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05:56:47 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 05:56:47 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 05:56:48 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 06:08:30 <-- micahg has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 06:08:30 --> micahg1 has joined #instantbird 06:08:38 * micahg1 is now known as micahg 06:21:34 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 07:17:39 <flo> rdm0: hi. Have you tried redownloading it? 07:19:04 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 07:20:26 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 07:20:26 * ChanServ sets mode +o idechix 07:32:42 <flo> rdm0: I've just checked, I've no problem with opening it (for the en-US and fr languages at least) 08:15:26 <rdm0> I've tried downloading it a few times, and bunzip2ing it using various routines. 08:16:46 <rdm0> I remember a slightly similar situation occurring a while ago, where it turned out people had encoded the dmg file itself with bzip2 compression, and it turned out Mac OS X 10.3 and earlier systems couldn't read that kind of encoding. 08:17:32 <rdm0> I wonder if there's some new compression you can enable on dmg files that requires 10.5 or above to read. 08:23:47 <rdm0> The md5 checksum I get for instantbird-0.2.en-US.mac.dmg.bz2 is a3475e9693df1481dbe038421ac2631c 08:24:18 <flo> Mac OS X 10.3 is not supported (if this is what you are trying to do) 08:26:12 <flo> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/0.2/md5sum checksum of the files 08:27:10 <rdm0> I'm running 10.4.11 08:27:21 <flo> it should "just work" then 08:27:50 <flo> our dmgs are compressed like the ones of Firefox 3.6 (it's the same packaging code) 08:28:16 <rdm0> When I run bunzip2 over the file, I get a 'trailing garbage after EOF ignored', but a resulting dmg file. 08:28:41 <flo> why don't you just double click the file to mount the disk image? 08:28:45 <rdm0> This dmg file won't mount, with the reason 'not recognized'. 08:30:04 <flo> how did you get a .dmg.bz2 file in the first place? 08:30:44 <rdm0> downloaded from macupdate or http://www.instantbird.com/. 08:30:59 <flo> there's no .bz2 file on instantbird.com 08:31:41 <rdm0> Okay, I mispoke. 08:33:03 <rdm0> Huh. 08:33:05 <flo> neither on macupdate (their link just redirects to our website) 08:33:15 <rdm0> Now there's no bz2 file there, either. 08:33:31 <rdm0> There was... 08:34:14 <rdm0> Ahhhhhhhh. 08:35:06 <rdm0> Perhaps the stupid Vienna downloader mis-recognized the file as .bz2? 08:35:22 <rdm0> Why would it do that, unless.... 08:35:33 <flo> why do you bother using a "stupid downloader"? ;) 08:36:06 <rdm0> I use an RSS reader to read almost all my web pages, and thus use it to download most things I see that I want to try out. 08:36:16 <rdm0> Normally, it never has a problem. 08:36:39 <rdm0> But in this case, it read your dmg file as a .dmg.bz2 file, and saved it as such. 08:36:57 <rdm0> Of course, bz2unzipping the dmg file would of course not work. 08:36:59 <rdm0> huh. 08:37:18 <rdm0> indeed, the plain dmg file works fine if I download it with, say, Safari. 08:39:01 <rdm0> So the problem is Vienna is reading something that says your file is a bz2 file, and appending the ending. 08:40:01 * rdm0 is confused since he thought Vienna used WebKit the same as Safari 08:41:31 <rdm0> This is highly strange, since I use Vienna to download tons of dmg files, so it must really be something funny with the way your server responds that confuses Vienna... 08:49:03 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 08:49:55 --> beigbeider has joined #instantbird 08:59:30 <flo> rdm0: I will check the mime type the server sends 09:01:57 <rdm0> http://unsanity.org/archives/mac_os_x/my_dmg_is_bwoken_after_download.php 09:03:09 <rdm0> So you might want to check your .htaccess file as well 09:05:06 <rdm0> My guess is that most browsers on Mac OS X have been 'updated' to deal with the issue, but perhaps the low-level webkit that my older Vienna uses still takes things literally. 09:06:23 <flo> ok, I'll look into this :) thanks! 09:06:32 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:06:44 <Mic> hi 09:07:26 <rdm0> Probably only a problem with folks using Mac OS X and older browsers, and if your version of apache isn't all that modern. ^^; 09:07:56 <beigbeider> Hello 09:07:57 <rdm0> So we're probably a small audience! :-P 09:08:19 <rdm0> flo: But thanks again for looking into it! ^_^ 09:14:08 <-- rdm0 has left #instantbird () 09:22:30 <Mic> Seems like Instantbot was offline yesterday from the afternoon on 09:22:40 <Mic> Instantbot: bad bot :P 09:22:43 <instantbot> Mic: Sorry, I've no idea what 'bad bot :P' might be. 09:22:48 <Mic> Be glad .. 09:23:22 <Morian> He took vacations after the netsplit :( 09:23:32 <Morian> probably thinking no one would notice it 09:24:01 <Morian> instantbot: you are so brilliant! 09:24:02 <instantbot> Morian: ok 09:30:59 <Mic> instantbot: what are you? 09:31:18 <Mic> "... so brilliant" .. ? ;) 09:37:50 <Morian> mmmh 09:38:23 <Morian> instantbot: what is you? 09:38:34 <Morian> not better 09:38:36 <Morian> instantbot: ping 09:38:37 <instantbot> Morian: pong 09:51:52 --> beigbeider1 has joined #instantbird 09:53:26 <-- beigbeider has quit (Ping timeout) 09:55:46 <-- FishFace has quit (Quit: Leaving) 09:58:32 --> FishFace has joined #instantbird 10:09:58 --> Even has joined #instantbird 10:09:58 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 10:45:41 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:46:00 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 10:52:14 <Mic> I think we should get rid of the prefixes in the articles names on the wiki and categorize them instead 10:52:27 <Mic> They're used quite inconsistently anyways 10:52:30 <clokep> Or mac the prefixes make sense. 