#instantbird log on 07 28 2010

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00:43:56 <clokep> Mic that bug was fixed immediately after the 0.3 release. :) I just didn't expect the prefs page to take so long so I saved it.
00:44:12 <clokep> It doesn't subtract off the length of the first match.
00:44:30 <clokep> Thanks though. :)
00:45:26 <clokep> Use the "getProtocols()"? I think that is what I use though? I copied the code out of the create account window.
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00:51:07 <clokep> So got my friend set up with Instantbird yesterday. The "only thing he's noticed" that is wrong is that you can't selectively disable sounds.
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01:03:37 <clokep> Yeah, I checked Mic: I'm using the getProtocols function and then pushing them into an array and sorting them, which is the same way that account manager does it.
01:20:12 <clokep> I think my test code had an array in it just so I had a bunch of IDs to play w/.
01:26:06 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.theperegrine.com/videos/
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08:54:03 <Mic> flo: I never use the offline status
08:54:17 <Mic> I just tried it and was surprised on setting it back to available
08:54:35 <Mic> I hadn't expected it to open the account manager but to reconnect the previously connected accounts
08:55:40 <Mic> clokep: I guess I missed that :D I only saw an array with protocol ids (or was it names?) and jumped to a conclusion;)
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09:34:33 <flo> "reconnect the previously connected accounts" that's the expected behavior
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09:52:02 <Mic> strange
09:52:46 <Mic> Nothing even happens on manually trying to connect the accounts
09:53:02 <flo> ok, you have the same problem I had yesterday
09:53:04 <Mic> Not even an error message on the console
09:53:25 <flo> so now I'm sure, there's a bug since the js-proto landing ;)
09:53:34 <Mic> Successive offline/online changes can fix it though
09:53:55 <Mic> partially ;)
09:54:11 <Mic> My ICQ account is still dead (unusable)
09:54:17 <flo> we need a test suite!
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10:43:33 <clokep> flo: I ran into accounts where the "Connect" button was broken after going "offline" and back "available" (using the button, not the command).
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10:51:11 <clokep> And Mic, that file has changed so much since 0.3 that its possible it has just a straight array in it or what, who knows. ;)
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11:41:10 <Mic> we need a german translation for IB :S
11:41:32 <flo> find a friend who would like to translate? ;)
11:43:43 <Mic> Babelzilla is for extensions only if I'm not mistaken?
11:43:52 <Mic> yes .. :S
11:44:07 <flo> yes
11:44:14 <flo> though we could put instantbird as an add-on
11:44:29 <flo> it's not a perfect solution, but we have considered it at some point
11:45:00 <Mic> it would be possible to include Instantbird as addon into another XUL based application?
11:45:24 <flo> libpurple would be problematic
11:45:30 <Mic> Or only "theoretically"?
11:45:37 <flo> but you don't need to upload a working XPI on babelzilla for people to translate it ;)
11:52:17 <flo> hmm, Mozilla lies on the download size of Firefox
11:52:33 <flo> On the button: Free Download 4.0b2 for Mac OS X 10.5 and above French (17.6MB)
11:52:50 <flo> And the file actually weights 20.9MB
11:53:13 <flo> It's nice to see I'm not the only one who has been too lazy to make the size in the button change based on the language :)
11:56:25 * Mic is off attending a PhD thesis defense.. and is curious what will happen there :)
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13:55:31 <kaie> I like the fact that instantbird runs in "portable mode", same as ff and tb. I've added it to my set of portable apps on the portable media
14:04:59 <kaie> I can't login to facebook chat (but it worked yesterday). instantbird says "server closed connection". using default settings and username (not email)
14:05:48 <kaie> this brings me to a bug report. while instantbird is in countdown mode towards the next automatic reconnect, there is no way to cancel it. only way to cancel that seems to be: wait for the moment of the reconnect and click "disconnect"
14:06:18 <skeledrew> sounds like an issue on Facebook's end
14:06:41 <clokep> Or it could be a configuration issue with the way it tries to connect.
14:06:48 <clokep> I connected fine this morning but that doesn't mean much. :)
14:07:06 <skeledrew> he said he connected fine yesterday
14:07:10 <clokep> kaie: Wait a few minutes and try again, see if it works then. Server could be overly busy, etc.
