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00:02:57 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:04:50 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 00:06:27 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 00:06:53 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): instantbird is crashing alot latly 00:07:45 <DGMurdockIII> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/ is out of date 00:13:03 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 00:13:46 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 00:19:33 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 00:24:23 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 00:32:21 <-- Ornthalas has quit (Quit: KTHXBYE) 00:45:37 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 00:49:15 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 00:58:15 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 02:17:19 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 03:21:03 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 04:55:49 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 06:11:41 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 07:30:53 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 08:13:27 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 08:28:09 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 08:33:23 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:33:23 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:47:11 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 10:04:49 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 10:23:32 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 10:38:07 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:54:14 --> Wareczek has joined #instantbird 10:54:23 <-- Wareczek has left #instantbird () 11:52:52 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 11:56:32 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 11:56:46 <-- rikki has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 12:03:56 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 12:03:59 <-- Amfi has left #instantbird () 12:04:25 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 12:04:28 <-- Amfi has left #instantbird () 12:19:49 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 12:19:53 <-- Amfi has left #instantbird () 12:20:40 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 12:20:44 <-- Amfi has left #instantbird () 12:22:39 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 12:28:14 * tymerkaev thinks Amfi going away and back too often... 12:29:11 <Amfi> tymerkaev: Sorry, we were trying to enable localization in the latest nightly 12:29:29 <Amfi> In fact, it's possible even with the current brokem addons management :) 12:29:50 <tymerkaev> latest libpurple update may broke it 12:30:14 --> Wareczek has joined #instantbird 12:30:23 <tymerkaev> but addonsmgr support at least 'work' in Instantbird 12:31:14 <Amfi> It didn't work for me :) 12:38:45 <-- Wareczek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 12:43:10 <-- Andrey has quit (Ping timeout) 13:05:41 <flo> Amfi: what's the problem? 13:09:10 <Amfi> My bad. I've tried to install an addon that has not been prepared for 0.3, yet. 13:09:37 <Amfi> However, some kind of an error message would be useful here. 13:10:16 <flo> I'm not sure of how "work-in-progress" the new add-on manager still is, but there seems to be lots of details there that need to be polished 13:12:03 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 13:17:07 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 13:21:00 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 13:22:01 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 13:23:17 * tymerkaev fully agree with flo 13:30:30 <Mic> Is it always necessary to set the "general. .. .locale" setting to use a certain language pack? 13:31:54 <Mic> (ie there is no other way to do it (beside extensions maybe)) 13:37:36 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 13:40:21 <flo> I think it's still necessary 13:41:20 <Mic> hmm, then it's strange imo. Having downloadable language packs and no easy way to switch between them 13:42:19 <Mic> Maybe we should include a way to chose from all installed language packs on the options dialog? 13:42:34 <flo> I'm not sure, but I think it's possible to include default preference files in any add-on, and those override the default preferences set in the application files 13:42:46 <flo> so the preference may be added in the language pack 13:48:57 <Mic> What I wanted to get at: if you can have several language packs installed, then there should be a way to chose between them. 13:49:26 <Mic> Enabling/disabling language doesn't sound very convenient 13:49:31 <Mic> *language packs 13:50:40 <hicham> +1 for multilingual software 13:52:12 <flo> why do you need to have several languages installed at the same time? 13:54:56 <Mic> If there's no reason to do it then why can you? 13:55:12 <flo> because it's very useful for translators who need to test their translations 13:55:15 <hicham> it makes things easier from a distribution point of view, you don't have to offer separate downloads for various languages 13:55:41 <flo> hicham: everything is different on Linux ;) 13:56:00 <flo> hicham: (I mean... "everything" related to the way software is distributed) 13:57:23 <flo> Mic: there may be some very specific cases where multi-language applications are useful. One that comes to mind is public computers (library, ...) in countries that have several official languages. 13:58:40 <hicham> flo: even on other OSes 13:59:37 <flo> hicham: for other OSes, doubling (or more!) the size of the download, and having to decide in the first step of the install wizard which language to use is really a bad user experience 14:04:59 <Mic> Changing topic before I start trolling on this topic .. :P 14:05:20 <flo> Good idea. Multilang packages is a troll-friendly topic ;) 14:05:23 <Mic> There's an issue with Facebook buddies .. has someone else experienced this as well: 14:05:58 <Mic> It can happen that the same buddy appears several times in the buddy list 14:06:33 <Mic> I think it happens when you move the buddy away from the default group that it was in (?) 14:07:17 <Mic> After reconnect, it can appear in the default group and in the group you moved it to. Even stranger, it can happen that they have different statuses 14:07:31 <Mic> e.g. one being available and the other away 14:08:52 <flo> probably because the facebook XMPP gateway doesn't support moving buddies 14:17:48 <flo> that gateway seems to be very minimal 14:18:12 <flo> it even seems tempting to write a JS protocol plugin that does http requests to the website to get more capabilities... :-/ 14:31:09 <Mic> I guess they have a nice API for their web chat .. 14:37:38 <flo> I'm not sure if the API is nice, but it's all JSON over HTTP, so it should not be too hard to reverse engineer :) 14:53:26 <Mic> Seems to work fine to watch what's going on with a tool like httpFox 15:12:45 <-- hicham has quit (Quit: اÙسÙا٠عÙÙÙÙ ) 15:15:18 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 15:17:59 <tymerkaev> flo: I'm unable to add any buddy. libpurple bug? 15:18:16 <flo> only on a specific protocol? 15:37:06 <-- Andrey has quit (Ping timeout) 15:41:18 <-- zachlr has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:43:20 --> zachlr has joined #instantbird 15:44:10 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 533 filed by benediktp@ymail.com. 15:44:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Buddy list problems with Facebook chat 15:56:28 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 15:56:41 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 15:58:43 --> Andrey has joined #instantbird 16:07:09 <Mic> welcome Andrey 16:09:00 <Andrey> hi 16:14:40 <Mic> If there's anything you like to know or suggest, then just ask :) 16:20:19 <-- Andrey has quit (Client exited) 16:34:50 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 16:36:25 * Mic just read an article about nsCOMPtr's. Could have been about arcane magic and I wouldn't have noticed a difference :S 16:37:01 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 16:43:17 <tymerkaev> flo: icq 16:43:26 <tymerkaev> oscar 17:00:11 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 17:00:52 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 17:06:44 <clokep> Gah the description for bug 464 is pretty terrible. 17:06:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=464 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Impossible to change 'extra info' with an override protocol 17:10:26 <Mic> Do you think the description is so bad? I could understand complaints about the summary, though .. 17:10:58 <Mic> 'extra info' is anything but clear 17:11:30 <clokep> "Summary", sorry. Wasn't using Bugzilla terminology. :- 17:11:33 <clokep> :) 17:12:09 <clokep> I searched for a dupe before filing bug 532 cause I could have sworn we talked about it, that one came up in my search but From the Summary I assumed that it was totally unrelated. 17:12:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=532 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Disable "Join chat" for protocol overrides that don't support it (Facebook) 17:21:22 <clokep> But good call on the dupe. Apparently I need to read the bugs I find in my searches. ;) 17:28:18 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 17:34:53 <clokep> And you're welcome about the Tweak Bugzilla tweak....I find Bugzilla a lot more useful with it. 17:41:06 <DGMurdockIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_protocol 17:42:58 <Mic> It really is .. the inline display of changes to the bug is .. awesome 17:44:36 <clokep> Mic: The buddy list Facebook issues... 17:44:55 <clokep> What do you expect the behavior to be? 17:45:07 <DGMurdockIII> hey dose Jingle work with instant 17:45:09 <clokep> And wouldn't tags fix this since they won't attempt to change the server group? 17:45:14 <DGMurdockIII> instantbird 17:47:46 <Mic> The buddy should stay in the new group, not appear multiple times, especially not multiple times with different status' and behave properly in general ;) 17:50:40 <clokep> Oh I didn't realize the status' and all were different! 17:52:52 <Mic> Not necessarily, but they _can_ be 17:53:08 <Mic> can? could? 17:53:25 <DGMurdockIII> flo did you get my message that the nightly link post to outdated verson of nightly of instantbird 17:53:25 <Mic> I guess you know what I wanted to say 17:53:38 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): did you get my message that the nightly link post to outdated verson of nightly of instantbird 17:53:43 <clokep> "can" implies you have to ask for permission, 'could" means how everyone uses "can" ;) 17:53:54 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: There's a bug about that. ;) 17:53:57 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: this is a known bug 17:54:02 <DGMurdockIII> ok 17:54:18 <DGMurdockIII> why its taken so long to fix 17:54:53 * Mic fails to get the parent native window :S 17:57:03 <Mic> clokep: any ideas? http://pastebin.instantbird.com/419 17:58:04 <clokep> Mic: break that down and do each thing on a separate line to find where the real error occurs. 17:58:06 <Mic> A more friendly formatting: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/420 17:58:34 <Mic> It works until the last piece where I try to access "parentNativeWindow" 18:02:25 <Mic> flo: any ideas on this problem? 18:03:53 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 18:04:46 <clokep> It seeems to still exist: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/public/nsIBaseWindow.idl#177 ;) 18:04:58 <clokep> I had problems when trying to use that code before at that point though too Mic. 18:05:28 <Mic> I checked the existence in current code as well, as Mossop's page is about 1.9.* 18:05:56 <Mic> ok, I didn't know you got that far already .. took me a while since I never really tried doing such a thing 18:06:23 <Mic> but know I think I know how to transform such c code into javascript 18:06:28 <Mic> *now 18:07:53 <clokep> I vaguely feel like I read somewhere that you /can't/ get parentNativeWindow in JS for some reason. 18:12:01 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: That's an interesting article on Skype. 18:17:14 * clokep is wondering whether there could be a MathML textmodifier that automatically formats from equations in text. 18:25:38 <Mic> 20:21:06 - Ethan: you want the hWnd? 18:25:38 <Mic> 20:21:39 - Ethan: that's not accessible in javascript 18:25:39 <Mic> :( 18:27:38 <clokep> Yeah, sorry. 18:27:44 <clokep> You might be able to do it w/ js-cytpes? 18:29:02 <clokep> I have to get going, I'll be around tomorrow. 18:29:06 <clokep> Bye. 18:29:07 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 19:15:28 <DGMurdockIII> hey 19:15:54 <DGMurdockIII> has there been any progress on the my crashing bu 19:15:56 <DGMurdockIII> bug 19:16:34 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 19:22:59 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:09:14 <flo> DGMurdockIII: the only possible progress is you uninstall the crashing plugin. 20:10:24 <DGMurdockIII> what plugin would that be 20:10:40 <DGMurdockIII> becse there no mumble plugin 20:12:35 <DGMurdockIII> disable in add-on manger in instantbird or unstall it from the computer 20:13:29 <flo> uninstall mumble 20:13:42 <flo> or update it 20:13:56 <flo> or do whatever you need to get rid of the mumble .dll file that causes the crash 20:13:57 <DGMurdockIII> im using the lastest verson 20:15:39 <DGMurdockIII> a dev of mumble try to repudice the error and a user in the room tryed as well the dev could not get instantbird to crash but user did 20:16:37 <flo> Mic: what happens when you try to use parentNativeWindow? 20:16:42 <flo> which error? 20:19:07 <Mic> one moment please 20:19:16 <Mic> Something like attribute not found 20:20:53 <flo> I get "reference to undefined property" on my mac debug build 20:21:24 <Mic> yes, exactly this is it 20:21:25 <flo> I suspect the [noscript] of the attribute is implied because the typedef voidPtr nativeWindow; may not be scriptable. 20:21:55 <Mic> Not very discoverable :S 20:22:29 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): or could you go too the mumble chaanel on the freenode irc server #mumble 20:23:03 <flo> Mic: or maybe it's because of "[ptr] native voidPtr(void);" in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nsrootidl.idl#78 20:23:07 <flo> DGMurdockIII: no. 20:23:17 <flo> except if I have a good reason to do so. 20:23:30 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): the dev that could not get it to crash was asking mestuff about instantbird i did not know the answer to 20:23:51 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): that the reason why 20:24:19 <flo> ok, I'm there. Can you pastebin the relevant part of the conversation please? 20:24:46 <DGMurdockIII> yeah just a sec 20:24:51 <flo> I won't stay online very long though. 20:25:14 <flo> Mic: yeah, it's very obscure ;) 20:31:21 <flo> DGMurdockIII: why don't you use Instantbird for IRC? It logs conversations ;) 20:35:15 <DGMurdockIII> got just a sec 20:39:06 <DGMurdockIII> http://pastebin.com/8JCdL47A 20:39:11 <DGMurdockIII> there it is 20:40:07 <DGMurdockIII> pcgod is the dev in that 20:40:12 <DGMurdockIII> log 20:44:45 <DGMurdockIII> http://pastebin.com/fGp8reJ6 20:45:15 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): dose that help 20:46:35 <flo> there's no question about Instantbird there 20:46:57 <DGMurdockIII> yes 20:47:19 <flo> "they told me they would have tryed to make a temp patch in instantbird till it fixed in mumble" This is something you have made up... 20:47:21 <DGMurdockIII> (but directwrite also doesn't work for me in instantbird) 20:47:50 <flo> I don't know what it's supposed to do 20:48:59 <DGMurdockIII> that why i wanted u to join the the mumble channel 20:49:28 <DGMurdockIII> i no it it mumble causing ib to crash hen im not using mumblke 20:49:31 <flo> you wanted me to join to answer questions that have not been asked? 20:49:46 <DGMurdockIII> instantbird dose not crash 20:50:01 <flo> you are wasting my time. 20:51:04 <DGMurdockIII> why becouse im trying to just help get a bug fixed 20:51:47 <DGMurdockIII> you really arnt helping me find out if it is mumble causing the problem 20:52:49 <flo> 1. It is causing the problem and it's *obvious*. I don't need to "help" you to figure it out. 20:52:59 <flo> 2. You have lied on several occasion on this topic. 20:53:42 <DGMurdockIII> then why cant you fix it 20:55:32 <DGMurdockIII> then what do i need to do to so you can fix it 20:55:57 <flo> It's not a bug in Instantbird. We won't fix it. 20:56:11 <DGMurdockIII> k 20:56:32 <flo> and I wish I had remember earlier today that I once decided I was no longer going to reply to "questions" that don't end with a question mark :). 20:56:39 <flo> *remembered 20:59:00 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 21:00:59 <flo> Good evening/night! :) 21:01:28 <DGMurdockIII> later 21:01:43 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 21:03:26 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 21:03:48 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Ping timeout) 23:34:09 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:43:04 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:53:25 <Mic> flo: I had a quick glance over the irc log that was posted earlier 23:56:38 <Mic> I'm not sure if not some of the "lying" should be accounted to "misinterpretation of 'bad language'" (ofcourse not in the sense of cursing or so..) or "missing punctuation"