#instantbird log on 07 14 2010

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00:05:54 <clokep> flo: That ibaddon handler is how songbird install addons I believe. We can most likely borrow their code.
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02:36:52 <Gizmokid2005> flo: just FYI - This is what John had to say about Instantbird: http://gizmokid2005.pastebin.com/C2FhHGp6 (now I'm off to bed)
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02:39:41 <clokep> "Odd versioning"...the versioning scheme that almost EVERY open source application uses?
02:40:45 <clokep> Sounds like he just wants to bump the version to 1.0 without doing anything extra, that's silly.
02:41:53 <skeledrew> i tend to agree with JT re the version # and interest
02:43:08 <skeledrew> usually apps with a 0.x version tell me it's not really ready for full release
02:43:36 <clokep> And I agree.
02:43:52 <clokep> And I agree that Instantbird is a 0.2 release, for many people its really not ready to replace other IM clients that are out there.
02:43:56 <skeledrew> there are exceptions, but that's the mindset
02:44:12 <skeledrew> yeah
02:44:37 <clokep> I don't like programs that "never" reach a 1.0 release.
02:44:54 <clokep> But having a version < 1.0 tells people its not..."commercial" ready or whatever.
02:44:58 <clokep> Whcih is a good thing if its true. :)
02:46:01 <skeledrew> some people won't look back if they try it and there's something they're used to in IMs that's missing, even when it turns 1.x or more
02:46:33 <clokep> I don't see how the version # has anything to do w/ that then.
02:46:48 <clokep> If it was called 1.2...wouldn't they still try it find it unsatisfactory and then not use it?
02:46:56 <clokep> While there might be some people that'll keep track and try it again when its 1.0
02:46:58 <skeledrew> not really right there
02:47:21 <skeledrew> yeah. some. this one's just me
02:50:33 <skeledrew> i'd rather at least poorly support as wide a range of features found in the more common IMs (whether in the core or via addons) and try getting it to that landmark ASAP, then work on them bit by bit, instead of the other way around
02:51:01 <clokep> skeledrew: I 100% disagree, that sounds like the SOngbird approach...and honestly half the App is unusable for me.
02:53:38 <skeledrew> it wouldn't be unusable, just that some areas of it are somewhat iffy at times
02:53:38 <skeledrew> Pidgin's file transfer is still broken, but at least it works sometimes. same with some of it's plugins
02:56:41 <clokep> I agree. I'd just rather underversion then overversion.
03:00:25 <clokep> Conversaion just had: "Want to switch IM programs again?" "nah...Digsby > Instantbird" "What does Digsby have that Instantbird doesn't?" "no idea but i'm happy, i know nothing about Instantbird"
03:03:07 <clokep> "i'm happy with the functionality of Digsby... dont' need addons, don't really care about FOSS...and I uninstalled Yahoo Toolbar" : sigh : always an uphill battle.
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03:15:30 <clokep> Yay got Instantbird to connect.
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04:03:05 <clokep> flo: My friend is getting weird errors in his error console in 0.2, and some features aren't working. Going to have him restart at some point and still see if he has them. :-\ If not we'll file a bug. (Mac OS X 10.4)
04:03:11 <skeledrew> clokep: <re Digsby convo> lol. tell them Digsby's sending their PERSONAL info to places unknown so it can stay in production. the Yahoo toolbar's the least of their worries. and FYI, Digsby has a file transfer setup that i yearn to see in IB...
04:05:36 <clokep> skeledrew: Done.
04:06:01 <skeledrew> hehe
04:06:14 <clokep> He said "They don't have any exciting personal information of mine."
04:06:45 <skeledrew> hmm. must be an exhibitionist
04:06:57 <clokep> Perhaps.
04:07:05 <clokep> He was using AIM official until I switched him last year.
04:07:08 <clokep> He refused Pidgin thgouh.
04:07:42 <skeledrew> i wonder up to this day what Digsby might do with my email account passwords
04:08:17 * clokep has never used Digsby
04:09:39 <skeledrew> you have no idea how freakish it was seeing posts on my Facebook wall saying i'd had 500 then 100, then 1500, etc conversations via Digsby. and also all the accounts i had added to it (which was quite a few)...
