#instantbird log on 11 07 2010

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00:01:18 <Mic> I guess I have too few buddies to ever notice this freeze ;)
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00:13:24 <clokep> Gotta leave that lab at some point and make some. ;)
00:17:36 <flo> you can also create 10 accounts on each protocol and let them add each other in their buddy lists, in several groups :)
00:18:47 <flo> good night! :)
00:20:51 <clokep> 'night.
00:27:09 <Mic> Good night
00:37:30 <Mic> nn
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11:11:47 * flo is looking for some free chatterbox js code (I only have Eliza currently)
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13:33:48 <Mic> hej
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14:11:15 <Mic> Following the idea to be able to easily 'undo' things: 
14:11:41 <Even1> hi all :)
14:11:48 <Mic> hello Even
14:11:55 <Even1> oops, ooks like I'm connected from another location
14:12:12 <Mic> What about embedding links to reconnect an account or to rejoin a channel in the system messages?
14:12:51 <Mic> I'm talking about the "Your account is disconnected." and "You parted the channel" messages here
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14:13:14 <Even1> hop
14:13:20 <Even1> Love SSH :)
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14:13:31 <flo> We will need to add an exception in the filtering system to do that, so that locally generated messages are not filtered
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14:14:01 <flo> (such a link would either require some javascript or some "magic" url not acceptable as part of a received message to work)
14:14:01 <Even> Really, it's cool to be able to kill my other Ib from where I stand without the need of getting to my other computer.
14:14:04 <Even> ^^
14:14:13 <Mic> :)
14:14:29 <Mic> flo: implementation details :P
14:14:52 <flo> yeah, those are the dependent bugs you will need to file :-P
14:15:01 <Mic> hehe
14:15:11 <flo> Even: are you in a mood to fix the latest-trunk link? :)
14:15:13 <Mic> Going to file a bug about parted channels later
14:15:36 <Even> flo: well tried but I already told you it was going to be between a two jobs timbe at work
14:15:36 <Mic> You can 'send' messages when you have parted a channel, no idea what happens to them
14:15:41 <Even> So try tomorrow ^^
14:15:46 <Even> Might work :P
14:16:09 <Even> Right now, I have tons of work to get my business plan a little further.
14:16:35 <flo> wanna make mine instead? ;)
14:16:52 <Even> If you want the plan :P
14:16:56 <flo> I need some figures about how people spend money on the internet
14:16:58 <Even> I an spare you this part :P
14:17:04 <Even> *can
14:17:24 <Even> s/plan/summary/
14:18:23 <Mic> I'm not sure if people spend so much money on the internet
14:18:30 <Even> But for the content I think you'll t go for it by yourself, at least for now. But I will be happy to read and comment.
14:18:40 <Mic> Except in stores like amazon or AppStores, ITunes Store ..
14:18:47 <Mic> -typos
14:18:59 <Even> Mic:I think it is what he wants to know.
14:19:17 <flo> Mic: online stores, travel agencies, ...
14:19:26 <flo> there are lots of "naturel" ways to spend money on the Internet
14:19:38 <Even> Mic: If you know where people spend  great deal of money, you can include things like sponsorised links and so on that gets you some money when people click / buy what is linked.
14:20:23 <flo> Even: obviously, pornography and online gambling, but that's not suitable for Instantbird ;)
14:20:32 <Mic> That's not exactly people spending money
14:21:36 <Even> Well pornography might work as an addon :P
14:22:01 <flo> Even: we would need webcam support first :-P
14:22:05 <Even> But it might need some video stuff included in Ib before :D
14:22:14 <Even> Yeah, I was in the same line of thinking ^^
14:22:34 <Even> But obviously, it would make some good euros :P
14:24:10 <Mic> What about Flattr ? It's not a reliable way of creating income but maybe it helps to cover a bit of the costs
14:24:27 <Mic> At least for the time being
14:26:51 <flo> Mic: I've only quickly looked at the site, but how is it different from just a "donate" paypal button?
