#instantbird log on 09 05 2010

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13:45:24 <instantbot> New Websites - Addons.instantbird.org bug 489 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
13:45:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=489 min, --, ---, raynaudquentin, UNCO, Notification about Flash plugin in IE8
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14:45:51 <clokep> Mic: I'll file that bug sometime in the next few days.
14:46:09 <clokep> Should I CC you on it?
14:46:14 <clokep> (The class names one.)
14:47:10 <Mic> I'm not sure which one you're talking about, but just CC me
14:49:46 <Mic> Ah, ok. The class for buddies in conversations. Sure, I'd like to be cc'ed there
14:50:15 <clokep> OK. Will do. :)
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14:51:33 <Mic> A very useful enhancement request imo
14:51:42 <Mic> Did I sum it up correctly btw?
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14:52:12 <clokep> Just now or on the logs?
14:52:19 <Mic> On the logs
14:52:32 <Mic> after flo said that he wasn't sure what you meant
14:52:34 <clokep> Yes.
14:53:17 <clokep> And we should store the class name in the buddy or have a function to be able to generate it.
14:59:49 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 490 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
14:59:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use a Class for Each Buddy
15:01:33 <Mic> :)
15:01:47 <clokep> I stole some of your wording, but failed to cite it. ;)
15:02:13 <Mic> I was afraid we would run out of bugs one day but it seems we have a constant supply ;)
15:02:31 <clokep> It'd be nice if we were solving them faster then we were adding them, but oh well.
15:04:40 <Mic> We really should keep the number down
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15:05:59 <Mic> Problems like duplicates have positive feedback for example (ie the more there are the harder it is to spot them in this mess, leading to even more duplicates)
15:06:27 <Mic> i'm just glad that at the moment I guess I could tell on any new bug whether it is a duplicate or not right away ;)
15:07:13 <Mic> bbl
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16:07:52 <zachlr> Hi, it appears that you have to delete and re-create an XMPP (or XMPP based protocol) account in order to change the resouce name. Is this correct? Shouldn't it be able to be changed in the account manager without deleting it?
16:10:07 <clokep> zachlr: Hi.
16:10:28 <clokep> I think its in the advanced tab of the account manager. But I'l check.
16:12:40 <clokep> zachlr: You're right you can't change it. Seems like you should be able to change it via account manager, would you be willing to file a bug at https://bugzilla.instantbird.org ?
16:13:11 <zachlr> Sure.  One second.
16:13:34 <clokep> Thanks. :)
16:16:12 <zachlr> What would you recommend putting in for severity?  Enhancement?
16:18:07 <clokep> Leave it as normal, when flo (the main dev) sees it, he'll changed it if he wants.
16:18:30 <zachlr> Okay
16:20:26 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 491 filed by zachlr@comcast.net.
16:20:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=491 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, XMPP and XMPP based protocols don't allow Resource name to be changed without deleting.
16:21:36 <zachlr> I've filed a report.  Thanks for helping me out; I'll be sure to file reports if I find any other problems.
16:22:24 <clokep> Thanks! I've marked it as new. Definitely feel free to file more bugs or ask in here if you come across any. :)
16:23:44 <Morian> zachlr: this was not referenced as a bug, but a technical limitation or something. we'll see what the project leader will say, but I definitively agree with you :)
16:24:29 <clokep> Morian: You mean a limitation of libpurple? Yeah I was wondering if Pidgin was able to do it or not...
16:25:24 <zachlr> I've never used XMPP with pidgin.  It wouldn't really make sense though, I wouldn't think.  More likely instantbird passes the Resource name to libpurple each time it requests to connect.
16:25:31 <Morian> clokep: I think you can change it on pidgin, but I wonder whether changing it in pidgin doesn't create a whole new account (hidden to the end user)
16:26:53 <clokep> Ah, yeah. That'd be complicated. :)
16:27:53 <Morian> We'll see, flo (the project leader) is out this week end but he is probably the best person for answering this question :)
16:28:17 <clokep> Yes!
16:28:36 <zachlr> Okay, that sounds fair.  
16:28:47 <clokep> zachlr: Have you noticed any other things or wish it did something it doesn't, etc.? Always good to get more feedback.
16:31:00 <zachlr> Hmm, nothing major at the moment.
16:32:32 <zachlr> So far I'm very impressed; I've switched completely from Pidgin.  I still use Windows Live Messenger though, because libpurple doesn't support specific features, and I don't see it ever doing so.
16:33:01 <clokep> I'm guessing things like file transfer, video/voice chat type things?
16:33:10 <zachlr> Yes
16:36:15 <clokep> Yeah, that's a rough patch in all free apps. :( Eventually maybe.
16:39:09 <zachlr> On a side note, I was wondering where to find information on developing addons for Instantbird. I've never developed any addons for Firefox, or anything really, I guess. I just wanted to check it out and see if it's in the realm of my abilities at the moment.
16:40:06 <clokep> zachlr: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Developer is the overall page.
16:40:12 <zachlr> Thanks
16:40:36 <clokep> Most extensions are JavaScript/XUL, not sure if you know either.
16:41:01 <clokep> XUL is similar to HTML but has a "native look and feel".
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16:41:54 <clokep> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/addons has some more basic infromation about the Mozilla platform and some tutorials. :)
16:42:35 <clokep> there's some sample addons around somewhere too, feel free to ask if you can't figure something out or are getting an error, even if its really specific.
16:44:26 <zachlr> Unfortunately I don't know JavaScript and I've never heard of XUL.  It might not be too difficult though.
16:44:48 <clokep> What's your programming experience?
16:46:05 <clokep> If you're familiar with proramming JavaScript isn't too bad to pick up. But its more of learning the Mozilla API that takes some time. :)
16:46:28 <clokep> XUL isn't too bad either, but there's a bunch of other languages that can also be involved depending how compicated of something you're doing.
16:47:06 <zachlr> Pretty limited.  I've had an interest in programming for some time now, but I've only recently really gotten my hands dirty.  I've done some very basic C++, mastered some high level propriotary languages, and I'm currently reading a Perl book.  
16:48:31 <clokep> JavaScript shouldn't be too bad to pick up, its mostly C++ syntax, but very weakly typed, among other things. Well regardless, if you decide to do it, feel free to ask. I have to go, company.
16:48:33 <instantbot> c++ is e-- ah, nevermind.
16:48:33 <sumobot> c++ sucks
16:49:06 <zachlr> Okay, I'll take a look.  Thanks again.
16:49:17 <clokep> Good luck!
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16:55:14 <Morian> instantbot, sumobot: shut up please :)
16:55:17 <instantbot> Morian: Sorry, I've no idea what 'shut up please :)' might be.
16:55:24 <Morian> tss...
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19:20:36 <Mic> For rating the severity of a bug one can always have a look what the levels are intended for
19:20:59 <Mic> The labels for the UI elements are pointing to an overview page containing the most important information
19:21:20 <Mic> For severity, see https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_severity for example
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