14:07:38 <kaie> ok I will. already logged in to facebook using web, works fine, (no security verification stuff).
14:07:41 <clokep> skeledrew: But still could be configured wrong and now the server is enforcing a certain configuration. ;)
14:07:51 <skeledrew> clokep: and yeah. we could really do with the disconnect function during the countdown
14:07:58 <skeledrew> hmm
14:07:58 <skeledrew> k
14:08:12 <clokep> kaie: You can log in to Facebook on the web on chat at the same time, right? I've never had a need. Just making sure its not the problem. :)
14:08:34 <kaie> I'm using the default configuration. I deleted and recreated the account. anyting specific you want me to try?
14:09:09 <kaie> clokep, web login is not chat login, I think. yes, I was logged in to both web and chat-app (pidgin) and the same time in the past
14:09:15 <kaie> let me try pidgin now
14:09:22 <clokep> No, you could try SSL, but I vaguely feel like Facebook chat doesn't even support SSL. :(
14:09:28 <skeledrew> funny. my Facebook is out right now too...
14:09:42 <clokep> Maybe there servers went down. DoS or something. ;)
14:09:42 <skeledrew> server closing the connection
14:09:54 <skeledrew> yeah
14:10:37 <clokep> Sounds like a server issue to me then. :)
14:10:49 <skeledrew> btw, is there a way to configure the countdown so it doesn't go above a certain amount?
14:10:50 <kaie> good, thanks for confirming
14:11:02 <skeledrew> kaie: np
14:11:03 <clokep> skeledrew: Not that I know of.
14:11:23 <skeledrew> would be a good feature
14:11:38 <clokep> kaie: I think flo told me that if you hit the button while its counting down it will disconnect, but I'm not sure? I asked him abut that at one point too.
14:11:46 <kaie> pidgin doesn't work either, so it's really a server issue
14:11:59 <kaie> clokep, I can try that
14:12:52 <skeledrew> clokep: yeah. you have to hit it twice
14:13:11 <skeledrew> once to connect, then again to disconnect...
14:13:15 <kaie> right, that works
14:13:24 <skeledrew> :)
14:13:49 <clokep> Ah yeah, it shoudl have a "cancel reconnect" state I would think.
14:14:11 <skeledrew> clokep: it doesn't
14:14:27 <clokep> Right, it /should/. ;)
14:14:41 <skeledrew> lol
14:17:14 <Mic> Kaie: you can cancel reconnect from the context menu of the account
14:17:43 <Mic> So it means this is not discoverable? :S
14:17:53 <skeledrew> hmm. didn't notice that one
14:17:54 <kaie> Mic, indeed, I didn't discover that there's a men
14:17:55 <kaie> u
14:18:00 <Mic> np
14:18:16 <Mic> bbl
14:18:22 <kaie> Mic, but during the countdown it says "connect", there's not disconnect 
14:18:35 <skeledrew> an IB tutorial is seriously needed
14:18:37 <kaie> which requires also the other workaround (click twice)
14:18:47 <kaie> ah, now I have a "cancel reconnect"
14:19:24 <kaie> I wouldn't read the tutorial. I'd rather recommend some hint that a rightclick menu exists
14:19:48 <skeledrew> kaie: how about tips?
14:19:52 <kaie> given that the current UI already offers many actions using immediate buttons, it's unexpected to have even more after a rightclick
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14:20:08 <skeledrew> i see
14:20:11 <kaie> I'd recommend a "more" button that opens the right click menu, too
14:20:27 <skeledrew> hmm
14:20:51 <skeledrew> but the purpose of the context menu is to cut down on such things
14:21:09 <skeledrew> so the UI doesn't become cluttered
14:23:01 * skeledrew is researching Android development
14:46:02 <clokep> So flo, does the xul:editor element not work in Instantbird for some reason? (I see its in the conversation binding with a comment that it doesn't work.)
14:47:53 <Mic> kaie: context menus are a rather common UI elements
14:47:56 <Mic> *element
14:48:17 <Mic> I think a "more" menu would be the uncommon thing
14:54:28 <Mic> (but I think it would go well with Pidgin, scnr)
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15:04:49 <Mic> bye
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15:54:01 <kaie> hmm interesting, the logfile directories log identically for pidgin and instantbird, so I could move my old logs over to the IB profile dir
15:55:34 <clokep> Yes. Instantbird uses libpurple to log currently.
15:59:05 <flo> so stop the reconnect countdown, there's a "Stop reconnection attempts" item in the context menu of the account
15:59:53 <kaie> flo, yes trouble was I didn't expect there'd be a context menu. 
16:00:15 <flo> skeledrew: the count down is fully configurable in about:config
16:01:10 <skeledrew> k
16:03:06 <flo> clokep: (about the editor) it used to be seriously broken in a way I couldn't figure out before the 0.1 release (it worked fine before we introduced the tabs). The last time I've tried it, it was broken in a different way that I couldn't understand either.
16:04:08 <clokep> flo: I was trying to use it in a preference window...and it just wouldn't show up at all? I think? I put in the editor and the JS to create it (some stuff I found on MDC / very similar to what you had) and nothing was in the window. :(
16:04:32 <clokep> But no thrown errors.
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16:04:43 <kaie> another idea: while in "automatic reconnect" mode, show two buttons, connect and cancel
16:05:41 <flo> I think my original idea was to have "X" button (like on the tabs) at the end of the "Will reconnect in... " message.
16:10:31 <flo> I don't really remember why it has never been implemented. Maybe because the feature wasn't important enough to be shown so visibly.
16:11:51 <flo> kaie: would a tooltip text above the reconnect message have helped in your case?
16:13:57 <kaie> flo, maybe, not sure. a tooltip won't help touchscreen users
16:14:19 <kaie> the red x would be better
16:14:35 <flo> are you using instantbird with a touch screen?
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16:35:11 <kaie> no :) not me. not yet. just trying to propose an universal solution
16:37:24 <flo> not yet is an interesting answer ;)
16:38:01 <flo> I think we will need a different UI for touch screens, especially if they are small.
16:38:14 <flo> I'll see what I can do to make it work on my android phone.
16:38:26 <flo> I guess all the UI work will apply to maemo too :)
16:39:00 <kaie> facebook works again
16:40:49 <clokep> flo: Not to be annoying, but no idea about the editor? Is that similar to what you were having? Or did nothing show up for you? :)
16:41:09 <clokep>  /s/nothing/something/
16:41:22 <flo> it worked fine as long as there was a single conversation (no tabs) in the window
16:42:59 <clokep> OK. I must be doing something wrong then. :) Will look at it again later.
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17:23:06 <Mic> evening
17:23:21 <clokep> Good day.
17:25:27 <clokep> I'm surprised you haven't released a new version of Buddy Status yet today. ;)
17:35:08 <Mic> hmm, are the notifications on startup fixed on the latest release? I don't remember ..
17:35:37 <Mic> .. let me check. Proper icons + fixed startup messages could be enough to justify one
17:37:34 <Mic> No, the fix is not included yet
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17:45:10 <clokep> :)
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18:12:06 <Mic> flo: you don't happen to remember what this "strange bug" was?
18:12:08 <Mic> https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/31a037eea8b5/instantbird/content/accountWizard.js#l63
18:13:24 <flo> "strange" probably means I didn't have good XBL knowledge at the time :)
18:13:53 <flo> I guess for some reason the listbox binding wasn't attached yet and the .selectedIndex property didn't exist
18:14:03 <flo> using setAttribute instead would likely have helped
18:14:03 <Mic> The workaround with the timeout reminds me of bug 356
18:14:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Doesn't highlight first item in log file list
18:14:32 <Mic> I noticed on this one that it works when I do something before setting selectedIndex .. which points to some timing problem imo
18:15:16 <flo> ok. If you can find a good solution for both, it would be great to remove the timeout workaround :)
18:15:40 <Mic> I would have added the timeout as workaround for the latter ;)
18:15:58 <Mic> I don't think there's anything I can do
18:17:11 <flo> using setAttribute doesn't help?
18:18:30 <Mic> I'll try but I guess no
18:18:37 <Mic> since it's obvious to try this
18:18:54 <flo> you mean I would have found it at the time?
