#instantbird log on 09 08 2010

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19:06:39 <DGMurdockIII> hi
19:07:02 <DGMurdockIII> have there been any new features that i shold know about
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19:34:47 <clokep> Interesting project for collaborative coding: http://ethercodes.com/
19:37:15 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Nothing realy, flo has been working on getting Instantbird with Mozilla2 to work.
19:37:53 <DGMurdockIII> Mozilla2?
19:38:29 <DGMurdockIII> you mean gecko 2.0
19:39:24 <DGMurdockIII> if not what do you mean
19:41:26 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep2): hi
19:41:38 <clokep> I've heard it called both Mozilla2 and gecko2.
19:43:07 <clokep> DGMurodckIII: Changes on the Mozilla2 branch: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/log/95b1734e324b
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21:03:04 <clokep> Mic: You see flo's comments about the class name stuff? Any ideas?
21:03:21 <Mic> I'm currently writing a message and doing some checking first
21:03:50 <clokep> Ah OK. :) I wanted to write a lot more but my internet was too flaky to actually attempt to do anything.
21:03:52 <Mic> What about encapsulating messages in a span.. would that help in your opinion?
21:04:18 <clokep> That'd probably work.
21:04:47 <clokep> So you're saying do: <span class="hashOfUser">%output of message style %</span>?
21:04:54 <Mic> yes
21:05:41 <Mic> I think with ..
21:05:46 <Mic> (let me check back first)
21:06:37 <Mic> .. with ".buddyHash * { attribute: value !important; }" you might even be able to force an attribute on any descendants
21:06:42 <clokep> That'd probably work well. :) Its tough when the message can be formatted however underneath that point though.
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21:20:44 <Mic> clokep: you've seen that I filed a "Sync" bug? Just in case you're interested in this ..
21:21:41 <clokep> Yes, bug 492
21:21:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sync accounts, buddy list and settings on different computers
21:22:13 <clokep> CC'ed myself. ;)
21:25:11 <Mic> That's annoying: I think I 'update --clean'-ed my local repository which contained the images for bug 484 :(
21:25:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 enh, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Changed icons for Options dialog
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21:27:37 <Mic> No, there are no CC's on this bug
21:27:43 <clokep> I voted for it. ;)
21:28:19 <Mic> Ah
21:29:24 <clokep> Yeah. I figured since I want it I'd vote for it. :P
21:29:33 <clokep> Is it something you're looking for people to collaborate with?
21:31:30 <clokep> Oh, Mic. I had a question about that in fact.
21:31:54 <clokep> Firefox 4 has Sync built in...is it part of toolkit or browser code?
21:36:13 <Mic> No idea.. 
21:36:14 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 351 to bug 484.
21:36:16 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de requested review from idechix@instantbird .org for attachment 351 on bug 484.
21:36:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 enh, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Changed icons for Options dialog
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21:43:20 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 352 to bug 484.
21:43:21 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de requested review from idechix@instantbird .org for attachment 352 on bug 484.
21:43:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 enh, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Changed icons for Options dialog
21:43:29 <Mic> clokep: yes, ofcourse.
21:43:50 <Mic> (referring to collaboration)
21:44:13 <clokep> I really like those without the pen btw. :)
21:44:25 <clokep> The code in mozilla-central is at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/services/ under sync and crypto.
21:45:20 <Mic> If you're interested in some details: make sure to read Wladimir Palant's blog posting
21:45:43 <Mic> He's describing there how he added Sync support to ABP
21:46:34 <clokep> Yes, I read that when he wrote it. :)
21:47:50 <Mic> I like the gnome icon with the colored area for the names better .. the other one is so unspecial
21:48:13 <Mic> Idechix says it should be consistent with the other themes though
21:48:24 <clokep> Yeah, it gave it a bit more flair.
21:48:57 <Mic> I think the icons should look similiar for each system, not between systems
21:49:03 <Mic> but well, just my 2 cents
21:49:21 <clokep> Yes. I'm no UI expert so I leave that to others normally.
21:50:18 <clokep> OK, so...Sync, what can we do about that? How can I Help out?
21:52:23 <Mic> I managed to 'get it loaded' .. 
21:52:41 <Mic> .. but it doesn't do anything more than appearing on the installed addons list yet :D
21:52:51 <clokep> Oh, hahah.
21:53:35 <Mic> Even the options dialog is broken (I managed to get it working one time .. but the stylesheets were broken as far as I can tell, so I didn't see the window .. only three buttons in the middle of nowhere)
21:54:01 <clokep> Mic: Is your code up somewhere?
21:54:06 <Mic> No
21:54:34 <Mic> Since I don't remember what I did to it and what parts might be broken beyond repair, I better start again ;) 
21:55:08 <Mic> I did some ugly things to it to disable the default sync engines (I still haven't figured out where they are registered :S )
21:55:17 <Mic> *are being
21:55:17 <clokep> haha, version control! :)
21:55:25 <Mic> No version control :(
21:56:36 <clokep> I suggest next time using it. :)
21:58:59 <Mic> Yes, especially as I'd like to create patchs on the source of the original sync addon, so we can include their changes more easily maybe
22:00:32 <Mic> A repository that is accessible from the web would be better if someone would like to collaborate
22:02:01 <clokep> Maybe flo can set you up on hg.instantbird.org/addons?
22:02:14 <clokep> If not we can use Google Code or bitbucket or whatever.
22:02:40 <Mic> I don't like throwing information on Google .. 
22:04:40 <Mic> I'll ask flo.. that would be ok for the beginning. Once the extension running on Instantbird (more or less) we'll need an own Sync server
22:05:10 <Mic> Mozilla doesn't like testing with 'multis' on their servers
22:05:18 <clokep> Hmmm....I might be able to set one up on my second computer (for testing only), but its not on 24/7.
22:05:41 <clokep> I think I already have Apache installed on it too.
22:05:52 <clokep> Its too bright to keep on while I sleep haha. :)
22:06:15 <Mic> Is it modded with fancy lights and this sort of stuff?
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22:06:51 <clokep> I have a server -- an Asus easyStore, but I'd prefer not to run that on it, it has a bunch of bright lights for status, hard drives, etc.
22:07:18 <clokep> And then I have my dev laptop, which wouldn't survive running 24/7, its old. :)
22:07:53 <clokep> But I could run it on one of those. I also have full access to my network so that wouldn't be an issue.
22:08:42 <DGMurdockIII> sourceforge
22:09:15 <Mic> Since we don't want to extend Sync but to replace it (that's my idea so far) we can remove all the unneeded parts
22:09:29 <Mic> Like Fennec/Seamonkey support
22:10:37 <clokep> Mic: But you want to make it from their real repo so that we can "patch" in their changes?
22:12:37 <clokep> You make it all so difficult. ;)
22:12:43 <clokep> But should be possible in Mercurial.
22:12:54 <DGMurdockIII> http://gitorious.org/
22:15:05 <Mic> I'm not exactly sure if it makes sense because right now I'd kill quite a few files .. including the firefox sync engines and the other applications
22:15:43 <Mic> That might leave only the 'core files' (not app specific) and I think we won't have to do much on them anyways
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22:21:19 <clokep> Maybe.
22:22:14 <DGMurdockIII> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/MercurialHosting
22:22:31 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: We're not worrying about hosting yet.
22:24:12 <DGMurdockIII> you just want to have the password part of firefox sync
22:24:46 <Mic> ah, found it :)
22:24:55 <Mic> components/AddonGlue.js
22:25:31 <Mic> There are the engines added .. I guess changing a bit here would be more efficient than the hackery done so far ;)
22:26:05 <Mic> It's late, good night
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22:33:33 <clokep> Guess I'm a little late saying goodnight. :)
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22:51:31 <clokep_away> You know, it might be good if there was some alternate way to show responses from the server/nickserv/chanserv that were so intrusive (but not just killing them outright via nickservkill :)).
22:51:58 <clokep_away> I'm not sure what the "better" way would be though. Unless perhaps a small notification is shown in the UI and clicking it brings up a "hidden" conversation with it or something.
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