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00:05:19 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 00:54:01 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 00:56:19 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 01:07:20 <-- micahg has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 02:02:18 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 02:04:57 <-- FishFace has quit (Quit: Leaving) 02:14:52 --> FishFace has joined #instantbird 02:39:04 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Ping timeout) 02:41:01 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 03:12:01 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 03:14:44 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 03:17:23 <-- FishFace has quit (Quit: Leaving) 03:23:09 --> FishFace has joined #instantbird 03:24:08 * Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 03:30:58 <-- FishFace has quit (Quit: Leaving) 04:14:21 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 04:17:24 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 04:19:52 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 04:24:07 <clokep> Mic: Putting links on attachments to bugs? What? You mean in auto-link? Could possibly be done. Have to look at the pattern. 04:24:35 <clokep> Also the Product:Addons & Components was definitely meant only for "official" addons. Other ones would be marked as invalid. 04:24:55 <clokep> Also the general "Product:Addons" could probably be used as addons hooks. 04:29:46 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 04:44:44 --> tymerkaev-afk has joined #instantbird 04:46:01 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 05:10:33 * tymerkaev-afk is now known as tymerkaev 05:37:38 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 06:05:05 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 06:09:09 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 06:10:33 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 06:41:33 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 06:42:45 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 06:55:20 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 06:56:12 <Mic> Good morning 07:17:50 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 07:25:19 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 07:35:07 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 08:09:32 <Mic> hmm, let's see 08:10:06 <Mic> I'm starting a new extension :) I guess it will be a quick one so no need to wait until I finish the content preview 08:32:43 <Mic> flo: account-connected is fired after a successful connect? 08:51:06 <Mic> flo: could it be that "buddy-away" is fired on status changes in general? 08:51:16 <flo> yes, that's a bug 08:51:22 <Mic> Sorry 08:51:34 <flo> We will replace it by buddy-status-changed someday 08:51:39 <Mic> I just looked at the wiki article and it says that 08:53:02 <Mic> I'm working on an extension that adresses bug 184 08:53:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Notification on buddy status change/... 08:55:04 <Mic> Maybe we should restyle the notifications popup to make it look more .. Instantbird-ish 08:56:01 <Mic> The current outlook is so plain 09:05:41 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 09:09:48 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 09:13:02 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 09:17:51 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:27:40 --> tymerkaev-afk has joined #instantbird 09:28:24 * tymerkaev-afk is now known as tymerkaev 09:35:51 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 09:49:15 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 09:56:04 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:04:33 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 10:08:13 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 10:10:47 --> MicTest has joined #instantbird 10:11:38 <-- MicTest has left #instantbird () 10:14:09 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 10:16:15 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 10:19:33 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:20:30 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 10:27:42 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:28:07 <Mic> flo: could it be that account-connecting is not fired for automatically connecting accounts? 10:35:17 <flo> Mic: it could be fired before your overlay is loaded 10:42:00 <Mic> too bad .. I need to think of something else then 10:42:19 <Mic> account-connected is too late 10:42:32 <flo> which window are you overlaying? 10:42:53 <Mic> There can be buddy-* events fired before I'm ready (which is bad) 10:42:57 <Mic> blist 10:45:15 <Mic> Basically I'm "muting" "connecting" accounts and unmute them a few seconds after "connected" to avoid an excessive number of sign-on/alias notifications 10:47:26 <flo> that's to avoid the sounds when an account is connected? 10:47:45 <flo> oh, no, for popup notifications? 10:47:55 <Mic> No, I'm displaying a notification window with a message saying what happened 10:48:13 <Mic> e.g. "flo is away now: blablob" 10:50:44 <flo> isn't the account-connected signal always before the buddy-signed-on signals? 10:51:22 <flo> are you using a debug build? If so, you can make it print all notifications to the terminal to check in which order they are fired 10:51:46 <Mic> I'm not using a debug build 10:52:50 <Mic> I registered an observer for the buddy+account events and wrote them to the error console 10:54:19 <Mic> If they appear in the same order as they are written, then it's possible to have buddy events before the connected event 10:54:47 <Mic> (at least buddy-alias events, I'm not sure about the others) 10:56:35 <flo> aren't buddy-alias when loading the buddy list? 10:59:19 <flo> this is how I see them: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/313 11:02:13 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/314 11:03:20 <flo> I know the oscar plugins notifies of a lot of status changed for offline buddies 11:03:29 <flo> I've only tested it on AIM 11:03:33 <flo> I guess you are on ICQ? 11:03:38 <Mic> It's ICQ here 11:04:35 <flo> interesting details on MSN: you are notified of "signed-off" when someone who is invisible disconnects :-D. Being "invisible" only hides "signed-on" and "status changed" notifications, not "signed-off" :-P. 11:04:37 <Mic> Beside that it's working fine so far :) I only need an options dialog to chose which events should be shown or hidden 11:05:04 <Mic> Do you know how invisible works on ICQ? 11:05:19 <flo> not well I guess :-D. 11:05:25 <Mic> They're using the block-list of AIM and do other strange hacks 11:05:26 <flo> invisibility is a mess on almost all protocols 11:05:50 <Mic> So the block list does different things on AIM and ICQ 11:13:15 --> Even has joined #instantbird 11:13:15 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 11:21:55 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:42:57 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 12:44:36 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:49:05 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 13:06:23 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:41:02 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 13:41:02 * ChanServ sets mode +o idechix 13:45:56 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 13:46:47 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 13:46:53 --> Even has joined #instantbird 13:46:53 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 13:49:05 <kaie> hi. I read the faq, however, I'm not clear on your motivation. what additional benefit do you intend to provide, which is not yet available by cross platform pidgin? 14:18:30 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 14:20:48 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 14:27:55 <flo> kaie: Hi! 14:28:07 <kaie> hey 14:28:11 <flo> a better extensibility 14:28:14 <flo> better usability 14:28:36 <flo> we are not trying to compete with Pidgin though. 14:30:15 <flo> you may want to read http://www.instantbird.org/ for a general idea of what motivates us (This page is not technical though) 14:31:47 <flo> kaie: any particular thing you would like to see improved in a future instant messaging client? :) 14:32:52 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 14:32:57 <kaie> flo: ok thanks. I've read the page, but wasn't sure why I'd want to switch from what I have already. Maybe the extensibility is a good argument, if instantbird addons can be created more easily than in pidgin 14:33:26 <kaie> I'd personally like to see spam protection and encryption 14:33:29 <flo> it's easier to create them in XUL/JS than in C using GTK. 14:33:34 <kaie> true 14:33:55 <Mic> btw the addon I started this morning is as good as ready :) 14:34:12 <flo> and pidgin is GTK-based, that's not "really cross platform". Windows users complain that it's not native, Mac users have the X server (though I've heard the GTK situation on Mac improved recently) 14:35:53 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 14:38:00 <kaie> that's a good argument. I think you might want to add the above arguments to the faq page, because probably many people have the same thought as I 14:38:27 <flo> as I've said we are not really trying to make Pidgin users switch to Instantbird (but if they do, we won't be against it either ;)). I'd like if we could "convert" users from Windows Live Messenger, Digsby or Meebo. 14:38:48 <flo> (closed systems that try to lock users and their data in) 14:40:30 <kaie> you won't get the people who want to use the advanced features like webcam or phone 14:40:51 <flo> not now. 14:41:17 <flo> but I don't think Digsby or Meebo support webcams (except maybe by pointing people to a webservice using the flash plugin) 14:41:24 <kaie> pardon me if I'm being a troll, but I think it would more helpful to focus developer resources into adding voice/video functionality to pidgin cross platform, rather than starting another messenger project from scratch 14:41:44 <flo> I think if we make an android version and use Firefox Sync to keep the data in sync in a secure way, it may attract people 14:42:45 <flo> kaie: you can probably say that to the pidgin developers who started two (!) "native Windows UI" projects for Pidgin during last year's summer of code ;) 14:43:20 <kaie> sigh :) 14:43:45 <flo> or those linux people who started all that buzz around empathy/telepathy 14:43:54 <kaie> people are different. I personally don't even notice that pidgin looks non-native in windows (the few times I used windows) 14:44:43 <flo> yeah. Having different people creating different extensions is nice :). 14:45:33 <flo> by the way, if we can leverage the gstreamer work done on Songbird and the webcam work done in various bugs for Fennec, we may be in a pretty good position to have a really cross platform webcam support. 14:45:59 <kaie> I thought songbird stopped to support linux? 14:46:08 <flo> they stopped the QA on Linux. 14:46:35 <flo> but their developers still code on it, so they are not going to stop working on it soon. 14:46:46 <skeledrew> Android version? love what i'm hearing. it's the next big thing and i want to get an Android based phone soon, and it'd be great having IB on it :D 14:46:48 <skeledrew> anyway, bbl 14:47:05 <flo> skeledrew: I'm ordering my Android phone today ;) 14:47:20 <skeledrew> nice :) 14:47:26 * kaie hopes to be able to stay away from google centric android 14:47:37 <skeledrew> been doing some extensive research myself 14:48:09 <skeledrew> might even become a dealer/rooter/modder... 14:48:17 <flo> kaie: N900? :) 14:48:20 <kaie> yes 14:48:34 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 14:49:13 <kaie> I like your comments re video and audio improvements in the core mozilla platform. given that people already work on that for firefox, and having the hope that instantbird will benefit, is a very strong argument in my opinion 14:49:51 <kaie> if you manage to have a cross platform app that supports webcam and calls, you have the killer IM app 14:49:51 <flo> I think the Mozilla platform is really giving lots of potential for improvements :) 14:50:40 <flo> there's still a lot of work to do before we can have webcam support though 14:51:12 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 14:56:30 <deOmega> Android phone platform is awesome :) And i say this being the owner of the g1 which is .. well, 'old'. 14:57:58 <deOmega> Good day by the way, was reading the logs. 14:58:35 <deOmega> kaie: What do you think of apple products? 15:00:18 <deOmega> I do not have a follow-up question, I am just seeking your perspective after seeing your posts. 15:04:18 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 15:13:12 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:16:02 <deOmega> mic: I am curious regarding your extension :) 15:16:19 <Mic> It's as good as finished 15:16:34 <Mic> Despite the stupid bug on loading the application it's working now 15:16:47 <Mic> I've even did an icon already :) 15:16:57 <Mic> *created 15:16:59 <deOmega> I do not know the details of it 15:17:06 <deOmega> or recall 15:17:35 <Mic> oh, it will show a notification window when someone signs on or off, changes status to away, back or idle 15:17:42 <Mic> Or changes his/her name 15:17:52 <deOmega> Is it the one that does videos? 15:17:57 <deOmega> oops 15:17:58 <Mic> It's customizable which events you want to see 15:17:59 <deOmega> sorry 15:18:32 <Mic> Nope, it's something different, but as it was possible to realize it quickly I did it right now 15:19:15 <deOmega> Ah, that is nice. I am certainly looking forward to it. Funny, I did not even realize that this was missing. 15:19:36 <deOmega> Goes back to flo's point about the roadmap 15:19:51 <Mic> I'll polish a bit of the options UI and package it later 15:20:36 <deOmega> well, if you need a guinea pig, just look my way :) 15:23:39 <deOmega> will this show as a pop-up or in the active message window? 15:24:27 <Mic> Like the ones that display messages in background windows (on Windows a small popup in the lower right corner) 15:25:03 <deOmega> perfect! 15:34:15 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 15:35:41 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:35:56 <Mic> Packaging the extension .. 15:40:56 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 15:44:43 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 15:46:02 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:51:41 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 16:02:22 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 16:03:38 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 16:03:45 <Mic> if someone likes to test: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/253/ 16:05:07 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 16:05:20 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:06:31 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 16:07:17 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:07:49 <tymerkaev> Mic: ping 16:07:54 <Mic> pong 16:08:02 <skeledrew1> ball 16:08:17 <tymerkaev> do you need translation for your addon? 16:08:45 <Mic> I'd be especially interested in how the notifications look on Mac (I guess the tiny icons are not well suited for this) 16:09:06 <Mic> It's not localizable yet but sooner or later sure 16:09:31 <Mic> I've noticed that many people complain if something's not available in their own language 16:10:19 <tymerkaev> source on google code? 16:10:57 <Mic> No code for evil Google.. ;) 16:11:11 <tymerkaev> where's source? 16:11:13 <skeledrew1> YES! status notifications :) 16:11:22 <skeledrew1> Mic: thanks 16:11:49 <Mic> I enabled source browsing on AIO 16:12:03 <Mic> So it is here: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/files/browse/331 16:14:17 <skeledrew1> Mic: it's not compat with 0.2b2, and i haven't gotten to upgrading this IB yet :( 16:15:02 <Mic> I haven't tested it with this one but I guess it should work 16:15:09 <Mic> Let me lower the minversion.. 16:15:53 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 16:17:13 <Even> @skeledrew1: Just try to click on check for updates 16:17:24 <Even> @skeledrew1: I think it should update your beta automatically 16:17:38 <skeledrew1> ah 16:17:39 <skeledrew1> k 16:17:50 <Even> @skeledrew1: I *think* 16:18:04 <flo> and if you "check for updates" in the add-ons manager, it will download the compatibility patch for the add-on 16:18:10 <flo> ah, maybe not because it's experimental :-/ 16:18:16 <Mic> skeledrew1: I'd be certainly interested if it works with this version of Ib as well 16:18:17 <Even> It should. 16:18:24 <skeledrew1> yep 16:18:26 <Even> If it's installed, it will take those if it's the same version. 16:18:34 <flo> Even: remora doesn't update experimental add-ons if I remember well 16:18:38 <Even> At least I think it will. 16:18:49 <Mic> It's only 15kB.. so downloading it again shouldn't be a big problem beside the effort 16:18:58 <Even> ^^ 16:19:34 <skeledrew1> Mic: already updated. just need to restart... 16:19:49 <Even> Mic: if you intend to nominate your addon, since I'm here I can do the revview right now ^^ 16:20:09 <Even> I already browsed the source code. Looks OK. 16:21:38 <skeledrew1> hmm. the main window tends to freeze during the update when running from a flash drive. even now it's freezing, and i haven't restarted yet... 16:22:11 <skeledrew1> s/and/though 16:22:38 <Mic> Even: I wanted to fix a problem first 16:23:34 <Mic> and was interested in some feedback before 16:26:54 <skeledrew1> applying updates... 16:26:59 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2) 16:28:15 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 16:29:56 <Mic> Dinner now, I'm back later. 16:33:28 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 16:39:53 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 16:46:58 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 16:47:23 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 16:48:33 <-- deOmega has quit (Ping timeout) 16:48:48 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 16:55:42 <skeledrew1> Mic: notifications working like a charm :). only one minor issue: long status messages go right across the screen. i think it should be wrapped 16:56:32 <Mic> Is it long because of the buddy name? 16:56:57 <Mic> The messages themselves are quite short 16:59:04 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:11:26 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 17:11:46 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 17:27:32 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 17:28:51 --> MicTest has joined #instantbird 17:29:28 <-- MicTest has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 17:34:28 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 17:37:59 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:58:29 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 18:12:24 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 18:43:59 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 18:44:08 --> MicTest has joined #instantbird 18:44:59 <-- MicTest has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 18:57:21 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:20:17 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 19:41:55 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): did you see the bug i posted 19:49:46 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Broken pipe) 21:05:23 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 21:05:29 --> Even has joined #instantbird 21:05:29 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 22:01:11 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 22:39:35 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 23:10:52 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 23:21:26 --> Even has joined #instantbird 23:21:26 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even