14:27:52 <Mic> I don't know how donating with Paypal works but with Flattr you're sharing a certain amount of money between the pages you like
14:28:14 <Mic> I guess Paypal is better to support a certain page specifically
14:28:21 <flo> and donating 10% of that amount to Flattr
14:28:35 <Mic> Yes, the 'service costs' are rather high
14:30:13 <Mic> Coffee break.
14:30:14 <Mic> bye
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18:06:18 <Jox> I'd like to thank for Instantbird. That's really great messenger. The things I'd like to improve are: 1) displaying time of every message; 2) sort friends in alphabetical order; 3) show some (for example five) last messages from log when starting chat. May I just haven't found these options... =)
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18:12:15 <tymerkaev> Jox: could you wait for people which may give answer?
18:13:10 <tymerkaev> 1) it's by default message style; feel free to use other (Options > Themes)
18:18:56 <flo> Jox: hi. Do you need the time of every message visible all the time, or do you just sometimes need to know the time of a specific message? If so, you can see it in a tooltip text when hovering the message
18:19:11 <flo> tymerkaev: or as said, use a different message theme :)
18:19:29 <tymerkaev> flo: hi
18:20:02 <flo> sorting the list of friends will come in the future, and displaying the last few messages of the latest conversation will come once we have a new log system. :)
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18:28:19 <tymerkaev> ...
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20:21:14 <DGMurdockIII> update.instantbird.org : server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555
20:25:04 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: thanks for telling, this is a known problem
20:25:18 <DGMurdockIII> ok
20:25:35 <DGMurdockIII> good to know it a know problem
20:25:52 <DGMurdockIII> CoCreateInstance() FAILED.
20:26:13 <Mic> This is stupid spam by the framework afaik
20:26:21 <Mic> The first thing is bug 487.
20:26:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Updates throw info message (RFC 5746 -- SSL/TLS) in Instantbird
20:29:00 <DGMurdockIII> but why not fix it
20:29:06 <Mic> I guess you could have found the bug by searching for either the adress or the letter/number combination
20:29:18 <DGMurdockIII> in stead of just stop it spamming
20:29:30 <Mic> When someone reports such a thing he'll most likely copy the error message into the report
20:29:36 <Mic> Ask them ;)
20:29:59 <DGMurdockIII> ask who?
20:34:17 <Mic> It's not an Instantbird specific problem but one of the Mozilla framework.
20:35:09 <Mic> And it's not an error message anways (at least it is marked as informative message)
20:37:14 <DGMurdockIII> ok
20:37:23 <DGMurdockIII> well i will be back later
20:37:46 <Mic> bye
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22:36:58 <Mic> flo: are you familiar with details of the IRC protocol? I'm currently filing a bug report and need some clarification concerning services and the PASS command.
22:37:26 <flo> not really
22:37:31 <Mic> Does PASS require services (chanserv/nickserv) to be available or is it a built-in function?
22:37:34 <Mic> ah, ok :S
22:37:46 * Mic summons clokep to the channel ;)
22:37:57 <flo> not going to file a dup of bug 162? :)
22:38:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Send password to IRC servers known to use bots for authentification
22:38:21 <Mic> No
22:38:24 <flo> :)
22:38:35 <flo> you may still ask the question
22:38:48 <flo> clokep probably reads the log ;)
22:39:55 <Mic> I'm filing a bug and he's CC anyways, so I guess this will do fine.
22:40:03 <flo> :)
22:40:28 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 574 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
22:40:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Enhance UI with IRC features
22:41:51 <flo> arg, even when I put the height to 0px, I still have 4 pixels of padding
22:42:12 <flo> that may explain why my animation seems to start part way instead of at the beginning
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23:41:06 <flo> It's hard to get a (self-)review on that patch :-D
23:54:05 <Mic> I can have a quick glance if you like
23:54:45 <flo> hmm, we have a bug for that, don't we?
23:55:00 <flo> bug 504
23:55:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use CSS3
23:57:31 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 395 to bug 504.
23:57:32 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from benediktp@ymail.com  for attachment 395 on bug 504.
23:57:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use CSS3