at the moment. 17:26:21 <flo> Mic: I meant that feature is what clokep wanted. You want to have a personal assistant :-P. 17:27:09 <Mic> ah, ok 17:27:25 <clokep> You don't have funding for that in your research Mic? ;) 17:28:13 <Mic> Not yet, one day maybe :D 17:28:45 <Mic> but I guess it's easier to achieve if you don't decide for a scientific carreer ;) 17:30:13 <clokep> What is your field anyway? 17:33:17 <flo> Mic: I think it's better to avoid free software too ;). 17:33:31 <Mic> I'm doing physics, terahertz spectrocopy at the moment 17:33:59 <clokep> Ah I have to go. 17:34:05 <Mic> Have a nice day 17:34:45 <clokep> Will be back later ot file more protocol bugs. ;) 17:35:46 <flo> script it? :) 17:36:07 <flo> there's also a link somewhere to file a bug as a copy of an existing bug 17:37:50 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 17:41:49 <flo> the user experience of upgrading VLC is horribly bad :( 17:48:51 <Mic> Indeed. 17:49:41 <Mic> I need to lookup the speedup-start-after-update bug in Mozilla, there's one for sure 17:50:25 <Mic> I'm curious they plan to do on it 17:50:25 <flo> what's the issue? 17:50:41 <Mic> There's the updater with the progress bar and stuff 17:50:46 <Mic> That's the issue ;) 17:50:59 <flo> ah, I think they want to do it at shutdown instead, or something like that 17:51:01 <Mic> I wonder why the update has to be applied at startup 17:51:41 <flo> on Windows a very little part (replacing the files) has to be done while the binary is not running 17:52:05 <Mic> ah 17:52:35 <Mic> That's what I wondered: if you could reduce it to a mere renaming/moving files at startup or (shutdown) 18:03:06 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 18:15:19 * flo has fixed the Omegle plugin :) 18:16:51 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 18:23:35 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 18:24:07 <deOmega> Good day all 18:24:33 <deOmega> hi flo: regarding the distortion bug... 18:24:43 <flo> deOmega: hello :) 18:25:32 <deOmega> seeking clarification: I am using Firefox 4 beta and have n had no issues with distortion.. so could this be specific to IB, and therefore, Mozilla may have no inclination to address it? 18:26:19 <flo> which beta? 18:27:23 <deOmega> i have been using all of teh betas, currently i am on beta 6 18:27:35 <deOmega> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:2.0b6) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0b6 18:27:55 <flo> ok 18:29:55 <deOmega> I do not necessarily work with the betas, but use them out of distracting curiosity... but nonetheless, no issues such as that 18:31:02 <flo> it's possible this was enabled only in beta7 as the flag in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581212 is blocking2.0:beta7+ 18:31:15 --> Jox has joined #instantbird 18:33:42 <deOmega> ok, will see what happens when i get beta 7 18:33:55 <deOmega> thank you 18:34:28 <flo> no problem 18:34:55 <deOmega> You guys have done a lot of work on the nightlies...very functional now for me personally 18:35:08 <flo> were the previous nightlies broken? 18:35:13 <deOmega> Though theupdate window is still prett y wide.. but usable 18:35:17 <flo> ah, you had that update bug 18:36:05 <deOmega> there was abroken nightly that was addressed... where i could not send messages. 18:36:42 <deOmega> This bug i am referring to .. when u select check for updates.. the windows that comes up is pretty wide 18:36:50 <deOmega> but functional 18:37:04 <flo> if anybody is interested in the Omegle plugin, it should be functional again with this fix: https://hg.instantbird.org/addons/rev/d32409155fc5 18:37:19 <flo> I haven't worked on the makefile/packaging yet 18:37:45 <flo> deOmega: I'm seeing that wide window too 18:37:59 <flo> isn't the update window very similar in Firefox betas? 18:38:20 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 18:39:16 <-- Andrey has quit (Quit: ) 18:40:11 <flo> I've got to go. Good evening/night! :) 18:40:15 <-- Ron_ has quit (Ping timeout) 18:40:17 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 18:42:13 <deOmega> flo: when you get back.. i have not noticed an option to check for updates in the firefox betas...so, no window to compare. it is really not a bother, as long as you are aware of it. Have a great evening. 18:42:53 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 18:48:31 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 19:05:10 --> Even has joined #instantbird 19:05:10 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 19:05:15 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 19:10:19 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 19:11:02 <-- micahg has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 19:11:02 <-- Jox has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:11:16 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 19:11:58 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:12:13 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 19:16:19 --> Maritz has joined #instantbird 19:16:37 <-- Maritz has left #instantbird () 19:18:21 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 19:18:37 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:34:04 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 19:44:51 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 577 filed by mikk.own.cz@gmail.com. 19:44:53 <instantbot> mikk.own.cz@gmail.com added attachment 396 to bug 577. 19:44:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, amiss relative link used 19:48:14 --> Mic1 has joined #instantbird 20:03:15 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:03:34 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 20:13:14 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 20:22:29 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 20:22:29 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 20:34:28 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 20:35:57 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 20:55:39 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 21:09:11 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 21:10:49 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:10:49 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 21:17:06 --> clokep1 has joined #instantbird 21:18:34 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 21:18:38 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:18:38 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 21:20:06 <-- clokep1 has quit (Ping timeout) 21:22:05 <Mic1> clokep: enjoying the +h as it seems? :P 21:22:39 <hicham> congrats for the +h 21:24:09 <Mic1> thanks 21:26:37 <Morian> Wow, plenty of new +h friends 21:27:09 <Morian> now you can kick instantbot when he becomes too noisy :D 21:28:29 <hicham> instantbot: watch out 21:28:32 --> clokep1 has joined #instantbird 21:28:32 <instantbot> hicham: Sorry, I've no idea what 'watch out' might be. 21:29:45 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 21:37:36 <-- clokep1 has quit (Ping timeout) 21:41:07 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 21:43:50 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 22:02:12 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 22:09:50 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:09:50 * ChanServ sets mode +h clokep 22:11:05 <clokep> Thanks Mic, you too! 22:39:04 <-- kaie has quit (Quit: (good night)) 22:54:56 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 22:55:25 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 23:06:08 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 23:06:13 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Ping timeout) 23:27:36 <Mic1> Good night 23:27:59 <-- Mic1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 23:32:56 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 23:33:39 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 23:35:31 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 23:35:41 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer)