All times are UTC.
00:00:18 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 00:11:25 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 00:32:15 <rikki> hmm would there be much use for being able to write extensions in lua instead of js? 00:33:33 <clokep> rikki: Only if you know lua. ;) But it'd hav eto be hacked into the mozilla platform. 00:33:43 <rikki> no 00:33:52 <rikki> there is a addon for firefox 00:34:25 <rikki> but the only copies i can find are a bit out dated 00:35:42 <clokep> Oh? I only knew of addons that allowed Python or Java support. 00:35:44 <clokep> That's cool. :) 00:35:58 <rikki> yea 00:46:23 <rikki> hmm the addon looks very unactive 00:55:19 <clokep> :-\ 00:57:41 <rikki> and all it would have needed was a few updates to make it work proberbly 00:58:04 <rikki> can't find any firefox addons for another language 00:58:09 <rikki> which i could have changed to lua 00:59:47 <rikki> http://code.google.com/p/mshine/ 00:59:50 <rikki> that is the project 01:01:15 <rikki> there is no files on the luaforge 01:01:45 <rikki> o well 01:06:06 <clokep> Well you could always take what they have, see if it works and go from there. :) 01:16:12 <rikki> umm 01:16:13 <rikki> can't 01:16:22 <rikki> its only lua files nothing that connects it to firefox 01:18:24 <rikki> yes yes yes 01:18:27 <rikki> its in svn! 01:18:41 <clokep> Oh, yeah. I saw that a while ago. Sorry i thought you realize that. 01:19:11 <rikki> lol nope 01:19:55 <rikki> damn google not implementing a download trunk button 01:20:35 <clokep> :) SVN. ;) Easy enough. 01:20:41 <rikki> yea 01:20:50 <rikki> well wasn't so easy till i got svn working in command prompt 01:21:49 <rikki> damn some1 didn't get make setup 01:21:52 <clokep> :) 01:22:31 <rikki> damn only setup for linux this source 01:23:02 <rikki> ehh install software time :) 01:23:42 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 01:26:49 <clokep> Hahah. 01:57:42 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 02:02:31 <rikki> ehh it should be compileable if u use make 02:02:44 <rikki> but ehh windows might be a bit hard to compile on for me atm 02:07:16 <clokep> Its not too terrible tos et up. 02:07:32 <rikki> yea but im not in the mood to do it 02:12:21 <clokep> Quite understandable! 02:12:52 <rikki> im also atm trying to get lua in my irc client 02:13:01 <rikki> which is working very well 02:13:36 <clokep> Instantbirds not your IRC client?! :P 02:13:46 <rikki> it is 02:13:58 <rikki> but i have to constantly switch to another to manage a network 02:14:06 <rikki> because of no raw commands 02:15:22 <rikki> being not able to send raw commands in instantbird is a real disapointment 02:15:40 <clokep> Right. 02:15:44 <rikki> and idk enough of the xul engine to be able to add it 02:15:52 <clokep> You'll be able to do it after I finish the rewrite of the protocol hopefully. 02:16:00 <rikki> yay 02:16:10 <rikki> also have you ever tried to oper up using instantbird? 02:16:26 <clokep> I've gotten it automatically a few times on freenode, but never tried to. 02:16:36 <rikki> yea its sorta impossible 02:16:47 <rikki> bc oper is a raw command lol 02:17:24 <clokep> I though you could do like /OPER blah blah. 02:17:34 <rikki> /oper nick pass 02:18:06 <rikki> i certainly can't do it lol 02:20:11 <clokep> Guess I was wrong. :( Sorry. 02:20:21 <rikki> yea :( 02:21:08 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 02:21:12 <rikki> also another reason why i use a different irc client is that i can make commands to do thinsg 02:21:52 <rikki> like /alias ope { raw OPER rikki pass } 02:22:04 <rikki> and from that point on wards i can just type /ope to oper up 02:24:48 <clokep> Right. 02:25:46 <rikki> does that make sense? 02:26:52 <clokep> Yes, I know what an alias is. 02:31:49 <clokep> You should file a bug to ask for aliases. ;)0 02:32:16 <rikki> nah, for who ever does it the'll have to implement a scripting system post what we already have 02:33:01 <rikki> it would be easier to implement something like imacros and then make it so it can get triggors like send textbox 02:33:30 <clokep> Not really. 02:33:33 <clokep> JS can parse JS. 02:33:38 <clokep> So you can just put a textbox. :) 02:33:42 <rikki> yea i know that 02:34:27 <clokep> :) 02:38:39 <clokep> Id id a little work with some stuff I never released that has some scripting elements but yeah... 02:39:00 <clokep> Really it'd be like porting Greasemonkey and givign it a good API. 02:39:13 <rikki> yea 02:40:12 <rikki> although it wouldn't give the right feel to the GUI from scripting that i would want 02:40:52 <clokep> You want just a window that you can type in? Well that'd just be GUI. 02:40:58 <rikki> then again i want to be able to write in a lot of languages, so im just wanting too much lol 02:41:17 <clokep> :) 02:41:35 <rikki> you should be able to see why now im writing an irc client 02:42:05 <clokep> I didn't realize you were writing one. 02:42:11 <rikki> i am 02:42:19 <rikki> http://sourceforge.net/p/devirc/home/ 02:42:30 <clokep> Java, eh. 02:42:34 <rikki> yea 02:43:00 <rikki> i love the write once run anywhere feel of java 02:44:19 <rikki> but before you say java is the only lang there is a few native libraries 02:45:12 <clokep> Oh OK. 02:45:17 <clokep> I think Java is too verbose. 02:45:56 <rikki> i like it but there is quite a few annoyances in the JVM 02:46:11 <rikki> like i can't load a native library from jar 02:47:16 <clokep> Oh OK. 02:47:35 <clokep> What makes it for programmers in mind? 02:48:04 <rikki> when i get it more complete i am going to be making it so its sorta like mirc but supporting a lot more languages 02:48:22 <rikki> also there is a web browser 02:50:31 <clokep> Interesting. :) 02:50:40 <clokep> Are there any screenshots? Didn't see any on the wiki. 02:50:55 <rikki> its not yet in a state which i would want to show it off 02:51:09 <rikki> but your welcome to download the source and compile it 02:51:25 <clokep> I don't even have the JVM on this machine. :) 02:51:28 <clokep> But maybe. 02:52:44 <clokep> You seen the IRC rewrite for Instantbird I assume then? :P My ugly ugly code. 02:52:52 <rikki> nope 02:53:35 <clokep> bug 507 & the code: https://hg.instantbird.org/experiments/file/2ebff19b1738 02:53:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507 enh, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Implement IRC in JavaScript 02:54:53 <rikki> not many comments, but i've been worse lol 02:55:17 <clokep> Its a work in progress. ;) 02:55:26 <rikki> yea 03:31:31 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 04:19:39 --> rikki1 has joined #instantbird 04:20:25 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 04:33:23 <-- rikki1 has quit (Ping timeout) 04:34:05 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 05:25:53 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 05:38:15 <-- rikki has quit (Ping timeout) 05:40:02 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 05:47:08 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 06:21:55 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 07:10:12 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 07:29:37 --> patrickjdempsey has joined #instantbird 07:29:44 <-- patrickjdempsey has left #instantbird () 07:42:52 --> ron has joined #instantbird 08:37:04 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 08:37:26 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:37:27 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:23:38 <-- ron has quit (Quit: ) 09:38:40 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:39:34 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 09:41:19 <Mic> hello 10:07:35 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 365 to bug 519. 10:07:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519 nor, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Extend jsProtoHelper to implement purpleIConvChat 10:12:58 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 366 to bug 519. 10:13:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519 nor, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Extend jsProtoHelper to implement purpleIConvChat 10:13:15 <Mic> man, a two line patch and I'm making mistakes in it ;) 10:39:51 <flo> hello :) 10:40:05 <flo> Mic: are you playing with jsProto too? 10:40:22 <Mic> no, I just saw this bug mentioned somewhere and had a look at it 10:40:43 <flo> ok :) 10:41:02 <Mic> I've got enough another things on my want-to-to list ;) 10:41:02 <flo> I guess the more js-proto players we have, the more fun there will be ;) 10:41:15 <Mic> *other 10:50:06 <flo> I should probably take care of adding a preference for the default size of the places.sqlite file 10:51:34 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 10:51:55 <Mic> Sorry, I admit it might be fun working with some others on jsProtocols but I think I don't have time for that 10:52:12 <flo> I wasn't asking you to do anything ;) 10:52:57 <flo> It's not really fully usable yet anyway ;) 10:57:26 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 11:02:36 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 11:08:09 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 11:29:27 <Mic> hmm, we don't have a canAddBuddies flag on protocols/accounts, do we? 11:29:58 <Mic> Bad example is Facebook again: you can add buddies to the list, with no real effect ofcourse (they appear but aren't functional ofcourse) 11:31:27 <Mic> flo: maybe we should have a buddy-added animation by the way. If the buddy you added is offline and offline buddies are hidden at the moment, then there's no indication that the buddy really has been added 11:31:47 <Mic> Maybe we could show it for a moment and then do something like sign-off animation 11:32:43 <Mic> *like the 11:58:05 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 12:08:20 <flo> Mic: I agree that we need to provide feedback in some way that the buddy has really been added 12:08:34 <flo> showing it in the buddy list for a few seconds may be a bit misleading though :-/ 12:09:39 <flo> At some point, I thought we should not close the add buddy dialog until we have a confirmation from the server that the buddy has really been added to the server-side list, and show that confirmation in the dialog, or an error message. 12:10:05 <flo> of course libpurple doesn't provide a way to have that confirmation, so the idea more or less died 12:42:30 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Ping timeout) 12:47:58 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 12:48:28 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 12:58:02 <Ornthalas> flo, you're here ? 12:58:17 <flo> yes 12:58:29 <Ornthalas> i couldn't update my IB 12:58:37 <Ornthalas> s i redownloaded the windows zip 12:58:41 <Ornthalas> (the installer fails) 12:58:48 <Ornthalas> qui IB 12:58:54 <Ornthalas> empty the progfiles/IB folder 12:59:00 <Ornthalas> unzip the files 12:59:08 <Ornthalas> try to copy them in py progfiles/ib folder 12:59:10 <Ornthalas> this fails 12:59:38 <Ornthalas> it tells me c:/progfiles/ib/accessiblemarshal.dll : access denied 12:59:47 <Ornthalas> you have an idea why ? 13:00:40 <flo> the file is probably locked/in use 13:01:25 <Ornthalas> yes, but by what ? 13:01:31 <Ornthalas> the IB folder is empty 13:01:33 <Ornthalas> files deleted 13:01:46 <flo> the file doesn't exist? 13:01:52 <flo> have you tried rebooting windows? 13:01:57 <Ornthalas> nope 13:01:59 <Ornthalas> don't wanna 13:02:29 <Ornthalas> in process explorer, if i search for handle or dll with substring Accessible, no results are found 13:04:36 <Ornthalas> mmh strange 13:04:41 <Ornthalas> i can'tt copy to anywhere else 13:04:43 <flo> if you don't want to reboot, maybe you can reformat the partition to explain windows that it should not refuse to write in an empty folder ;) 13:06:24 <Ornthalas> found why 13:06:27 <Ornthalas> grrrrr 13:06:55 <Ornthalas> it's supercopier that's not able to ask permission to copy with admin rights 13:07:28 <Ornthalas> so it tries to copy anyway with my users' and fails miserably with its access denied 13:07:38 <Ornthalas> stupid 13:08:38 <Ornthalas> since Aug 16 20:28:30 2009, no update has been made on their svn 13:08:40 <Ornthalas> too bad 13:25:03 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:26:02 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 13:26:41 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:27:04 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 13:35:37 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:38:05 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 13:50:50 <clokep> Good morning. :) 13:55:44 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 14:03:18 <flo> clokep: hey :) 14:13:32 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Quit: KTHXBYE) 14:13:54 * flo looks at http://www.trillian.im/learn/tour-mac.html and is puzzled to see the cool features they insist on are "New and Simplified Service Icons" "Change Connection Status All At Once" "Update Your Status Message" or "Typing Notifications" 14:14:26 <flo> and the download for mac is a .zip :-S 14:15:29 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 14:16:35 <clokep> I really dislike Trillian. :( 14:16:52 <clokep> Just throwing that out there. 14:17:33 <flo> I've used it for a long time 14:17:37 <flo> it was my very first IM client 14:17:44 <flo> I remember some of the bugs :-D. 14:18:12 <flo> like when typing ], the characters after it were smaller for no apparent reason 14:18:17 <clokep> Hahah. 14:18:43 <clokep> I just disliked the way it looked and all. I used AOL then AIM then AIM+YIM+MSN then Pidgin. :) 14:18:46 <clokep> Now Instantbird+Skype. 14:23:44 <flo> "At your option, you may request that Cerulean Studios store certain third-party network account information (encrypted usernames and passwords) on its servers" [...] "This encrypted information is only accessible by you and cannot be read by third parties, including Cerulean Studios employees. You can learn more about Cerulean Studios' security practices at http://www.trillian.im/security/." 14:23:52 <flo> that page gives a 404 error :-P 14:24:00 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 14:24:26 <clokep> Doesn't sound very secure to me. :) 14:25:17 <flo> maybe the security was not found ;) 14:26:56 <flo> "Organic Layout and Fluid Navigation" :-S 14:31:47 <flo> "Hide Unused Connection Icons [New in Trillian Astra] 14:31:47 <flo> Keep your connection icons tidy with the new ability to hide icons that are not bound to any connections." 14:32:04 <flo> This looks great, with the new version you don't have to see in your buddy list an icon for every protocol you don't use! :) 14:32:26 <flo> (sorry, couldn't resist...) 14:35:38 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 14:47:55 <clokep> :) 14:54:23 --> ron has joined #instantbird 14:55:55 <-- Andrey has quit (Ping timeout) 15:46:03 --> Ron_ has joined #instantbird 15:47:39 <-- ron has quit (Ping timeout) 15:48:27 <-- Ron_ has quit (Quit: ) 15:51:12 <Mic> I used AIM then Trillian and now Instantbird+Skype 15:51:21 <Mic> I never liked neither Pidgin nor Kopete 15:51:37 <Mic> Never tried Miranda 15:52:01 <clokep> Oh, I used Kopete for a little bit too when i was running Linux. 16:03:36 <Mic> Remembering Trillian I have to agree that managing the status on a per-account level is a mess 16:10:03 <Mic> btw I changed your patch on bug 519, I guess now that you forked jsProtoHelper you can include it yourself 16:10:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519 nor, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Extend jsProtoHelper to implement purpleIConvChat 16:12:05 <clokep> Mic: I saw. I'll include it, although there's a ton of stuff that needs to be added. :-\ 16:12:08 <clokep> Thanks though. :) 16:12:45 --> Mic1 has joined #instantbird 16:13:57 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 16:14:47 * Mic1 is now known as Mic 16:28:33 <-- Mic has quit (Ping timeout) 16:30:37 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:36:20 --> Even has joined #instantbird 16:36:20 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 16:53:55 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 17:20:45 <-- zachlr has quit (Ping timeout) 17:28:27 --> zachlr has joined #instantbird 17:40:39 <-- clokep has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:40:52 --> clokep1 has joined #instantbird 17:50:10 * clokep1 is now known as clokep 17:57:44 <Mic> flo: is it likely to get the patch for "bug 596759 - Selecting a tab should focus its content " included in the framework one day? 17:59:39 <flo> Mic: probably not for Mozilla 2.0 18:00:03 <flo> for the next version, sure :) 18:00:21 <flo> it's reviewed, we just need to push it to mozilla-central once it's open again for non-firefox4-blockers 18:01:19 <Mic> That's why I asked, I'm not familiar with the open/closed for whatsoever policies for mozilla-central 18:01:44 <flo> they decide of a new policy almost every week :-P 18:01:52 <flo> so that "people focus on blockers" 18:02:39 <flo> (well, it doesn't really change that often) 18:03:26 <Mic> Something else: we discussed the keyboard shortcuts once and you said you'd like to change the way how it's done 18:04:04 <flo> hmm. That was about the keys to change tabs, right? 18:04:08 <Mic> That is how and when menus(.xul?).inc is included 18:04:15 <flo> ah! 18:04:27 <flo> right, we also need to change that someday :) 18:04:27 <Mic> No, not quite. I'm talking about the account manager shortcut and the like 18:04:51 <Mic> I have a set of accesskey related bugs lying around and wanted to fix them in one go 18:05:27 <flo> the change I was talking about one matters for add-on developers that want to add a menu item that works on all windows on Mac 18:05:33 <flo> s/one/only/ 18:05:33 <Mic> Namely .. bug 496, bug 418 and bug 441 + some cleanup 18:05:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add shortcut CTRL+<number n> to access n-th tab in conversation window 18:05:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Keyboard shortcut to open "Join chat" dialog from conversation windows 18:05:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=441 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, minimize with ESC key 18:06:05 <Mic> funny, I wanted to write bug 296 and hit another by accident 18:06:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Account manager shortcut 18:06:31 <flo> 496 was the one I was interested in when I said something about tabs ;) 18:07:11 <Mic> well, this one too maybe? Even though it might need a bit different treatment than the others 18:10:59 * flo wonders if it's a good time to start tagging bugs with [0.3-blocking] [0.3-wanted] [0.3-nice-to-have] or if it's too soon 18:12:07 <clokep> It might be good to tag some bugs that they'll be in 0.3a1 ;) 18:12:18 <clokep> Like when we mark things fixed... 18:12:28 <flo> that's the target milesone field 18:12:53 <clokep> Yes I know. 18:13:54 <clokep> Well if there are things that are definitely needed for 0.3, probably wouldn't be too early to mark it as such. 18:14:36 <Mic> And file bugs for things that are wanted/needed but not there yet 18:14:43 <clokep> :) 18:14:54 <Mic> So that there's an overview what's to be done 18:15:04 <clokep> And changes 0.2-wanted to 0.3-wanted maybe? 18:15:12 <clokep> s/changes/change/ 18:15:20 <Mic> There's mode #ifdefs than content in menu.xul.inc :( 18:18:00 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 18:18:43 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:25:39 <flo> I don't think I would tag "0.3-wanted" any of the remaining 0.2-wanted :-S 18:26:15 <flo> ah, 117 is fixed 18:27:26 <clokep> Fixing is good! :) 18:28:16 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 117 to FIXED. 18:28:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Cleanup configure.in 18:43:55 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 521 to FIXED. 18:43:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=521 cri, --, 0.3a1, florian, RESO FIXED, MSN protocol crash 18:45:55 <flo> Mic: do you remember if the workaround you suggested in comment 3 worked for bug 356? 18:45:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Doesn't highlight first item in log file list 18:47:40 <Mic> oh, that's long ago .. I can't tell for sure. Will check it later .. going to unpack Ib anyways right now 18:48:59 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 190 to FIXED. 18:49:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190 nor, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, Fix content of "http://lxr.instantbird.org" 18:49:31 <flo> ok, I've cleaned up the bugs where I could tell for sure that they are fixed 18:49:37 <flo> away for diner, back later :) 18:52:42 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 18:52:57 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:56:29 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 18:56:42 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:58:19 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 19:14:30 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:15:16 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 19:16:23 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:17:03 <Mic> clokep: have you created a flat environment recently (i.e. you unpacked omni.jar)? 19:18:01 <clokep> Mic: Yes I have one right now. 19:18:10 <clokep> (On my other computer.) 19:18:14 <Mic> I fail to find and clear the cache as it seems :S Omni.jar is gone, I changed a few lines but these changes have no effect 19:21:44 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 19:23:13 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:26:00 <clokep> Mic: Are you starting Instantbird w/ the clear cache flag? 19:27:11 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:27:45 <Mic> I added -purgechaches now and it seems to work 19:50:13 <clokep> Mic: Good! Sorry, didn't notice you came back. 20:23:10 --> Tonnes_ has joined #instantbird 20:23:43 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 20:23:58 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:24:07 * Tonnes_ is now known as Tonnes 20:37:39 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 21:12:05 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 21:13:13 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 21:15:37 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 21:19:32 * flo is looking at sourceforge and wondering if they have any tools that we may want to use without having to setup them on our own servers 21:21:52 <clokep> Like what sort of thing? 21:25:58 <flo> I'm mostly interested in seeing if we can put our releases (not the nightlies) on their network or mirroirs 21:26:57 <flo> *mirrors 21:33:57 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 21:37:07 --> flo1 has joined #instantbird 21:38:10 <flo1> they have ideaTorrent: https://sourceforge.net/apps/ideatorrent/instantbird/ 21:38:46 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 21:39:16 <clokep> Sorry I disappeared, was working on a computer vision project. 21:39:38 <clokep> is this just to take some of the load off your servers? 21:40:28 <flo1> the mirrors? 21:40:32 <flo1> or the ideaTorrent? 21:44:50 <clokep> Both? 21:46:41 <flo1> the mirrors, it's for both the load (we don't have the bandwidth to server more than 50,000 downloads per day) and the speed (our servers are in France, and we've been told several time that when downloading from other countries the transfer can be very slow) 21:47:33 <clokep> Downloading from all 3 locations I've tried in the US have worked well. :) 21:48:19 <flo1> if you download instantbird from France, you get it at the maximum speed of your DSL connection (we have 100Mbps on the server, which is more or equals to all personal connection plans currently available) 21:49:31 <clokep> 100 Mbps? Damn. My connection here maxes out at like 5 down, my one at home is like 12 or so. (And that one is considered one of the top 3 ISPs in the country.) 21:50:23 <flo1> I've 512k here ;) 21:50:48 <clokep> Ouch. :( 21:51:07 <flo1> in most cities you have between 5 and 20Mbps for DSL access 21:51:16 <clokep> But I guess 100 Mbps for a server isn't super fast. 21:51:33 <flo1> but in some places there are already a few (lucky) people with 100Mbps connections (fiber based) for about the same price as DSL 21:51:34 <DGMurdockIII> i think idea torrent could be put on the website itself or use pligg 21:52:12 <clokep> Fiber in the US isn't much faster than cable services -- they throttle it. 21:52:16 <flo1> We have 2 servers with 100Mbps on each 21:52:28 <flo1> I also have 100Mbps in my office, but the 80 port is not opened (yet?) 21:53:51 <clokep> I do like the idea torrent thing though. :) If we even have enough users for it. 21:54:37 <flo1> the problem with using sourceforge is... the ads 21:54:40 <flo1> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/instantbird/instantbird-0.2.src.tgz 21:54:58 <flo1> (I've uploaded a single file to try it) 21:55:40 <clokep> I block ads on a lot of sites, sourceforge being one that isn't white listed. :) 21:56:01 <flo1> you still see their page even if you don't see the ads 21:56:38 <clokep> True. :-\ I feel like some programs that I've downloaded you don't even though it uses their mirrors? 21:58:23 <flo1> I don't think we can do better than OVH for the speed of the mirror network 21:58:33 <flo1> they put the file right in the servers of my ISP... 22:01:25 <flo1> when downloading with wget I get the file directly, not the annoying HTML page that says it's going to start 22:11:32 <clokep> :) That's sweet. 22:11:55 <clokep> http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/09/yahoo-messenger-coming-to-iphone-and-android-with-cross-platform/ 22:19:41 --> clokep1 has joined #instantbird 22:20:51 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 22:24:52 <DGMurdockIII> the ads on sourceforge arnt that bad 22:26:55 <DGMurdockIII> i think there are alot more people using instantbird than you may think but besids that have you seen google moderator 22:27:26 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.google.com/moderator/#0 22:27:40 <flo1> DGMurdockIII: we have statistics from the update requests, so we have a relatively good idea of how many users we have 22:27:59 <clokep1> DGMurdockIII: i meant people that would be involved in giving feedback. 22:28:01 <flo1> well, we can't count people using it on intranets with private XMPP or IRC servers of course... 22:28:41 <DGMurdockIII> what about people who dont update 22:30:29 <flo1> we know nothing about people who have unchecked "Instantbird" below "Automatically check for updates to:" in the "Update" tab of the "Advanced" prefpane. 22:30:48 <flo1> if they don't update but still check for updates, they are counted 22:30:54 <DGMurdockIII> ok 22:32:31 <DGMurdockIII> have you heard of google moderator before it like ideatorrent 22:32:39 <flo1> no, I didn't know it 22:43:39 <flo1> Good night 22:44:49 <clokep1> 'night. 22:45:50 <DGMurdockIII> later 22:52:26 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 23:00:29 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23:03:13 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:26:14 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout)