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00:02:36 <-- Tonnes has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.9/20100824153629]) 00:11:39 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 00:39:56 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 00:49:17 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 00:58:31 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 01:01:00 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 02:18:48 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 02:28:19 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 03:52:11 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 03:53:35 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 04:18:21 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 04:45:02 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 05:18:58 <-- hicham has quit (Input/output error) 05:27:35 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 05:44:27 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 06:02:07 <Mic> clokep: you killed the xkcd reference (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/mispronouncing.png) :P 07:00:48 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 08:18:48 --> Even1 has joined #instantbird 09:45:28 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:45:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 10:20:25 <Mic> hello flo 10:20:32 <flo> hi :) 10:23:30 <flo> this afternoon I'll try to work on planing/explaining on the wiki what we are going to do for 0.3 10:26:52 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 10:30:52 <Mic> On the wiki? So it's not official yet? 10:39:19 <flo> I would like to have it a lot more detailed than what we have done before, in the hope that it will be possible to follow "where we are/what we are doing now" 10:39:45 <flo> (and even better, "how can I help?" "where is feedback welcome/wanted/needed?" :)) 10:40:26 <flo> lunch time! 11:21:12 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 11:22:50 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 11:26:05 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 11:29:29 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 12:22:34 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev_away 12:26:59 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 12:44:18 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 12:55:14 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 13:19:07 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:20:43 <clokep> Sorry Mic, I guess that's not one of the xkcd's I usually remember. 13:22:00 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 13:27:08 --> Mic|web has joined #instantbird 13:29:35 <Mic|web> flo: about comment 4 on bug 490: why won't ".message>p CSS selectors [...] work anymore"? In the example you gave they are still a child of the node with class ".message" so it should work, shouldn't it? 13:29:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use a Class for Each Buddy 13:29:55 <flo> Mic|web: > is a direct child 13:30:03 <Mic|web> It's not that they're becoming 'farther descendants' 13:31:11 <Mic|web> Ah! You mixed up the beginning of the example code 13:31:41 <Mic|web> Maybe you should have formatted it differently for the sake of clarity 13:31:44 <-- kaie has quit (Quit: Leaving) 13:31:53 <flo> the <hr><p>Message2 ... is a second message that is inserted 13:31:58 <Mic|web> Would have been obvious then .. I see what you mean now 13:32:28 <flo> I would have liked to put the additions in bold 13:32:34 <flo> but I don't know how to do it there 13:33:01 <flo> would it have been clear if I had used the * character to enclose the added code? 13:34:07 <Mic|web> A few more line breaks and intendation (if possible) would have helped imo 13:35:02 <flo> about the hg repository 13:35:12 <flo> I can totally provide you an hg repository for your work on sync 13:36:40 <flo> I'm not sure if you want an hg repository specifically for the purpose of working on the sync feature, or if creating user repositories (where you could version control all your work on add-ons) for you, clokep and maybe a few others would be better 13:37:59 <Mic|web> I've got a TortoiseHG setup at home, I could use that if it only me working on an addon 13:38:48 <Mic|web> A shared one for collaboration would be useful. It doesn't have to be for sync only 13:39:29 <flo> so one shared for all experiments? 13:39:46 <Mic|web> Yes, something like that 13:40:59 <clokep> Yeah, the hope was for collaboration. :) 13:41:24 <flo> I think I could give write permissions on the current addons repository, but I would rather keep only working add-ons there, so that it can be used for as examples / copy/paste material for new add-on developers. 13:41:40 <flo> so I guess it's better to create another repository :) 13:42:58 <clokep> While you're at it you sohuld fix the styling on hg.instantbird.org. ;) 13:43:06 <flo> that's unrelated 13:43:15 <clokep> I know. 13:43:27 <flo> on the blog too... 13:43:59 <clokep> An experimental one would probably be the way to go. 13:48:51 <clokep> On an unrelated side note...I've been very unable to get sockets to work. :-\ 13:49:41 <flo> what have you tried? Do you need help? 13:51:04 <clokep> I have some sample code I've been working with (just to connect to google over port 80, sending the HTTP header). I need to try a few other things first, but I might need help. :) 13:51:17 <clokep> Unfortunately most of the sample code I've found is very old (like 2005 ~ 2006) 13:51:35 <flo> ok 13:51:51 <flo> if you are stuck, don't waste too much time before you call for help :) 13:52:21 <clokep> I've been working in an xpcshell, I'm not sure if it'll make a difference if I work directly in the application? That's what I want to try. 13:53:43 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 13:56:01 <Mic|web> Flo: Concerning the addons repository: I'd like to add the always-on-top extension as simple example how to use js-ctypes (though I need to fix the problem with several instances of Ib first (that's why it is still in sandbox on AIO) 13:56:44 <flo> was it a problem in the way you get the HWND? 13:57:45 <Mic|web> Exactly, I'm getting it by searching for windows with the buddy list title. If there are multiple instances running, it does strange things 13:58:22 <flo> hadn't we found a scriptable way to get it from Mozilla? 13:58:33 <Mic|web> I didn't have a look at it yet 13:58:45 <Mic|web> It was the webrunner (?) code iirc 13:58:51 <flo> yes 13:59:01 <flo> it was written in C++, but everything it used seemed scriptable to me 13:59:04 <Mic|web> (Songbird has also some code how to do it) 14:03:41 <-- rikki has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 14:07:05 * Mic|web really wonders what happened at Firefox Sync development .. the dialogs look so different/non-standard compared to the Firefox ones 14:07:28 <flo> it's a mozilla labs thing, they are more awesome! aren't they? 14:08:06 <clokep> I don't find it that different, but I'm also looking at the Sync built into Firefox 4, maybe that's more UI consistent. 14:09:14 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 14:13:22 <Mic|web> flo: I'll make sure the gnome icon with the yellow and blue bars gets review-ready :) 14:14:21 <Mic|web> I prefer it because it goes well with the other icons of this system (the idea is the same for all (message bubbles + smilie, but the 'implementation' depends on the design of the system) 14:15:32 <Mic|web> bye 14:15:39 <-- Mic|web has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:16:29 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev_away 14:20:34 <clokep> And I think having a game plan for 0.3 would be pretty awesome flo. :) 14:20:41 <flo> :) 14:23:37 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 14:24:13 <deOmega> GM guys... question from a new IB user: 14:24:28 <flo> deOmega: good morning :) 14:24:35 <deOmega> on Instantbird, irc, can you get it to not load the nickserv, etc 14:24:48 <deOmega> gotta close 4 tabs 14:24:49 <clokep> Good morning. 14:25:02 <clokep> deOmega: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/209 14:25:06 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 14:25:28 <flo> I should really finish my improved version of that add-on :) 14:25:30 <deOmega> haha... too cool 14:25:52 <deOmega> is it fine for me to send it to them or would that be a headache for them? 14:26:22 <flo> if they never ever want to see what nickserv has to say, it's fine 14:26:47 <flo> my improved version would filter the content of conversations so that the conversion appears only if the content is worth some attention 14:28:30 <clokep> Yeah, its kind of annoying when you need to reauth when you're already connected and you can't see the responses. :) 14:29:19 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 14:29:20 <deOmega> ah... looking forward to teh improed ersion.. and as a matter of fact, i will be using it also 14:29:20 <flo> my todo list is a mess :( 14:29:35 <flo> I will use it too! :) 14:29:42 <flo> I don't use the current version 14:29:59 <flo> and I close 5 tabs each time I reconnect 14:30:54 <deOmega> wow... 14:31:00 <deOmega> that is intmidating 14:31:11 <deOmega> if u are noot using itthrough all of that 14:31:47 <flo> well, to be honest, there's a technical detail I don't like about the way it works :) 14:32:08 <flo> it closes the conversation after each message 14:32:37 <flo> which causes the log files to be changed after each message (there are typically 3 or 4 when you connect). 14:32:44 <flo> that creates many useless log files 14:32:55 <deOmega> ohh 14:33:12 <deOmega> If only oen had teh option to set logs by dates rotflol 14:33:15 <flo> maybe we should do another add-on to remove logs from nickserv conversations :) 14:35:05 <deOmega> So, how are 'we' gonna go about updating the 300 themes that are not compatible with IB 3? 14:35:15 <deOmega> will that be batchwork like teh first time? 14:35:34 <clokep> A lot of those probably have 0 users. :-\ 14:35:57 <deOmega> True 14:35:59 <deOmega> U know 14:36:34 <deOmega> if i coulfd figure how to make them comtible easily and hae the knowledge to uload them.......... if there is really no other option, i can take my time and do that 14:37:09 <deOmega> but last time i tried just doing teh max ersion, it did not take away the incompatibility 14:37:56 <clokep> deOmega: You probably needed to delete your extensions cache. :) 14:38:17 <deOmega> how do i do that? 14:38:38 <deOmega> haha... back to kindergarten 14:39:31 <deOmega> I think i heard that before but really did not know that existed or how to approach it.. i think mic mentioned 14:39:40 <clokep> I don't remember the file name exactly. 14:39:47 <clokep> I'll be back in a few. I'm helping a friend. 14:39:48 <deOmega> ok 14:41:49 <clokep> deOmega: Your profile directory / extensions.cache I believe is the one. 14:41:58 <clokep> Note that you'll need to redisable any extensions that were disabled. 14:42:15 <flo> clokep: extensions.sqlite has annoyed me a lot recently. That's mozilla2-only though :) 14:42:30 <deOmega> ok.. will ecplore 14:42:36 <deOmega> explore 14:42:43 <flo> Even1: deOmega's question may be for you: 16:35:08 - deOmega: So, how are 'we' gonna go about updating the 300 themes that are not compatible with IB 3? 14:43:01 <clokep> flo: Ah, does that take the place of extensions.cache? :( 14:44:36 <flo> I don't know what was in extensions.cache :) 14:45:55 <clokep> A bunch of lines that list each ID, where its installed and last update time? 14:46:14 <clokep> And extensions.ini seems to have pretty much the same info. :-D 14:46:55 <clokep> As does extensions.rdf, although that has meta data also. 14:48:23 <deOmega> I do need to handle it as i have compatibility checker disabled. 14:48:56 <deOmega> no, am gonna hold those to oe day 14:49:34 <deOmega> lol.. ignore that last entry 15:01:17 <deOmega> thanks for your responses guys... i need to back out for abit 15:01:31 <deOmega> hae agreat day and good luck on the updated addon Flo :) 15:01:46 <flo> thanks 15:01:50 <clokep> BYe. 15:01:55 <flo> talk to you later :) 15:02:00 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 15:08:59 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 15:10:32 <Even1> deOmega: I don't have a damn idea about this. I suppose it will recquire to adapt our current script to detect if the addons already exists and in this case to create a new version instead of creating a whole new addon. 15:10:50 <Even1> deOmega: hopefully, it won't need to much modifications to the original upload script 15:10:57 <Even1> *too 15:11:14 <flo> Even1: can't we just change the maxVersion on the website? 15:12:08 <flo> that may not work for the themes that are still in the sandbox though. If I remember well remora doesn't offer updates for them :( 15:12:14 <Even1> If there is no risk of new incompatibilities breaking them on Ib 0.3 when it was working "fine" on 0.2, then it is possible indeed. 15:12:49 <Even1> Hmm, you might be wrong about updates on sandbox extensions. 15:12:50 <flo> ah, you wanted us to create new screenshots using a newer rendering engine? 15:13:17 <Even1> I think it don't update you to a sandbox extension if the version if different but if it's only a change in compatibility version, it might work. 15:13:25 <clokep> I don't think updates are offered, but compatibility updates might be applied? 15:13:34 <Even1> flo: yes, it was what I had in mind. 15:13:53 <Even1> clokep: my point exactly 15:14:27 <Even1> clokep: thanks for the clarification ^^ 15:14:43 <clokep> Even1: Its just a guess though. I'm not positive. :) 15:15:37 <flo> I fear whoever will try that will get depressed by some underlying stupidity :-/ 15:26:29 <clokep> Yeah, remora is kind of bleh. 15:31:56 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 15:36:43 * flo has just found a starred email dating back from April 2008 of some users that requested support for IRC 15:36:59 <flo> I guess it's a bit too late to reply with "sorry for the late response" :-/ 15:37:30 <clokep> Yeah, 2.5 years is pretty long. :-\ 15:51:17 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:05:07 <clokep> Class, be back later. 16:05:09 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 16:13:23 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 16:53:46 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 17:06:36 <flo> clokep: https://hg.instantbird.org/ satisfied? :) 17:08:01 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 17:28:35 <Mic> flo: while your at it, could you fix bug 1 as well? 17:28:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 nor, P5, ---, idechix, NEW, Make bugzilla.instantbird.org look like other instantbird websites 17:28:42 <Mic> :P 17:42:17 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 17:50:22 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 18:05:28 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 18:10:09 <flo> Mic: it's not assigned to me :-P 18:29:03 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 18:47:38 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 18:47:38 * ChanServ sets mode +o idechix 18:48:08 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 18:48:25 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 18:48:25 * ChanServ sets mode +o idechix 18:49:13 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 19:08:23 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 19:21:01 <deOmega> man, i feel so sorry for the songbird team. As if they really cannot win 19:22:45 <deOmega> I believe that teh downside to this field, is that someone out there always think they can do it better...whether or not they truly can 19:23:42 <deOmega> BUt do they contribute? NO.. they will typically not have the time... but yet enough time to criticize yours 19:44:37 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 19:59:13 <clokep> deOmega: What was the songbird comment? 20:01:33 <clokep> And yes flo! Thanks. :) you closed bug 457! :-D 20:01:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, hg.instantbird.org needs new styling 20:01:52 <instantbot> email@example.com set the Resolution field on bug 457 to FIXED. 20:02:19 <deOmega> clokep: hi... no specif comment that comes to mind.. just overall impression over the years following its development 20:02:26 <clokep> Oh OK. 20:02:42 <clokep> Was wondering if something had come up. 20:04:40 <deOmega> no 20:04:44 <deOmega> but i do have something 20:04:50 <deOmega> This guy messaging me usng IB 20:05:04 <deOmega> and i have it set to where i see teh senders font and color 20:05:13 <deOmega> he is using pspersheet style 20:05:35 <deOmega> somehow when his messages come through, they are well indented 20:05:43 <deOmega> like this. 20:05:51 <deOmega> hi everyone 20:09:58 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 20:10:02 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 20:11:49 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 20:12:00 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 20:12:44 <deOmega> Ignore my cry.. apparently the problem was some of my 'tweaking' in a theme i messed with 20:12:58 <clokep> deOmega: That's OK! :) Glad to know its working. 20:13:00 <deOmega> I think i will stop 'trying' as i am often running into incidents LOL 20:15:09 <clokep> Trying is OK as long as you're learning. 20:29:06 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 20:33:40 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 20:33:48 --> User has joined #instantbird 20:34:45 <-- User has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:34:46 --> IM has joined #instantbird 20:35:58 <IM> Can Instantbird be used to chat "across" IM services? 20:37:04 <IM> that is, can I sign on to Yahoo via Instantbird and chat with a user on AIM? 20:43:23 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 20:43:33 <DGMurdockIII> 2(IM2): yes 20:44:00 <clokep> IM, uh no you can't do that. 20:44:20 <clokep> You would need to sign into AIM to chat to a user on AIM. 20:44:29 <clokep> there's certain web services that allow things like that though. 20:44:56 <IM> thanks, I've read about those services 20:45:42 <IM> so, the benefit of Instantbird (and similar) is that I can see my various chat accounts in one place 20:45:45 <DGMurdockIII> 2(IM2): but you can add a icq users on AIM and talk to him 20:45:57 <DGMurdockIII> 2(IM2): yes 20:46:16 <DGMurdockIII> right now at least 20:46:34 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 20:46:47 <IM> thanks, I was hoping Instantbird would relieve me of having to sign up for each different service 20:47:05 <clokep> IM: No Instant messaging program does that to my knowledge. 20:47:10 <clokep> Unless the networks are linked. 20:47:21 <clokep> I.e. MSN and Yahoo are linked, AIM and ICQ. 20:49:42 <DGMurdockIII> google talk is link with aim 20:50:05 <DGMurdockIII> Google upgraded its Gmail integrated chat to include AOL Instant Messenger chat capability. This allows Gmail users to sign into the AIM chat service and communicate with any AIM user while still being signed on to the Google Talk service. The Google Talk gadget and client have not been upgraded to enable this feature yet, and no announcement has been made as to when it will be made available. 20:50:19 <clokep> Only via their GMail client, which actually signs you into AIM, you still need an AIM account. 20:50:39 <clokep> Right, but you stilll need an AIM screenname. 20:52:02 <clokep> IM There's transports to go between Jabber and most services, but not one I know of for AIM to Yahoo. :-\ Sorry. 20:52:23 <IM> I was hoping for an open source alternative to be able to instant message AIM users without actually having an AIM account 20:52:59 <clokep> IM: an "open source alternative" is there a closed source that can currently do that? Can /any/ IM program currently do that? 20:54:24 <clokep> Sorry to sound kind of surprised, I've just never heard of any program doing that. :) 20:55:07 <IM> Yeah, my full nickname didn't show up: "IM Noob" 20:55:36 <clokep> Spaces aren't allowed on IRC. :) 20:56:08 <clokep> You can use "/nick <newnick>" to change it. 20:56:23 <clokep> And if you have an example of a program that let's you do what you want we can look into it? 20:58:32 <IM> tried the slash nick thing a couple times but got error message 20:58:55 <IM> anyway, I only looked for open source messaging 20:59:23 <IM> don't know whether any software did/does what I was looking for 20:59:39 <clokep> Ah OK, so you don't know of any that do it? :) Yeah, I can't think a way it could do it since the networks are different and you'd have to somehow be logged into both. 20:59:57 <IM> I just don't want AIM running on my computer 21:00:20 <clokep> Well if you have an AIM screenname you can sign into both that and yahoo at once? 21:00:37 <clokep> It doesn't actually require the AIM program to be installed, but it requires that you connect to their network. 21:01:09 <IM> that I understand 21:01:30 <clokep> OK. :) 21:03:00 <IM> 'preciate your help clokep and DGM's input 21:03:10 <IM> signing off now and back to the drawing board 21:03:38 <clokep> IM: No problem. :) Sorry we could be more useful. I don't think it can be done though. Why not just get an AIM screen name? They're free and I don't get any spam or anything. 21:05:07 <IM> cynical old fart trying to minimize my online identity footprint 21:05:51 <clokep> Ah, understandable. :) Just make other people switch then. ;) 21:07:32 <IM> sitting in my chair snickering ... 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