18:19:00 <Mic> yes
18:19:19 <flo> it's very possible that it was at 6am after a sleep less night
18:19:44 <flo> the 3 months of coding that led to 0.1 were quite intense :-D
18:19:48 <Mic> sorry, no
18:19:59 <Mic> I would have found it, not you
18:20:31 <Mic> I mean I was working on this code one day
18:20:37 <Mic> and I reported this bug
18:20:55 <Mic> and it was definitely not at 6am.
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18:25:15 <Mic> My mistake was that I read "You think you would.." first
18:25:27 <flo> don't worry ;)
18:28:31 <Mic> ah, nice :) Protocol icons with overlayed status icons work reliably now :)
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19:21:56 <Mic> flo: do you know which statuses of available(or not), idle and mobile can coincide?
19:22:36 <flo> in purpleIAccountBuddy?
19:22:47 <Mic> exactly
19:23:01 <flo> no idea, sorry.
19:23:09 <flo> it may well be undefined
19:23:37 <flo> well, for idle both available and !available are possible
19:23:52 <flo> for mobile, I've no idea.
19:25:47 <Mic> With idle I was sure .. 
19:26:07 <Mic> the thing was exactly if someone could be idling while away on mobile ;)
19:30:01 <clokep> Mic: I think I've seen that.
19:30:19 <clokep> Oops.
19:30:20 <clokep> I lied.
19:30:27 <clokep> I think I've seen Idling + Mobile.
19:30:32 <clokep> Not Idling + Mobile + Away. :)
19:30:43 <clokep> (I don't think I've ever seen Mobile + Away?)
19:32:04 <Mic> It's ok. I made my decision ;)
19:32:57 <Mic> Mobile takes precedence over other statuses, idle over available and away, I think this order is ok
19:33:32 <clokep> I'd agree that's the most important order. :)
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20:02:53 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 458 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
20:02:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add explanation/offer choice to go online in account manager when "offline"
20:09:04 <flo> Mic: the best way is to copy the order from somewhere else (buddy.xml?) so that if it's not right, it at least looks consistent :)
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20:16:11 <Mic> tymerkaev: I removed the dot behind the russian signed on/off messages, since they can now have a status message as well
20:16:37 <Mic> same rules as for the other status messages are applied now
20:16:59 <Mic> Do you see any problem there?
20:18:18 <Mic> eg someone who signs on as away will have the away status icon now and their custom status message appended like this "ABC has signed on: blablob"
20:21:36 <tymerkaev> Mic: sorry, I was afk
20:21:51 <tymerkaev> type again please
20:24:27 <Mic> pm
20:25:49 <tymerkaev> Mic: Idon't see
20:28:06 <Mic> I modified your translation by removing the dot behind the signed on/off messages. They can have a status message appended now like on any other event. I was asking if your current sign on/off text is ok for that
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21:08:53 <flo> first run of Instantbird on Mozilla 2.0: crash at startup. Cool.
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21:14:13 <Mic> Is there anything special to note when creating an override protocol?
21:15:49 <Mic> eg "has to be included during compiling"?
21:18:22 <flo> just copy the example? :)
21:18:45 <Mic> I already copied the Facebook override
21:19:42 <Mic> and didn't do it properly as I notice .. I'm sorry.
21:20:30 <flo> you will have to change it tomorrow anyway ;)
21:21:20 <Mic> In this case I won't bother today ;)
21:21:44 <flo> well, you will have to add a .manifest file :)
21:24:01 <Mic> hmm
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21:24:48 <Mic> I haven't looked into this yet but is it difficult to distribute components (which the override protocols are?) in an xpi?
21:25:27 <Mic> The idea is to provide override protocols for the chat server of the biggest german social network (which is using xmpp internally)
21:25:33 <Mic> *chat service
21:25:55 <clokep> Mic: You just put the component into an extension's component folder and it pops up as a protocol.
21:26:09 * clokep is doing it with the fakeJStest protocol or whatever its called.
21:26:13 <Mic> Great :)
21:26:33 <Mic> Nothing else needed?
21:26:44 <clokep> Not that I noticed, but as flo said you'll need the manifest now.
21:26:48 <clokep> Once on Gecko 2.0
21:27:09 <Mic> I've read that there are changes for components coming
21:27:14 <clokep> I 'm not even running it as a separate extension, I just threw it into the components folder of one of my other extensions so that its there.
21:27:23 <clokep> Yes, you have to add it to th emanifest file.
21:28:31 <flo> clokep: I'll miss throwing JS files directly inside the components folder for my testing ;)
21:29:11 <clokep> flo: I hardly ever make them, but I could see how it'll be more difficult. :(
21:29:24 <clokep> Does that mean tomorrow's nightly is going to be Gecko-2.0?
21:29:41 <flo> not sure yet
21:29:51 <flo> I'd need to get it working on my local machine first ;)
21:29:55 <Mic> That means .. css transitions from now on?
21:30:07 <flo> yes
21:30:17 <Mic> ok, but don't tell skeledrew :P
21:30:30 <flo> I'm likely to be away from the internet for 7-10 days starting Friday, so pushing a breaking change now may not be the best idea
21:30:45 <clokep> Probably not.
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21:31:16 <flo> I'll push the change anyway so that people can play with it if they want, but maybe in a mozilla2 branch or something
21:32:44 <clokep> Mmhmm.
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21:34:45 <flo> the size of the changes:  61 files changed, 2031 insertions(+), 2436 deletions(-)
21:34:46 <flo>  (for per file values: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/333 )
21:35:14 <clokep> Impressive.
21:35:35 * clokep wonders why he bothered to update his repo last night.
21:36:06 <flo> for more updating pleasure ;)
21:36:29 <clokep> Haha, well all the udpates need to get downloaded anyway so I guess it doesn't matter too much.
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21:53:32 <clokep> Oops.
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21:55:08 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 459 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
21:55:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Clashing accesskeys at Advanced-General
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22:01:33 <Mic> 0.1.4 awaiting review :)
22:08:45 <clokep> Its awfully hard to find documentation for an element named "editor" :p
22:12:30 <flo> clokep: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL/editor
22:12:51 <clokep> Yeah I have that page, I just can't seem to get any code to work.
22:13:48 <clokep> And no errors are thrown so...I'm not sure.
22:17:37 <clokep> OK apparently it just had really bad styling...
22:17:40 <clokep> So I have it now. :)
22:27:43 <flo> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:2.0b3pre) Gecko/20100728 Instantbird/0.3a1pre
22:27:46 <flo> this time it starts :)
22:30:12 <Mic> :)
22:30:26 <clokep> Does it work too or just start? :P
22:30:43 <flo> it connects accounts
22:31:29 <clokep> :)
22:32:13 <flo> I need to fix the things related to the add-on manager
22:34:12 <clokep> At leas tnot many addons use components as far as I know?
22:34:23 * clokep is going to see if his wireless works.
22:35:13 <flo> and I have many new warnings waiting for me in the error console and the terminal ^^
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22:36:50 <clokep1> Apparently it works, Instantbird just doesn't sign back onto all my accounts. ;)
22:37:07 <clokep1> And the two I use were the ones affected (of course).
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22:50:47 * flo tries on Linux too
22:51:06 <clokep1> I just had a weird window with no content show up when I reconnected to my dock...
22:54:48 <flo> DOMInspector and venkman are broken :(
23:24:12 <Mic> nn
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23:28:26 <clokep1> Yeah. :( There's bugs for both though.
23:33:35 <flo> thunderbird as a problem with them too?
23:34:11 <flo> the UI of the new add-on manager makes me sad
23:34:19 <clokep1> Its very undone just so you know.
23:34:24 <clokep1> The real styling isn't applied at all.
23:34:56 <flo> the styling is not the only problem
23:35:03 <clokep1> Venkman: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576869
23:35:45 <flo> DOMi: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576910 ?
23:36:47 <clokep1> Yes. Thanks. :) Couldn't find that one.
23:36:58 <clokep1> (Found calendar, suite, chatzilla though. :P
23:37:27 <flo> it's supposed to be fixed
23:37:33 <flo> and it seems so when I look at the files I have
23:37:43 <flo> I guess I have another problem somewhere
23:37:58 <clokep1> :-\ I'm not sure.
23:38:06 <clokep1> I haven't seen anything about it.
23:38:09 * clokep1 is now known as clokep