04:10:17 <skeledrew> it was a huge relief to find IB
04:10:41 <skeledrew> and to think i chose it over testing Trillian
04:11:01 <clokep> I'm against Trillian on principle, only ever used it on other's computers.
04:11:13 <skeledrew> principle?
04:11:29 <skeledrew> what's it's con IYO?
04:11:41 <clokep> Its closed source, and the devs seem like a bunch of pricks. :)
04:11:50 <skeledrew> lol
04:13:07 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 444 filed by cdatakill@gmail.com.
04:13:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=444 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, doesnt load contacts
04:14:29 <skeledrew> for me, it was either lose IRC with Digsby, or lose Facebook support with Trillian. i chose the fancy looker with the FB support and regretted it
04:14:43 <clokep> mmmm
04:15:50 <skeledrew> worse, it was nearly heavier than Pidgin in space and RAM usage! the very thing i was running from
04:15:59 <clokep> Mmhmm.
04:16:03 <clokep> Pidgin is pretty lightweight.
04:17:18 <skeledrew> not with the plugins i added. in a race with a turtle i think the turtle would win
04:17:40 <clokep> Ohhh.
04:18:13 <skeledrew> and having to lug GTK+ (or any other library) around on my portable is a no-no for me
04:18:24 <clokep> That was why I wanted rid of Pidgin.
04:18:31 <clokep> GTK+ is a pain, plus it looks tetrrible on Win.
04:18:39 <skeledrew> lol
04:18:42 <skeledrew> k
04:19:05 <skeledrew> but anyway, enough ranting. i've moved on
04:19:07 <clokep> I have to go to bed though.
04:19:12 <clokep> Like 2 hours ago...
04:19:16 <skeledrew> k
04:19:20 <skeledrew> hmm
04:19:31 <skeledrew> i just WKE about 2 hours ago
04:19:38 <skeledrew> *WOKE
04:19:51 <skeledrew> in for a long night probably
04:19:52 <clokep> What TZ are you in? (o_O)
04:20:12 <skeledrew> it's now 2320
04:20:31 <clokep> Its 12:20 AM here.
04:20:42 <skeledrew> k
04:21:07 <skeledrew> i don't think i'm touching bed before 0130
04:21:15 <clokep> Hah. Fair enough.
04:21:30 <skeledrew> :)
04:21:48 <skeledrew> i need to sort out my smiley theme anyway
04:22:03 <skeledrew> figure why it's not working
04:23:08 <clokep> :( Did you look at the ones on AIO?
04:23:36 <skeledrew> i made mine from the guts of the MSN theme
04:24:18 <clokep> Ah, I see.
04:24:23 <skeledrew> i even did a complete repackage. nada
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04:31:08 <skeledrew> clokep: i see your Vertical Tabs got kicked for incompatibility...
04:31:20 <clokep> I have anew version up.
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04:31:38 <clokep> I think...
04:31:50 <skeledrew> it wasn't found on the auto check though
04:31:51 <clokep> Yes: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/244/ 0.2b2 - 0.3a1pre
04:31:56 <clokep> Yeah, its experimental.
04:32:07 <skeledrew> ahhh. k
04:32:17 * clokep really needs to file for it to be moved out of a pre-release.
04:32:46 * skeledrew hates the very sight of red tape
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04:34:26 <clokep> Yeah vertical tabs just had a compatibility patch applied though, there wasn't any changes. Auto-Link actually got updated for the version ump.
04:34:52 <skeledrew> k
04:35:01 <clokep> 'night.
04:35:13 <skeledrew> g'night
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05:02:15 <skeledrew> YAHOO!!! MY THEME WORKS!
05:02:29 * skeledrew dances around the room
05:02:34 <skeledrew> :D
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05:05:26 <tymerkaev> flo: no
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06:13:34 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 445 filed by iam5y@virginia.edu.
06:13:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Buddy list loads, but doesn't show
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06:41:54 <skeledrew_dev> :(|)
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06:43:05 <skeledrew_dev> :(|)
06:43:38 <skeledrew_dev> darn. broke the smileys again
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06:45:31 <skeledrew_dev> :(|)
06:45:39 <skeledrew_dev> AHAAA!
06:46:00 <skeledrew_dev> gotcha
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06:48:42 <skeledrew> Pidgin smileys addon ~20% complete :)
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06:50:49 <tymerkaev> what addon?
06:51:45 <skeledrew> tymerkaev: just converting the Pidgin emoticon theme for IB...
06:51:56 <tymerkaev> whre's is?
06:52:01 <tymerkaev> where*
06:52:16 <skeledrew> ?
06:52:27 <tymerkaev> Pidgin emoticon theme
06:52:36 <tymerkaev> where's?
06:52:44 <skeledrew> in Pidgin...
06:53:01 <skeledrew> under "emotes"
06:53:32 <skeledrew> "pixamaps" i think
07:06:38 <skeledrew> conversion ~60% complete...
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07:26:25 <Mic> I messaged Nils Maier last night, he just replied that the latest version of MinimizeToTray is on AIO now and is pending review .. 
07:26:45 <Mic> Good thing if we have a working copy of it again
07:26:51 <skeledrew> will test in a few :)
07:26:53 <Mic> He's got nearly 2k downloads on this
07:27:34 <Mic> skeledrew: it will need the review first
07:28:56 <skeledrew> Mic: before i can test it?
07:29:58 <Mic> I just wouldn't know how to download it..
07:30:39 <skeledrew> k
07:33:11 <skeledrew> conversion ~95% complete...
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07:34:10 <Mic> Of your Pidgin emoticon theme?
07:34:20 <skeledrew> yeah
07:34:33 <skeledrew> just broke something :(
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08:08:55 * skeledrew is fuming mad at what appears to be a file size limit for the smiley's theme.js file...
08:09:31 * skeledrew can't believe he's already found a limit in IB!
08:10:13 <skeledrew> and to think i was here searching for a none-existent bug in my code
08:14:03 <skeledrew> will conduct further testing later to confirm/deny...
08:33:30 <Even> hi al!
08:35:07 <Even> No welcoming party?
08:35:11 <Even> That's a shame...
08:35:18 <Even> ^^
08:37:18 <Even> It's time to start to communicate around the new release. We want people to try the new version.
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09:01:17 <Mic> Could bug 444 and 445 be duplicates?
09:01:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=444 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, doesnt load contacts
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09:19:37 <Morian> instantbot: bug 445
09:19:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Buddy list loads, but doesn't show
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10:00:22 <instantbot> New Websites - bugzilla.instantbird.org bug 446 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
10:00:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=446 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Test if adding attachments at bug creation works or fails
10:00:41 <Mic> 'The bug was created successfully, but attachment creation failed. Please add your attachment by clicking the "Add an Attachment" link below'
10:00:43 <Mic> hmm :S
10:01:50 <flo> I guess you know which new title you can give to that bug now ;)
10:02:11 <Mic> ah, I found the reason :)
10:02:41 <Mic> "You must enter a description for the attachment.", at least it says this when trying the same thing from the "Add attachment" screen
10:02:52 <Mic> Why doesn't it complain before submitting then? :S
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11:00:37 <clokep> flo: My reply on bug 444, yeah he filed bug 445. I think it might be a dup, but who knows.
11:00:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=444 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, doesnt load contacts
11:00:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Buddy list loads, but doesn't show
11:01:10 <clokep> Whoa, that got awkwardly linked not where it was supposed to...
11:01:14 <clokep> :(
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12:03:53 <clokep_work> Good morning!
12:05:01 <tymerkaev> hi, clokep
12:05:30 <tymerkaev> morning WAS really good
12:05:41 <clokep_work> Mine's still going strong. ;)
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12:18:25 <tymerkaev> clokep: you've register on mozwiki?
12:19:11 <clokep_work> tymerkaev: I actually did like 3 minutes ago, yes?
12:19:24 <tymerkaev> yes
12:19:25 <clokep_work> s/\?/\.
12:19:28 <tymerkaev> RSS
12:19:34 <clokep_work> Creepy. ;)
12:19:38 <clokep_work> Yes, that was me.
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13:14:15 * skeledrew just corrupted the whole theme file and has to start over :(
13:20:21 <flo> you are using a script to do the conversation, don't you?
13:20:36 <skeledrew> yeah
13:21:08 <flo> by the way, what was your problem with a "file size limit"?
13:21:27 <skeledrew> but i ran into issues and was experimenting, and accidentally deleted the major protocol set
13:22:44 <skeledrew> i'm noticing that whenever i remove a certain amount of entries (doesn't matter which), the theme loads fine. but it doesn't when it's all there
13:23:11 <flo> probably a syntax error in one of the entries
13:23:23 <skeledrew> so i'm still trying to figure if it's definitely a file size issue
13:23:50 * flo gets back in a few minutes
13:24:00 <skeledrew> flo: i swapped them out one by one; all the sections work fine individually
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13:24:54 <skeledrew> hmm. i wonder why flo hasn't updated his IB yet...
13:25:03 <clokep_work> Was just wondering that myself.
13:25:08 <clokep_work> Maybe he doesn't trust his own code. =-o
13:25:37 <skeledrew> lol
13:26:48 <skeledrew> well, let's try this script again...
13:30:48 <skeledrew> one thing i noticed about the theme file (and the cause of my main problem from the other day) is that it doesn't accept comment lines. isn't it supposed to be a valid JS file?
13:31:15 * clokep_work wonders where the parsing of the files is done.
13:31:58 <skeledrew> clokep_work: the errors are in imSmileys.jsm (when they show)
13:35:41 <clokep_work> Hm. But I don't think that's where the file is actually parsed, although I'm not even sure what the files look like so I don't know. :)
13:36:21 <clokep_work> Did you try a multiline comment? /* Some comment */ that might work.
13:36:58 <clokep_work> I'm not sure its supposed to be a valid js file so much a valid JSON file, which probably can't have comments in it?
13:37:57 <skeledrew> hmm. k
13:38:17 <skeledrew> i made my own way to insert comments though
13:38:36 <skeledrew> i put it in a blank emote entry :)
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13:45:01 <skeledrew> maybe i should just support smileys for the MAJOR prototcols. who uses QQ? ICQ? AIM anybody?
13:45:17 <flo> QQ is almost a monopoly in China
13:45:35 <skeledrew> k
13:45:37 <flo> ICQ is dominant in several countries in eastern Europe
13:45:39 <clokep_work> The majority of the east coast of America uses AIM.
13:45:47 <clokep_work> (West coast seems to use MSN.)
13:45:48 <skeledrew> oh boy
13:45:52 <skeledrew> scrap that
13:46:02 <clokep_work> :)
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13:46:38 <beigbeider> Здравствуйте / Hello
13:46:45 <clokep_work> Hello beigbeider 
13:47:04 <skeledrew> beigbeider: hello
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13:47:49 <flo> skeledrew: what about adding inside the object: _comment: "some string" for a comment?
13:47:58 <skeledrew> and i don't want to make several themes, cuz it's a multiproto IM, unless all could be somehow used at once...
13:48:31 <skeledrew> flo: hmm. didn't exactly think of that...
13:49:12 <skeledrew> and it'd be more uniform too
13:50:14 <flo> by the way, I haven't updated because my add-ons aren't (marked as) compatible yet
13:50:59 <beigbeider> How to view a list of channels on the server IRC?
13:51:15 <flo> unfortunately, that's not possible yet :(
13:51:47 <clokep_work> skeledrew: I believe you're running into the problem of why most multiprotocol IM clients have their own smile theme. :)
13:52:12 <skeledrew> clokep_work: *sighs* yeah
13:52:26 <skeledrew> but i'll find a way around it. i always do
13:54:39 <skeledrew> i think i'll zap those redundancies (ther're quite a few). but i might miss some of the more unique text reps for some protocols...
13:54:48 <skeledrew> *there're
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13:59:41 <skeledrew> so far so good
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14:03:02 <skeledrew_dev> busted...
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14:05:08 <flo> skeledrew: you can use jslint to check that the syntax of your JSON file is valid ;)
14:05:15 <beigbeider> I love Instabird
14:05:19 <beigbeider> =)
14:05:28 <flo> :)
14:05:29 <skeledrew> *sighs*
14:05:29 <skeledrew> seems i'm exceeding the size again
14:05:38 <skeledrew> flo: k
14:07:49 <Mic> beigeider: you can do "/msg chanserv list *" to get a private message from the channel bot
14:07:57 <Mic> beigbeider: you can do "/msg chanserv list *" to get a private message from the channel bot
14:08:20 <clokep_work> If chanserv exists, no? ;)
14:08:31 <Mic> Assuming that ..
14:09:01 <beigbeider> Спасибо / Thanks
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14:10:38 <Mic> you're welcome 
14:10:51 <tymerkaev> welcome back, beigbeider! ;)
14:11:25 <skeledrew> i found the problem. THANKS FLO!
14:11:32 <beigbeider> Спасибо. Ещё раз здравствуйте. / Thank you. Hello again.
14:11:35 <skeledrew> now how do i fix it
14:11:43 <skeledrew> ...
14:12:12 <clokep_work> What was the issue/
14:12:21 <skeledrew> it's a compat issue with the smiley itself and the JS file...
14:12:34 <clokep_work> You mean the actual image file?
14:12:36 <skeledrew> {"filename": "embarrassed.png", "textCodes": [":">"]},
14:12:58 <skeledrew> the " in the smiley's messing with the parser
14:13:05 <beigbeider> Задумал сделать скин в стиле Steam Powered. / Mind to make a skin in the style of Steam Powered.
14:13:06 <tymerkaev> beigbeider: Пиши по-английски \ Write in English.
14:13:09 <clokep_work> Yeah well it stops the string.
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14:13:17 <clokep_work> {"filename": "embarrassed.png", "textCodes": [":\">"]},
14:13:19 <clokep_work> Should do it.
14:13:28 <Mic> Escape it
14:13:33 <skeledrew> ahh. escape it
14:13:33 <Mic> ah, yes
14:15:06 <clokep_work> Or {"filename": "embarrassed.png", "textCodes": [':">']},
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14:15:18 <clokep_work> If you want to save a character and keep the file size down. (o_O)
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14:15:45 <Mic> I also think it it's easier to tell "what's going on"
14:17:10 <clokep_work> Mic: I think its the C++ in me...but I only use ' to refer to a character, so I'll do regexStr.split('/'); but listString.split(", ")
14:17:11 <instantbot> c++ is e-- ah, nevermind.
14:17:26 <skeledrew> lolz
14:17:38 <skeledrew> i love that bot
14:18:20 <tymerkaev> http://www.jslint.com/
14:18:27 <skeledrew> clokep_work: alternate doesn't work...
14:18:38 <skeledrew> Problem at line 128 character 51: Strings must use doublequote.
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14:19:01 <clokep_work> skeledrew: Oh, right...JSON has to use double quotes, you're not just creating an object.
14:19:04 <clokep_work> My bad. :)
14:19:19 <skeledrew> escape it is...
14:19:49 <tymerkaev> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/100315/ may helps you
14:20:35 <skeledrew> k
14:28:31 <flo> does the new version of minimize to tray work?
14:28:48 <flo> looking at the errors pasted in bug 444, I'm not really sure :-S
14:28:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=444 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, doesnt load contacts
14:30:08 <clokep_work> flo: bug 445, he told me it was something with the NS_FACTORY...not loading. The information is in my logs at home. :(
14:30:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Buddy list loads, but doesn't show
14:31:23 <Mic> oh, that's not good @bug 444
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14:35:43 <skeledrew> if only i had jslint earlier, this theme'd be packaged already
14:36:30 <flo> good tools help a lot ;)
14:36:40 <skeledrew> yep
14:36:48 <clokep_work> Nah, just use cat. ;)
14:37:01 <clokep_work> I actually had an argument about why I don't like to use vim yesterday. :(
14:37:02 <clokep_work> Or vi.
14:37:10 <skeledrew> and next time i'll think twice before wailing on IB :)
14:38:34 <Mic> Real programmers use .. 
14:38:41 <Mic> ok, not again ;)
14:38:42 <skeledrew> NPP!
14:38:59 <clokep_work> We should just teach Instantbot that and then we won't have to retype it. :P
14:39:27 <flo> maybe instantbot prefers emacs? :-P
14:39:40 * skeledrew wants to teach instantbot too :)
14:39:53 <flo> you can do it in private messages ;)
14:40:05 <skeledrew> oh?
14:40:17 <skeledrew> what're the commands?
14:40:49 <clokep_work> instantbot: help
14:40:51 <instantbot> clokep_work: help info /msg'ed
14:41:01 <clokep_work> Damnit. :(
14:41:05 <skeledrew> lol
14:41:14 <clokep_work> skeledrew: Just msg help to him.
14:41:25 * clokep_work wonders if instantbot is a he?
14:41:32 <Mic> Is it possible to overwrite commands?
14:41:36 <skeledrew> someone needs a refresher course in bot training
14:41:43 <flo> idechix: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/nsContextMenu.js#284
14:42:15 <flo> arg
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14:44:53 <flo> /Chanserv help
14:45:25 <clokep_work> (o_O)
14:46:03 <skeledrew> this seems to be the day for vot foulups...
14:46:10 <skeledrew> *bot
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14:47:32 <flo> idechix: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/nsContextMenu.js#284
14:48:11 <Mic> idechix: congratulations, you fought the pixels very well :)
14:48:21 <clokep_work> Yes, yes, idechix++
14:48:51 <idechix> thanks !
14:49:36 <Even> +1 here !
14:49:44 <Even> Very good job ideed :)
14:51:06 <idechix> thx ;)
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14:51:46 * ChanServ sets mode +o idechix 
14:51:51 <Mic> bye
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14:57:17 <skeledrew> theme conversion100% complete :)
14:57:44 <skeledrew> moving to packaging...
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15:02:12 <skeledrew> packaging 50% complete
15:03:03 <skeledrew> clokep_work: can i add comments somewhere re possible limitations, etc of the theme?
15:04:27 <clokep_work> skeledrew: What do you mean?
15:04:59 <skeledrew> like a message people can see when they're installing it
15:06:00 <clokep_work> Oh.
15:06:03 <skeledrew> btw, what should i bump the min/max version to?
15:06:29 <clokep_work> min should be the minimum you test with, so 0.2 most likely, max should be 0.2.* or 0.3a1pre depending which one you want. :P
15:06:49 <skeledrew> ahh. k
15:06:53 <clokep_work> I usualyl just put the trunk as the max but don't necessarily "support" it. People running the trunk should be able to support themselves IMO.
15:07:13 <clokep_work> You could add an onload handler to instantbird.xul most likely and then open a popup window with a little blurb.
15:07:25 <clokep_work> Or if you want to be fancy you can add a popup when they switch to that theme. ;)
15:07:59 <skeledrew> hmm
15:08:09 <skeledrew> not at that point yet :)
15:09:10 <skeledrew> i'm just worried about possible conflicts, but that might not matter...
15:09:30 <skeledrew> at least it's working great :D
15:09:58 <clokep_work> Conflicts with a pop up type thing or conflicts in general?
15:10:14 <skeledrew> the smileys themselves
15:11:05 <skeledrew> i'm just thinking, cuz it's meant to support protocols individually, so it has alot of duplicates...
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15:21:22 * skeledrew hereby declares that the Pidgin smileys theme is ready for extensive testing :)
15:21:31 <skeledrew> so where do i put it?
15:23:43 <clokep_work> AIO/
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15:23:46 <clokep_work> s/\/\?