10:52:31 <Mic> Any opinions on this? 10:53:20 <Mic> They might be useful for disambiguation of articles in my opinion but as far as I know we haven't run into this problem yet 11:00:19 <clokep> We could always just make sub articles too. 11:00:50 <clokep> i.e. if we had reference pages for xpcompurple the page might be xpcompurple/account, xpcompurple/buddy, etc. 11:01:00 <clokep> Which I find easier to navigate. But that's just me. 11:05:37 <Mic> purpleIAccount ? ;) 11:05:47 <clokep> Yeah. 11:05:57 <clokep> I didn't say it was a good example. 11:10:53 <skeledrew> global searching's seriously needed in the log viewer 11:15:41 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 11:18:54 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 11:21:07 <-- beigbeider1 has left #instantbird () 11:24:08 --> idechix1 has joined #instantbird 11:24:59 <-- idechix has quit (Ping timeout) 11:26:40 <Mic> Any other opinions on the categories / prefixes? 11:28:12 <clokep> I'll think about it and let you know when I get to work? 11:28:24 <Mic> Sure 11:33:24 <clokep> Might be good to have docs one to include a lot of the stuff. 11:33:43 <clokep> The brainstorm one is probably OK to have, but could possible be moved to the "user space" 11:34:04 <clokep> I feel like there should be a tutorial one or something, but that's not the right now. :-\ 11:34:11 <clokep> But for compiling, etc. 11:34:27 <clokep> Also need to decide on how articles are titled (upper case? spaces? :)) 11:35:37 <clokep> And Im' off. 11:38:56 <-- idechix1 has quit (Ping timeout) 11:51:39 <Even> oO$ 11:51:46 <Even> 160 downloads of MinimizeToTray yesterday. 11:51:52 <Even> That's something! 11:52:06 <Even> 97 active users 11:52:28 <Even> The extension has a great success (not that surprising though...) 11:58:13 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:00:04 <clokep_work> Thanks for the review Even! :) 12:00:17 <Even> That's nothing ^^ 12:00:28 <Even> And I also pushed your addon on the front page. 12:00:39 <clokep_work> Sweet. :-D 12:00:51 <Even> I thought that even if it is not a finished work, it is good to push good ideas coming to life there. 12:01:12 <Even> And it replaces Disconnect All that isn't as usefull as before since now there is the disconnected status. 12:01:44 <clokep_work> It certainly works, at least on Windows, might be some "enhancements" to add, depends what we can think of. 12:01:55 <Mic> The new look is great 12:02:05 <Mic> Looks much more like "one piece" now 12:02:33 <Mic> Where does this blueish background come from btw? 12:02:54 <Mic> Is it this "babyblue problem" that you're frequently talking about with deOmega? 12:02:56 <Even> I can try it on Linux if you want to have some report about this. 12:03:11 <Even> Maybe get you a screenshot somewhere to look at. 12:03:19 <Even> Does that sounds good to you ? 12:04:18 <Even> Suppose I can do it anyway, just to give it a try :) 12:05:11 <Mic> Even: the instantbird.com homepage shows the most popular addons then, not the featured ones? 12:05:22 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 12:07:02 <clokep_work> Even That'd be good! If you could get me some screen shots, and let me know if anything funky happens (like if things "shift" take a screen shot before and after the shift so I can figure out how many pixels are "off"). 12:07:21 <clokep_work> Mic: It really really looks /grey/ to me, not "baby blue". Maybe I'm just color blind. :P 12:07:46 <clokep_work> But its the standard background of the tabbar actually, just arranged the wrong way. 12:07:47 --> Even has joined #instantbird 12:07:47 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 12:07:59 <clokep_work> Even: That'd be good! If you could get me some screen shots, and let me know if anything funky happens (like if things "shift" take a screen shot before and after the shift so I can figure out how many pixels are "off"). 12:08:21 <Even> Sry for disapearing a second. 12:08:27 <Even> Was compiling myself a new Ib. 12:08:30 <Even> This version was a bit old :) 12:08:45 <Even> 0.3a1pre. Much better. 12:09:21 <Even> About the addons on the Ib home page, I don't really know. 12:09:29 <Even> Maybe the rss is updated only once in a time. 12:09:36 <Even> I don't know at all what is displayed there. 12:10:21 <Even> If it was me, I would have given it a 5% chance of refreshing or something like that. 12:10:35 <Even> It prevents the need to use file creation time or modification time to know if it is old. 12:10:41 <Even> And it gives good results. 12:10:54 <Even> But rally, I just don't know. 12:10:57 <Even> *really 12:12:25 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 12:12:28 --> Even has joined #instantbird 12:12:28 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 12:12:45 <clokep_work> Mic: If you look at your Ib tabbar, there's a gradient from top and bottom, the "baby blue" color is the exact center of that gradient stretched to be a few hundred pixels. :) The same gradient is seen on the top and bottom of the vertical tabs. 12:12:46 <Even> There is a huge problem on Linux :P 12:12:54 <Even> You'll understand why it is huge. 12:12:54 <clokep_work> Even: Not surprising. :( 12:13:03 <Even> I'm making you a screenshot :D 12:13:20 <clokep_work> Do the tabs not have a maximum height? :P 12:13:54 <Even> :) 12:13:56 <Even> Yes :D 12:14:14 <Even> It's not funny if you get it before I can send you the screenshot :p 12:14:29 <clokep_work> Hmm...I thought I fixed that! But I might have erased the file I had and restarted. 12:15:04 <clokep_work> Does it work besides that? Does drag & drop work? 12:15:11 <Mic> ah, so the gradients are not streched but the center area where there is the 'constant babyblue color' 12:15:18 <Even> It looks ok. 12:15:24 <Even> (for the drag & drop) 12:15:43 <Even> http://qraynaud.eu/vertical_tabs.png 12:15:46 <Mic> btw the screenshot has the blue look on my screen 12:15:48 <clokep_work> Mic: Exactly! But I think it looks OK (the color stills fits into the theme) and i wasn't sure what else to do with it... 12:16:02 <clokep_work> If you have an idea to make it better... 12:16:18 <Mic> I'd need to have a look at the css then 12:17:04 <clokep_work> Haha, looks great Even. Thanks. :) 12:17:11 <clokep_work> I see the arrows didn't turn either. :( 12:17:55 <-- Even has left #instantbird () 12:18:37 --> Even has joined #instantbird 12:18:38 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 12:18:42 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 12:18:51 --> Even has joined #instantbird 12:18:51 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 12:19:07 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 12:19:10 --> Even has joined #instantbird 12:19:10 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 12:19:16 <Even> Ok, back to normal tabs. 12:19:17 <clokep_work> Even is going crazy. 12:19:20 <Even> There are sufficient to me :) 12:19:20 <clokep_work> Hahah OK. 12:19:34 <Even> Well, I somehow bugged Ib with KSnapshot. 12:19:51 <clokep_work> Once I get my new system It'll be good enough to run VirtualBox so I'll be able to do my own testing. ;) 12:19:51 <Even> Then restarted to get it running but it failed so tried it in a Konsole. 12:19:54 <Even> There it was ok. 12:19:55 <Even> Killed it. 12:20:00 <Even> Ran it again from the menu. 12:20:03 <Even> This time it worked. 12:20:09 <Even> And restarted another time to remove the tabs. 12:20:15 <Even> That made a lot of restarting :( 12:20:17 <Even> ^ 12:20:18 <Even> ^^ 12:23:30 <clokep_work> Mic: 2 CSS files: http://code.google.com/p/vertical-tabs/source/browse/chrome/content/instantbird.css and http://code.google.com/p/vertical-tabs/source/browse/chrome/skin/winstripe/tabbrowser.css 12:24:06 <clokep_work> (Well the second one is the winstripe one.) 12:29:49 <clokep_work> Mic: So about the wiki reorganization. 12:30:22 <Mic> I won't do anything if I don't know if someone really wants it or even objects 12:31:08 <Mic> I agree on having a common naming pattern, I don't like most of the prefixes and how they're used 12:31:23 <Mic> and I'm for using (reasonable;) categories 12:32:39 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 12:33:01 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:33:36 <clokep_work> Right, wasn't sure if you wanted to brainstorm more about it? 12:34:19 <Even> Maybe you can start a wiki page for describing where everything should be. 12:34:45 <Even> And once there is a first version of the page, make it turn for improvements / comments / validation. 12:34:50 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 12:34:56 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:35:09 <Even> Once everyone agrees, then it is possible to start working or moving pages. 12:36:16 <Even> Don't know if it is the right way to do that but it seems a good way for reference after. Some page we can link to with a note "before writing anything, please read the wiki guidelines there" 12:36:19 <Mic> If enough people/you/flo/.. agree that something like this should be done I could start compiling such a list 12:36:36 <Mic> There's quite a few pages on the wiki already, I won't categorize/think about names for them for nothing 12:36:57 <Even> Well, I'm not sure it is the best way but if flo agrees at list on this starting point, then you can be sure we will look at the result of the work. 12:37:13 <Even> *least 12:37:16 <Even> oO 12:37:22 <clokep_work> I have a MediaWiki bot on my laptop at home which can do moves, etc. 12:37:35 <Mic> I can do a partial list as basis for discussion 12:37:39 <clokep_work> But only in bulk. 12:37:43 <Mic> Should be good enough to see the direction this is taking 12:41:07 <Even> You can also use the Special wiki page that gives a list of the existing pages to get a starting point. 12:41:27 <Even> This : https://wiki.instantbird.org/Special:AllPages 12:41:27 <Mic> Thanks, I know :) 12:41:31 <Even> ^^ 12:41:49 <Mic> The special pages are quite useful in general 12:41:56 <Even> Well, that's good. There is a lot of people who actually never looked into the "Special Pages" section. 12:41:59 <Even> ;) 12:41:59 <Mic> We still have some orphaned pages for exmaple 12:42:55 <Even> There is also two pages with a russian looking title. 12:42:59 <Even> Do we know what those are ? 12:43:00 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 12:43:00 * ChanServ sets mode +o idechix 12:43:03 <Even> There is English in them... 12:44:02 <Even> Thos are copies of actually usefuul pages isn't it ? 12:44:07 <Even> Only trash ? 12:44:37 <clokep_work> Translate pages should be under their own namespace ideally. There's a way to do that in MediaWiki... 12:45:14 <Mic> https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Mic/Unnecessary_pages 12:46:09 <Even> I deleted at least on of them. 12:46:23 <Even> And that's 2. 12:47:45 <Mic> The other ones are all created by myself 12:47:56 <Mic> You can remove them as well 12:48:07 <Even> La template rss à l'air utile. 12:48:10 <Even> oops 12:48:16 <Even> The rss template looks useful. 12:48:25 <Even> Maybe it will have some use one day. 12:48:31 <Even> No real reason to remove it. 12:48:31 <Mic> well, unfortunately it doesn't work 12:48:35 <Even> Ow ? 12:48:40 <Even> In this case... 12:48:55 <Mic> You can't use an image/icon as link easily (that's what it was intended to be) 12:49:05 <Mic> To look like one of the feed icons you find on the web 12:49:23 <Even> I see. 12:49:48 <clokep_work> You could also do the icon with a link next to it. ;) 12:49:58 <Mic> I agree that it would be useful in theory ;) 12:50:34 <Even> Why have you not used the "[[File:example.jpg|link=Main Page|caption]]" syntax ? 12:51:00 <Mic> hmm, let me try this 12:51:45 <Even> Should work as intended. 12:51:59 <Even> you have some examples here : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Link 12:56:16 <Even> Looks like working :) 12:56:19 <clokep_work> Mic: I think the wiki needs to be split into documentation for extension authors vs. documentation for developers some what (i.e. feature plans, release procedure, the XMPP docs). 12:56:34 <Even> But it also seems to add a stupid line feed before the image... 12:56:41 <Even> That's disturbing. 12:57:06 <Mic> hmm, it still doesn't link to the feed :S 12:57:17 <Even> middle 12:57:20 <Even> i think 12:59:57 <Even> Seems to gets better and better :) 13:02:19 <clokep_work> Fixed the spacing I think. 13:02:19 <Even> Looks like it is working well now. 13:02:24 <Even> Yep I saw that. 13:02:28 <clokep_work> Conflict! :P 13:03:04 <Even> Nop, I found the problem but tried a long time to figure why it was not working in my preview... I was using the preview I putted in the template that was for this reason using the previous one... 13:03:13 <Mic> :) 13:03:16 <Mic> Works now 13:03:20 <Even> Yep. 13:03:24 <Even> Very well. 13:03:37 <Even> I propose to add an optional second parameter to put a caption. 13:03:47 <Even> And to put in the caption the URL if it is not provided. 13:03:54 <Even> What do you think about this ? 13:04:33 <Mic> hmm, yes 13:05:03 <Mic> would help to distinguish feeds like updated and featured for AIO, which just take a different parameter somewhere 13:05:31 <Even> Something like "{{{2|{{{1}}}}}}"... 13:05:53 <Even> Just adding | then this part should probably do the trick. 13:06:14 <Mic> I need to go .. there's a summer fête at my department now :) 13:06:17 <Even> I'm adding this. 13:06:26 <Even> Ok, have a nice time then :) 13:06:44 <Mic> Thanks 13:06:54 <Mic> And thanks for the pointer with the link= 13:07:03 <Mic> I didn't knew such a thing existed 13:07:22 <Mic> There were only workarounds on the web for adding links on images in MediaWiki 13:07:50 <Mic> Maybe there was this problem once 13:09:55 <clokep_work> Mic: It was added relatively recently into MediaWiki, like within the past year or so I think. 13:09:57 <clokep_work> Maybe 2 years. ;) 13:10:43 <Mic> Party now. 13:10:44 <Mic> bye 13:11:30 * clokep_work wants to party. :( 13:11:36 <instantbot> New Websites - Addons.instantbird.org bug 447 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 13:11:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=447 nor, --, ---, raynaudquentin, UNCO, AIO Needs Better Add-On Categories 13:14:51 <clokep_work> flo: Most places seem to describe SkypeKit as a "headless Skype client" which feels to me like its still a separate runtime in the background, but then they say that's not true. Also you'd need to pay for it I think. 13:17:20 <clokep_work> Even: https://wiki.instantbird.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=2 What are most of those? :-\ 13:21:13 <clokep_work> You can delete https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Clokep/Ib0.2notes also. :) 13:22:37 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 13:22:37 <Even> Done. 13:22:46 <Even> For the other pages, those are user pages. 13:23:01 <clokep_work> A lot of them seem to have junk only on them. 13:23:23 <clokep_work> OR at least the random ones I hit. :) 13:23:24 <Even> At some time there was no captcha to create accounts. 13:23:32 <clokep_work> Ah. 13:23:36 <Even> And a lot of bots started to create accounts and post. 13:23:40 <clokep_work> Can we delete those accounts/pages? 13:23:43 <Even> Thus came those pages. 13:23:50 <Even> Accounts are already deleted. 13:23:56 <clokep_work> Ohhh I see. 13:24:06 <Even> Deleting the associated pages is somehow more complicated. 13:24:35 <clokep_work> You should be able to copy the URL of a page that you can access the link of and just include the page name, which is annoying, but possible. 13:25:19 <Even> I suppose that the "correct way" would be to download the user list from this page. 13:25:29 <Even> Then to use some sed to get only the usernames. 13:25:45 <Even> Finally to suppress from the list the accounts that have a valid reason to exists. 13:26:07 <Even> And to make a script that goes on the delete page and validate the page deletion automatically for the user. 13:26:17 <Even> I will give this a try. 13:26:23 <clokep_work> pywikipediabot can do half of that at least. ;) 13:26:36 <Even> Well. 13:26:45 <clokep_work> Or wikipediaFS might help. 13:26:51 <Even> I suppose it's not that hard using my bash script based on curl to fill forms. 13:27:02 <clokep_work> Mmhmm. 13:27:10 <Even> (yeah, I'm a geeeeeeeeek to have those kind of things :)) 13:28:17 <Even> It's called "send.sh" 13:28:17 <clokep_work> Its fine. I've used curl from a command line before. :P 13:28:19 <Even> :P 13:28:50 <Even> I've just started a "delete_wiki_horrors.sh" script :D 13:30:02 <clokep_work> I'm gonna start a page for reorganizing ideas -- I don't think Mic made one before he left. 13:34:42 <Even> ok. 13:34:44 <Even> Login is done. 13:36:39 <clokep_work> :) 13:47:13 <Even> noo 13:47:19 <Even> Everything is single line :P 13:47:23 <Even> Horrible :D 13:47:40 <clokep_work> Hahah. 13:50:46 <Even> Ok. 13:51:13 <Even> I've succeeded in adding a line break after each user page 13:51:17 <Even> that's cool 13:51:45 <clokep_work> Isn't that just /\t/\n/ ;) 13:52:26 <Even> nop 13:52:41 <Even> sed -E "s/(User:[^\"]+)/\1\\"$'\n'"/g" 13:53:57 <clokep_work> Sounds fun. :) 13:54:02 <clokep_work> I've only used sed a few times... 13:57:24 <Even> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/296 13:57:30 <Even> Here is the extracted list of user pages. 13:57:47 <Even> Now I'm going to add a + in front of every line that should stay :) 13:58:03 <clokep_work> Manually? 13:58:08 <Even> Yep. 13:58:11 <Even> There's a lot to remove. 13:58:15 <Even> Not a lot to keep. 13:58:21 <clokep_work> You could add a ~~ and pastebin will highlight it. ;) 13:58:32 <Even> Good idea ;à 13:59:27 <clokep_work> Easy to verify that way. 13:59:58 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 14:00:52 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 14:01:14 <Even> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/297 14:01:20 <Even> If you could help me check. 14:01:21 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has left #instantbird () 14:02:21 <Even> Looks ok to me. 14:04:34 <clokep_work> Looks fine to me. But I don't know everyone's user name. :) 14:05:04 <Even> Well, I don't too. 14:05:08 <Even> But others seems weird to me :P 14:05:38 <Even> Forgot Kriston... 14:06:51 <clokep_work> Mmhmm. 14:09:05 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 14:11:45 <clokep_work> Even: Is the wiki meant only for developers or also for End Users? 14:13:38 <Even> I think that it is not really clear at all in any mind. 14:13:50 <Even> We wanted to create two wikis, one for devs and one for end users. 14:14:03 <Even> And started to put everything we thought about on the same one. 14:14:07 <clokep_work> I know flo had said something about originally having it split or something but "now" thinks of it mostly for developers. 14:14:15 <Even> I think that we can manage with one if the naming convention is cool. 14:14:16 <clokep_work> Hahah, its tough to have to separate ones though account wise, etc. 14:15:02 <clokep_work> Got it. :) I'm working on naming conventions... 14:16:10 <Even> Pff. 14:16:17 <Even> There is a hidden token to put in the form for deletion. 14:16:23 <Even> I need to get the page once to get the token. 14:16:27 <Even> Then to send it... 14:16:28 <Even> ;O 14:16:40 <Even> It took me time to find this in the maze that is this HTML code :D 14:16:51 <clokep_work> MediaWiki code is messy. :( 14:18:36 --> iBool has joined #instantbird 14:18:40 <-- iBool has left #instantbird () 14:20:06 <Even> ok, have it ^ 14:21:15 <Even> First complete test :) 14:21:27 <Even> ok 14:21:28 <Even> working 14:21:58 <Even> Users pages are moving away as we speak :) 14:22:22 <clokep_work> OK, hopefully mien won't die. :P I'm working on it. 14:23:07 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 14:23:41 <Even> You'll see :P 14:23:59 <Even> F* pages now 14:24:13 <Even> Fqueze pages seem to have been left away 14:24:17 <Even> yours should too :) 14:24:28 <Even> It has. 14:24:34 <Even> Your safe :) 14:24:41 <clokep_work> Thanks. 14:24:41 <Even> You're safe. 14:24:45 <Even> ^^ 14:27:17 <Even> https://wiki.instantbird.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=2 14:27:22 <Even> Seems empty now :) 14:27:41 <clokep_work> Haha, oh well. :) 14:28:18 <Even> It's cool to now some shell script ^^ 14:28:22 <Even> *know 14:29:01 <clokep_work> Yes it is. :) 14:37:57 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 14:44:23 <Even> @closep_work: Should I expect an update for the Vertical tab addon soon ? 14:44:51 <Even> If i miss a char in the nickname, won't work well... 14:45:10 <Even> @clokep_work: Should I expect an update for the Vertical tab addon soon? 14:45:13 <Even> Much better :P 14:45:33 <clokep_work> Haha, I check anyway. 14:45:37 <clokep_work> You mean to support Linux? 14:46:30 <clokep_work> Perhaps the end of next week? 14:48:56 <Even> ^^ 14:49:03 <Even> Ok. 14:49:24 <Even> I thought you had the solution but missed it in the previous release. 14:49:35 <clokep_work> Ohhh. I haven't had a chance to check the code yet today. 14:49:43 <Even> ^^ 14:49:57 <Even> You can do so using the website :P 14:50:04 <Even> It is online ^^ 14:50:18 <clokep_work> Found it. 14:50:21 <clokep_work> http://code.google.com/p/vertical-tabs/source/browse/chrome/skin/gnomestripe/tabbrowser.css 14:50:34 <clokep_work> Used to be a line between 50 and 51: max-height: 24px; 14:50:52 <Even> o<o 14:51:01 <Even> Ok. 14:51:36 <Even> So it might be simple to get it fixed :) 14:51:49 <clokep_work> Yes. :) 14:53:22 <clokep_work> Actually seems like I never put it there for Linux, only Mac. :) 14:53:31 <clokep_work> I'll see about doing it this weekend. 15:06:41 <clokep_work> Even flo Mic https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Clokep/Wiki_Reorganization 15:07:46 <clokep_work> Make edits or talk page it. :) 15:08:06 <clokep_work> Note that I'm gonna still be editing it currently. 15:13:03 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 15:18:25 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 15:43:58 <Mic> clokep: the "related links" article was intended to have a single place to look if you need any url 15:44:09 <Mic> That was at least the idea I had .. 15:44:12 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has left #instantbird () 15:45:29 <Mic> What's the goal of "Documentation"? 15:45:38 <Mic> Compiling for example could go as well into Development imo 15:45:55 <clokep_work> Hmm...actually I put compiling in the wrong section. 15:46:00 <Mic> That's the problem I have with these namespaces .. you have to decide for one 15:46:25 <Mic> That's why I'd prefer categories to group things, since you could add several different to the same article 15:46:27 <clokep_work> Mic: The difference between them is listed under the "Namespaces" heading. 15:47:36 <Mic> Brainstorm was absolutely abused imo ;) 15:47:43 <Mic> I agree on the namespaces 15:47:44 <clokep_work> I agree! :-D 15:48:02 <Mic> We had bugtracking articles in the Brainstorm space! :S 15:48:46 <clokep_work> To me the level between "Documentation" and "Development" is that people who are editing Instantbird source use the "Development" articles, people "consuming" Instantbird, but developing extensions, plugins, etc. use the "Documentation". 15:48:47 <Mic> Thanks for your work btw 15:49:10 <clokep_work> Yes, I saw. I think Bugzilla needs to be used more. 15:49:14 <Mic> So Documentation is .. "IDC" ;) 15:49:22 <clokep_work> You're welcome! I'm sure it needs some feedback, but I figured you gotta start somewhere. ;) 15:49:28 <clokep_work> Hahah, something like that. :P 15:49:43 <Mic> Bugzilla would have needed a meta bug pointing to the article at least 15:50:01 <clokep_work> Well its like if a new feature is being added, it'll get mockups, etc. in Development, the API will be made there, then a new version is released, ok, we move that page to Documentation. 15:50:11 <clokep_work> Then meta bugs should be used. :) 15:50:14 <Mic> I'm not sure if every of the bugs had to get their own bugzilla bug but that it was not discoverable from bugzilla is the problem I had with it 15:50:31 <Mic> People just couldn't know that there was such a bug list 15:51:01 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what you mean? You mean people wouildn't be able to find bugs? 15:51:08 <Mic> Yes 15:51:21 <clokep_work> I'd say put them in Bugzilla, (with meta bugs) and I don't have a problem linking to meta bugs in bugzilla... 15:51:25 <Mic> The bugs were listed on the wiki, but people looking at BUgzilla can't possibly find them 15:51:46 <clokep_work> Perhaps, but searching should find them? 15:52:17 <Mic> You could an abstract/summary into the comment 15:52:27 <Mic> ie the list from the wiki 15:52:30 <Mic> well, nevermind 15:52:41 <Mic> Off to the next summer fête :P 15:54:55 <clokep_work> Hahah, enjoy. :) 15:55:15 <clokep_work> I'm not saying all of them need to be moved to bugs, especially the stuff that is "done", but any outstanding issues inthose articles should be put into bugs instead of the wiki. 15:56:26 <Mic> btw did you cover all articles on the wiki? 15:56:31 <Mic> The list looks quite complete 15:56:32 <clokep_work> Yes. 15:56:35 <clokep_work> That's every single one. 15:56:45 <clokep_work> Well its everything that was in (Main). 15:56:45 <Mic> Except for user space.. 15:56:52 <clokep_work> Yes. 15:57:12 <Mic> When moving articles we could check that they link to each other properly 15:57:23 <Mic> And use the templates we have or need thoroughly 15:57:29 <clokep_work> I agree. 15:57:40 <clokep_work> Moving articles can be done by a bot though, and it'll auto link all the other pages back to it. ;) 15:57:43 <Mic> eg pointing to changesets on HG or bugs or feeds or anything we have or need 15:58:21 <Mic> Maybe we could add the 'corporate style' to the wiki while we're at it 15:58:45 <clokep_work> I agree. 15:58:56 <clokep_work> Might be easier to just move by hand and update all the pages are they're being done. 15:59:24 <clokep_work> And re: the categories. I'm fine using categories instead, just the namespace /really/ lets you separate users and developers (and lets you search only one or the other if you want). 16:00:05 <Mic> Yes, it's ok 16:00:21 <Mic> Even though I think we should categorize the pages as well 16:00:52 <Mic> eg as "API documentation", "file specs" for emoticons or messagestyles and so on 16:00:58 <clokep_work> I agree that categories should be taken advantage of. This is just an idea I had. I'd be OK doing something else. :P 16:04:02 <Mic> bye, now 16:04:10 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 16:51:32 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Quit: I must go. Good bye!) 17:01:43 <-- Even has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:02:16 --> Even has joined #instantbird 17:02:16 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 17:06:19 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 17:16:11 <flo> clokep_work: it's not clear if we have to pay to use the API or to pay to have the resulting application certified with the right to use the logo "plugged into skype" for advertisings 17:16:34 <flo> it also seems that Skype uses the h264 codec, with all its patent mess... 17:16:34 <clokep_work> flo: Ah, well regardless needs to be kept in mind. :) 17:17:48 <clokep_work> I tried to find any real licensing information, but doesn't seem that its given anywhere. 17:23:23 <hicham> you can't connect to skype, other than will the official client 17:23:28 <hicham> same goes for paltalk 17:23:41 <hicham> s/will/with/ 17:24:20 <clokep_work> hicham: Have you seen the info abuot SkypeKit? 17:24:21 <hicham> there were some attempts to write a plugin to pidgin to connect to skype, but they stopped for legal reasons 17:24:30 <clokep_work> s/about/about 17:24:31 <hicham> clokep_work : not yet 17:25:03 <clokep_work> hicham: Its a library, as far as I can tell, that lets you connect to Skype without running the Skype client. For use on desktop and embedded situations. 17:25:25 * hicham is checking SkypeKit 17:26:27 <clokep_work> flo: Any opinion on that wiki stuff Mic and I were discussing? :) 17:26:38 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 17:32:07 <flo> clokep_work: sorry, no opinion about it today. 17:32:09 * flo is tired. 17:32:23 <clokep_work> Nap time. ;) 17:37:38 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 18:07:41 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 18:27:56 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 18:32:43 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 18:48:41 <deOmega> clokep: Thanks for the tabs drag and drop. Helps tremendously to organize conversation preference 18:49:40 <clokep_work> deOmega: Yes, the other day I really wanted it, so I finished it up. :) 18:49:55 <clokep_work> And Even approved my nomination for public. Did you auto update to it? 18:50:32 <deOmega> no, i manually updated yesterday 18:50:48 <clokep_work> And it looks correct, right? 