#instantbird log on 09 28 2010

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01:49:28 <clokep> I think we should patch the dictionary to add Instantbird as a word. :)
01:52:05 <DGMurdockIII> please
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08:43:45 <flo> Good morning :)
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10:59:58 <Mic> hello, btw
11:07:22 <flo> Amfi: I'm already aware of the problem on the language pack builder. Will try to fix it today ;).
11:08:03 <Amfi> I will be grateful for that.
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12:33:04 <flo> I think I should start including a link to the l10n FAQ in each email where I send a password for a new translator.
12:35:06 <clokep> New locale? :)
12:35:19 <flo> I always get the same questions ;)
12:35:31 <flo> "the files are already translated, I've nothing to do"
12:35:57 <clokep> You should probably include a brief explanation of that we include the libpurple files already. ;)
12:36:01 <clokep> Right in the email.
12:36:21 <flo> sending information in the email invites a reply in the email, which I would rather avoid
12:36:30 <flo> except if someone else takes care of them
12:36:41 <clokep> Hmm...then link the FAQ and invite to IRC. :)
12:38:03 <clokep> Or randomly choose someone's email to spoof the from field from. ;)
12:40:19 <flo> the replyto field is nice too :)
12:40:30 <flo> I don't know how to use it from gmail though
12:40:51 <flo> anyway, the more time passes, the more I think the contact mailing list should be public and english only
12:41:47 <hicham> yes, I agree on that
12:42:02 <hicham> localized MLs make communication harder
12:42:22 <flo> it's not really "localized"
12:42:54 <flo> it's just that it's currently the historical core team, which happens to only be composed of french speaking people
12:43:39 <flo> but as some people here and who are not in the list contribute more than people who are in the list, and the list nowadays is almost only used for support requests and random contacts from possible new contributors...
12:43:47 <flo> the current setup doesn't make much sense anymore
12:47:11 <clokep> Are most support requests in English?
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13:18:42 <flo> yes
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15:22:46 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/406 does this make sense as a the new XPCOM interfaces for the buddy list?
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15:31:47 <clokep> flo: My brief look over it looks OK, but I'm not super familiar with the current blist interface. :)
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15:33:04 <clokep> I'll  be back.
15:33:18 <flo> I probably won't be back here before tomorrow
15:33:20 <flo> good evening :)
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15:38:31 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5ce96590e512 - Florian Quèze - Fix the build after the mozilla-central switch to i368/x86_64 universal builds on Mac (revert to ppc/i386 builds for now).
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17:16:31 <Moss> evening all :)
17:18:08 <clokep> Hello Moss.
17:19:30 <clokep> Not sure if there's many people actually in here right now. :-\
17:20:40 <Moss> just came here to take a look, actually annoying the nice people in #firefoxy
17:20:44 <Moss> firefox
17:21:25 <clokep> Ah, OK. :)
17:23:51 <Moss> I may try the newest nightly of instantbird though. Though I'm not exactly sure how much I like progs coded in xul apart from Fx and Tb
17:27:21 <clokep> Have you not tried Instantbird?
17:27:39 <clokep> I admit on Linux its a little ugly, but it looks nice on Windows & Mac (much nicer than Pidgin at least!)
17:28:09 <Moss> clokep: only a while back. :)
17:28:28 <clokep> Ah, well 0.2 looks much nicer! :)
17:28:47 <clokep> And the nightlies are working stably right now.
17:29:00 <Moss> is there a portable version?
17:29:53 <clokep> Moss: For Windows? There's a zip version, which is mostly portable. It might write a few values to the registry, I don't remember.
17:30:10 <Moss> found it. :)
17:30:18 <clokep> Someone around here had a portable version, not sure what happened to it (there isn't a portable apps version...)
17:31:19 <clokep> Well let us  know what you think when you try it out. :)
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17:32:40 <Moss> it's looks rather spartan
17:32:52 <clokep> I'm not sure what you mean by that.
17:32:53 <clokep> Hey Mic1.
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17:33:25 <Moss> well, very reduced, not a lot of settings, not sure about how much functionality it provides right out of the box
17:33:35 <Mic> Hi
17:33:49 <clokep> I would check out the extensions (https://addons.instantbird.org)
17:39:23 <clokep> Moss: I think it has a pretty good amount of options, but if there's some that are missing we'd like to hear about it. :)
17:40:32 <Mic> clokep: anything looks ugly on Linux btw :P
17:40:35 <Moss> clokep: is there a way to look at the user infos of my contacts? I seem to be blind to that in the current nightly
17:40:55 <Moss> micahg: KDE 4 and e17 disagree ;)
17:40:57 <clokep> Moss: Most over their name, the tooltip should have it.
17:41:03 <clokep> *Mouse over.
17:41:33 <Mic> clokep: some services have far more detailed user infos
17:41:46 <Mic> Take ICQ for example, you can set first name, last name, adress, ...
17:41:53 <Moss> clokep: I'd love to have the ability to copy their details. For example to paste email adress into a mail prog
17:41:57 <clokep> It doesn't work in chats yet though Moss (participant lists).
17:42:16 <clokep> Moss: That would probably make sense. :)
17:43:06 <Moss> seems like the addon manager does not like me either ;)
17:44:11 <Mic> What's wrong? It should be working since a few nightlies.
17:44:38 <clokep> Yes, working fo rme Mic.
17:44:41 <Moss> it's blank for me
17:44:48 <clokep> Do you have the latest version?
17:45:08 <Moss> it should be, but I can try again
17:45:42 <Moss> hah, it wasn't
17:46:04 <clokep> It'll only work in the past few nightlies.
17:46:05 <Moss> sorry, error on my part
17:47:00 <Moss> that's what I get for having the attention span of a hummingbird with too much caffeine in the blood
17:47:15 <Moss> works now
17:48:16 <clokep> :)
17:48:37 <clokep> Mic does not being able to copy the buddy info information sound like we have a bug on that?
17:48:47 <clokep> I don't think so, but you'd know better. ;)
17:48:53 <Mic> We don't have a bug on this
17:49:45 <clokep> Unfortunately they're tooltips though, mmm...I'll file a bug and see what flo thinks.
17:49:52 <clokep> I have to go back to my apartment. I'll be back soon.
17:50:27 <Mic> And I'll try to finally update Buddy Status
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17:56:03 <Moss> the diff textstyle really made me chuckle
17:56:25 <Moss> sounds like something to try during boring CCNA sessions.
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18:10:57 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 525 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
18:11:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Buddy info is non-interactive
18:11:21 <clokep> Moss: bug 525 I filed for not being able to get that stuff out.
18:11:35 <Moss> awesomecakes
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18:23:11 <clokep> Any other issues you've encounter Moss? :)
18:23:31 <clokep> (The buddy list is actually being rewritten right now, not sure how much will change in the UI though.)
18:24:41 <Moss> hmm, hard to say
18:25:17 <Moss> haven't done all that much with it yet
18:25:43 <clokep> Well if you do please let us know/file bugs. :)
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18:55:52 <Mic> Restartlessness for Buddy Status has been cancelled .. after reading http://adblockplus.org/blog/how-many-hacks-does-it-take-to-make-your-extension-install-without-a-restart I think it is not worth the trouble
18:57:00 <clokep> Personally I don't care about restartlessness. :)
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19:02:10 <Moss> would be nice for themes though ;)
19:03:07 <clokep> I think Message Styles will do it eventually when flo gets around to it.
19:03:47 <Moss> somehow minimize to tray doesn't seem to be particularly willing to be installed. bummer.
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19:04:41 <clokep> Moss: It doesn't work any Mozilla2 product AFAIK.
19:05:08 <Moss> which makes me a sad panda
19:05:36 <Moss> I'm used to minimize my messenger progs to the tray or similar places depending on OS
19:05:54 <clokep> Its a frequently requested item.
19:06:16 * Mic wonders if cursewords in the em:bootstrapped tag of install.rdf evaluate to false ..?
19:06:45 <clokep> Usually (anything except false) == true
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19:19:38 <Mic> Having to reinstall addons to test during development sucks :S
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19:57:35 <clokep> Mic: Its a hell of a lot easier now that the add ons manager works. :)
19:58:29 <Mic> Still.. I was developing unpacked in the global extension folder which is quite ok imo
19:59:11 <Mic> Solution: use latest release instead of nightlies ;)
19:59:46 <clokep> I developer in a directory I hvae on my computer called mozilla and you can just put files in profiledir/extensions/ that point to the folders you want to include as extensions
20:00:03 <clokep> So you can keep them unpacked, although its not in the global extension folder, its not in your profile either.
20:49:25 <Mic> /e has fixed double notifications on BUddy Status finally
20:49:32 <Mic> *Buddy Status
20:49:42 <clokep> */me? ;)
20:50:12 <Mic> let me post a fixed message ..
20:50:13 <clokep> Blank add-ons window finally has a patch. :) But won't come out until they roll out beta 7 so probably another week.
20:50:20 * Mic has fixed double notifications on Buddy Status finally.
20:50:56 <clokep> :)
20:51:23 <Mic> The delay is rather long at the moment but that might change
20:51:35 <clokep> Why delay?
20:51:37 <Mic> I'm delaying notifications for three seconds at the moment
20:52:01 <Mic> because I don't know in advance if there's another notification coming
20:52:26 <clokep> Is it two of the same notification?
20:52:48 <Mic> It is about notifications for the same buddy
20:53:01 <clokep> Ohhh OK.
20:53:50 <Mic> Eventually it should even discard certain combinations like signed-off followed by signed-on
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21:01:05 <Mic> Contacts will be great, hopefully
21:01:34 <Mic> It will help to avoid multiple notifications if the same user is in the list several times
21:02:38 <clokep> :)
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21:51:04 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com added attachment 360 to bug 484.
21:51:05 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from idechix@instantbird .org for attachment 360 on bug 484.
21:51:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 enh, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, Changed icons for Options dialog
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21:58:58 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from idechix@instantbird .org for attachment 345 on bug 484.
21:58:59 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from idechix@instantbird .org for attachment 355 on bug 484.
21:59:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 enh, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, Changed icons for Options dialog
22:00:33 <clokep> Not the gnomeish one yet?
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22:04:52 <Mic> I just posted a comment on them
22:06:02 <clokep> :P
22:07:56 <Mic> I think I managed to match the look of the icons with the rest of the themes, so let's hope that they are fine now. Would be one bug less in my list ;)
22:14:45 <DGMurdockIII> i thnk instantbird is crashing when someone is sending me a im and im not looking at the im window
22:15:24 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Not happening to me.
22:15:33 <clokep> You could check the log though to see if you missed an IM?
22:15:35 <clokep> Do you have crash IDs?
22:15:35 <DGMurdockIII> it just crashing at random tme if it crashes again i will put in the info what instandbird windows where open
22:16:06 <DGMurdockIII> where do i see the im logs
22:16:33 <clokep> Right click on the user > View logs...
22:16:39 <clokep> Cause the log viewer is crappy right now. :(
22:17:15 <DGMurdockIII> (5:21:14 PM) Bjorn2404 has gone away.
22:17:15 <DGMurdockIII> (5:21:14 PM) Bjorn2404 has become idle.
22:17:15 <DGMurdockIII> (5:24:11 PM) Bjorn2404 is no longer away.
22:17:15 <DGMurdockIII> (5:24:11 PM) Bjorn2404 is no longer idle.
22:17:34 <DGMurdockIII> i think that is what casued me to crashed
22:17:40 <DGMurdockIII> those messages
22:18:55 <DGMurdockIII> i dont have the crash id
22:19:44 <DGMurdockIII> but if you could find one of the crash i sent and tell me the date and time you it was sent i thnk i can tell you if that is exzatly it
22:20:22 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: here's what you can do:
22:20:43 <Mic> Open the error console (Buddy list -> Tools -> Errorconsole)
22:20:48 <clokep> openDialog("about:crashes")
22:20:49 <DGMurdockIII> or one of you can send me a im then change stat message
22:21:10 <Mic> Copy the following piece into the input box and press enter
22:21:11 <Mic> openDialog("about:crashes")
22:21:15 <DGMurdockIII> Could not read chrome manifest file 'C:\Users\Donnie\Downloads\instantbird-0.2b2pre.en-US.win32\instantbird\extensions\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}\chrome.manifest'.
22:21:23 <DGMurdockIII> CoCreateInstance() FAILED.
22:21:26 <Mic> It will open a dialog with a list of all crashes
22:21:34 <DGMurdockIII> Direct3D 9 DeviceManager Initialized Succesfully.
22:21:34 <DGMurdockIII> Driver: nvd3dum.dll
22:21:34 <DGMurdockIII> Description: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
22:21:34 <DGMurdockIII> Version:
22:22:16 <DGMurdockIII> http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/bp-f52857eb-15c2-45f2-9226-055be2100928
22:22:41 <Mic> If you have longer pieces to paste, please use http://pastebin.instantbird.com/ by the way
22:23:15 <DGMurdockIII> ok
22:23:33 <DGMurdockIII> say somthing to do with mumble
22:24:25 <DGMurdockIII> ose that crasah report help
22:25:05 <Mic> Maybe? ;)
22:26:26 <DGMurdockIII> http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/bp-0b0c01ec-4e27-42c9-9654-75b262100914
22:26:33 <DGMurdockIII> that the oldest one
22:26:50 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 526 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
22:26:52 <DGMurdockIII> from this crash
22:26:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide UI to open about:crashes and about:support
22:28:33 <DGMurdockIII> just add a crash tab to error console the dose the comand automatticaly show crashes if there are any to display
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22:36:45 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 527 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
22:36:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=527 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Customize about:support with Instantbird/libpurple specific information
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22:44:12 <DGMurdockIII> mic
22:44:59 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Mic2): i figered out what it is when i talk on mumble it make instantbird crash
22:44:59 <DGMurdockIII> 2(micahg2): i figered out what it is when i talk on mumble it make instantbird crash
22:45:47 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: What is mumble?
22:46:12 <DGMurdockIII> its a open source voip program like teamspeak
22:46:36 <DGMurdockIII> http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
22:46:39 <clokep> Ohhhh.
22:46:42 <DGMurdockIII> or vent
22:46:43 <clokep> And there's an addon for Instantbird?
22:46:51 <DGMurdockIII> no there not
22:47:00 <clokep> Weird.
22:47:01 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: do you think you could file a bug about this?
22:47:12 <DGMurdockIII> but dose instantbird use any rendering
22:47:23 <DGMurdockIII> like direcx or opengl
22:47:29 <DGMurdockIII> directx
22:48:50 <Mic> Yes
22:49:03 <DGMurdockIII> yess i will file a report and post a link to the mumble verson im using
22:49:15 <DGMurdockIII> there a mumble channel on freenode
22:49:47 <DGMurdockIII> the people on there are very helpfull and the dev on there as well
22:49:57 <Mic> The Mozilla2 platform uses D2D even though I don't know if it uses it to render chrome..
22:50:16 <DGMurdockIII> ok
22:50:32 <DGMurdockIII> well then it could be that the mumble has a overlay
22:51:05 <DGMurdockIII> and it will autodectect anythink that using opengl or directx
22:51:19 <clokep> Looks like it is Mic.
22:51:27 <clokep> gfx.direct2d.disabled is set to false for me.
22:52:09 <DGMurdockIII> i will post a bug and also see if i can get one of the mumble devs to try this out unless you guys want to talk to them
22:52:56 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Attempt changing gfx.direct2d.disabled to true and try it if you think its a d2d problem. :)
22:53:08 <clokep> Otherwise, definitely file a bug and talk to them and cross link any bug reports. ;)
22:57:25 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 528 filed by dgmurdockiii@gmail.com.
22:57:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, mumble crashes instantbird
22:57:53 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep2): i did that and it did not do anything
22:58:58 <DGMurdockIII> Could not read chrome manifest file 'C:\Users\Donnie\Downloads\instantbird-0.2b2pre.en-US.win32\instantbird\extensions\{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}\chrome.manifest'.
22:59:17 <DGMurdockIII> Error: gfx is not defined
22:59:17 <DGMurdockIII> Source File: javascript:%20gfx.direct2d
22:59:17 <DGMurdockIII> Line: 1
22:59:35 <Mic> oh, no..
22:59:47 <Mic> You've got to change this setting from the config editor
22:59:55 <DGMurdockIII> i did
23:00:10 <DGMurdockIII> the one in the options and advanced
23:00:17 <Mic> ok
23:00:47 <DGMurdockIII> i was just showing you thoses stuff that came up in my error consol
23:00:48 <Mic> Looks strange though
23:02:17 <Mic> The error you posted is exactly the same as when I enter "gfx.direct2d.disabled" into the error console
23:02:38 <DGMurdockIII> yeah
23:02:50 <DGMurdockIII> i did that first by mistake
23:03:08 <Mic> ah, sorry. Nevermind then .. it was only confusing me
23:03:12 <DGMurdockIII> brb
23:04:34 <clokep> Some thing syou can't change in about:config and have to do at the app level.
23:11:27 <DGMurdockIII> back
23:13:04 <Mic> http://openhatch.org/+projects/Instantbird
23:14:15 <clokep> Mic: ...?
23:14:35 <clokep> I would say the primary language is JS btw.
23:14:43 <Mic> It seems to be a project that tries to get potential contributors in touch with projects
23:15:05 <DGMurdockIII> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528
23:15:06 <clokep> Ah, I see.
23:15:07 <instantbot> Bug 528 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, mumble crashes instantbird
23:15:08 <Mic> They have an entry for Instantbird, though it basically lacks anything but the logo
23:16:00 <clokep> There's a libmumble DGMurdockIII, you should just make it an addon for Ib. :)
23:16:08 <DGMurdockIII> you shold sign up and add youself a conturbiter
23:16:48 <clokep> I try to not sign up for lots of extraneous websites. :))
23:18:25 <Mic> Sometimes you have to.. that's how I got a pile of notes with usernames and passwords on my table ;)
23:18:50 <clokep> I (if possible) sign into stuff w/ on eo fmy Google accounts now.
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