#instantbird log on 07 19 2010

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02:16:00 <clokep> instantbot: uuid
02:16:01 <instantbot> 51e11f3b-3df6-4d38-82a8-a9555a9df4ae (/msg instantbot cid for CID form)
02:17:07 <hicham> that ib's uuid ?
02:17:26 <clokep> No, I'm generating a couple.
02:17:31 <clokep> instantbot: uuid
02:17:32 <instantbot> 943a2d0d-566b-40fb-80ce-825dabe75a39 (/msg instantbot cid for CID form)
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03:57:22 <skeledrew> i think private convos on IRC channels should show if the person is available or not (instead of them always showing offline), based in if the channel is connected, and the person is currently in the participants list. thoughts?
03:59:18 <clokep> skeledrew: Can't be done, its not part of the spec.
03:59:29 <skeledrew> ?
03:59:37 <skeledrew> meaning?
03:59:41 <clokep> You can't query a server for the online status of an individual.
03:59:51 <skeledrew> no
04:00:01 <skeledrew> but they show in the participants list
04:01:00 <clokep> I'm not sure. flo would know.
04:02:20 <skeledrew> all it would take is to check if the person's name is in the participant's list
04:02:40 <skeledrew> which is always available
04:02:49 <clokep> In the participant's list of what?
04:03:05 <clokep> You can have a private message with someone that you're not in any channels w/.
04:03:06 <skeledrew> to your right
04:03:29 <clokep> But you can be having a private message without being in any channels, etc.
04:03:30 <skeledrew> i was ref to channels :)
04:03:35 <clokep> So...it doesn't make sense to do that.
04:03:54 <skeledrew> that is on a channel?
04:04:41 <skeledrew> my use case is this:
04:06:36 <skeledrew> say you're speaking to someone in IRC, but privately. instead of manually having to look in the participants list (which is already available) for the name, their presence (or lack of it) would be showing in the tab...
04:08:08 <skeledrew> i smell another addon...
04:08:26 <clokep> I'm not sure.
04:12:35 <clokep> But I'm not sure the data can be gotten if a user is online without just pinging the server over and over.
04:16:26 <skeledrew> ok
04:17:08 <skeledrew> explain the participant list that's currently to the immediate right of the convo window you're typing in...
04:17:52 <clokep> I think the participants are told when members leave and quite so the program is able to track whether people are available or not.
04:20:24 <skeledrew> yeah
04:20:36 <skeledrew> and i'm saying just use that info
04:20:59 <clokep> But I'm saying what if I private message someone who I'm not in a chat with.
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04:21:55 <skeledrew> it was as default
04:22:02 <skeledrew> *works
04:23:04 <clokep> Hm. Maybe.
04:23:27 <skeledrew> i'm searching the DOM for the list...
04:24:02 <clokep> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#74
04:26:06 <skeledrew> <xul:listboxbody xmlns:xul="http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul" xbl:inherits="rows,size,minheight" xmlns:xbl="http://www.mozilla.org/xbl"/>
04:26:36 <skeledrew> darn. that doesn't give the node path
04:27:43 <clokep> Right.
04:30:25 <clokep> Bed time for me.
04:30:27 <clokep> Goodnight.
04:30:34 <skeledrew> it's in instantbird.xul/window/tabconversation/xul:tabbox/xul:tabpanels/...
04:32:03 <clokep> That sounds right?
04:32:17 <skeledrew> .../conversation/vbox/hbox/vbox(conv-chat)/listbox(conv-nicklist)
04:32:56 <skeledrew> all participants in there...
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04:36:52 * skeledrew made an ordered call list of files accessed by IB from run to account connection...
04:38:22 <skeledrew> pity i can't dig inside the JARs. yet
06:16:44 <flo> skeledrew: are you trying to see what may be slowing donw startup?
06:18:41 <skeledrew> flo: no. nothing wrong with startup. just building a call tree of the files, esp the chrome. gives me a better understanting of how IB (and other Moz apps) really work
06:19:23 <skeledrew> i'm trying to document it (at least in my mind)
06:21:18 <flo> you can use flat chrome if you want to avoid the jar files
06:21:37 <skeledrew> k
06:22:16 <skeledrew> i just may be able to make some proper documentation from this. you never know...
06:23:31 <skeledrew> what's the contents of compreg.dat and xpti.dat about?
06:23:44 <skeledrew> just for clarity
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06:48:06 <flo> I guess you can just open them and see what's inside :)
06:48:26 <flo> I'm not sure, but compreg.dat may go away with the big XPCOM changes on Mozilla 2.°
06:48:28 <flo> *2.0
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06:50:03 <skeledrew> i am looking inside. just don't know what exactly i'm looking at/what it's for
06:50:19 <skeledrew> have a geral idea though
06:50:25 <skeledrew> *general
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09:09:18 <Mic> clokep,clokep_work: afaik there's the "isOn" command that an server can optionally have implemented (if it doesn't then it has to throw an error)
09:09:18 <flo> Good morning
09:09:36 <Mic> At least it says so in RFC 1459
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09:09:39 <Mic> Good morning
09:11:26 <Mic> With ison you can query the online status of several people at once; it takes a space separated list of nick while the request must not exceed 512 bytes in length
09:11:33 <Mic> No other restrictions as far as I can tell
09:16:46 <Mic> And about skeledrews idea: he's saying: instead of keeping track of online IRC users on a per channel basis, he's suggesting to monitor the changes over all conversations and use the data 'globally' to supply this information where necessary
09:17:20 <Mic> If there's a private message with someone not on one of your channels: do as you did so far (show the questionmal-icon) ...
09:17:41 <Mic> ... I am not sure, though, if it might not be confusing that the status is there for some and not for others
09:18:25 <flo> currently you can put irc nicks in your buddy list
09:18:30 <Mic> Maybe it could be a way to reduce status pings by only asking for the online status of people whose status can't be determined by his method ..?
09:21:03 <Mic> The "Microblogging is not IM" argument that you mentioned a few days ago  reminded me of "channels are no buddies" by the way ;)
09:23:15 <flo> bah...
09:30:08 <Mic> What was the point with IRC nicks on the buddylist?
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09:30:25 <Mic> That they'd be shown anyways without channels?
09:31:13 <flo> you can use IRC like an IM protocol
09:31:30 <flo> I've not implemented anything about that, it's the default libpurple behavior
09:32:24 <Mic> Sure, I just pointed out that it might be possible to use the information to advantage (on the cost of consistency)
09:32:28 <Mic> *on cost
09:42:49 <Mic> flo: do you have an idea how much traffic an IRC client usually has?
09:42:59 <flo> no
09:43:22 <Mic> My guess would be pretty little ..
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09:44:41 <orlik> hi all 
09:45:04 <Mic> Most likely there's no way to get this stats out of libpurple without adding own code to the protocol plugin
09:45:09 <Mic> Hi orlik
09:45:34 <orlik> is it possible to turn off status change messages in conversation wondow ? 
09:45:41 <orlik> *window
09:45:53 <Mic> I was wondering if let's say a request of 512bytes/5 minutes would have a big impact
09:48:09 <orlik> Mic last post was for me ? 
09:48:13 <Mic> orlik: I don't think so
09:48:25 <Mic> no, it was directed at flo
09:48:31 <orlik> ok 
09:48:36 <flo> orlik: you mean the "... has gone away" messages?
09:48:43 <orlik> flo yes
09:48:48 <Mic> You can change whether system messages are logged or not, but the display .. I don't think so
09:49:03 <orlik> flo: sometimes it looks like flood 
09:49:32 <flo> if you use the bubbles theme they are collapsed automatically if there are more than 3 consecutive status messages
09:49:33 <orlik> Mic i already turn off logging of this type of messages 
09:50:02 <flo> Mic: they are still logged in the conversation.
09:50:21 <flo> orlik: do you know how to use about:config?
09:50:23 <orlik> flo so, it possible to do , via themes ? 
09:50:32 <orlik> flo: of course
09:50:42 <Mic> With "logged" = "displayed in the conversation" here?
09:50:46 <flo> look at the plugins.core.statenotify.notify_* preferences
09:51:13 <orlik> flo: thank you 
09:51:39 <flo> Mic: the pref about "system messages" logs is about files with the activity of all your buddies, not specifically the ones you have conversations with
09:52:12 <orlik> flo: thank you, it works
09:52:19 <flo> you are welcome :)
09:52:47 <Mic> Ah.. so I actually get signed-on/signed-off messages logged somewhere :)
09:53:20 <Mic> I was interested in this information once .. to see if someone was active
09:54:10 <flo> Mic: look for ".system" folders inside your "logs" folder ;)
09:54:29 <Mic> Thanks ..
09:54:43 <Mic> Finding it is not the problem .. knowing that it's worth to look for it is ;)
09:55:38 <Mic> We should have a "last seen" item on the buddy list tooltip btw
09:56:26 <Mic> ah :)
09:56:28 <Mic> Bug 394
09:56:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show time when a user was "Last seen"
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10:49:54 <clokep> Mic: Keyword for "isOn": optionally implement. ;)
10:59:17 <clokep> I was just more of trying to get at that it would be very confusing if some buddies had online status and others were "unknown".
10:59:57 <clokep> And about the "global" status via chats, etc...chats only let you know if people are online, if someone leaves the room you're in, the status would need to go back to an unknown, which is kind of weird.
11:00:33 <clokep> (I'm assuming whenever a user quits a room -- whether its a part or a quit it looks the same to other clients.)
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12:19:35 <flo> oh, so when I mark an add-on as "trusted", it automatically gets out of the sandbox, but is not visible until I add at least one screenshot. That's... interesting :-S
12:23:37 <clokep> That's a silly design.
12:24:25 <flo> so of the add-ons I've uploaded the other day, only "show nick" is visible
12:24:52 <skeledrew> lol
12:24:56 <hicham> great design
12:25:05 <hicham> so that you won't forget screenshots :D
12:25:12 <skeledrew> hicham: +1
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13:19:20 <Mic> The thing with the screenshot is especially annoying when you're not planning to create addons people will love anyways? :P
13:20:14 <Mic> I think the requirement to have a screenshot is a good one, a picture says more than a thousand words. I mean you can get an impression if the author tried to create a usuable thing ..
13:20:57 <flo> Mic: I love add-ons that don't add any UI element.
13:21:05 <flo> sometimes there's nothing to screenshot
13:22:25 <Mic> That's true ofcourse but if it makes most addons have a reasonable screenshot then it might be worth it in my opinion
13:22:53 <Mic> You could always upload a picture of the extension icon if you like (or the jigsaw puzzle piece at worst)
13:23:24 <clokep> Mic: I always wish I could make icons. :(
13:23:47 <flo> I guess I'll screenshot the part of the UI that becomes more used when the add-on is installed
13:24:06 <flo> screenshot the use case if I can't screenshot the add-on
13:24:48 <Mic> if you don't have an artistic disposition you can always compile existing parts into something related
13:25:05 <Mic> Compare the icon of Link Bugzilla
13:25:22 <flo> reduce a screenshot of a significant UI part into a 32*32 image and it produces a distinctive image :)
13:25:23 <Mic> I took the Bug and the link icon of Wikipedia (MediaWiki) 
13:25:38 <Mic> *Bugzilla Bug
13:26:03 <Mic> I mean it's not fantastic but I'm sure still better than a jigsaw puzzle piece 
13:26:24 <clokep> True. :)
13:26:33 <clokep> I'll make some eventually. I'm just lazy. ;)
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15:19:12 <Tonnes> hi
15:19:35 <Tonnes> what's wrong when "push requires post request" appears?
15:20:06 <clokep> Hello Tonnes.
15:20:31 <Tonnes> hi
15:20:43 <clokep> I'm not sure -- I've never seen that error, when does it happen?
15:20:53 <clokep> (ping: flo, Mic)
15:21:03 <Tonnes> wen clicking Push in hg
15:21:09 <Tonnes> when
15:21:27 <flo> hmm, I've seen that recently, but I don't remember
15:21:42 <clokep> Oh. Can't you choose to push over post or get?
15:22:03 <clokep> (Although pushing over get sounds like a bad idea to me. :P)
15:22:05 <flo> Tonnes: has it asked for your password before?
15:22:26 <Tonnes> clokep: that doesn't ring a bell
15:22:34 <Tonnes> flo: it hasn't
15:22:36 <flo> clokep: the locale repositories are public for reading (GET) and require a password for pushin (POST)
15:22:51 <clokep> flo: You can send a password via a get request too, its just a bad idea.
15:23:09 <clokep> I'm not sure about for Hg, but regular HTTP allows it.
15:23:20 <flo> clokep: it's not the password, but the changeset that one is pushing ;)
15:23:51 <flo> Tonnes: which URL are you trying to push to?
15:24:24 <clokep> flo: True. :) I'll be quiet now. ;)
15:24:25 <Tonnes> I thought it would take the same as the pull path/url
15:24:46 <flo> if it's http, you should try putting https at the beginning of the URL
15:25:43 <Tonnes> ah.. now it says http authorizationreuqired[commandinterrupted]
15:25:55 <Tonnes> without the typos however
15:25:58 <Tonnes> :)
15:26:20 <flo> and it doesn't prompt for a password?
15:26:21 <Tonnes> should I enter the pass beforehand somewhere in tortoise?
15:26:26 <Tonnes> nope
15:26:40 <flo> maybe try https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/nl/repos/
15:26:52 <flo> (adding /repos/)
15:27:10 <Tonnes> similar
15:27:28 <flo> Even: ping.
15:27:38 <clokep> Tonnes: I usually save my passwords in TortoiseHg beforehand but it should prompt regardless.
15:28:46 <clokep> Its in the edit synchronization server settings page for the repository if you're interested. ;)
15:29:04 <Tonnes> hmm.. it could be tortoise perhaps, it's an older version (0.5) that causes sm/tb toolbar and copy/paste issues due to older python, and crashes when doing commit using the gui :)
15:29:22 <Tonnes> how about push  on command line?
15:29:54 <clokep> Update Tortoise? ;) They're at version 1.1.1.
15:30:17 * flo tries with a clone of the repository, and with the command line on mac
15:31:35 <flo> ok, so the error "abort: HTTP Error 405: push requires POST request" is when someone uses http instead of https. We should put that in the FAQ.
15:31:35 <Tonnes> indeed.. although i'm on w2k now, which doesn't allow higher than 0.8
15:31:50 <Tonnes> ah
15:32:00 <Tonnes> probably because I used http for pull as well
15:32:08 <Tonnes> as https did not work at first
15:32:37 <flo> I think think there's a problem caused by pulling with http
15:32:58 <flo> on the test repository I could successfully push with your username and password after changing the URL to https
15:33:08 <flo> so I think there may be a problem with your version of Tortoise
15:36:59 <Tonnes> most likely
15:37:30 <flo> the first "think" was supposed to be "don't" ;)
15:37:57 <Tonnes> :)
15:38:15 <Tonnes> is it hg push <revno.> i should use?
15:38:33 <Tonnes> where revno is local revision number
15:38:43 <flo> hg push is enough
15:38:53 <Tonnes> ah
15:39:32 <flo> but I guess you can specify the revision if you want to push only a part of what you have commited
15:39:41 <Tonnes> success on command line
15:39:46 <flo> cool! :)
15:39:48 <Tonnes> long live commnd line :)
15:40:11 <hicham> tortoisehg is good from what i hear
15:40:33 <Tonnes> pretty good, though it depends on pythonb stuff, right?
15:40:40 <clokep> hicham: I've never had any issues.
15:40:47 <clokep> No, new versions come with prepackaged python.
15:41:02 <Tonnes> must say it may be w2k related, tortoise 0.5 may not even be suitable for w2k
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15:42:19 <flo> Tonnes: so, it seems your locale is (almost?) finished? :)
15:42:41 <Tonnes> the files should all be there, yes, but the search plugins worry me a bit
15:42:58 <Tonnes> and the existig files (purple) may need some cleanup
15:43:23 <flo> ok
15:43:26 <Tonnes> need to read info about changing the icon, and decide on what searhc plugins to use
15:43:41 <flo> for the installer files, have you opportunistically taken most of the strings from Firefox?
15:43:51 <Tonnes> yes
15:43:59 <flo> :)
15:44:22 <flo> I'm not sure how/where we can document it better so that translators don't do more work than needed
15:44:25 <Tonnes> they should match, i beleive it as like 3, 1, 2 changes compared to FF, and it should be the same for nl
15:45:23 <flo> ah, I guess you haven't received the email with the result of your push
15:45:29 <Tonnes> well, you could point to ff files, the ones that are almost identical, so peple don't start translating them as if they are totally new
15:45:40 <flo> in the "author" field of the changeset, the system expects to find "UserName <email>"
15:46:16 <Tonnes> hmno - ah, including <>?
15:46:33 <flo> yes, the <> should be in the field
15:46:50 <flo> like for the from/to fields of email messages
15:47:02 <Tonnes> of course... ;)
15:47:38 <flo> I receive a copy of these emails.
15:47:41 * flo forwards
15:48:02 <Tonnes> ok
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15:52:50 <Tonnes> aii
15:56:38 <Tonnes> are these errors to be ignored, or..?
15:57:05 <flo> those are indications of the missing strings
15:57:13 <flo> so that you don't have to compare the files by hand
15:57:30 <Tonnes> it looks like the purple files are outdated, right?
15:57:43 <flo> libpurple translations are often incomplete
15:58:36 <flo> http://developer.pidgin.im/l10n/ shows that even in the most recent version of Pidgin, only 85% of the strings are in your language
15:58:38 <Tonnes> clear
15:58:50 <Tonnes> aha
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16:05:29 <Tonnes> I'm trying to fnd reasnons to use other searhc plugins than the ones used for FF, as well as how to change the icon. Are there any rules on that?
16:06:05 <flo> you can just copy the search plugins that are in Firefox in your locale if they make sense to use in an IM client
16:06:25 <Tonnes> that's exactly the issue :)
16:06:33 <flo> Google/Wikipedia/Ebay/Amazon make sense (in France at least), so in the French version we have just used the plugins of Firefox
16:06:45 <Tonnes> I see
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16:09:25 * flo thinks it would be a good idea to submit a story for the about:mozilla newsletter
16:09:51 <flo> http://blog.mozilla.com/about_mozilla/ https://wiki.mozilla.org/About:mozilla
16:14:14 <clokep> Probably! Although I always ignore those posts, they're too long. ;)
16:14:22 <flo> yeah
16:14:34 <flo> but I think they are there to provide a summary for people who ignore planet.mozilla.org
16:14:39 <clokep> But I would imagine some people read only that.
16:14:42 <flo> so, maybe for those who have ignored us?
16:14:45 <clokep> Yes, exactly what I was thinking. :)
16:15:52 <flo> does http://queze.net/goinfre/about-mozilla-submission.html look ok?
16:17:14 <clokep> "to the general public a second major version of Instantbird." --> "a second major version of Instantbird to the general public".
16:18:22 <clokep> "For those who have tried Instantbird 0.1 back in 2007 when it was first released" --> "For those who tried Instantbird 0.1 in 2007 when it was first released"
16:18:52 <clokep> Only two things I saw.
16:19:00 * flo really needs to hire someone for the communication work
16:19:14 <flo> too bad we don't have money (yet? :))
16:29:05 <Tonnes> to the general public a second major version of Instantbird -> a second major version of Instantbird to the general public  ;)
16:29:44 <Tonnes> in 5 languages thanks to  -> in 5 languages, thanks to
16:30:38 <Tonnes> like a completely different software -> like completely different software / like a completely different piece of software / like a completely different program
16:32:13 <Tonnes> I'd also rephrase "The most dramatically changed area" and "where there are"
16:32:44 <flo> do you have a suggestion for it?
16:32:57 <clokep> I think it sounds fine.
16:33:08 <Tonnes> did you have to ask the websites' permission to use the search plugins, or took the permission given for FF 9as there was any, like for nl)
16:33:27 <clokep> Although you could use something like "The most noticeable changes are in..."
16:34:17 <flo> I haven't asked any permission.
16:34:17 <Tonnes> possible is The area carrying the most dramatic changes, or .. - exactly
16:34:27 <flo> maybe I should have, but... it didn't seem necessary to me
16:35:16 <Tonnes> ok.. oticed the french are almost identical
16:35:19 <Tonnes> +n
16:35:40 <Tonnes> so i'll start using them for nl as well and ask our main localizer if it's ok with me
16:38:50 <flo> email just received on the contact email address "I cannot delete instant bird from my computer. I go to programs and delete but it won't do it. What can I do?"
16:39:15 <flo> I'm not sure how we are supposed to reply to that kind of emails
16:39:40 <skeledrew> 1. Ensure that Instantbird isn't running...
16:39:43 <flo> there's not nearly enough information for us to understand the "problem"
16:40:05 <skeledrew> 2. Try again.
16:40:19 <flo> 3. Reboot the computer.
16:41:36 <skeledrew> sounds good enough
16:43:19 <clokep> They probably don't have the proper permission to do it.
16:45:47 * flo sends: Please ensure that Instantbird isn't running and then try again. As a side note, we would be pleased to learn why you need to delete Instantbird from your computer. We love receiving valuable feedback from our users, even the users who didn't love it.
16:46:00 <skeledrew> clokep: if they used an installer, they should be using that to uninstall it too
16:46:22 <skeledrew> not deleting the folder manually
16:46:28 <clokep> skeledrew: The installer may prompt for increased permission while attempting to delete may not? I shut off UAC on my computer so I don't really know.
16:46:59 <clokep> And yes, they should "uninstall". Its also not clear whether they're trying to delete from Program Files or from the Start Menu.
16:47:00 <flo> clokep: only if the user had administrator rights when installing I think
16:47:26 <flo> it's not clear either why they can't spell the name, or use some greetings ;)
16:47:31 <clokep> flo: Unless an administrator installed it for all users and they're not the admin. ;)
16:47:37 <clokep> Haha, sounds good though.
16:47:51 <skeledrew> oh, i doubt anyone having that simple an issue deleting something typically knows to find it in the Program Files folder in the first place...
16:48:26 <clokep> Perhaps, but you never know. Especially if they have search software installed.
16:48:28 <flo> skeledrew: something that has always puzzled me: how do these users manage to send emails to request help?
16:49:11 <flo> someone even went as far as creating an account in bugzilla and filing a bug saying "Instantbird can't start conversations" because he hadn't thought of double clicking or pressing enter...
16:49:31 <Tonnes> flo: just did the plugins, no mail though
16:49:33 <skeledrew> that's the most their skill extends to: sending an email
16:49:37 <skeledrew> lol
16:49:41 <skeledrew> man
16:49:50 <Tonnes> lol
16:50:12 <flo> by the way, the bug is valid: the way to start a conversation is not discoverable
16:50:13 <flo> but still...
16:50:17 <skeledrew> well i do have my n00b moments at times...
16:50:29 <flo> bugzilla isn't the most userfriendly thing I've seen :)
16:50:39 <flo> anyway, got to go. Back in a few hours
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16:55:33 <skeledrew> maybe some pretty dumbed down tutorials are needed for the more... technically challenged. explain the process from downloading to uninstalling in some simple steps...
17:05:30 <clokep> Either that or a quiz before you're allowed to try it. ;)
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18:01:22 <skeledrew> heh
18:01:59 <skeledrew> "take the IB-ready quiz before downloading"...
18:02:46 <hicham> nice
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18:06:35 <skeledrew> hicham: n00b-proof device ;)
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20:50:48 <Mic> evening
20:52:18 <clokep> Good evening.
20:55:48 <clokep> Time for me to leave. :P
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21:06:33 <flo> the same user (who wanted to delete) has replied "I finally deleted it,I was just trying out new instant messenger is all. I liked it while I had it"
21:11:10 <Mic> :(
21:11:50 <Mic> The thing (I have no idea how I should call the extension that could as well do youtube previews and also link to bugzilla and whatelse you can think of) looks so broken with the simple theme :S
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21:19:34 <clokep> Mic: In-Content Media Viewer or something like that. ;)
21:19:55 <Mic> well, I actually have a name
21:20:00 <clokep> Oh.
21:20:00 <Mic> I just don't like it (yet?)
21:20:07 <clokep> Ah, gotcha.
21:20:24 <Mic> "Content preview" :D
21:20:35 <clokep> Nice.
21:20:52 <clokep> Is there any particular *nix I should be on when developing Instantbird?
21:21:23 <Mic> Compiling on Ubuntu 9.10 worked for me "out of the box"
21:21:38 <Mic> flo: ping
21:22:12 <clokep> I dislike Gnome. :(
21:22:43 <clokep> But thanks. I'll see what I can find.
21:23:00 <Mic> I changed the theme, disabled all these icons ;)
21:23:19 <Mic> And .. 
21:23:23 <Mic> ... it's still ugly :P
21:23:51 <flo> Mic: ?
21:24:23 <Mic> See the *nix question ..
21:26:03 <flo> pick one you like. All should work.
21:26:16 * clokep is going to pick some obscure one. ;)
21:26:41 <flo> as long as you manage to build Firefox 3.6, building Instantbird won't be a problem
21:27:26 <clokep> Not even planning on building right now, just need to be able to run.
21:27:55 <clokep> Gonna fix Vertical Tabs on linux. :)
21:28:50 <Mic> oh, I also read developing as 'compiling' :D
21:29:11 <clokep> Will probably compile eventually, so its good to keep in mind.
21:55:41 <Mic> good night
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22:36:04 <flo> Good night
22:36:38 <clokep> 'night!
22:37:01 <skeledrew> night
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