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09:29:46 <Mic> *Can 09:36:28 <flo> I guess we can 09:40:17 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 09:55:02 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 09:55:07 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 10:46:24 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:49:09 <Mic> Google's top hit for "Instantbird 0.2": http://instantbird.com/download-0.2b1.html :S 10:52:35 <skeledrew> heh. maybe their spider's just slow 10:53:45 <skeledrew> hey clokep. 10:53:45 <skeledrew> didn't you update VT with the adjustable splitter? 10:54:04 <clokep> skeledrew; Yes, Even most likely has to approve it. 10:54:25 <clokep> Top hit for "instantbird download is "http://instantbird.com/features.html" which is good. 10:55:10 <skeledrew> i d/led VT via the addons manager. got v0.2. is that the right version? 10:55:20 <clokep> That's the newest versoin that's approved. 10:55:23 <clokep> 0.3 has the spliter. 10:55:27 <clokep> +t 10:55:28 <skeledrew> oh 10:55:41 <skeledrew> so it's still experimental 10:55:46 <clokep> Yeah its still pending review. 10:55:50 <clokep> Until it gets approved. 10:55:56 <skeledrew> manual d/l :( 10:55:57 <clokep> But I'm first in line. ;) 10:56:05 <skeledrew> good 10:56:07 <clokep> Or just wait a couple of days and i t'll update. 10:56:19 <skeledrew> i want VT. now 10:56:54 <clokep> Then manual download. ;) 10:57:05 <skeledrew> hmph 10:57:36 <skeledrew> sometimes some things are just too slow for me. esp red tape... 10:59:06 <skeledrew> i don't see a version # 10:59:21 <skeledrew> only latest as a ref 10:59:23 <clokep> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addons/versions/244 11:00:00 <skeledrew> ah. i'm at the right place :) 11:03:45 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 11:04:04 <clokep> Hopefully it works on 0.2, it wasn't very extensively tested. :P 11:04:23 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 11:05:40 <skeledrew> VT totally ROX! 11:05:48 <clokep> Everything works? 11:05:54 <clokep> Lines up correctly? 11:05:59 <skeledrew> hehe. no tabs :D 11:06:04 <Even> Vertical Tabs 0.3 is now pushed to public. 11:06:06 <skeledrew> so far so good 11:06:09 <clokep> Thanks Even. 11:06:20 <Even> No problem :) 11:06:29 <skeledrew> hey. i did the manual for nothing? 11:06:37 <Even> Seems so :P 11:06:42 <skeledrew> ... 11:06:47 <clokep> I'd ideally want to add some sort of notification when a message is received... 11:06:56 <clokep> But I'm not sure. 11:07:04 <skeledrew> title bar 11:07:11 <clokep> Or status bar. 11:07:18 <skeledrew> nah 11:07:21 <Even> Well, I saw the messages a little too late. 11:07:26 <skeledrew> that changes too much 11:07:26 <clokep> Updating... 11:07:28 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:07:32 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 11:07:33 <Even> If I had a little earlier you would have had the update. 11:07:54 <Even> ^^ 11:08:10 <skeledrew> ah well 11:10:09 <clokep> Anyway I'm glad you like it. 11:10:20 <skeledrew> clokep: my tab bar isn't pulling out :( 11:10:30 <clokep> Also Even, it should work somewhat better on Linux (I tested it this time on crunchbang.) 11:10:38 <clokep> skeledrew: Did you hit the grippy? 11:10:47 <skeledrew> yeah 11:10:52 <clokep> Although I could pull it out fine too. 11:11:06 <clokep> Hmm. 11:11:23 <clokep> WFM. 11:11:25 <clokep> Any errors? 11:11:52 <skeledrew> no 11:12:18 <skeledrew> it's just not passing the size of the tab list button 11:12:42 <clokep> You know what steps you did to make it do that? 11:12:54 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:13:01 --> Even has joined #instantbird 11:13:01 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 11:13:45 <clokep> Did I mention the theme in general is pretty ugly in Linux though? :P 11:14:07 <Even> Ok, Vertical Tabs works fine on Linux but tabs have a design that fits to be upside the windows but they are really awful on the right :) 11:14:14 <Even> s/right/left/ 11:14:36 <Even> Yeah, themes do have some issues on Linux :D 11:14:42 <skeledrew> i hid the bar completely, then it jammed when i was pulling it out again to see the tab names (can only see the icons now) 11:15:14 <skeledrew> temp fix: i dragged the tabs to another window... 11:15:40 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:15:43 --> Even has joined #instantbird 11:15:43 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 11:15:50 <Even> OK, normal tabs again :D 11:16:10 <Even> I'm not using enough tabs alotogether to justify Vertical Tabs for now :D 11:16:40 <Even> What I'm really waiting is an extension that fix the buddy loist to the conversation window and uses a panel just like for the tabs for it. 11:16:56 <Even> Would be great to stop having two windows. 11:17:03 <clokep> Even: I noticed that...but there seems to be very little theming done in the Instantbird css file, it must all be done at the toolkit level which I haven't looked at all. 11:17:04 <Even> I'm pretty sure flo is working on something like that. 11:17:08 <Even> Will be great :D 11:17:41 <clokep> skeledrew: You hid it completely by dragging or with the grippy? 11:17:44 <skeledrew> good 11:18:02 <clokep> Hmm...it works for me no matter what I do. :-\ 11:18:20 <Even> @clokep: yeah, it was working fine for me too 11:18:20 <skeledrew> ? 11:18:38 <clokep> skeledrew: What if you recollapse it and pull it back out? 11:18:45 <Even> It is maybe one of those pseudo random hard to debug bugs. 11:18:47 <Even> :) 11:18:55 <skeledrew> the grippy is the line with the couple arrows right? 11:19:03 <clokep> Yes. 11:19:08 <clokep> The thing where when you click it, it collapses. 11:19:11 <clokep> I'll be back. 11:19:11 <skeledrew> i use the grippy 11:19:32 <skeledrew> huh? 11:19:34 <skeledrew> wait a sec 11:20:06 <skeledrew> seems i don't have to collapse it completely for it to not drag out 11:20:27 <skeledrew> having the issue again, and i haven't hidden it 11:21:09 <skeledrew> the double arrow shows as i drag it out, but the bar isn't following it 11:25:28 <clokep> I have no idea. :-\ 11:25:33 <clokep> I'd like to blame a toolkit issue. :) 11:25:36 <clokep> Do you have other extensions? 11:26:29 <skeledrew> yeah 11:26:59 <clokep> Others that deal w/ the tabs/tabbar at all? 11:27:19 <skeledrew> nope 11:27:34 <skeledrew> hmm 11:27:41 <skeledrew> NickServKiller? 11:27:57 <clokep> No I'm running with that too. 11:28:50 <clokep> So let me make sure I correctly understand. 11:29:13 <clokep> Dragging it will just stop working sometimes and the grippy will act is if its dragging but when you leet go of the mouse button, nothing happens? 11:32:17 <clokep> So I need to get going I'll be back in a littl ewhile. 11:32:21 <skeledrew> dragging to the left works great. but dragging to the right runs into something looking like a "max width" issue at (seemingly random) intervals 11:32:39 <clokep> Oh. 11:32:46 <skeledrew> trying to see if i can make a video or something 11:32:49 <clokep> Do you have a custom max-width set in about:config? 11:33:01 <skeledrew> never edited it 11:33:03 <clokep> (min width for that matter) 11:33:09 <clokep> Hm...well there goes that idea. 11:33:17 <clokep> I'll think about it, be back in a bit. 11:33:19 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:45:54 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 11:53:26 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:53:41 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:53:50 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:54:02 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:54:46 <Mic> hmm, the Linux theme of vertical tabs looks really awful indeed 11:55:16 <Mic> but goes well with GTK .. :P scnr 11:56:24 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 11:56:35 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:06:33 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 12:35:12 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 12:35:53 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 12:36:11 <clokep> Mic: I agree! It looks pretty awful...but not any more awful then the rest of GTK, so I was just like "Oh well." 13:08:04 <-- testib has quit (Input/output error) 13:11:16 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 13:13:02 <deOmega> Good day. Congrats on the vertical tabs adjustable feature. I noticed that it has a nice weekly download average already. 13:14:12 <deOmega> clokep hi 5 :) 13:18:41 <clokep> Yes, seems people are using it. 13:18:55 <clokep> Any problems using it so far deOmega? 13:19:20 --> testib has joined #instantbird 13:19:22 <deOmega> none whatsoever. thank you. 13:19:31 <clokep> Good. thanks. 13:20:39 * testib takes a screenshot of the highlight add-on for Instantbird's add-on website. 13:21:04 <flo> arg, the keyword don't seem to be case insensitive 13:21:09 <clokep> That way you can actually make it not experimental? :P 13:21:12 <testib> instantbird 13:21:22 <flo> arg 13:21:25 * flo is stupid 13:21:37 <clokep> Forget an i? 13:21:39 <flo> I've an explicit exception for the "instantbird" keyword in this channel 13:22:02 <clokep> Hahah. Make a new channel? 13:22:16 <clokep> deOmega: Yes, seems like there's ~50 users currently. :) 13:22:32 <deOmega> I think a nice enhancement (Which I assume would be separate), will be to colorize the active tab. 13:22:40 <testib> Hey florian, I like this add-on! 13:22:47 <deOmega> what does 50 current users mean.. that they are online now? 13:22:55 <flo> the "florian" keyword worked! :) 13:23:30 <clokep> deOmega: 49 within 24 hours I think? Not exactly sure how the algorithm works. I usually look at weekly users, but that's kind of tough when I released it like 3.5 weeks ago. 13:23:47 <clokep> Colorize the active tab? That could be done in a few lines of CSS...and it should be "colorized" in that its highlighted. 