#instantbird log on 10 03 2010

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00:06:53 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): instantbird is crashing alot latly
00:07:45 <DGMurdockIII> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/ is out of date
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12:28:14 * tymerkaev thinks Amfi going away and back too often...
12:29:11 <Amfi> tymerkaev: Sorry, we were trying to enable localization in the latest nightly
12:29:29 <Amfi> In fact, it's possible even with the current brokem addons management :)
12:29:50 <tymerkaev> latest libpurple update may broke it
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12:30:23 <tymerkaev> but addonsmgr support at least 'work' in Instantbird
12:31:14 <Amfi> It didn't work for me :)
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13:05:41 <flo> Amfi: what's the problem?
13:09:10 <Amfi> My bad. I've tried to install an addon that has not been prepared for 0.3, yet.
13:09:37 <Amfi> However, some kind of an error message would be useful here.
13:10:16 <flo> I'm not sure of how "work-in-progress" the new add-on manager still is, but there seems to be lots of details there that need to be polished
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13:23:17 * tymerkaev fully agree with flo
13:30:30 <Mic> Is it always necessary to set the "general. ..  .locale" setting to use a certain language pack?
13:31:54 <Mic> (ie there is no other way to do it (beside extensions maybe))
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13:40:21 <flo> I think it's still necessary
13:41:20 <Mic> hmm, then it's strange imo. Having downloadable language packs and no easy way to switch between them
13:42:19 <Mic> Maybe we should include a way to chose from all installed language packs on the options dialog?
13:42:34 <flo> I'm not sure, but I think it's possible to include default preference files in any add-on, and those override the default preferences set in the application files
13:42:46 <flo> so the preference may be added in the language pack
13:48:57 <Mic> What I wanted to get at: if you can have several language packs installed, then there should be a way to chose between them.
13:49:26 <Mic> Enabling/disabling language doesn't sound very convenient
13:49:31 <Mic> *language packs
13:50:40 <hicham> +1 for multilingual software
13:52:12 <flo> why do you need to have several languages installed at the same time?
13:54:56 <Mic> If there's no reason to do it then why can you?
13:55:12 <flo> because it's very useful for translators who need to test their translations
13:55:15 <hicham> it makes things easier from a distribution point of view, you don't have to offer separate downloads for various languages
13:55:41 <flo> hicham: everything is different on Linux ;)
13:56:00 <flo> hicham: (I mean... "everything" related to the way software is distributed)
13:57:23 <flo> Mic: there may be some very specific cases where multi-language applications are useful. One that comes to mind is public computers (library, ...) in countries that have several official languages.
13:58:40 <hicham> flo: even on other OSes
13:59:37 <flo> hicham: for other OSes, doubling (or more!) the size of the download, and having to decide in the first step of the install wizard which language to use is really a bad user experience
14:04:59 <Mic> Changing topic before I start trolling on this topic .. :P
14:05:20 <flo> Good idea. Multilang packages is a troll-friendly topic ;)
14:05:23 <Mic> There's an issue with Facebook buddies .. has someone else experienced this as well:
14:05:58 <Mic> It can happen that the same buddy appears several times in the buddy list
14:06:33 <Mic> I think it happens when you move the buddy away from the default group that it was in (?)
14:07:17 <Mic> After reconnect, it can appear in the default group and in the group you moved it to. Even stranger, it can happen that they have different statuses
14:07:31 <Mic> e.g. one being available and the other away
14:08:52 <flo> probably because the facebook XMPP gateway doesn't support moving buddies
14:17:48 <flo> that gateway seems to be very minimal
14:18:12 <flo> it even seems tempting to write a JS protocol plugin that does http requests to the website to get more capabilities... :-/
14:31:09 <Mic> I guess they have a nice API for their web chat ..
14:37:38 <flo> I'm not sure if the API is nice, but it's all JSON over HTTP, so it should not be too hard to reverse engineer :)
14:53:26 <Mic> Seems to work fine to watch what's going on with a tool like httpFox
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15:17:59 <tymerkaev> flo: I'm unable to add any buddy. libpurple bug?
15:18:16 <flo> only on a specific protocol?
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15:44:10 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 533 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
15:44:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Buddy list problems with Facebook chat
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16:07:09 <Mic> welcome Andrey
16:09:00 <Andrey> hi
16:14:40 <Mic> If there's anything you like to know or suggest, then just ask :)
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16:36:25 * Mic just read an article about nsCOMPtr's. Could have been about arcane magic and I wouldn't have noticed a difference :S
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16:43:17 <tymerkaev> flo: icq
16:43:26 <tymerkaev> oscar
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17:06:44 <clokep> Gah the description for bug 464 is pretty terrible.
