#instantbird log on 08 24 2010

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05:40:21 <mib_imsfqw> hello I have problem with protocol Gadu-gadu
05:41:23 <mib_imsfqw> and the same with other protocols except FB
05:41:49 <mib_imsfqw> Instanbird doesn't import list of contacts :(
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09:41:39 <Mic> hi
09:42:01 <Mic> It seems Gadu Gadu is making most problems by far
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10:07:30 <rikki> i've had a look into conversation.xml in instantbird.jar but im not quite sure if its the place i should be looking for handling the message text box
10:12:50 <flo> it's probably the right place
10:13:56 <rikki> i was hoping that i could do this as an extension
10:14:29 <flo> why not?
10:14:43 <rikki> first i should learn the limitations of them
10:14:54 <rikki> like i can change the values in conversation.xml
10:15:19 <rikki> or some other system to hook into it
10:15:32 <flo> there are a few example add-ons that change functions or conversation.xml
10:16:04 <rikki> gah i forgot to look at that
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10:25:53 <iLobster> Greetings
10:26:09 <Mic|web> welcome iLobster
10:26:45 <Mic|web> flo: what's the thing with translators (ab)using the string compatibility between 0.2 and the nightlies?
10:27:10 <Mic|web> That they're using the repositories to create translations for 0.2 while it would be for nightlies now or something like that?
10:29:04 <flo> something like that :)
10:29:36 <flo> we have made no string change since the release, and we are still on Mozilla 1.9.2 for the nightlies (and the l10n buildbot)
10:30:15 <flo> I know some translators take the .xpi buildbot generates (which are marked compatible with 0.3a1pre only) and change the install.rdf to 0.2
10:30:17 <Mic|web> Branches on the l10n repositories would fix this
10:30:50 <Mic|web> wouldn't they ..?
10:30:58 <flo> we will need to figure out a way to create langpack for 0.2 once we can no longer use this trick
10:31:23 <flo> adding branches/tags in each locale repository is the easy part
10:31:39 <flo> we also need to change the buildbot configuration to use either the mozilla strings for 1.9.2 or 2.0
10:32:23 <iLobster> looks like Ivan Komarov makes some fixes to ICQ encoding problems: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/GSoC2010/ImproveICQ
10:32:23 <iLobster> http://pidgin.im/pipermail/devel/2010-August/009783.html - task 2
10:32:23 <iLobster> http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/10833
10:32:23 <iLobster> will it help in case of Instantbird?
10:32:28 <Mic|web> Ah.. right. There is this obscure stuff going on with different repositories that the strings come from ..
10:33:02 <Mic|web> ok, I just know too little about these things
10:33:24 <flo> yeah, and the repository changes for the mozilla part depending on the version
10:35:14 <flo> for example http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/it for 2.0 it, and http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.2/it for 1.9.2
10:37:53 <flo> iLobster: this code is used in Instantbird so improving it should help Instantbird too.
10:39:14 <Mic|web> iLobster: do you have problems with the encoding somwhere?
10:39:31 <Mic|web> I had some with ICQ as well and I think I fixed it by setting another encoding on the account settings dialog...
10:44:03 <Mic|web> flo: I'd be interested in your opinion concerning 'quiet mode' and 'buddy preferences' btw
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10:44:26 <Mic|web> Depending on the outcome I'd give the one or the other a few more thoughts
10:49:42 <rikki> flo: is there any easier way to overide the message sending (line 483 - 484 of conversation.xml)? or can the actions done by that be overiden?
10:49:46 <flo> https://wiki.instantbird.org/File:BuddySettingsQuickHack.png is this what you want feedback on, or the text in bug 479? :)
10:49:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=479 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide means to manage per-buddy-settings reasonably
10:50:40 <flo> I'm not quite sure what you are refering to about "quiet mode"
10:51:26 <Mic|web> ok, I'll add some details on bug 470 later
10:51:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Quiet mode
10:52:58 <flo> I've already spent quite some time thinking about buddy specific settings, but I took the problem by the opposite side (I started with back-end first, you started with the UI)
10:53:58 <flo> rikki: easier than what?
10:54:46 <rikki> then replaceing code from the existing if statement
10:55:12 <iLobster> Mic|web: yes, with ICQ protocol. When my account is offline and someone send me message in non english (cyrillic in my case) i get something like that: dnap{i dem|, nok`r` eqr|, rnb`p eqr|, lnfmn ophegf`r| - it's completly broken and unreadable
10:55:14 <rikki> to e.g. call a function in the extension
10:56:13 <Mic|web> flo: then this is just a sort of UI proposal (if you agree that this problems should be adressed in general, so that there's a common way to manage buddy specific settings)
10:56:47 <Mic|web> And it works when you're online?
10:56:55 <iLobster> yes
10:57:08 <iLobster> problems only in offline
10:57:25 <flo> Mic: my first idea was to use the future tag system for that kind of customization
10:57:58 <Mic|web> tags are a sort of flexible groups?
10:58:30 <flo> setting some specific behavior for a buddy would be as easy as adding a tag on the buddy
10:58:46 <Mic|web> oh ..
10:58:57 <flo> for example, you could add "no-sign-on-sound" and it would shutup when the buddy signs-on (if that tag is supported by the sound system)
10:59:30 <flo> that's quite nice for the API, for add-on authors, etc...
10:59:54 <Mic|web> I thought of other tags then .. like tagging a buddy of let's say a brother with "Family", "Gaming", "German"
11:00:07 <flo> but it's not really user friendly: the list of possible tags to add on a buddy to trigger a specific behavior rather than just adding the buddy in a new "group" is hardly discoverable
11:00:27 <Mic|web> A way to organize your buddies with something that's not as rigid as the groups system
11:00:42 <flo> yeah, that was the original tag idea :)
11:01:10 <Mic|web> oh.. in my proposal (even though I haven't written it)
11:01:20 <flo> there could also be dynamic tags that would be the result of a query
11:01:21 <Mic|web> there would be global and group specific settings
11:01:58 <Mic|web> So you could start coarse and add more fine tuned settings for specific buddies
11:02:28 <flo> if we decide that using tags in the backend for setting is right, but it makes a poor UI, we can hide it
11:02:51 <flo> for example decide that all the tags used for UI settings will start with "." and won't be shown in the list of tags
11:03:08 <flo> and have a buddy settings dialog that list all the customizations for that specific buddy
11:03:42 <flo> so we would end up with a dialog very similar to what you have in your mockup, and it would be used to add or remove "magic" tags on the buddy
11:03:52 <Mic|web> ah, good idea .. only show the customozed settings and maybe a dialog to select others to change and display on the buddy setting then
11:04:05 <Mic|web> *customized
11:05:10 <Mic|web> Even though my panes would be addon specific at the moment.. so the choice would be to show only addons that have customized settings for this buddy
11:05:20 <Mic|web> Anyways, lunch now.
11:05:22 <Mic|web> bbl
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11:06:34 <flo> another idea of a simpler backend would be to provide a JS object for each buddy, and let add-on authors set whatever data they want in the object
11:07:12 <flo> the content of that object would be serialized to JSON and stored automatically in the buddy list sqlite database
11:08:20 <flo> that's not as good for the uniformity of the UI, but it leaves room for more complicated settings
11:08:33 <flo> obviously, the tag system proposition only allows boolean settings
11:10:21 <flo> if you want to store something like "next time this buddy signs-on, remind me that I should ask <something specific>", the tag system is obviously not appropriate
11:11:37 <flo> rikki: there's currently no way to change messages that about to be sent without touching the UI code. There may be one in the future.
11:12:37 <rikki> so either im going down the wrong track, or i can't intercept messages before being sent and process them and then not send them out?
11:14:09 <flo> just touch the UI code (conversation.xml)
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11:58:45 <Mic|web> My idea was to have branches in the preferences system for buddies 
11:58:53 <Mic|web> or even some sort of 'namespace'
11:59:05 <Mic|web> I just don't know if something like this is feasible at all
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12:04:09 <Mic|web> Something that would allow to use preferences as usual, only that it applies to a certain buddy
12:04:30 <Mic|web> (or group)
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12:57:17 <Morian> sumobot: status
12:57:18 <sumobot> Morian: I've been up 11 days.
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14:32:15 <deOmega> good morning IB
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15:05:50 <deOmega> on the nightlies.. is there a way to know when an improvement has been made besides stability/bugs? eg.. if a new feature was added  
15:27:00 <Mic> Not really.. you'd need to read the summary of the checked in changes of the repository
15:27:26 <Mic> There is a bug open that for example might show the summaries at least 
15:27:37 <Mic> bug fixes usually carry the bug number in the summary
15:27:37 <Mic> gtg
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15:37:30 <clokep> deOmega: checkins show up in this channel, or you can check the RSS feeds?
15:37:48 <clokep> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rss-log
15:51:41 <deOmega> Mic: clokep: thank you
15:51:45 <deOmega> I subscribed
15:52:51 <clokep> No problem.
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17:04:37 <deOmega> is this confirmed?
17:05:00 <deOmega> lol.. wrong hole
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17:13:55 <clokep> Hmmmm...OK...
17:18:58 <deOmega> lol.. typed in wrong window
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18:01:27 <Mic> Good evening
18:14:31 <clokep> Howdy Mic.
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18:26:17 <Mic> flo: What is this for?
18:26:19 <Mic> https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/8315f77af576/instantbird/content/preferences/messagestyle.js#l162
18:26:40 <Mic> Is it supposed to fire a change-event and update related things like selectedItem/selectedIndex?
18:27:05 <flo> ouch
18:27:33 <flo> yes, exactly
18:27:53 <Mic> Does it actually work?
18:28:00 <flo> I hope so :)
18:28:09 <flo> It used to work when I added it at least
18:28:22 <Mic> ok
18:29:22 <flo> .value was probably set initially before the XBL binding of "themeName" (that's a menulist I guess) was applied
18:31:27 <Mic> I just wondered because MDC says on 'selectedItem':
18:31:31 <Mic> Holds the currently selected item. If no item is currently selected, this value will be null. You can select an item by setting this value. A select event will be sent to the element when it is changed either via this property, the selectedIndex  property, or changed by the user. 
18:31:57 <Mic> ie it doesn't mention that changing 'value' would also work
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18:42:21 <deOmega> so...  any word on the windows system tray icon?  :)
18:45:21 <clokep> deOmega: I did a little work on it but function names were being mangled on Windows and I got frustrated, so I stopped.
18:45:24 <clokep> I didn't really get anywhere thoguh.
18:46:16 <deOmega> ouch
18:46:28 <deOmega> I am  glad that you tried though
18:47:23 <clokep> I'm going to work on it in a bit now that the bug was fixed that was mangling the function names. :)
18:47:36 <clokep> But would prefer not to do too much until the mozilla2 stuff is stable for Instantbird.
18:47:37 <deOmega> ohh.. wow
18:47:40 <clokep> I was developing it on Firefox.
18:48:13 <deOmega> i did not know anyone was really workin on it... i  just asked in jest.. but with  hope
18:48:28 * Mic is annoyed by the account manager..
18:50:05 <deOmega> hopefully in the next 4 years or so i could have my son   helping you guys out :)
18:50:41 <Mic> Sorry, no child labour here :P
18:50:55 <deOmega> he is 2..  will be 6 then
18:51:08 <deOmega> JK... he is 14
18:51:21 <Mic> :D
18:53:28 <Mic> bah, the account manager always gets in the way :(
18:53:38 <Mic> I don't like "Look at me" dialogs ..
18:59:13 <clokep> 14 isn't too young. ;)
18:59:24 <clokep> Account manager gets in the way of what?
19:00:24 <deOmega> clokep: And i would agree if e was ready :)
19:04:16 <Mic> clokep: when trying some things I usually start Ib with no auto connect, problem is .. the Account manager pops up
19:04:41 <Mic> That's intentional but annoying in my case ;)
19:04:44 <clokep> Ah, yes. I had that issue to. Its annoying haha.
19:04:56 <clokep> Create a dummy protocol that juts does nothing. ;)
19:05:49 <Mic> Interesting: you can have keyboard focus on a background tab on the Options window
19:06:09 <Mic> ie you can cycle through the emoticon themes while the messagestyle tab is displayed
19:08:04 <clokep> :-\
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19:27:13 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 336 to bug 463.
19:27:14 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 336 on bug 463.
19:27:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463 min, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Theme dropdowns allow selecting of item with no content
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19:30:56 <Mic> d'oh .. missed spaces before opening bracket after if clause .. this means it will give at least coding style nits ;)
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20:06:10 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 337 to bug 480.
20:06:11 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 337 on bug 480.
20:06:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480 nor, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Reconnection timer not stopped when deleting account
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20:33:51 <flo> where does the space between instantbird and .org come from?
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20:39:48 <Mic> flo: maybe intentionally added to make the adress 'unreadable'?
20:40:10 <flo> by instantbot or by you? :)
20:41:30 <Mic> oh ..
20:41:54 <Mic> ah, not by me. Not even unintenionally ;)
20:47:28 <flo> I guess now I understand why it sometimes takes ages to get a review for a Mozilla patch :-/
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20:49:19 <clokep> Always difficult reading other's code. :(
20:49:26 <flo> yeah
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20:50:31 <hicham> that is why we invented comments
20:50:56 <flo> and when something is not "right", it's difficult to give a helpful review comment without first understanding where the misunderstanding was
20:50:59 <Mic> Is it about the smileys-in-links patch?
20:51:34 <flo> or sometimes the reason why there is a bug in a file is because the code is confusing in the first place, so any attempt to fix something more results in more confusion
20:52:17 <flo> that last remark could apply to the smileys in links thing, it certainly applied to all bugs related to conversation textbox sizing, and could well apply to theme previews in the preference dialog
20:53:08 <flo> Mic: I can't concentrate enough this evening to understand the code involved in bug 463.
20:53:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463 min, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Theme dropdowns allow selecting of item with no content
20:54:37 <Mic> ah, ok ..
20:55:24 <Mic> Shall I give some comments?
20:56:13 <flo> it could help a bit.
20:56:35 <flo> though the difficult part for the review is probably remembering why the existing code is like it is
20:56:39 <clokep> Btw flo, are there coding style guidlines are do we just use Mozilla's for now?
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20:57:00 <flo> there has been several bug there already. (the preferences don't behave the same on all OSes).
20:57:14 <flo> clokep: like Mozilla :)
20:57:17 <Mic> smileys and messagestyles are having the same problems, so I'll concentrate on only messagestyles
20:57:31 <Mic> (ie problems with the drop down boxes)
20:57:59 <Mic> I'll insert some comment and pastebin it in a minute
20:59:01 <flo> post them in the bug rather than on pastebin :)
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21:11:05 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/365 if you prefer highlighted code
21:11:53 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 337 on bug 480.
21:11:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480 nor, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Reconnection timer not stopped when deleting account
21:13:05 <flo> thanks :)
21:28:11 <Mic> I guess I'll need some time to see how the account manager actually works before trying to fix this again
21:34:08 <flo> I gave you almost the line you need to patch ;)
21:36:20 <flo> how do you reproduce bug 463 by the way?
21:36:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463 min, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Theme dropdowns allow selecting of item with no content
21:38:56 <Mic> ?
21:39:19 <flo> is it only on Windows?
21:39:49 <Mic> It's on Windows, I wasn't able to try anywhere else
21:40:16 <Mic> STR are the first paragraph of comment 0 btw
21:40:43 <flo> I've just tried to reproduce on Linux and couldn't ;)
21:40:54 <DGMurdockIII> what bug
21:41:12 <flo> I was wondering if it could mean that the underlying mozilla bug has been fixed on Mozilla 2.0
21:41:25 <flo> (I'm still trying to debug my instantbird on mozilla 2.0 build...)
21:42:13 <Mic> Maybe better: 1. You must not have any extra message themes installed, 2. Set keyboard focus on the dropdown; with dropdown collapsed 3. Use up/down keys to go through the items
21:42:20 <DGMurdockIII> im on windows so maybe i can see if it hapens to me but if it has to do with using irc on instantbird count meout
21:42:38 <flo> Mic: that's exactly what I've done.
21:42:46 <flo> so I'm now sure I can't reproduce on Linux with Mozilla 2
21:43:19 <DGMurdockIII> hey do you want my help or not
21:43:24 <Mic> good :)
21:44:03 <Mic> It's about bug 463
21:44:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463 min, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Theme dropdowns allow selecting of item with no content
21:44:22 <DGMurdockIII> i'll look at it
21:45:30 <Mic> flo: I don't think it's fixed in general
21:46:00 <Mic> This is the Mozilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302060
21:46:05 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Mic2): is this with a custom theme your working on
21:46:05 <DGMurdockIII> 2(micahg2): is this with a custom theme your working on
21:46:18 <micahg> hmm, tab complete failiure :)
21:46:32 <DGMurdockIII> mic is this with a custom theme your working on
21:46:35 * micahg is one of the Ubuntu maintainers for Instantbird
21:46:40 <Mic> You must not have any message themes installed if you really like to try
21:46:48 <flo> Mic: well, no real activity there since 2008
21:47:01 <DGMurdockIII> any of the ones from the addon site
21:47:05 <flo> micahg: oh, that's interesting! :)
21:47:19 <micahg> sorry, never found a good time to introduce myself
21:47:27 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: None
21:47:30 <micahg> if you need anything fixed there, feel free to ping me
21:47:49 <flo> a summary of the current situation could help ;)
21:47:50 <DGMurdockIII> all i have is the defult instantbird theme
21:47:55 <Mic> Is there an Instantbird package for Ubuntu?
21:48:06 <micahg> Mic: yes, 0.2 is in 
21:48:10 <micahg> for maverick at least
21:48:25 <Mic> Ah, nice :)
21:48:26 <flo> I think the last time I checked I found only a source package, no binary 
21:48:41 <DGMurdockIII> opps
21:48:49 <micahg> we fixed that, it didn't build straight from a Debian sync
21:49:00 <DGMurdockIII> you ment message styles not tthemes
21:49:12 <DGMurdockIII> im a dummy
21:49:17 <flo> ok. Thanks for working on this! :)
21:49:34 <Mic> sorry, "message styles" is the correct expression
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21:49:45 <DGMurdockIII> i have the defule ones that are there with the nightly build
21:50:14 <Mic> The ones that come built-in are ok
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21:50:29 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: which OS are you using?
21:50:43 <DGMurdockIII> windows 7 64bit
21:52:14 <DGMurdockIII> Error: Discarding invalid msnobj: '<msnobj Creator="pyroflame_joe@hotmail.com" Size="2638" Type="3" SHA1D="4+ellFHCzuOGC6nFr3AQnJitBO4=" Url="" Url1="http://blufiles.storage.msn.com/y1mzedd_P-RHo98JZqFJJsiSAgfLrAzwbDiwCjAxRzeOE3UA1MdmPYttSC51lKesy4gNvMGd4qwZdCLAallFWvtWQ"/>'
21:52:14 <DGMurdockIII> Source File: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/raw-file/8315f77af576/purple/libpurple/protocols/msn/object.c
21:52:14 <DGMurdockIII> Line: 105
21:52:14 <DGMurdockIII> Source Code:
21:52:14 <DGMurdockIII> msn: msn_object_new_from_string
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21:54:18 <Mic> If you have several lines to paste, you can use Pastebin ( http://pastebin.instantbird.com/ ) to store it and get a link
21:54:28 <Mic> Makes it easier to find the pasted parts again
21:55:12 * Mic is dead tired
21:55:18 <Mic> Good night
21:56:22 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.extpaste.com/#3210
21:56:32 <DGMurdockIII> there is the error
21:57:11 <flo> Mic: Good night
21:57:25 * flo is tired too.
21:57:42 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): what synticx hylighting shold i use
21:57:56 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): what syntax*
21:59:06 <DGMurdockIII> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/366
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