13:23:54 <clokep> But you mean actually coloreD? 13:24:20 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 13:24:32 <deOmega> yeah let me see if i can post an example for clarification 13:25:39 <deOmega> By the way, it is a bigdeal for me that someone i introduced to it seems to be likingit a lot since yesterday. 13:25:46 <deOmega> to instantbird that is 13:26:02 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2) 13:26:04 <flo> what were the first comments? :) 13:27:37 <deOmega> first comment was: 'I do not think I am gonna be able to give good feedback, because I type a message it sends, you receive it, nothing more to it :)' lol 13:28:31 <skeledrew1> clokep: i think i may have a general idea of what's going on with the addon 13:28:54 <deOmega> second comment was "wow, you can do multiple irc channels and detach tabs too? I like this, I am gonna REALLY explore it. It does what I need" 13:29:57 <clokep> skeledrew1: Please tell! :) 13:30:41 <flo> ok, so to have my add-on public, I need to nominate it so that an editor (myself looking at different pages of the website) can review it, and push it to public 13:31:10 <flo> then I receive an email saying that my add-on was reviewed... by myselft 13:31:11 <flo> pfff 13:31:14 <clokep> Shouldn't there just be a big "Make public now" button? ;) 13:31:28 <deOmega> flo: those are the two initial responses. The followups confirmed the passion. 13:31:35 <flo> apparently the "trusted" status only helps for updates, not the first version 13:32:31 <flo> clokep: I think there should be UI designers on it ;) 13:32:36 <flo> deOmega: looks nice! :) 13:34:00 <flo> the IRC conversation looks so naked without Show Nick 13:34:10 <flo> (I try to have only one add-on enabled at once for my screenshots) 13:34:13 <skeledrew1> clokep: i notice that the right side of the convo panel moves jerkily as i move the gripper. and the rightmost region of the panel will sometimes disappear completely (i hadve to resize the window itself to get it back). i've also experienced similar issues when moving the IRC participants gripper, but it usually just freezes for a while before responding again. to me, it appears there's a resize issue with the convo panel itself... 13:34:15 <clokep> flo: Since when do programmers care about UI or function? :P 13:34:38 <flo> maybe I'm not a programmer then ;) 13:35:05 <clokep> skeledrew1: Interesting. As I said toolkit. ;) Hopefully if someone else is having an issue I'll hear about it. 13:36:49 <flo> I haven't chnged the message theme though 13:37:33 <skeledrew1> clokep: at first, i thought it was just my CPU that couldn't handle excessive resizing properly. now i'm not so sure (though it may still have something to do with it) 13:37:42 * skeledrew1 is now known as skeledrew 13:38:17 <skeledrew> hmm. i need something to alert me when my nick isn't what i want it to be too... 13:38:30 * flo wonders if Even will "recommand" his addons 13:40:44 <-- testib has quit (Input/output error) 13:40:54 <deOmega> Ah, flo... was taking a screenshot and just remembered to tell you why I have not been using the dark message theme with colorize (which I like): I allow others font settings to come through, and I find a number of users messages come through in black...... on a darker background, cannot read it. 13:41:13 <Even> flo: If you're talking about show nicks, I don't have any plans of doing so :P 13:41:19 <Even> *show nick 13:42:02 <flo> too useful to be recommanded? We need to keep it a secret? :-P 13:42:54 <flo> deOmega: I think sending fonts and colors in messages is a bad idea but I do understand that people may want them ;) 13:44:11 <skeledrew> need a notice for when closing a window with multiple tabs, not just unread tabs... 13:47:19 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 13:47:46 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:47:57 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 13:48:09 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:51:30 <deOmega> flo: I understand 13:51:37 <clokep> skeledrew: Its also possible its a difference between 0.2 and 0.3a1pre, but I doubt that since they're pretty much the same. :) 13:52:38 <deOmega> clokep: here you go... http://i28.tinypic.com/10894k3.jpg this is what i meant by tab highlight.. of course the color i chose is ugly 13:53:48 * deOmega does not remember the words he uses from time to time :( 13:54:28 <clokep> Ah, it might just be the theme you're using then. 13:54:38 <clokep> It should use the same "highlighting" as when tabs are horizontal. 13:54:54 <clokep> I.e. my selected tab is a much lighter grey then the not selected tabs. 13:55:33 <flo> you seem to be luck that it works so well with a different theme :) 13:55:38 <flo> *lucky 13:57:32 <deOmega> lol flo. clokep: It lightens a bit with this theme and even on the default theme, it is different yes too, but not so noticeable at a glance for me 13:58:30 <clokep> Hmmm..yeah. I don't think that's something I would add though, it should be "as noticable" as the theme you're using. 13:58:41 <clokep> flo: I think he edited a couple of things to make it work better with vertical tabs. 13:58:59 <flo> oh, ok. Then it's cooperation, not luck :) 13:59:00 <skeledrew> clokep: what kind of difference? 13:59:22 <clokep> Yes. :) I asked if there was anyway I could make it "easier" but he's just overwriting some of my styles with !important. 13:59:36 <clokep> skeledrew: Difference in the binding? I'm not sure. 13:59:53 <clokep> Hey does anyone know Perl here? I don't, but I can read it well enough...but I'm stuck on some syntax. 14:00:23 <skeledrew> i'm using 0.2 14:01:12 <clokep> skeledrew: I know. I'm using 0.3a1pre (or js-proto 0.2, and 0.2 on Linux), it worked well with all of those 14:01:30 <skeledrew> k 14:02:18 <skeledrew> my system's dying :(. having more frequent overheats 14:02:19 <skeledrew> hope it doesn't go completely before i get another 14:02:37 <flo> clokep: having some more fun with js-proto? :) 14:03:26 <clokep> flo: A bit, the JS Test protocol is nice, I can close it and just hit "reconnect" to get the Window back. ;) Not what I'm working on right now. 14:03:34 <clokep> Oh actually I just realized I had a question for you alst night. :-D 14:03:42 <clokep> Which I think I asked once before...but anyway. 14:04:28 <clokep> I attempted to delete anonymous element from a tab element (or replace it) and it throws an error "node" does not exist (and I have to restart Instantbird to be able to open any conversations, it seems to destroy the tabbrowser object). 14:04:37 <clokep> Are you unable to modify anonymous content in that way? 14:04:40 * flo just added a crontab entry to refresh the rss feeds hourly on the frontpage of instantbird.com 14:05:17 <flo> I think you can modify it normally 14:05:52 <flo> the error "node does not exist" was pointing to something in your code or was obscure (no clear location)? 14:06:19 <clokep> Something in my code, the thing is I had anonNode.parentNode.removeChild(anonNode) 14:06:19 <flo> I remember having obscure errors like that when trying to insert messages in a conversation where the browser was not fully loaded yet. 14:06:42 <clokep> but the parentNode is not anonymous, does that matter at all? 14:06:49 <clokep> Hmmm...that could be it. 14:06:59 <flo> that's possible 14:07:28 <flo> removeChild on a non anonymous node may only work on other non-anonymous nodes 14:07:31 <clokep> I mean I suppose I could just replace the binding, but that seems like a messy way to do it. 14:07:50 * clokep is trying to show buddy icons and status icons in a stack on tabs. 14:08:20 <flo> make something like in the buddy list? 14:08:31 <flo> (with the buddy icon instead of the protocol icon) 14:08:46 <clokep> Exactly, but I'm being unable to replace the tab content. :) 14:08:54 <deOmega> clokep: So buddy icons coming soon? :) 14:09:09 <clokep> deOmega: At the rate I'm going...no. :P But eventually. 14:09:44 <flo> well, I don't think replacing the binding by a different one that has the right markup is any more messy than messing with the tags inside the existing one 14:10:20 <deOmega> I have been trying to modify some of my addons to be compatible with .3a1... i change the max version to 3 whatever, but it still does not take 14:10:22 <flo> you don't have to duplicate the code of all the methods, the new binding can inherit them (see the "extends" attribute for bindings) 14:10:29 <clokep> Hmm...possibly. I figured I could just extend the old binding and replace the content (but use the same classes, ids, etc.) and hopefully it'll "just work" (TM) [yeah right] 14:10:39 <clokep> Same thing. :) 14:11:01 <clokep> deOmega: You may have to delete extensions.ini, extensions.rdf and/or extensions.cache in your profile dir 14:13:19 <deOmega> hmm. I was pondering going baack to .2, but then i would miss out on the early new features 14:13:50 <flo> deOmega: which are the incompatible add-ons? 14:15:09 <deOmega> minimize to tray, metalchat, vacation (Well basically, all the addon message styles it seems. 14:18:36 <clokep> The old version of MinTrayR is compatible with 0.3a1pre. ;) Not the new one. 14:20:43 <deOmega> lol.. wow 14:21:06 <deOmega> by teh way, this is what the dark tabs look like http://i28.tinypic.com/5lwdc8.jpg 14:21:13 <deOmega> without me messing with them 14:21:45 <deOmega> you will see the current chat has bigger and brighter text and a slightly lighter bacjground and a border 14:22:29 <clokep> Interesting. 14:23:38 <deOmega> not to mention teh HUGE x. Why am I asking for more tab highlights? My wife may be able to answer that 14:24:50 <clokep> You could always edit your userChrome.css if youw anted to add a bit more. :P 14:25:08 <clokep> That's not something I'm willing to do though since its outside the scope of what VT is supposed to accomplish. 14:25:18 <clokep> Which is simply making the tabs vertical. :) 14:25:40 <deOmega> Makes sense and I understand 14:26:44 <deOmega> It is remarkable to me though that they have come this far 14:27:11 <deOmega> especially considering like i mentioned earlier that the ones for firefox have glitches... these have been very smooth 14:27:21 <deOmega> for me :) 14:27:42 <clokep> I looked at the code for the Firefox ones...they all (in my opinion) do it in very very silly ways...and attempt to do too much. 14:28:33 <deOmega> each one teach one 14:30:16 <deOmega> when you say edit the css.. which css.. for the theme or for ib? 14:32:02 <clokep> userChrome.css is a file that can be placed in a subdirectory of your profile and it allows you to overwrite things in the theme, etc. by hand. 14:32:10 <clokep> I forget exactly where.. 14:32:26 * clokep is checking. 14:33:04 <flo> we should add a wikipage about that 14:33:16 <skeledrew> i never knew that... 14:33:24 <clokep> http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css 14:33:30 <skeledrew> yeah. please do 14:33:31 <flo> as we are going to point to it each time someone complains about a margin being to big or too small :) 14:33:52 * flo is already busy making a Translation FAQ wikipage 14:34:34 <clokep> Not to bring up a testy topic again...but any ideas about that wiki reorganization? ;) 14:35:28 <flo> what was the goal? 14:36:09 <clokep> Make it organized. 14:36:21 <clokep> Get rid of everything having the Instantbird prefix. 14:36:38 <clokep> We should probably just get rid of the Instantbird prefix and then add lots of categories, it seems to be the easiest to me. 14:36:57 <flo> what's a category exactly? 14:37:45 <skeledrew> a directory in a tree? 14:38:41 <flo> so it's a prefix with "/" instead of ":"? 14:38:58 <clokep> Each article can have as many categories as you wish (so we can have "Category:Development") and then when you look at the Category:Development page and it lists all the pages. 14:39:01 <clokep> One sec I'll get an example. 14:39:51 <clokep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_%28novel%29 has a bunch of categories at the bottom (one of which is "Dune novels"), if you view the category at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dune_novels it shows all pages with that category. 14:40:16 <clokep> So it adds "more info" links automagically kind of. 14:40:56 <skeledrew> what about "pages linking here" too? 14:41:07 <clokep> What about it? 14:41:30 <skeledrew> that could be an addition. auto reference 14:41:30 <clokep> Categories are explicit groupings of pages. 14:44:19 <clokep> So al l messages styles would have [[Category:Message Styles]] on the page, then if you go to that page (i.e. wiki.instantbird.org/Category:Message_Styles) it would have links to all of them (you can also edit the actual page there if youw ant.) 14:47:22 * clokep is volunteering to do it, just doesn't want to do stuff that needs to be rolled back. 14:50:39 <deOmega> flo: those blog updates you are doing I think are really a superb way of bridging previously mentioned comm. gap. Shows that there is life while providing tips and general information. I believe that those combined with your proposed more frequent incremental releases should really cover that issue. 14:50:54 <deOmega> clokep: THANK You very much. 14:51:17 <flo> :) 14:51:23 <clokep> deOmega: You're welcome. 14:53:28 <flo> clokep: are categories an addition or something that requires moving all pages around? 14:53:44 <flo> how is the current "Instantbird:" prefix hurtful (except being useless)? 14:55:32 <deOmega> I would like to step back from my earlier amphasis on the roadmap. It could really work to a disadvantage by highlighting what is not there (may be a feature someone does not use, but feel if it is not there the program is not ready :) ) 14:55:58 <clokep> flo: Its not "hurtful" persay, I just think the page names in general suck and can be more descriptive. So if you're going to rename them anyway, removing the Instantbird: prefix would be good. 14:56:03 <deOmega> I was sayiing to make it more visible 14:56:05 <clokep> Categories are independent of page names. 14:56:37 <clokep> (I.e. any page can have any category.) 15:01:57 <flo> deOmega: yeah, we don't want to have a "this is missing" list in the front page 15:10:36 <flo> uh, that looks wrong: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/preferences/advanced.xul#121 15:11:25 <clokep> The browser part? 15:11:31 <flo> yes 15:13:46 <skeledrew> can global hotkeys be made for IB? i've got a sudden interest... 