18:50:58 <clokep_work> Does it look fine with your theme? Like the markers for drag and drop? 18:51:29 <deOmega> yes i realize it showed up on my addons rss on my Google homepage.. the experimental ones do not 18:51:53 <deOmega> Honestly, it looks perfect to me. 18:51:55 <clokep_work> :) 18:52:35 <hicham> you should get an award clokep_work 18:53:35 <deOmega> hmm. I agree 18:53:41 <clokep_work> Thanks guys. :) 19:18:27 * skeledrew1 is now known as skeledrew|work 19:42:57 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:43:07 <Mic> hi 19:43:29 <clokep_work> Hey Mic. How're all these parties? :P 19:43:54 <Mic> Nice, I quit early today 19:44:00 <Mic> I favor for tomorrow evening :P 19:44:04 <Mic> *In 19:44:30 <-- skeledrew|work has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:45:31 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 19:46:52 <clokep_work> Ah, makes sense. 19:53:30 <Mic> The article "Communication" could use a rename too in my opinion 19:54:21 <Mic> It's a pretty general term, especially for an IM client 19:55:24 <clokep_work> "Team Communication" perhaps? 19:56:49 <Mic> No, that's not the goal of the article 19:57:00 <clokep_work> I thought it was...? 19:57:31 <clokep_work> AH you're right. 19:57:35 <clokep_work> Promotion might be better. 19:57:44 <Mic> Maybe Promotion 19:57:50 <clokep_work> Publicity 19:58:16 <Mic> :) 19:59:27 <Mic> Would it really fit into the Development namespace? 19:59:36 <Mic> I think it's neither / nor 20:00:12 <clokep_work> I think it does. 20:00:23 <clokep_work> The development namespace is for anything that pretains to what the team is working on. 20:04:11 <Mic> Is there any other term that would express exactly this? 20:04:40 <clokep_work> I don't see how "Development" doesn't encompass it. 20:04:56 <clokep_work> Its "Development" of the project as a whole, not /just/ of Instantbird. 20:05:28 <clokep_work> I mean you could use something like "Organization" perhaps, but I don't like that. 20:08:42 <Mic> You'd have articles like "Development:Publicity" and "Development:Automatic Word Completion" next to each other (ie namespace) 20:09:06 <Mic> which doesn't look very related to me. 20:09:06 <clokep_work> I don't see the problem with that... 20:09:20 <clokep_work> They're both related to the development of the project. :P 20:09:30 <Mic> The problem would be that people might not know which namespace to put their articles into 20:09:42 <Mic> Even though it might be clear now, we could get a mess again 20:09:57 <clokep_work> You must be diligent then. :) 20:10:03 <clokep_work> And we'll mark an article explaining the differences. 20:10:18 <Mic> Therefore I'd prefer very clearly defined namespaces 20:10:38 <clokep_work> I think that they /are/ clearly defined. 20:10:43 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:10:55 <clokep_work> I wouldn't be opposed to have "Development" be for Instantbird technical work and another one for organizational, etc. stuff? 20:11:09 <Mic> Like that 20:11:35 <clokep_work> Oh. I got it. 20:11:43 <clokep_work> "Development" and "Planning" I think. 20:12:16 <clokep_work> Although it gets a little confusing about what goes into "Planning", like if I want to /plan/ a new type of log viewer, for instance, where does it go? 20:12:24 <Mic> While there could be difficulties with things like 20:12:30 <Mic> "release process" 20:12:33 <clokep_work> I would argue that its a technical concept --> Development, but others might say you're /planning/ something --> Planning. 20:12:39 <Mic> is that organizational or technical? 20:12:39 <clokep_work> Exactly. 20:12:45 <clokep_work> Technical. 20:13:04 <clokep_work> I'm not really seeing the difference still. :( 20:13:52 <deOmega> have agodo evening gys 20:13:56 <deOmega> man 20:14:01 <deOmega> have a good evening guys 20:14:05 <Mic> hello 20:14:15 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 20:14:16 <clokep_work> 'night. 20:15:10 <clokep_work> I was attempting to separate the Wiki into 3 distinct groups of people. 20:15:56 <clokep_work> End users who don't care abuot development at all --> (Main), end users who're a little interested in development (extensions, smileys, etc.) --> Documentation; developers --> Development (and also Documentation) 20:16:05 <clokep_work> Perhaps the words I chose aren't the best. 20:16:15 <clokep_work> But I think the further separate inside of those we should use Categories. 20:16:44 <Mic> So far the Wiki wasn't intended to be for end users iirc 20:17:04 <clokep_work> Even told me earlier that he wants to...plan for it at least. 20:17:14 <Mic> That's why we have the FAQ as real page and not just as an article on the wiki 20:17:17 <clokep_work> "Plan" isn't really the right word, but.... 20:18:01 <Mic> ok, if there's the idea to extend it then it's something different 20:18:08 <clokep_work> I have a little comment about it: (Otherwise its a little simpler.) 20:18:35 <clokep_work> What I meant by that is....you remove Documentation and that becomes the (Main) namespace and then we have "Development" as the other namespace and that's with no end user content. 20:18:41 <clokep_work> I didn't really elaborate about it... 20:19:24 <clokep_work> I'm not sure exactly. http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/100715/#m369 20:20:08 <clokep_work> I agree though that we should try to keep "users" on the real website, there's not really any information left on the wiki which is also not on the website. 20:21:12 <flo> a few thoughts about this wiki page naming convention discussion: 20:21:24 <Mic> no opinions today :P 20:21:24 <flo> (by the way, how much time is this topic worth investing?) 20:21:33 --> skeledrew|work has joined #instantbird 20:22:38 <flo> we have 2 kinds of documents on this wiki: 20:22:38 <flo> - technical documentation. Either tutorials (to teach add-on authors/contributors (like translators)) or reference material (used by add-on authors, but also when developing instantbird itself) 20:22:46 <clokep_work> Probably less then we've spent on it. :) 20:23:49 <flo> - documents related to Instantbird development (plans, process memo, random notes that we need to discuss at a point of time and keep there only for historical purpose, todo lists, proposals...) 20:24:30 <flo> I think for the first kind of documents the way they are organized matters, because it will help to find them. 20:25:26 <clokep_work> If that's all that's being put on it you can probably scrap namespaces and use only categories. I was explicitly trying to separate end user content. 20:25:29 <skeledrew|work> oooh. instantbot's back 20:25:31 <flo> for the latter, URL stability matters because we don't want to have every link we may find in lots broken. Discoverability doesn't matter all that much (with a notable exception for the roadmap, which is linked from the FAQ) 20:28:30 <clokep_work> OK, well I would say do either "Development" and "Documentation" or do "Development" and "(Main)" or do both "(Main)" and use categories well. 20:29:17 <clokep_work> Or maybe a "Technical" prefix and something else. 20:29:22 <clokep_work> I don't know. My head hurts. :P 20:36:09 <flo> what about using short names? 20:36:38 <clokep_work> That's fine, but it still would need to be decided whether to even split them or not. 20:37:41 <clokep_work> Dev and Doc? ;) 20:37:49 <clokep_work> But are they even necessary...hmm... 20:41:31 <flo> hmm, I'm not sure where "Instantbird:safe-mode" would go 20:42:09 <clokep_work> If the technical development docs are going to be used on a more daily basis we should probably put them as (Main) and the "Documentation" as Docs or "Documentation" or something like that. ;) 20:42:19 <clokep_work> FAQ? 20:49:11 <clokep_work> Or perhaps a "Trouble Shooting" page? 20:53:32 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 20:54:04 <deOmega> Hi, is teh new site launched as yet? 20:54:16 <clokep_work> Yes. 20:54:17 <deOmega> I am asking because it seems the font is blurry 20:54:30 <clokep_work> There's a bug about it. ;) 20:54:36 <deOmega> ah, thank you 20:54:50 <clokep_work> Kind of. 20:55:28 <clokep_work> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=442 20:55:31 <instantbot> Bug 442 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Problems with "Sacco-Vanzetti Instantbird" font 20:55:33 * flo looks at crash reports 20:57:13 <deOmega> clokep_work: Thank you :) 20:57:29 <clokep_work> No problem. 20:57:52 <clokep_work> Let me know if a decisions is made about the wiki and I can move some pages. :P 20:57:55 <clokep_work> See you later. 20:57:58 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:58:10 <flo> the "problem" of having crash reports is... we can't pretend to ignore that it does crash :-/ 20:59:56 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 21:00:22 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 315 to bug 442. 21:00:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=442 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Problems with "Sacco-Vanzetti Instantbird" font 21:00:39 <Mic> Thanks for reminding me of the bug ;) 21:00:39 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 21:00:53 <deOmega> jaja, did u just get one from me? 21:01:36 <deOmega> darn thing just did the usual with windows task scheduler... thought I stopped it 21:01:48 <flo> Arg. libpurple crashes while trying to put some debug stuff in the error console 21:02:00 <flo> that's not the best way to "debug" in my opinion 21:03:32 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 448 filed by jahkae@gmail.com. 21:03:35 --> ibbot has joined #instantbird 21:03:35 --> ibbot has joined #instantbird 21:03:35 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 21:09:24 <Mic> hmm, what was the name for this sort of bug? 21:09:24 <Mic> hmm, what was the name for this sort of bug? 21:09:41 <Mic> (one that only occurs if you look for it?) 21:09:41 <Mic> (one that only occurs if you look for it?) 21:10:28 <flo> it crashes even if you don't have the error console opened ;) 21:10:28 <flo> it crashes even if you don't have the error console opened ;) 21:11:24 <flo> ah, it seems it's already fixed with current trunk libpurple 21:11:24 <flo> ah, it seems it's already fixed with current trunk libpurple 21:12:12 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 449 filed by jahkae@gmail.com. 21:12:12 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 449 filed by jahkae@gmail.com. 21:12:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Status message is lost on restart 21:12:15 <ibbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Status message is lost on restart 21:12:16 <ibbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Status message is lost on restart 21:12:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Status message is lost on restart 21:13:24 <deOmega> hmm, we have two bots now? 21:13:24 <deOmega> hmm, we have two bots now? 21:13:34 <-- flo has kicked ibbot from #instantbird 21:13:34 <-- flo has kicked ibbot from #instantbird 21:17:09 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 21:17:47 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:18:47 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 21:21:11 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 21:25:55 <-- skeledrew|work has quit (Quit: Returning to Instantbird...) 21:29:09 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 21:41:51 <Mic> good night 21:41:56 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 21:47:10 <flo> good night :) 22:22:51 <skeledrew> flo: g'evening 22:26:03 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2) 22:32:50 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 22:34:53 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 22:39:09 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:39:16 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 22:57:12 --> Cris_Brasil has joined #instantbird 23:01:09 <-- Cris_Brasil has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 23:01:17 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.3a1pre) 23:22:24 <-- skeledrew has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2)