17:06:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=464 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Impossible to change 'extra info' with an override protocol
17:10:26 <Mic> Do you think the description is so bad? I could understand complaints about the summary, though ..
17:10:58 <Mic> 'extra info' is anything but clear
17:11:30 <clokep> "Summary", sorry. Wasn't using Bugzilla terminology. :-
17:11:33 <clokep> :)
17:12:09 <clokep> I searched for a dupe before filing bug 532 cause I could have sworn we talked about it, that one came up in my search but From the Summary I assumed that it was totally unrelated.
17:12:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=532 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Disable "Join chat" for protocol overrides that don't support it (Facebook)
17:21:22 <clokep> But good call on the dupe. Apparently I need to read the bugs I find in my searches. ;)
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17:34:53 <clokep> And you're welcome about the Tweak Bugzilla tweak....I find Bugzilla a lot more useful with it.
17:41:06 <DGMurdockIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_protocol
17:42:58 <Mic> It really is .. the inline display of changes to the bug is .. awesome 
17:44:36 <clokep> Mic: The buddy list Facebook issues...
17:44:55 <clokep> What do you expect the behavior to be?
17:45:07 <DGMurdockIII> hey dose Jingle work with instant
17:45:09 <clokep> And wouldn't tags fix this since they won't attempt to change the server group?
17:45:14 <DGMurdockIII> instantbird
17:47:46 <Mic> The buddy should stay in the new group, not appear multiple times, especially not multiple times with different status' and behave properly in general ;)
17:50:40 <clokep> Oh I didn't realize the status' and all were different!
17:52:52 <Mic> Not necessarily, but they _can_ be
17:53:08 <Mic> can? could? 
17:53:25 <DGMurdockIII> flo did you get my message that the nightly link post to outdated verson of nightly of instantbird
17:53:25 <Mic> I guess you know what I wanted to say
17:53:38 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): did you get my message that the nightly link post to outdated verson of nightly of instantbird
17:53:43 <clokep> "can" implies you have to ask for permission, 'could" means how everyone uses "can" ;)
17:53:54 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: There's a bug about that. ;)
17:53:57 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: this is a known bug
17:54:02 <DGMurdockIII> ok
17:54:18 <DGMurdockIII> why its taken so long to fix
17:54:53 * Mic fails to get the parent native window :S
17:57:03 <Mic> clokep: any ideas? http://pastebin.instantbird.com/419
17:58:04 <clokep> Mic: break that down and do each thing on a separate line to find where the real error occurs.
17:58:06 <Mic> A more friendly formatting: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/420
17:58:34 <Mic> It works until the last piece where I try to access "parentNativeWindow"
18:02:25 <Mic> flo: any ideas on this problem?
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18:04:46 <clokep> It seeems to still exist: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/public/nsIBaseWindow.idl#177 ;)
18:04:58 <clokep> I had problems when trying to use that code before at that point though too Mic.
18:05:28 <Mic> I checked the existence in current code as well, as Mossop's page is about 1.9.*
18:05:56 <Mic> ok, I didn't know you got that far already .. took me a while since I never really tried doing such a thing
18:06:23 <Mic> but know I think I know how to transform such c code into javascript
18:06:28 <Mic> *now
18:07:53 <clokep> I vaguely feel like I read somewhere that you /can't/ get parentNativeWindow in JS for some reason.
18:12:01 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: That's an interesting article on Skype.
18:17:14 * clokep is wondering whether there could be a MathML textmodifier that automatically formats from equations in text.
18:25:38 <Mic> 20:21:06 - Ethan: you want the hWnd? 
18:25:38 <Mic> 20:21:39 - Ethan: that's not accessible in javascript 
18:25:39 <Mic> :(
18:27:38 <clokep> Yeah, sorry.
18:27:44 <clokep> You might be able to do it w/ js-cytpes?
18:29:02 <clokep> I have to get going, I'll be around tomorrow.
18:29:06 <clokep> Bye.
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19:15:28 <DGMurdockIII> hey
19:15:54 <DGMurdockIII> has there been any progress on the my crashing bu
19:15:56 <DGMurdockIII> bug
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20:09:14 <flo> DGMurdockIII: the only possible progress is you uninstall the crashing plugin.
20:10:24 <DGMurdockIII> what plugin would that be
20:10:40 <DGMurdockIII> becse there no mumble plugin
20:12:35 <DGMurdockIII> disable in add-on manger in instantbird or unstall it from the computer
20:13:29 <flo> uninstall mumble
20:13:42 <flo> or update it
20:13:56 <flo> or do whatever you need to get rid of the mumble .dll file that causes the crash
20:13:57 <DGMurdockIII> im using the lastest verson
20:15:39 <DGMurdockIII> a dev of mumble try to repudice the error and a user in the room tryed as well the dev could not get instantbird to crash but user did
20:16:37 <flo> Mic: what happens when you try to use parentNativeWindow?
20:16:42 <flo> which error?
20:19:07 <Mic> one moment please
20:19:16 <Mic> Something like attribute not found
20:20:53 <flo> I get "reference to undefined property" on my mac debug build
20:21:24 <Mic> yes, exactly this is it
20:21:25 <flo> I suspect the [noscript] of the attribute is implied because the typedef voidPtr nativeWindow; may not be scriptable.
20:21:55 <Mic> Not very discoverable :S
20:22:29 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): or could you go too the mumble chaanel on the freenode irc server #mumble
20:23:03 <flo> Mic: or maybe it's because of "[ptr]         native voidPtr(void);" in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nsrootidl.idl#78
20:23:07 <flo> DGMurdockIII: no.
20:23:17 <flo> except if I have a good reason to do so.
20:23:30 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): the dev that could not get it to crash was asking mestuff about instantbird i did not know the answer to
20:23:51 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): that the reason why
20:24:19 <flo> ok, I'm there. Can you pastebin the relevant part of the conversation please?
20:24:46 <DGMurdockIII> yeah just a sec
20:24:51 <flo> I won't stay online very long though.
20:25:14 <flo> Mic: yeah, it's very obscure ;)
20:31:21 <flo> DGMurdockIII: why don't you use Instantbird for IRC? It logs conversations ;)
20:35:15 <DGMurdockIII> got just a sec
20:39:06 <DGMurdockIII> http://pastebin.com/8JCdL47A
20:39:11 <DGMurdockIII> there it is
20:40:07 <DGMurdockIII> pcgod is the dev in that
20:40:12 <DGMurdockIII> log
20:44:45 <DGMurdockIII> http://pastebin.com/fGp8reJ6
20:45:15 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): dose that help
20:46:35 <flo> there's no question about Instantbird there
20:46:57 <DGMurdockIII> yes
20:47:19 <flo> "they told me they would have tryed to make a temp patch in instantbird till it fixed in mumble" This is something you have made up...
20:47:21 <DGMurdockIII> (but directwrite also doesn't work for me in instantbird)
20:47:50 <flo> I don't know what it's supposed to do
20:48:59 <DGMurdockIII> that why i wanted u to join the the mumble channel
20:49:28 <DGMurdockIII> i no it it mumble causing ib to crash hen im not using mumblke
20:49:31 <flo> you wanted me to join to answer questions that have not been asked?
20:49:46 <DGMurdockIII> instantbird dose not crash
20:50:01 <flo> you are wasting my time.
20:51:04 <DGMurdockIII> why becouse im trying to just help get a bug fixed
20:51:47 <DGMurdockIII> you really arnt helping me find out if it is mumble causing the problem
20:52:49 <flo> 1. It is causing the problem and it's *obvious*. I don't need to "help" you to figure it out.
20:52:59 <flo> 2. You have lied on several occasion on this topic.
20:53:42 <DGMurdockIII> then why cant you fix it
20:55:32 <DGMurdockIII> then what do i need to do to so you can fix it
20:55:57 <flo> It's not a bug in Instantbird. We won't fix it.
20:56:11 <DGMurdockIII> k
20:56:32 <flo> and I wish I had remember earlier today that I once decided I was no longer going to reply to "questions" that don't end with a question mark :).
20:56:39 <flo> *remembered
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21:00:59 <flo> Good evening/night! :)
21:01:28 <DGMurdockIII> later
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23:53:25 <Mic> flo: I had a quick glance over the irc log that was posted earlier
23:56:38 <Mic> I'm not sure if not some of the "lying" should be accounted to "misinterpretation of 'bad language'" (ofcourse not in the sense of cursing or so..) or "missing punctuation"