15:18:32 <flo> I hope this will help: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Translation/FAQ 15:20:52 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 15:23:03 <clokep> :) 15:27:22 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 15:34:04 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 15:42:02 <deOmega> hey, did we always have the close on hover in teh tabs? I swear I complained about that being missing... but it works now :) 15:47:53 <clokep> I think its always done that. 15:51:09 <deOmega> I think i am becoming senile at too fast a rate 16:21:38 --> tymerkaev-afk has joined #instantbird 16:21:51 <-- tymerkaev-afk has quit (Quit: Reconnectingâ¦) 16:21:58 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 16:35:16 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 16:43:06 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 16:44:46 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 16:44:47 * ChanServ sets mode +o idechix 17:28:48 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 17:31:35 --> flo has joined #instantbird 17:31:35 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 17:58:47 <-- deOmega has quit (Ping timeout) 17:58:55 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:00:47 <clokep> Have a nice weekend all. 18:01:03 <skeledrew> u 2 cp 18:01:53 <DGMurdockIII> hi 18:02:33 <skeledrew> DGMurdockill: hey 18:02:36 <DGMurdockIII> im still getting the the error where the one group i have is not showing up right 18:03:03 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 18:03:21 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep2): ping u around 18:04:20 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: For a few minutes. 18:04:52 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Was that directed at me? (The error?) 18:04:55 <DGMurdockIII> 2(clokep2): rember that bug i showed you about the one group not showing up correctly 18:05:08 <clokep> No, sorry. :\ 18:05:16 <clokep> Is this with one of my extensions or just Instantbird? 18:05:29 <DGMurdockIII> no let me get a screen shot 18:08:58 <clokep> OK. 18:10:10 <DGMurdockIII> http://imgur.com/3QZfdl&Suoo5 18:10:55 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Yes, now I remember. :) 18:10:58 <clokep> Sorry, lots of things going on. 18:11:23 <DGMurdockIII> im still getting the bug 18:11:55 <clokep> I don't think there was any work done oni t. 18:12:01 <DGMurdockIII> some times it seems like it fixed them i see the error again 18:12:49 <clokep> Hm....its probably an error from Unicode/ASCII conversion or something. I'm not sure exactly. Unfortunately I have to get going -- I need to go drive a few hours. 18:13:04 <clokep> Did you file a bug? 18:13:21 <clokep> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org 18:13:43 <clokep> File a bug, check if there's anything in the error console when it occurs (if there is, you should attach that). 18:14:12 <clokep> You can CC me when filing it -- firstname.lastname@example.org and if I have some time I'll play around with it. (Also copy the correct name of the group into the bug so I can try it out.) 18:14:28 <clokep> Anyway I have to go, sorry. Good luck! 18:14:32 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:15:11 <DGMurdockIII> ok 18:25:13 <ibbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 453 filed by email@example.com. 18:25:15 <ibbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, buddy List group not showing up correctly 18:41:52 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 18:48:56 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:20:40 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 19:32:36 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:13:40 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 20:28:45 --> detroitlibertype has joined #instantbird 20:28:58 <detroitlibertype> do we have any larger icons available? 20:31:42 <flo> larger than what? 20:35:15 <detroitlibertype> 32x32 20:35:57 <detroitlibertype> so that when I have my 7 box set to EXTRA LARGE ICONS my IB shortcut doesn't look itty bitty 20:36:11 <flo> file a bug :) 20:36:19 <detroitlibertype> will do! 20:36:28 <flo> make sure idechix is CC'ed 20:36:45 <detroitlibertype> OK 20:36:59 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2) 20:45:47 --> iBool1 has joined #instantbird 20:46:22 <-- iBool1 has left #instantbird () 20:58:43 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 21:21:45 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:30:09 * flo is trying to script the creation of language repositories 21:57:39 <Mic> flo: are you available for bug discussions? 21:58:54 <flo> mostly 22:03:20 <flo> Mic: what was the question? :) 22:04:07 <Mic> I'm going through the more recent bugs and try to find one myself ;) 22:04:29 <Mic> It was more a general than a specific question .. 22:04:50 <Mic> bug 266 could be covered by bug 341 22:04:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=266 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Instantbird doesn't launch 22:04:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add a way to reorder groups in the buddy list. 22:05:04 <Mic> bug 366 22:05:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Alphabetical sorting of group names 22:06:01 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 22:06:18 <flo> if one can reorder them it's no longer alphabetical 22:06:47 <Mic> The underlying problem is re-ordering in my opinion 22:07:10 <flo> by the way, about the discussion we had the other day: would it help if I create a 0.3 specific "roadmap" page with more details 22:07:18 <flo> the list of things we absolutely want to do 22:07:31 <flo> the "projects" that have started / who is working on them 22:07:35 <flo> and the "todo" projects 22:07:41 <flo> the "would be nice" 22:07:44 <Mic> Sounds good 22:08:17 <flo> and file a bug for each of these project, with a status whiteboard like [0.3-blocker] [0.3-wanted] [0.3-nicetohave]? 22:08:58 <flo> similar to what I did for the "endgame" of 0.2, but doing it before actually beginning, so that people know where they can help (typically the "nice to have" which won't block the release, but would be... nice to have :)) 22:09:18 <Mic> jep 22:09:39 <flo> I'm not sure using the whiteboard is good 22:09:43 <flo> flags are supposed to be for that 22:10:03 <flo> but the bugzilla UI for handling flags seems a bit more complicated 22:10:58 <Mic> I don't know about the alphabetic sorting .. how would someone sort the list(groups?). It would require some UI .. which could indicate the sorting direction (up/down). It could go to a third state indicating that the list is neither up nor down sorted but manually ordered. 22:11:48 <Mic> sorry, that's details 22:11:57 <flo> is there any use for alphabetical ordering of groups? 22:12:10 <flo> inside groups that makes sense, but the group themselves... :-S 22:12:10 <Mic> but the link why I think the bugs are connected 22:12:48 <Mic> Sorting is a way to help to find things again 22:12:53 <flo> I would expect almost everybody to want the most useful groups at the top, and the "useless" at the bottom, maybe even closed 22:13:17 <Mic> Alphabetic is just a way to sort 22:13:23 <flo> well, if you have dozens of groups maybe. Is this something that happens in real life? 22:13:37 <Mic> Don't ask me .. 22:13:47 <flo> I currently have 11 groups 22:14:23 <flo> only one is meaningful (the closed group in which I put contacts I don't want to see) 22:14:28 <flo> all the others are "random" 22:19:24 <flo> I guess my suggestion means I'll have to go through all bugs another time very soon to adjust the whiteboard :-D 22:21:20 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org added attachment 318 to bug 339. 22:21:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Removing an away message should be a one-click action 22:21:32 <Mic> Ah :) 22:21:43 <Mic> Not to myself: treat attachments as well :) 22:21:46 <Mic> *Note 22:22:27 <Mic> clokep, clokep_work: putting links on attachments to bugs could be useful as well 22:23:52 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 22:27:27 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 22:27:43 <flo> by the way, if anybody cares about it, I've put the code of my "all in on" mockup in the addons repository 22:30:21 <Mic> It's much shorter than I anticipated 22:32:24 <flo> :) 22:32:43 <flo> I'm lazy, my add-ons are short ;) 22:34:22 <flo> I hope some of this code will be easy to reduce once we merge the js-proto branch and fix groups there :) 22:34:50 <flo> there should be a default JS implementation of a group, so the add-on should be able to just reuse it 22:35:40 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 22:38:02 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 22:38:12 <skeledrew1> ! 22:38:18 * skeledrew1 is now known as skeledrew 22:39:12 <Mic> What was your opinion on bug 20 (the es-AR translation bug)? 22:39:13 <skeledrew> flo: how do i access it? 22:39:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 nor, P5, ---, florian, UNCO, es-Ar localization 22:39:37 <flo> skeledrew: access what? 22:39:47 <skeledrew> the addon code 22:39:53 <skeledrew> repos 22:39:53 <Mic> (es-Ar is not spanish-spanish but argentinian-spanish) 22:40:01 <flo> skeledrew: https://hg.instantbird.org/addons/ 22:40:07 <skeledrew> thx 22:40:43 <flo> Mic: the leader of the Spanish team asked me if it was relevant to have regional version of the locale and we decided it currently isn't 22:41:00 <flo> if in the future there are critical differences, we will fork the locale into several regional ones 22:41:25 <Mic> We asked for feedback from the author and he didn't reply .. so we should resolve it as incomplete? 22:41:39 <Mic> Or do you think that might offend a future translator? 22:42:04 <flo> ok, I should disable the blocking-0.2 flags 22:42:14 <flo> s/ok, // 22:42:29 <flo> I think we should resolve it 22:43:02 <flo> incomplete sounds good. Maybe add a link to the repository where the work will happen 22:43:27 <flo> and/or show this attachment to the new Spanish translator to see if there's something valuable 22:44:14 <Mic> I've nothing to do with them .. they're not even in the locale list yet :S 22:46:42 <Mic> Linking to irc channels could be done by an addon 22:47:23 <flo> ok, enough scripting for today. Let's use them now :) 22:49:22 <flo> ./create-repository.sh Spanish es-ES es 22:49:35 <instantbot> email@example.com set the Resolution field on bug 405 to WONTFIX. 22:49:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Create links on channel names mentioned in IRC conversations 22:49:40 <flo> Create the repositories with the right values in all the config files and import libpurple translations in one single command. :) 22:55:28 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org set the Resolution field on bug 20 to INCOMPLETE. 22:55:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 nor, P5, ---, florian, RESO INCOMPLETE, es-Ar localization 22:56:29 <Mic> Could you send them a message and point to the initial translation (even though it is for another region) 22:56:33 <Mic> ? 22:57:15 <flo> editing the wiki page becomes the most tedious thing to do :-D 22:57:45 <flo> italian repository added 23:03:53 <Mic> The logo is missing from the repository overview page 23:06:01 <Mic> Bug 449: can't we stuff the status message into a persist-attribute and read/set it after loading again? 23:06:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Status message is lost on restart 23:06:39 <Mic> *persisted 23:06:51 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 23:08:27 <flo> yeah, I haven't finished fixing the apache directory listings 23:09:02 <flo> Mic: you can do that in an add-on if you want. 23:09:18 <flo> to implement it in the core, it's not really a good idea to have it depend on the buddy list being loaded 23:09:41 <flo> that window may go away (for example when it is "reduced" to the systray) 23:10:40 <flo> even for an add-on, it's easy to listen to status-changed notifications and store the value in a pref, and then at startup set the content of the pref as status 23:11:52 <flo> for the core, I think we should set a pref value each time the status is changed, and remove it when the user quits Instantbird (not if it restarts for an upgrade/add-on installation). 23:11:58 <flo> then at startup, read the pref 23:12:19 <flo> some hidden pref in about config could prevent the pref from being deleted upon normal shutdown 23:14:05 <Mic> Would be cleaner 23:14:35 <Mic> I took the idea from the order-of-groups bug which suggests using a persistent attribute 23:15:02 <flo> the orders of group is about how we display it, so it depends on the window in the first place 23:15:18 <flo> we could have several window displaying groups in different orders 23:16:20 <flo> what about having a "small" buddy list with only the important groups, with a transparent background and not border. Having it always on top (only the buddy icon visible, the name would appear on hover), or always on bottom (like an element of the Desktop)? 23:16:57 <Mic> I did something like that with DOMi once 23:17:01 <flo> at some point I had some code of an add-on to "detach" a group. It popped out a group from the buddy list into a separate window. 23:17:12 <Mic> Hiding all other chrome but the list itself and making it as small as possible 23:17:28 <Mic> It crashed at some point ;) 23:17:52 <flo> ahah 23:18:04 <Mic> "with a transparent background and not border." ie ..? 23:18:40 <flo> no border 23:19:48 <Mic> Like: buddy icons hovering the desktop? 23:21:16 <Mic> It's late, good night 23:21:45 <flo> yes 23:21:46 <Mic> Bug 369 and bug 428 could need a decision from your side btw 23:21:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add Localizations component to Bugzilla. 23:21:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Need Product:Addons + Components in Bugzilla 23:22:08 <Mic> nn 23:22:38 <flo> your question in bug 369 wasn't answered by the reporter 23:22:47 <flo> "what's the point?" 23:23:04 <flo> but well, why not 23:23:12 <flo> we need to rethink the way we communicate with translators 23:23:40 <Mic> Since he didn't answer (but still gave an idea) I guess it is open for interpretation ;) 23:23:51 <flo> I guess a product for our "official" add-ons could be useful 23:24:06 <flo> though maybe people would stuff random bugs of add-ons we don't support there 23:25:10 <Mic> the different official addons would go to the Components list then 23:26:50 <Mic> if someone files something with an addon that's not in the list, well it would be invalid (still not the best solution to ignore a bug report but maybe unavoidable if we're going to have such a product) 23:28:35 <flo> or a "wishlist" component? 23:29:49 <-- detroitlibertype has left #instantbird () 23:38:14 <Mic> I was referring to people reporting bugs in existing, but not official extensions 23:39:45 <Mic> good night now 23:39:50 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre)