#instantbird log on 10 18 2010

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07:21:08 <flo> Good morning
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08:08:46 <Even> On a récupéré 11Go ^^
08:08:51 <Even> Déjà ça de gagné.
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14:13:09 <flo> Instantbird 0.1 was released 3 years ago.
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15:38:37 <Mic> Congratulations then .. even though I don't know how 0.1 was i think it's been much progress since then
15:38:47 <Mic> It's been a huge step from to 0.2 alone
15:39:33 <flo> it's probably time to offer it a new implementation of the buddy list ;). Too bad I'm not ready to push it today :-/.
15:40:34 <flo> but I think at this point it is "usable": as long as you don't want to do any action (move, alias, add, remove, ...) other than starting a conversation, I think the new implementation behaves like the old one. :)
15:40:52 <Mic> What do you think about postings like on Mossop's block concerning progress?
15:41:16 <Mic> I know you said that you like to offer screenshots and links and implementations that people can try, but 
15:41:17 <flo> weekly status reports?
15:41:21 <Mic> exactly
15:41:32 <Mic> Just a few lines 'done this, mocing on to that'
15:41:33 <flo> I was supposed to do it. :(
15:41:42 <Mic> *moving
15:41:59 <clokep> I was actually thinking the other day its probably about time for another blog post...been about a month I think?
15:42:15 <flo> I haven't done it this week because I'm too sad of the content of the potential report :-D
15:42:30 <Mic> ".. can try, but a weekly status report is a progress indicator anyways" <- that's how I wanted to finish the sentence
15:42:32 <flo> clokep: without looking I would say 3 weeks
15:43:08 <Mic> Was the last week so bad?
15:43:21 <Mic> I thought you were planning the API and even started implementing it?
15:43:22 <clokep> flo: last was 2010-09-24.
15:43:40 <Mic> Sounds to me like something happened;)
15:43:40 <flo> I wasted a lot of time trying to buy a used Mac Mini on ebay to replace our current PowerMac G5 so that we can do the PPC/i386 -> i386/x64 switch too.
15:44:18 <Mic> Well, could be a 'fun' task to ad (even though it doesn't seem to been funny as it sounds)
15:44:19 <Mic> gtg
15:44:25 <flo> canceled the transaction today because I've definitely lost all confidence in the seller
15:44:28 <Mic> preparing for a late night shift today..
15:44:42 <Mic> next two days will be extremely busying taking experiments and gathering data
15:44:45 <Mic> bbl
15:44:50 <clokep> Bye Mic.
15:44:51 <flo> I was expecting to post a picture of the good old power mac G5 saying it's now time to retire it
15:45:04 <flo> Mic: good evening. Have fun with the experiments :)
15:46:56 <flo> I just spent an hour today looking for a bank that wouldn't charge us hundreds of euros just to have an account in there for a potential non profit around Instantbird (so that we can finally accept donations)
15:47:46 <clokep> Most banks in the US don't charge non-profits.
15:47:52 <clokep> AFAIK at least.
15:47:58 <flo> I thought the same
15:48:05 <flo> until I looked at the prices
15:48:11 <clokep> :-\
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15:53:58 * flo wonders if it's possible to telephone with his office phone
15:56:16 <flo> I'm calling a vocal server, which asks me to press 1 for blahblahblah, 2 for...
15:56:37 <flo> when I press 1, the phone starts a second call on the non-existent internal number "1"
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15:58:00 <clokep> That's weird.
15:58:36 <flo> that phone is the perfect example of unusable technological objects
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15:59:28 * clokep thinks flo found something to write a blog post/rant about. ;)
15:59:29 <flo> After having it for almost 20 months on my desk, I still haven't figure out how to navigate in the menus if its user interface
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15:59:39 <jdc> halo
15:59:44 <clokep> Hi.
16:00:09 <jdc> what i can configure gg account
16:00:18 <jdc> on instantbird
16:00:23 <flo> clokep: the photocopier here is GREAT too. Perfect for saving paper. In the same 20 months, I've been able only once to enter my password to login into it ;).
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16:00:54 <clokep> jdc: You should be able to create a new account using the account manager. I don't know much about gg though, I've never used it.
16:01:03 <clokep> flo: Sounds like a win for the environmentalists. :)
16:01:13 <flo> clokep: yeah
16:01:16 <jdc> it's poland comunicator
16:01:34 <clokep> jdc: Yes, I know. :)
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16:02:43 <flo> clokep: about the photocopier: it has a physical keyboard for numbers, and you need to touch the very poor touch screen to enter letters. The touch screen detects a "key press" about once out of 4 attempts, and I would say half of the detected key presses match the intended key.
16:03:04 <jdc> i've say one thing- when i configure account there is error can not connect to server
16:03:04 <clokep> :-\ That's frustrating, they couldn't just use pin numbers?
16:03:06 <flo> for general use, you can cancel the wrong key presses, but for the password, all you see is some "*" characters on the screen :)
16:03:57 <clokep> jdc: Sorry. I don't know. :-\
16:04:00 <flo> yes, it's very frustrating. :)
16:04:28 <flo> jdc: are you using Instantbird 0.2 or a current nightly build? I'm afraid the GG plugin is almost completely broken in the 0.2 release :(.
16:04:46 <flo> I'm not sure it works really well in current nightlies, but I've heard there was some significant improvement
16:05:18 <jdc> this program can be a great, but i have problems with gg. i'm very sad. 
16:06:22 <flo> None of us have GG accounts so we can't really help debug it. Our Polish translators may know a little more, but are not developers.
16:06:44 <jdc> yes, baut i need help now
16:06:52 <jdc> *but
16:07:10 <jdc> :((
16:07:10 <clokep> Did you see flo's question about what version you're using?
16:07:32 <jdc> I'm using 0.2 version
16:08:10 <clokep> The nightly builds have an updated version of libpurple, which fixes some issues with GG, we've been told. You could give it a try.
16:08:17 <clokep> Its pretty stable. :)
16:08:41 <clokep> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/2010/10/2010-10-17-12-instantbird/ has them for Win & Linux.
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16:15:43 <flo> the 27 pages manual (full of scary diagrams for the magic incantations to keys to press on the phone) doesn't help me to know how I can just press a key during a call and have it sent on the line. Bah...
16:16:13 <clokep> call IT?
16:16:16 <clokep> I have to go to class.
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16:16:29 <flo> with the phone? :)
16:16:38 <clokep_away> Catch-22. ;)
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16:31:44 <tymerkaev> flo: could you show us "a new implementation of the buddy list"?
16:31:58 <flo> tymerkaev: you want to see the code?
16:32:07 <tymerkaev> as screenshot or something like that
16:32:14 <tymerkaev> this too
16:32:24 <flo> tymerkaev: I've just explained it looks and behave *exactly* as before
16:32:42 <flo> it's the backend I'm rewriting
16:32:47 <flo> the UI will come next :)
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16:47:49 <flo> tymerkaev: if you want to look at a big unfinished patch, here it is: http://queze.net/goinfre/new-blist-2010-10-18.patch
16:48:00 <flo>  23 files changed, 1650 insertions(+), 489 deletions(-)
16:48:18 <flo> I haven't removed yet the code that is no longer useful but doesn't prevent the new implementation from working
16:49:00 <tymerkaev> why 'contact' instead of 'buddy'?
16:49:47 <flo> a contact can contain several buddies
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17:16:58 * flo is adding a "contact-no-longer-dummy" and wonders if there's some potential for "developers" to misinterpret the meaning :-D
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18:26:47 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 555 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
18:26:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555 enh, --, 0.3a1, nobody, NEW, New buddy list backend
18:29:28 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org added attachment 378 to bug 555.
18:29:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555 enh, --, 0.3a1, florian, ASSI, New buddy list backend
18:50:42 <flo> I've got to go and don't have time to finish now, but I've started writing a status update post
18:50:56 <flo> see http://pastebin.instantbird.com/436 Comments welcome of course.
18:51:01 <flo> I'll finish and post it tomorrow
18:52:31 <flo> Good evening/night! :)
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19:27:18 <clokep> flo: My revisions: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/437
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20:22:11 <Mic|scienceCanBeTedious> Awesome: the data acquisition software of our experiment just got eaten by the antivirus software :S
20:22:32 <clokep> :(
20:22:34 <Mic|scienceCanBeTedious> jsut because this stupid programmer used rootkit-like techniques to implement a copy protection
20:22:51 <Mic|scienceCanBeTedious> And I have insufficient rights to revert this :S
20:32:30 <clokep> Right another virus to get around the anti-virus?
20:32:34 <clokep> s/right/write/
20:35:22 <hicham> nice
20:53:55 <Mic|scienceCanBeTedious> I guess I could spend the night attempting a priviledge escalation
20:54:03 <Mic|scienceCanBeTedious> or come back tomorrow when our admin is there
20:54:21 <Mic|scienceCanBeTedious> This sucks, if there's anything I have too little of right now then it is time :S
20:54:43 <Mic|scienceCanBeTedious> Our lab will be moved end of the week and packing starts on wednesday :S
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20:57:38 <Mic|softwareSucks> good night
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