#instantbird log on 07 10 2010

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06:14:56 <Mic> morning
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10:25:10 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 441 filed by buggy@mailinator.com.
10:25:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=441 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, minimize with ESC key
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14:50:54 <Mic> flo: do you know anything about Weave?
14:51:13 <Mic> ie how it works in detail?
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16:48:37 <clokep> bug 123
16:48:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Stacks for exceptions are unusable
16:48:53 <clokep> Well it works. ;)
16:50:07 <clokep> Mic: Do you mean Firefox Sync? ;) I've looked at the API, but my understanding is that it just uses WebDav, so it should the backend would be relatively easy to port to anything, with just UI hookups. But I haven't looked at the code at all. :)
16:52:13 <Mic> I guess the server part is only to store what it gets from the client as data has been encrypted before transmitting it
16:52:42 <clokep> Right, but he server part I believe is just a standard webdav server, so its "no configuration".
16:52:51 <Mic> ah, ok
16:53:13 <clokep> The Mozilla Weave server stuff AFAIK just deals with creating users, portioning out disk space, etc. but if you happen to have a server with webdav...you don't need that stuff, you just point to your url, etc.
16:53:36 <clokep> Don't know if anyone saw this, but shows what can be done w/ the new add-on manager: http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2010/07/How-to-extend-the-new-Add-ons-Manager
16:53:38 <Mic> So if we would port Sync to Instantbird we could just use an own server and don't need anything special
16:54:53 <clokep> That's my understanding of it, but if you wanted to offer it to users...you'd need to do something like what Mozilla is doing (although you could actually probably /use/ Mozilla's server, just ask users to sign up there and point to that URL). The server doesn't know where/what the data is.
16:55:01 <clokep> Where its comfing from rather.
16:55:05 <clokep> -f
16:55:12 <Mic> That was the initial idea
16:55:26 <Mic> Even though I think they offer the server part as well
16:55:47 <clokep> They do, but if I use Firefox and Instantbird...why do I want to keep track of two servers? :)
16:56:03 <Mic> I guess it could be against the terms of usage
16:56:06 <clokep> Oh, wait. Do you mean they offer the server for users to sign up for or they offer the code?
16:56:12 <Mic> the code
16:56:31 <clokep> I don't think it is, the API is there and I believe Mozilla is encouraging other browser's to use it (not sure about with their servers though of course...) but we could look into it.
16:56:59 <clokep> ToS: https://services.mozilla.com/tos/
16:57:30 <clokep> You're right. :(
16:57:37 <clokep> 1.3 You may not access (or attempt to access) any of the Services by any means other than through the Mozilla Firefox browsers distributed by or authorized by Mozilla, the Firefox Sync Add-on, or other API that is authorized and provided by Mozilla, unless you have been specifically allowed to do so in writing by Mozilla. You specifically agree not to access (or attempt to access) any of the Services through any automated means (including
16:57:42 <clokep> (Sorry, that was long.)
16:58:05 <Mic> I just found it as well
16:58:51 <clokep> Although it does say you can use the "API that is authorized and provided by Mozilla" so if that's all that was used...
16:58:51 <Mic> I guess Sync could be worth the trouble to port :)
16:59:10 <clokep> I think so. :)
16:59:25 <clokep> Is it toolkit in Gecko 2, or just part of browser?
16:59:27 <Mic> Easily sharing logs and stuff between different locations would be a killer-feature among other IM clients
16:59:38 <clokep> Personally I don't use sync cause I don't like sending my stuff to a server I don't own. :(
16:59:52 * clokep wants a server with webdav support. Silly IIS isn't supported.
17:00:01 <Mic> It's ok for me, I'm trusting that the encryption is good enough
17:00:19 <clokep> I also only have one device, so that gets rid of half the benefit. :)
17:00:40 <Mic> http://mozillalabs.com/sync/
17:01:01 <Mic> The posting on Feb, 5th gives some infos
17:01:24 <Mic> look for "We’re also releasing a number of early prototypes and sample code..."
17:02:31 <Mic> What would need to be synced?
17:02:42 <Mic> The accounts, logs, buddy list
17:02:54 <Mic> Anything else?
17:07:54 <clokep> Sorry, was emptying the car.
17:07:57 <clokep> prefs
17:09:24 <clokep> If we actually were interested in using the Mozilla servers I'm sure we coudl ask in mozilla.legal newsgroup about the ToS, they're responsive, I've posted there before.
17:10:03 <clokep> Do you use Sync, like you know how it works? I'm norea lly sure how it all goes...
17:10:23 <clokep> Also, Mic, did you see I posted a working version of my addon? Or at least work as far as I can tell...I haven't tested everything yet.
17:10:58 <Mic> Have you submitted it to AIO?
17:11:07 <Mic> The updater didn't find an new one yet
17:11:39 <clokep> Its marked experimental, won't update automatically.
17:11:50 * clokep is waiting for a bug to be mentioned in #tb-bugs.
17:14:56 <Mic> hmm, "Find updates" doesn't work on it either :S
17:15:11 <Mic> I mean suggesting updates for experimental addons is one thing
17:15:26 <Mic> Not even returning anything if the user explicitely asks for it is another..
17:15:48 <clokep> I know. Or have it be like "There's an experimental version available, owuld you like to update to it"? I think that would be good.
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17:21:35 <Mic> bug 123
17:21:36 <Mic> :)
17:21:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Stacks for exceptions are unusable
17:22:02 <Mic> I already ditched my Link Bugzilla extension :)
17:22:15 <Mic> (is "ditch" the right word?)
17:31:26 <clokep> Glad it works for you.
17:31:37 <clokep> I was checking protocol.name instead of protocol.id. :)
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18:30:28 <clokep> Doesn't seem like my general mozilla filter is working. :(
18:31:06 <Mic> It should work on any channel, shouldn't it?
18:36:44 <Mic> 800MHz just suck ;)
18:38:00 <Mic> I down-clocked my old Athlon 1600 because of the heat .. and its reaction times are as worse as I expected
18:43:25 <clokep> No, each channel has its own filter so that it can link to a different place...
18:44:16 <clokep> I think I'm missing a group.
18:44:34 <clokep> Will find out when I restart (then gonna watch URU vs GER)
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18:46:24 <clokep> Now, we wait. ;)
18:46:49 <flo> I think we can request authorization from Mozilla to use their server for weave
18:47:48 <flo> It'd be great for accounts, buddies (especially tags and local aliases), and some preferences
18:47:54 <flo> I'm not sure about the logs though
18:48:05 <flo> that may use a bit too much storage
18:51:50 <clokep> Possibly. Could be an optional thing, something that can be enabled if you roll your own server.
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19:15:51 <flo> yes, we could store the log if it's a different server
19:16:10 <flo> I was also thinking that maybe we could use DropBox for that (there are a few GB of free storage there)
19:19:40 <clokep> Yeah, dropbox is pretty good.
19:19:55 <flo> and they have an API! :)
19:20:06 <clokep> Oh, they do? Interesting.
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19:20:13 <flo> I requested access to it
19:20:14 <flo> it was granted
19:20:30 <clokep> Still need a way to actually sync the files though.
19:20:32 <flo> the problem is... it relies on OAuth to identify the application. (with a private key...)
19:20:36 <flo> like twitter
19:20:48 <flo> that's not very compatible with desktop applications, and even less with OpenSource
19:20:51 <clokep> :(
19:21:00 <clokep> Yes, we had this conversation before. ;)
19:21:06 <flo> yeah...
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22:35:19 <Mic> nn
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23:06:52 <clokep> Figured out my issue with the filter, if anyone is curious you can change the mozilla.org rooms filter to "#(?!(instant|song)bird).+" and it /should/ work.
23:21:16 * flo hopes the next build will be green
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23:39:28 <flo> yet another failed build :-/
23:39:45 <hicham> wow
23:39:54 <hicham> what was the cause ?
23:40:47 <flo> we are still fighting with the last details of the new update system ;)
23:43:41 <flo> good night! :)
23:43:50 <hicham> good night 
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