#instantbird log on 10 01 2010

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08:04:29 <Mic> Good morning
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08:50:57 <iLobster_> Greetings
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08:53:33 <iLobster_> Do anyone have problems with last nightly (win32)? I can not open any conversation window, only get tons of errors in error console...
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09:19:52 <mokush> Mic: hey, any news on the invisible addon?
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12:05:52 <flo> Hello :)
12:06:36 <Andrey> q
12:07:10 <hicham> morning
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12:27:29 <clokep> That bug report is very confusing about whether he's talking about Tb integration or a server-client mirroring, right? Its not just me? :-\
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12:31:43 <flo> sounds more like a mailing list discussion than a bug report ;)
12:32:28 <clokep> From the first one I figured it would very specifically about Tb integration which is why I went off in the sync direction, but now he's talking about this server/client stuff. :P I got very confused.
12:33:31 <Mic> flo: concerning bug 484: I'll do the binary diff from command line and check if it can be applied before attaching it then
12:33:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 enh, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, Changed icons for Options dialog
12:34:25 <flo> Mic: I suspect what broke some of your binary diffs was Windows line endings (it's changed automatically by the patch command inside text diffs, but it cannot fix it inside a binary blob)
12:34:28 <flo> I'm not sure though
12:34:48 <Mic> ok, gtg back to lab now
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13:20:34 <clokep> I'm also get blank conversation windows on win32 nightly, revered though since I don't have time to investigate.
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14:27:26 <flo> we really need that "do not save password" feature
14:31:25 <flo> it's the second time in 2 days that I add an account on a computer that is not mine for a demo of Instantbird
14:31:31 <flo> yesterday I removed the account before leaving
14:31:34 <flo> today I forgot... :(
14:31:39 <flo> got to change the password...
14:34:42 <flo> ah, the failure of our mac nightly this night may not be random after all, Seamonkey has a similar problem in bug 601113
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15:04:51 <flo> iLobster_, clokep: any step to reproduce the issue?
15:05:09 <flo> I've just downloaded a current windows nightly and it worked fine in my virtual machine
15:05:28 <flo> if you could pastebin the first related error of the error console it would be helpful
15:05:49 <flo> also, is the problem with using a message theme that has been installed as an add-on?
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15:36:17 <clokep> flo: I don't have any message themes.
15:36:23 <clokep> I'll pastebin errors for you in a minute.
15:36:48 <iLobster> flo: not sure it's possible, i've uninstalled Instantbird, deleted profile and reinstall Instantbird
15:37:10 <iLobster> flo: and now it's working fine
15:37:43 <clokep> flo: I haven't done that. So I'm gonna update again and check it out.
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15:41:18 <clokep> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/410
15:41:40 <clokep> Top half is errors of my standard profile, the second half is in safe mode.
15:43:33 <iLobster> my errors was similar, there were too words about Component does not have requested interface arg
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15:46:23 <flo> the first error seems to be from http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/widgets/editor.xml#102
15:46:29 <iLobster> and too, there were no special extra skins or themes in my case, only one theme that i'm use for a long time is Simple theme from options
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15:47:25 <flo> I've no idea of what can have caused that
15:47:41 <flo> except maybe bad luck and checking out a bad revision of mozilla-central on the windows build machine
15:48:00 <flo> but it's strange that you add it after upgrading and not after reinstalling with a clean profile
15:48:04 <clokep> I'll try again tomorrow, I don't think I'm missing any upgrades for Instantbird. :)
15:48:15 <flo> is the build id from today?
15:48:30 <clokep> It was the newest one...
15:48:31 * flo wonders if we should stop the updates to that build
15:48:52 <flo> maybe I should try to download the previous nightly and update to today, to see if the update is what breaks it
15:48:56 <clokep> 20101001041542 :)
15:49:08 <flo> ok, today :)
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15:51:48 <clokep> flo: Did you happen to see that conversation Mic and I had last night about including a JS module from a Component?
15:52:06 <flo> yes, but I haven't understood the problem
15:52:27 <flo> isn't it what all JS protocol plugins already do?
15:52:51 <clokep> OK, when I included something like "resource ircjs /modules" in my chrome.manifest, it tells me that the path doesn't exist when I do Cu.import("resource://ircjs/....somemodule.jsm")
15:53:08 <clokep> I think the difference is including one from the app directly and from a "custom" path of the extension.
15:54:37 <flo> have you decided "ircjs" as a resource alias somewhere before calling that code?
15:55:12 <clokep> In my chrome.manifest I added it.
15:55:25 <clokep> Is there something I'm supposed to do besides that? :)
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15:59:32 <iLobster> flo: can not reproduce it, all working fine after update from yesterday's build to curent.
16:00:07 <flo> ok, thanks for trying! :)
16:00:15 <flo> I won't try the same then :)
16:04:32 <iLobster> hmm... bingo!
16:04:52 <iLobster> done it on another computer
16:05:21 * flo cleans up an old workaround and has a nice diffstat of  9 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 63 deletions(-)
16:05:41 <clokep> iLobster? You cleared your whole profile or just pieces?
16:06:28 <iLobster> flo: no, i've remembered that i have nonupdated yesterday's build on my notebook
16:07:41 <iLobster> and after "partial" (smallsize) update i have that errors and nonworking conversation windows
16:08:31 <flo> so the breakage would come from the update?
16:08:54 <clokep> Maybe I should try an uninstall/reinstall and see if that works?
16:09:14 <flo> save both the profile and the install directory before
16:09:19 <flo> so that we can compare ;)
16:09:34 <iLobster> may problem be in "partial" update?
16:09:39 <flo> maybe
16:11:26 <clokep> Will do flo.
16:11:37 <flo> thanks
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16:13:08 <clokep> OK, gonna do this. Bbs.
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16:15:18 <clokep> flo: Working.
16:15:30 <clokep> (Did not clobber my profile first.)
16:17:05 <clokep> How do you want me to compare these directories?
16:19:48 <flo> hmm, I don't know :-S.
16:19:57 <flo> if you where on a Linux machine I would say 
16:20:13 <flo> find . -exec md5sum {} \; > file
16:20:36 <flo> do that in each build, and diff the 2 files to see which files are different
16:20:41 <flo> but on Windows I don't know
16:20:46 <clokep> Hmm....let me think.
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16:23:37 <clokep> fc doesn't work on directories it seems.
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16:26:26 <clokep> flo: I think I have a way, one second.
16:26:37 <iLobster> partial updates all are failed for me now, and after full update all working fine
16:27:25 <flo> failed in the sense that it doesn't work, the old application restarts and downloads a full update, or failed in the sense that it produces a broken application directory?
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16:27:45 <iLobster>  the old application restarts and downloads a full update
16:30:30 <clokep> flo: I have some sort of comparison....Idk if you want to see it, its long. :)
16:30:56 <flo> it it's in a text format you can pastebin it :)
16:31:44 <iLobster> "the partial Update could not be applied. Instantbird will try again by downloading a complete Update"
16:32:19 <clokep> I'm gonna see if i can pull just file names out...
16:33:03 <iLobster> it's bad that i did not backup profile before i updated that install on my notebook =(
16:35:36 <clokep> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/411
16:37:15 <flo> reading a zip file inside a zip file is confusing :-/
16:38:01 <flo> clokep: have you compared before and after the update, or after a failed update and after a successful update?
16:38:34 <clokep> flo: I'll try it this afternoon. Class now. Job fair afterward.
16:38:52 <flo> ok, good afternoon
16:39:23 <clokep> I'm not going anywhere. ;) Just saying I can't do the diff right now.
16:43:55 <flo> cool, I think I have a fix for the "newly installed message theme don't work" issue
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16:47:36 <clokep> Work with the buddy list going well? ;)
16:49:29 <flo> I've had less than an hour to dedicate to it today
16:49:54 <flo> but I'm at a point where I need to change purpleIAccount::loadBuddy to make it work with my new code
16:50:23 <flo> and move my AccountBuddy implementation to jsProtoHelper
16:51:49 <flo> here is my fix: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/412
16:52:02 <clokep> Good thing I havne't gotten around to writing AccountBuddy yet. ;)
16:52:38 <clokep> That seems pretty confusing I agree.
16:53:34 <flo> the surprising thing is... once I had understood how the API is supposed to work, my fix worked at the first attempt!
16:53:52 <flo> (I had put lots of debug dumps in there... but it wasn't even necessary :))
16:58:04 <flo> I'm looking for something to post on the blog today
16:58:39 <flo> if I'm out of idea, I may write something about version numbers. Saying that the debate is back with the recent fennec announcement, and that we have thought about it too when releasing 0.2
16:59:15 <flo> because we thought it was about halfway through the road of making Instantbird what we would like it to be, and it could have been named 0.5
16:59:29 <flo> it's not very interesting :-/
16:59:47 <iLobster> well, i have only copy of program directory and copy of profile directory that are after partial update and not working, and i have md5 checksums of working and nonworking program directory and profile directory
17:00:09 <iLobster> *checksums of flies in that directories
17:00:47 <iLobster> so many digits in that checksums...
17:01:19 <clokep> flo: Maybe write one about where we're going, what the plan is for 0.3?
17:01:21 <clokep> If there is a plan. ;)
17:01:35 <flo> that requires making a plan ;)
17:02:15 <flo> I'm afraid of announcing release dates in advance because I know we have been terribly bad at respecting our estimations in the past
17:02:34 <clokep> Not a release date.
17:02:38 <clokep> I meant like feature plan?
17:02:38 <flo> I would like us to release a first alpha of 0.3 by the end of october
17:02:44 <flo> but I don't know  what will be in there
17:02:53 <clokep> OK.
17:02:55 <flo> I would like JS proto to be usable, and twitter to be implemented and based on it
17:03:10 <clokep> Hmm....OK.
17:03:19 <clokep> That'd probably be a good alpha.
17:03:26 <flo> but I've no estimation of the work needed to have a decent UI for integrating twitter
17:04:05 <iLobster> do i need to post that checksums somewhere?
17:04:13 <flo> will anybody get upset at me if I rename almost all the xpcom interfaces we have from purpleI<something> to imI<something> ?
17:04:30 <clokep> "instant messaging"?
17:04:44 <clokep> I won't get made. :)
17:04:47 <flo> iLobster: if you have interesting data, yes, post them somewhere.
17:04:49 <clokep> s/made/mad/
17:05:18 <flo> that would break all the existing add-ons :-X
17:05:27 <flo> yes, im = Instant Messaging
17:05:37 <clokep> Wouldn't it only break ones that use that? I don' tknow how many do...?
17:05:45 <flo> I don't think we should use "ib" for things that are part of the core and could be used with a different UI on top of it
17:06:23 <clokep> Makes sense. im probablym akes more sense than purple since purple is libpurple, not from the libpurple guys.
17:06:45 <flo> yeah, the "purple" prefix was apparently confusing
17:07:01 <flo> my plan is to use "im" as the prefix of all the interfaces that can be used without libpurple
17:07:06 <clokep> Thunderbird is starting to use Mailnews:: for their class prefix ;)
17:07:23 <clokep> Ohhh, so stuff we can use from jsProto, etc. :)
17:07:25 <clokep> I like it.
17:07:44 <clokep> Do it now then instead of at like version 42.
17:07:57 <flo> in the future (alpha 2? :)) I would like to load libpurple plugins lazily (load the plugins only when we need to connect an account or show the account wizard)
17:08:12 <flo> so that we don't pay a startup cost for initializing plugins that are not used by the user
17:08:22 <clokep> :)
17:08:31 <clokep> Yeah, that Gadu-Gadu is slowing me down.
17:08:37 <flo> probably not
17:08:49 <flo> but XMPP is doing some strange stuff with an XML file in the profile at startup
17:09:01 <flo> for people who use neither XMPP nor Gmail/facebook, that's stupid
17:09:49 <flo> the change would also reduce the crashing potential of poorly coded libpurple plugins: they would not be loaded at all until we request the connection of an account using it
17:10:11 <clokep> Seems like a lot of wins, is there any downside?
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17:10:33 <flo> maybe we could even initialize libpurple lazily, so that it's not initialized at all if we use only JS protocols
17:11:14 <flo> bah... the downside is I would need to rewrite from scratch the way libpurple handles plugins... so that it doesn't handle them anymore and we can just hand it the plugin we want it to load when we want it.
17:11:46 <clokep> Good luck!
17:11:56 <flo> I would also like each libpurple account to have a separate buddy list
17:12:12 <flo> so that a protocol plugin cannot mess with the buddies of other accounts
17:12:22 <flo> that seems tricky to do though :-/
17:12:57 <flo> but it would be a great step in the direction of having each connected libpurple account in a separate process! :)
17:13:10 * flo would love that :-D
17:13:56 <clokep> That'd be pretty amazing, get rid of most crashes I'd guess.
17:14:10 <flo> all the non-mozilla crashes, yes
17:14:40 <flo> "Warning: the plugin crashed!" :)
17:15:28 <clokep> And we'd be able to reload it and reconnect, right?
17:15:40 <flo> sure
17:15:50 <flo> in a new process, without any memory corruption
17:16:01 <flo> security++ :)
17:16:36 <flo> ok, not a good time for dreaming
17:16:47 <flo> I should commit my fixes and go home! :)
17:17:32 <clokep> goodnight!
17:18:03 <flo> heh, it's only 7pm
17:18:52 <clokep> Its only 1:00 here, feels late to me. :)
17:21:27 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 532 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
17:21:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=532 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Disable "Join chat" for protocol overrides that don't support it (Facebook)
17:22:03 <iLobster> well, that is it http://pastebin.instantbird.com/413
17:22:40 <iLobster> rest of files have same checksums in broken and in working "versions"
17:26:13 <iLobster> i'll try to check what is different inside omni.jar
17:27:28 <flo> that's interesting (that omni.jar is different)
17:30:23 <flo> this log contains the details of what happened when generating the partial mars
17:30:39 <flo> some of the partial mar have this line: "skipping diff: omni.jar"
17:31:00 <flo> I'm not sure why there's this message (is it that there are too many differences and it took a complete version of the new file?)
17:37:28 <flo> I think a failed update of omni.jar would explain the error messages that clokep pasted earlier
17:37:50 <iLobster> 5 files have different checksums
17:40:00 <iLobster> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/414
17:42:06 <flo> instantbird.xpt may explain it
17:42:46 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3cc726a6d73d - Florian Quèze - Remove the setBaseURI workaround now that bug 209275 is fixed.
17:42:47 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ad605dabe55e - Florian Quèze - Add more locales in the list in the script converting libpurple locale files.
17:42:48 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ad88e44b2d14 - Florian Quèze - Fix reading the list of variants of message themes that are not unpacked (jar file inside an xpi file).
17:42:49 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/1854ea3a02b9 - Florian Quèze - Better fix to keep building ppc/i386 universal builds on OSX (copied the fix from bug 599796).
17:42:50 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/1894c75781ac - Florian Quèze - Fix the Mac universal build bustage caused by bug 543800.
17:46:40 <clokep> Bye!
17:46:47 <flo> heh :)
17:46:53 <flo> just when I was about to say "good evening" ;)
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17:50:49 <iLobster> comparing data inside instantbird.xpt show many diffs and it (data) looks very complex for me, very very complex...
17:51:17 <flo> it's a binary file so I don't know if it's possible to really compare it
17:51:30 <iLobster> ok
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17:57:24 <iLobster> then I'll go back to the ryzom
17:57:41 <flo> Good evening
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20:30:08 <flo> wow, for about one second there was the "mobile" status icon on the sand.mozilla.org irc tab
20:47:27 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): instansbird just crased becoused it was going to pop up the message that there is a update avabilibe
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21:02:51 <DGMurdockIII> instantbird just crashed again
21:04:41 <clokep> Do you have IDs?
21:06:02 <DGMurdockIII> hwhat the command to get the error report again
21:06:18 <clokep> openDialog("about:crashes");
21:06:47 <DGMurdockIII> did not work
21:07:10 <clokep> One second.
21:07:18 <DGMurdockIII> Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component does not have requested interface arg 0 [nsIContainerBoxObject.docShell]" nsresult: "0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://global/content/bindings/general.xml :: get_docShell :: line 0" data: no]
21:07:21 <clokep> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526
21:07:23 <instantbot> Bug 526 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide UI to open about:crashes and about:support
21:07:50 <clokep> I have to go.
21:07:51 <clokep> 'night.
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21:08:44 <flo> DGMurdockIII: that is a "known" problem. Probably a failed update
21:08:55 <DGMurdockIII> k
21:08:59 <flo> if you download a "new nightly" it will probably work
21:09:08 <DGMurdockIII> ok
21:09:23 <DGMurdockIII> but what about instantbird crashing
21:09:39 <flo> clokep asked you if you have crash IDs
21:09:46 <DGMurdockIII> that error i posted i got when i did openDialog("about:crashes");
21:10:02 <flo> fix that error first then...
21:10:27 <DGMurdockIII> http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/bp-f52857eb-15c2-45f2-9226-055be2100928
21:12:04 <flo> DGMurdockIII: that's mumble_ol.dll
21:12:15 <DGMurdockIII> so downloading a new nightly will let me run the command openDialog("about:crashes");
21:13:12 <DGMurdockIII> but it making instantbird crash
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21:49:30 <flo> Good night
21:52:30 <DGMurdockIII> later
21:52:34 <DGMurdockIII> man
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