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00:02:35 <flo> thanks! :) 00:02:51 <clokep> Hopefully I got the whole issue in there. 00:07:41 <flo> oh, right, I guess we could fork that file completely. 00:08:32 <clokep> flo: True, but there's really no reason to. Unless that's easier then patching it for some reason? 00:08:48 <flo> too late this evening to know ;) 00:10:29 <clokep> Haha, fair enough. :) 00:13:16 <flo> if I read http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/installer/windows/nsis/makensis.mk#48 well, it seems version.nsh is copied at lines 66 and 88 00:13:57 <flo> well, we can certainly let it be copied but not include it, but... oh well 00:14:01 <flo> let's sleep :) 00:14:14 <clokep> Hahah. Yeah, if anything I'll just look silly. ;) Not a big deal. 00:14:40 <clokep> 'night. 00:15:39 <flo> clokep: you won't, what you wrote in the bug makes sense ;) 00:15:52 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 00:16:17 <clokep> Thanks. Goodnight. 00:16:25 <flo> thanks :) 00:31:08 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 00:45:58 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 01:03:11 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 01:15:42 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 01:19:13 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 01:39:02 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 02:05:32 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 02:08:46 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 02:20:37 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:30:40 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 02:33:39 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:34:30 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 02:59:07 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 02:59:34 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 03:01:06 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 03:08:53 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 03:31:50 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 03:32:09 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 04:02:49 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 04:06:24 --> rikki has joined #instantbird 04:09:30 <-- rikki has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:09:38 --> rikki1 has joined #instantbird 04:09:49 <-- rikki1 has left #instantbird () 04:18:11 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 04:29:03 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Ping timeout) 04:30:42 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 04:33:46 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 04:34:38 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 04:46:11 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:07:46 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 05:22:05 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 05:23:21 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 05:26:50 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 06:10:40 <-- hicham has left #instantbird () 06:14:08 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 06:30:35 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 07:06:13 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 07:08:42 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 07:23:22 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev_away 08:28:43 * tymerkaev_away is now known as tymerkaev 08:34:58 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:35:11 <Mic> good morning 09:34:51 --> Mic|web has joined #instantbird 09:55:00 <Mic|web> flo: what about a rough sketch what happens internally on Instantbird? 09:55:38 <Mic|web> e.g. a few bubbles and arrows to display what goes on when receiving a new message in a conversation 09:56:05 <Mic|web> with remarks to help extension developers get started 09:58:13 <Mic|web> like "receiving (fires "new-message") -> processing by message filter, applying textModifiers (insert an own if you want to change content of a message locally) -> applying messagestyle -> blah -> blob 10:05:25 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 10:05:59 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 10:06:29 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 10:54:11 <flo> Mic|web: It may clarify the documentation to add some visual content. 10:54:29 <flo> but it takes a lot of time to do, and is not really easy to update when something inside the code changes. 10:57:19 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:04:38 <Mic|web> I guess it could be possible to fix bug 377 using js-ctypes 11:04:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show caps lock warning when typing in a password field 11:04:41 <Mic|web> (btw) 11:05:19 <Mic|web> bye 11:05:25 <-- Mic|web has left #instantbird () 11:15:46 <flo> oh, I see clokep got the installer bug fixed quickly :) 12:16:37 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 12:19:23 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 12:46:27 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:16 <clokep> flo: Yeah, looks like its approved, but I don't think its landed. ;) Is it implemented in a way that's helpful? 12:53:13 <flo> they have basically copied the file to Firefox, and plan to remove the shared file ;) 12:53:19 <flo> so I guess we should just do the same 12:53:50 <clokep> Ah, that's what I was thinking it was doing. Just confused at why it wasn't removing version.nsh. 13:03:20 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:13:38 --> Mic|web has joined #instantbird 13:14:21 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 13:29:43 <Mic|web> clokep: could you help me with the following? 13:29:53 <Mic|web> What's the meaning of "Could you make some hit about that?:)" ? 13:30:18 <Mic|web> Doesn't happen often that I have absolutely no clue what someone wants to say.. but here it does. 13:31:40 <Mic|web> (Context: I told the developer of the "Always On Top" extension for Firefox that I made it without a native component and that was his response) 13:32:48 <clokep> Mic|web Uhhh I'm think it was a typo, that's not an colloquialism I know of. 13:33:18 <Mic|web> ok.. :D 13:33:49 <clokep> I don't think he's a native English speaker. :) 13:35:54 <flo> clokep: thunderbird probably depends on it (version.nsh). 13:36:52 <clokep> flo: Ah, right. Thunderbird. :P And SeaMonkey too, maybe? I was thinking it was under browser, but it was under Toolkit, doh. 13:41:10 <clokep> Class time, bye. 13:41:14 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 13:42:35 <Mic|web> flo: is "always on top" a desired feature for Mac as well? 13:42:52 <flo> I don't know 13:43:44 <Mic|web> Does the OS offer an option to keep windows on top? Or is it a no-go? 13:44:03 <Mic|web> Is there a different way to show UI that should be always visible? 13:44:39 <flo> I don't know. :) 13:44:48 <flo> I know very little of how the mac os x system works. 13:45:10 <Mic|web> I meant things that you might encounter in your everyday work 13:45:30 <flo> I've never seen a "real window" being always on top 13:47:12 <Mic|web> ok, so maybe the situation is similiar to the one on Windows 13:48:44 <flo> I guess it may be useful to make the buddy list "dockable", but I'm not sure if that's possible 13:54:02 <Mic|web> What does that mean exactly? 13:56:16 <flo> make the window sick to one end of the screen, have no border, and forbid others windows from going above or under it. 14:00:44 <hicham> on MacOS ? 14:01:53 <flo> anywhere maybe :) 14:02:37 <Mic|web> flo: I've seen such a thing on Windows before as well .. maximizing other programs will appear as if the desktop was just smaller (excluding the space taken by the docked program) 14:03:00 <flo> :) 14:03:29 <flo> I think I've only seen that on Windows actually. A loooong time ago. I think it was Gaim. 14:12:08 <Mic|web> bye 14:12:42 <-- Mic|web has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:13:35 --> Wareczek has joined #instantbird 14:15:19 <-- Wareczek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 14:15:34 --> Wareczek has joined #instantbird 14:16:16 <-- Wareczek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 14:17:08 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 14:20:01 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 14:22:59 <-- Mic has quit (Input/output error) 14:23:16 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 14:53:34 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 15:05:49 <flo> my current instantbird process takes more than 450MB of ram. 15:06:31 <deOmega> 25mb for me here 15:06:39 <flo> I wonder if there's a real problem, or if it's just the fact that it hasn't restarted for 11 days, and has a conversation tab with a conversation containing more than 31000 messages 15:08:30 <flo> and another with more than 10000 messages 15:11:15 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 15:13:21 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 15:14:42 <flo> if it's only because there are lots of messages, then it's bug 301 15:14:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove old messages 15:16:11 <deOmega> what does auto scrolling do exactly? 15:17:55 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 15:18:25 <flo> put the scrollbar at the bottom after a new message has been inserted, if the scrollbar was already almost at the bottom before 15:23:54 <deOmega> Ok, i am finding that if i start typing and the window expands a few rows, as i am trying to verify by typing 4 lines of information now, the bottom (of your message in this case) is covered up. I thought th e auto sccroll would address that but it does not. 15:24:14 <deOmega> here you go: http://i38.tinypic.com/2vuczd0.jpg 15:30:58 <deOmega> does that help explain? 15:42:17 <flo> there's an exception, when the last message is larger than the display area, the top of the message is displayed instead of scrolling all the way to the bottom 15:42:34 <flo> I think that makes sense, as you can't read a message if you don't start at the beginning of it 15:44:29 <flo> on your screenshot, the splitter between the content area and the textbox has disappeared, this is likely a bug. 15:44:35 <deOmega> Ok. i believe it sends an odd sense, but the key is.. as long as it is done on purpose... sounds good to me. Thought was a glitch. 15:45:24 <flo> it wasn't completely on purpose when it was done, but it's a known behavior, and changing it would probably be less useful 15:46:00 <deOmega> I would argue that the first part of a conversation is generally the introduction, so the latter part ought to be shown 15:46:33 <flo> it's the first part of the message, not of the conversation :) 15:46:48 <deOmega> that is what i meant 15:58:34 <deOmega> I think that for what it is worth, it comes across as a problem as opposed to a godo idea. :( 16:11:58 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 16:14:28 <clokep> Mic: Docking is more useful then "always on top" IMO. :) 16:28:37 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 16:28:38 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Quit: GeekShad0w) 16:32:34 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 17:03:32 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 17:17:57 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 17:36:08 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:41:41 <Mic> clokep: I only remember that I didn't like it that the screen as limited in size.. 17:42:05 <Mic> *was 17:42:17 * flo wants an infinite screen too ;) 17:42:27 <Mic> hehe, ok 17:42:49 <Mic> I guess you still understood what I wanted to say 17:43:09 <flo> I hate it when something is above the window I interact with 17:43:27 <Mic> The always on top is not a problem for me.. usually I move the window to a space that is nearly unused in the program 'below' 17:44:41 <flo> I guess I could use a docked buddy list (I almost do it by hand anyway) and an always on top conversation window (only for detached conversations, typically conversation windows with only one tab, that I really want to follow closely) 17:44:59 <Mic> I think I'll try to make the buddylist not completely opaque 17:45:16 <Mic> hide chrome 17:45:49 <Mic> and change the display of buddies slightly (ie making it more discernable when they're mostly transparent 17:45:58 <flo> hide everything but the text of the messages, and make it look like the conversation is part of the wordprocessor document you are editing ;) 17:46:12 <Mic> like changing the background of the buddy item to a certain color .. 17:46:31 <Mic> green for signing on, red for away, some other color for signing off buddies 17:46:54 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 17:47:15 <Mic> Usually it's not a problem for me that there's something in the way for interacting with the program below, but in the way for seeing what's there 17:48:19 <Mic> Wordprocessor theme, no buddy colours, Times New Roman, 12pt, .. 17:48:37 <Mic> Someone should do that :D 17:54:01 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 18:01:54 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 18:03:53 <clokep> Mic: Docking a buddy list isn't nearly as bad now that widescreen monitors are common. 18:05:13 <deOmega> I have a wonderful suggestion: We need an UNSEND button... the ability to retrieve a message sent to teh wrong person lol 18:05:29 <clokep> deOmega: You can't do that though, once its sent to the server...oh well. 18:05:31 <clokep> Its like email. :P 18:05:50 <deOmega> I figure as much.. just thought it would be funny 18:06:29 <deOmega> Someone was just giving me a TOUGH story of sending some informationto teh wrong person 18:06:32 <deOmega> man 18:07:29 <deOmega> they said they were trying for the moment righta fter to retrieve the message.. knowing they cannot but had to try. ROTFLOL 18:07:32 <deOmega> Too funny 18:09:11 <flo> deOmega: I've seriously discussed this feature with someone, about twitter 18:09:50 <flo> if we integrate twitter and you can change your twitter status as easily as sending a message in a conversation, it will inevitably happen that you send in the wrong window something that you don't want as your twitter status 18:10:20 <flo> maybe delaying the status change operation by 10 seconds with a way to click to "change right now" and a way to "cancel" would be helpful 18:11:18 --> mokush_ has joined #instantbird 18:11:18 <deOmega> hmmm 18:11:48 <flo> maybe we could generalize it to all conversations where a message has not been sent during the last five minutes, or something like that 18:13:11 <deOmega> I do not really know twitter, so much would not make sense to me regarding it, but anything to minimize embarrassment ought to be a seller 18:13:35 <-- mokush has quit (Ping timeout) 18:13:45 <flo> the only thing about twitter is that it's not private IM but something public, so the embarassment about sending crap out is public 18:13:58 <flo> (or sending confidential information, which is probably worse) 18:14:13 <-- mokush_ has quit (Client exited) 18:14:32 <DGMurdockIII> dosent twitter have a option where you can make you account private 18:14:53 <flo> DGMurdockIII: yes. It's not commonly used though 18:15:05 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Yes, but most people don't do that, its to protect people from accidentally posting sensitive information to Twitter. 18:16:24 <Mic> flo: about the Twitter status: let it be read out loud ;) 18:18:33 <Mic> It was added to Youtube one day iirc 18:19:08 <Mic> when the guy from xkcd suggested it before so youtube commenters hear how silly their posting are 18:19:22 <Mic> I'd vote for introducing that on any feeds on the web .. 18:22:33 <flo> Mic: uh? 18:23:04 <flo> we could also introduce "are you sure you want to sent a message with so many obvious typos?" but we would need a better spellchecker 18:23:32 <Mic> I mean if someone hears anything reasonable it can't be their twitter status 18:23:46 <DGMurdockIII> what spellchecker do you use now 18:23:55 <clokep> flo: The spell checker also seemed fine for me, but maybe that's just English? 18:23:58 <Mic> Sorry, no trolling meant :P 18:24:14 <flo> clokep: it's just average. I'd like it to be really good. 18:24:39 <clokep> flo: For Twitter (or like issues) we could just pop up a prompt asking if they meant to say that? (I know prompts are bad...) 18:24:39 <DGMurdockIII> flo why not use the the one open office uses 18:24:45 <flo> especially, I'd like it to indicate its confidence in its suggestions, and fix the obvious typos automatically 18:24:55 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: OO.o uses the same one I believe. 18:25:07 <flo> DGMurdockIII: it's the same 18:25:08 <Mic> flo: and further worsening people writing skills? 18:25:21 <flo> I'd like to have the one which was demoed (but never released) with Google Wave. 18:25:52 <clokep> Mic: I actually wrote a few papers how spell check can help people's writing skills if used properly. :) 18:26:17 <flo> Mic: seeing all the time mistakes is terrible for the writing skills 18:26:17 <clokep> Unforuntaely none of this has to do w/ deOmega's problem? 18:26:25 <clokep> Perhaps its not obvious enough who you're talking to? 18:26:28 <Mic> What did they say about silently correcting people? 18:26:45 <flo> and having good spellcheckers would certainly dramatically decrease people's SMS language reading skill. I'm not sure we would regret that :) 18:26:54 <DGMurdockIII> http://aspell.net/ 18:27:04 <clokep> Mic: Ah, my bad. Didn't realize we were discussing /silently/ correcting people. My mistake. 18:27:08 <DGMurdockIII> http://hunspell.sourceforge.net/ 18:27:09 <flo> Mic: why should it be silent? 18:27:20 <flo> it could make the corrected word blink for half a minute 18:27:20 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: hunspell is what Mozilla uses. 18:27:49 <Mic> Maybe even silently correcting would help.. while they typed it wrong they still see how it's written properly 18:28:15 <clokep> As long as its marked I think. 18:28:24 <flo> my first idea was to fix it with the fixed words highlighted, and require another hit of the <enter> key to actually send the fixed version 18:28:44 <Mic> Maybe that's a really devious way of teaching people how to type .. 18:28:56 <deOmega> are you talking about my topys? 18:28:59 <Mic> .. they don't even notice that they're being taught.. 18:29:26 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 18:29:36 <clokep> I think helping people's grammar/spelling should be part of the Instantbird goal statement. ;) 18:30:23 <flo> clokep: the idea of delaying the message/prompting was to show who the message is going to be sent to, not what the message is. Usually the user know perfectly what he meant to type, but the mistake is often "where is it typed" 18:30:35 <Mic> Well, Mozilla is dedicated to make the web more --aweso--,.. I meant free and open ofcourse 18:30:59 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 18:31:03 <flo> let's make the spelling and grammar more free! 18:31:06 <clokep> flo: I agree, I think the problem deOmega is having is its not obvious enough who he's talking to? Is that right? 18:31:09 <flo> it should be one of our goals 18:31:29 <Mic> so why not making Instantbird dedicated to literacy 18:31:30 <flo> and then, we can determine later if it's "error-free", or "rule-free" :-D 18:32:10 <Mic> deOmega: don't you even have the Nickcolor extension which should help avoiding these problems? 18:32:20 <flo> sometimes there's also the problem of typing a password in an IM window that poped-up :( 18:32:39 <flo> Mic: wasn't it a coworker who had the problem? 18:33:02 <flo> once I sent an important password that I didn't want to change because of this 18:33:35 <Mic> Was it? Sorry, I had to catch up on messages at that part of the conversation, I guess it slipped my attention 18:33:37 <flo> I've successfully(?) hidden it by typing a lot of similar garbage just after it, then pretending I was cleaning my keyboard 18:33:58 <deOmega> NO, i do not have that problem at the moment, was relaying a riend's experience.. however, i had the password incidents 18:34:06 <clokep> flo: That's a problem on IRC often, when you send the nickserv messages... 18:34:27 <Mic> indeed 18:34:34 <clokep> deOmega: Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were, just meant that's the issue you were discussing, right? Identifying of the recipient/current conversation. 18:34:45 <flo> don't you let libpurple send the nickserv password for you? 18:34:47 <deOmega> clokep: yes 18:35:16 <Mic> flo: is THAT what the password field on the account wizard is for? 18:35:22 <flo> yes 18:35:29 <clokep> flo: Yes, but just in general I'm saying. :) Also when I change my nick I need to re-ID I think? 18:35:57 <flo> if you change it with the nick command I think the identification is kept 18:36:00 <flo> not completely sure though 18:36:26 <Mic> brb 18:36:28 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 18:36:32 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:36:58 <Mic> nice, it's working 18:38:14 <flo> :) 18:39:04 <Mic> Is it sending it directly to nickserv or is it an irc command (PASS?) that gets send and the server sort of forwards it to the services? 18:39:43 <flo> I fear lxr knows better than I do 18:39:47 <Mic> I thought it would be an irc command 18:39:49 <Mic> let me check 18:40:53 <Mic> and since would don't necessarily have to have services to run an IRC server, I concluded that it had to be something different 18:41:08 <Mic> bah 18:41:11 <flo> ok, omnijar packaging needs some fixes 18:43:36 <clokep> Oh no. :( 18:47:44 <Mic> Saving the conversation as html currently opens the download manager 18:47:58 <Mic> Interesting .. 18:55:06 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 18:57:13 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 18:58:29 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 342 to bug 484. 18:58:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 enh, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Changed icons for Options dialog (Windows, Classic theme) 19:06:59 <clokep> Looks good Mic! 19:08:02 <Mic> I'm not looking forward to do the Linux icons .. it feels so wrong to create bad looking icons :P 19:08:24 <clokep> Don't worry, people on Linux don't care how their UI looks. :P 19:11:08 <Mic> ORLY? I thought they only had an exquisite taste concerning their UIs .. a bit of this window manager, adding a piece of this icon set .. 19:11:52 <Mic> Best served with some half translated strings 19:12:01 <Mic> ok, no more trolling for today 19:21:19 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 19:51:55 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 20:00:13 <instantbot> email@example.com added attachment 343 to bug 484. 20:00:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 enh, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Changed icons for Options dialog (Windows, Classic theme) 20:21:00 <tymerkaev> flo: say him that it was fixed 20:21:51 <flo> are you talking about the bug report that I've forwarded? 20:21:57 <flo> if so, you can just click "reply to all" :) 20:24:01 <tymerkaev> I've never seen someone who's using Mac in our country. 20:28:05 <flo> now you know there's at least one :) 20:31:59 <Mic> http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/913/optionsi.png 20:32:20 <Mic> flo: is this what one would expect for Mac? 20:32:29 <flo> Mic: it will be surprising when hovering the "themes" icon ;) 20:32:43 <Mic> At the moment yes 20:32:56 <Mic> I'd just like to get the answer before doing the other half of the work 20:33:48 <flo> in my opinion the bubbles seem a bit too dark. 20:34:13 <flo> they seem to have the same color as the tabs (in the second icon) 20:34:42 <Mic> to the bit ;) 20:46:47 <Mic> http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3429/optionsv.png 20:50:09 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 344 to bug 484. 20:50:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484 enh, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Changed icons for Options dialog 21:14:59 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 21:17:57 <clokep> This is interesting: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-instant-messenger-services-2010-8 21:19:03 * flo just spent 5 minutes wondering how come is linux builds weights as much as 19MB once packaged... before remembering that it's a debug build 21:19:25 --> mokush has joined #instantbird 21:19:26 <-- mokush has quit (Client exited) 21:20:37 <flo> clokep: how is the data collected? 21:21:34 <clokep> flo: I thought they usually give more of a source, but that just mentions from "comScore" i.e. I don't know. 21:23:19 <flo> http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2009/4/Instant_Messaging_Most_Popular_Online_Activity_in_France/%28language%29/eng-US is interesting too :) 21:23:53 <clokep> Yeah, yeah. France. :P 21:24:27 <flo> no, "Instant messaging claimed the highest share of total time spent" ;) 21:24:40 <clokep> It has some break downs by country too? 21:24:56 <flo> I'm interested in studies that I can show to potential "investors" that proves that IM matters. 21:25:14 <clokep> http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2006/04/Europe_Surpasses_North_America_in_Instant_Messenger_Usage/(language)/eng-US ? 21:25:28 <flo> the people I need to convince typically have never used instant messaging... 21:30:21 <Mic> nn 21:31:00 <flo> clokep: 4 years old data. I wish there was an updated version of the same study 21:40:44 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 21:40:53 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a48c3033f222 - Florian Quèze - Use omnijar. 21:41:56 <flo> I guess the only thing left is to check if it works on Windows... 22:03:54 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 22:06:55 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 22:12:34 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 22:15:24 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 22:27:37 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:44:08 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:44:23 <clokep> flo: That's really unfortunate the data is so old. :( 22:45:05 <clokep> So the people you need to convince need to be convinced how IM can help people communicate better or something like that? 22:47:23 <flo> that Instantbird is a valuable project to start a company around it. :) 22:52:31 <clokep> :P A company or a non-profit? Or is there really no distinction? 22:52:37 <clokep> I'm not very business savvy. ;) 22:54:02 <clokep> I.e. I guess what's the "product"? 22:54:10 <flo> the details are a mess 22:54:16 <flo> maybe both a company and a non-profit 22:55:32 <flo> the only real difference between a company and a non-profit is that if the non profit is closed/stopped, the remaining funds need to be donated to similar non-profits (with a company the funds go to the creators/owners of the company) 22:57:05 <flo> one of the most interesting options is to create a company (almost?) fully owned by a non-profit. 22:57:53 <clokep> Hmm...I see. 22:58:10 <flo> you are lucky! :) 22:58:33 <clokep> I took /an/ entrepreneurship class last semester, but we didn't cover that stuff in depth. 22:58:41 <flo> anyway, most of this is irrelevant as long as we haven't ways to produce money from the product 23:00:12 <flo> clokep: it's rarely covered in useful ways because from an entrepreneurship point of view, what we are trying to do (ensuring maximum transparency, and making sure a big company cannot buy it) is totally stupid 23:00:46 <clokep> :) Sounds good to me though. ;) 23:01:10 <flo> if you have ideas for us to make moneys, I'm interested by the way ;) 23:02:35 <clokep> I'm wondering if offering an IM account to a particular network? 23:02:47 <clokep> But I doubt they need that sorta help and Instantbird has a small market share... 23:04:16 <flo> my current "blahblah" on the topic when talking about the "company side" of the project is "if we get millions of users, there will definitively be ways to make money from it, so we need to get lots of users... and for that we need to have a great product, so let's make a great product first" 23:06:42 <clokep> Sounds like a good line. 23:07:09 <flo> after more than a year, it gets a bit old ;) 23:08:58 <flo> my hope is that if I ever need to give up the idea of the company, the project and community will have grown enough before to be able to survive even though I would be working on something else 23:10:12 <clokep> Makes sense. 23:10:50 <flo> there's still a lot of work to do! ;) 23:12:44 <clokep> I know, I know. I'm thinking of some stuff. :P 23:20:33 <clokep> I'll like once the omnijar works then I can just unpackage the nightlies to work on stuff instead of having to compile. 23:21:01 <flo> that was already possible before ;) 23:21:11 <flo> you just need to edit the .manifest files a bit 23:21:14 <clokep> But with more work. :-D 23:21:16 <clokep> Exactly. 23:26:08 <flo> by the way, I believe omnijar works ;) 23:26:48 <flo> I'm currently doing a windows build to see how things are doing there (and fix the installer bug), and then I guess we will be ready to merge the mozilla2 branch 23:27:22 <clokep> Awesome. :) Hopefully there aren't too many issues w/ the Windows build. 23:29:29 <flo> it's sloooooooow ;) 23:29:51 <flo> was going to say "I guess I'll go to bed and see the result tomorrow" but... it just failed :( 23:30:26 <clokep> Oh no. :( 23:31:23 <flo> arg 23:31:29 <flo> I always forget how terrible windows is :( 23:31:49 <clokep> Easy fix or no? 23:32:20 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 23:32:40 <flo> I don't understand the problem yet 23:34:30 <clokep> I wasn't sure if it was the one you were expecting or not. 23:37:36 <flo> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/779397 23:52:04 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre)