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00:27:43 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 00:30:55 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 00:38:13 <hicham> hi skeledrew 00:38:24 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 00:39:45 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 01:02:22 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 01:04:40 <clokep> flo: I know we'd need to ensure that we have people around and stuff, but I was just thinking since its an IM program it would make sense to attempt to offer help via IM since all the protocols are in there. :) 01:04:59 <flo> yes 01:05:08 * clokep wasn't expecting you to be here. 01:05:18 * flo neither 01:05:52 <clokep> Does Instantbird have any sort of feedback right now (besides bugzilla, which tends to be rather techy)? 01:06:10 <hicham> maybe a crash reporter 01:06:13 <clokep> And as far as I know there's nothing for support...but that's tough w/ a small community. 01:07:11 <flo> I'd like to have a "send feedback" thing where people could write whatever they think (good or bad) and send it to use with a single click 01:07:16 <flo> anonymously if they want 01:07:17 <clokep> hicham: Instantbird has a crash reporter. :) 01:07:23 <flo> with an email if they would like an reply 01:07:47 <clokep> flo: http://aakash.doesthings.com/2010/06/25/hi-my-name-is-firefox-input/ 01:07:53 <clokep> Something like that? 01:08:43 <flo> yeah 01:09:00 <flo> I'm not sure if the feedback sent through this should be publicly visible or not 01:09:17 <clokep> Right. 01:10:32 <flo> I'd like it to be public 01:10:54 <flo> but I guess some people could be upset about it if they misunderstood the purpose of it 01:11:24 <clokep> What about a checkbox that says "make this private" that is unchecked by default? 01:11:33 <clokep> (But explain that it'll be anonymous either way.) 01:14:11 <clokep> (PS I have really crappy internet so if you're expecting a response and I don't give one its possible I don't get it, just ping me. :)) 01:14:46 <flo> by the way, you may want to read/add content to: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Brainstorm:feedback 01:15:27 <flo> weren't you supposed to be away from the internet for the week-end? ;) 01:16:17 <clokep> I went for a 15 mile bike ride this morning and sat by the pool all day. :P 01:16:23 <clokep> And I have no idea how many kilometers that is, so don't ask. ;) 01:17:28 <hicham> multiply by 1.6 01:18:09 * clokep always converts any distance to inches, knows that 2.54 cm = 1 in, then converts to km. 01:18:27 <clokep> flo: Interesting mock up. Similar idea to what I had. 01:18:27 * flo asks google 01:18:48 <clokep> The new Windows 7 calculator is good too. :) 01:18:55 <flo> clokep: http://www.google.fr/search?q=15+miles+in+kilometers 01:19:32 <clokep> flo: I know Google does it, its pretty good at it too until you start getting into really weird units. Google wasn't made for engineers. :( 01:19:53 <flo> no, it was made *by* engineers 01:19:56 <flo> that's even better 01:20:20 <clokep> Hahahah. I think it was made by /scientists/, that's even "better". ;) 01:20:22 <skeledrew> clokep: use Wolframalpha 01:20:33 <clokep> I actually prefer Bing. :-] 01:21:38 <flo> I have a vague idea of what the distances in miles and inches are. Inches are used for screen sizes. And miles... I spent 3 months in california and had a car then ;). 01:21:41 <clokep> I like the idea, I think public mailing list would be best, like mozilla.feedback.* 01:21:59 <clokep> I'm good w/ cm and m, but km kind of get me. 01:21:59 <flo> I've no idea of the distances in feet without converting though. 01:22:22 * clokep wishes America would switch to metric. 01:24:23 <flo> we could convert units automatically and put them in tooltips :) 01:24:40 <clokep> If we're doing that we should also translate and do it. ;) 01:24:41 <flo> temperatures in Â°F are hard too. 01:25:01 <clokep> its 5/9 - 32 or something. 01:25:19 <flo> couldn't be easier to mentally convert ;) 01:25:28 <clokep> (T in F - 32) * 5 / 9 = (T in C) 01:25:30 <clokep> :) 01:25:53 <clokep> flo: I believe my favorite is slugs to kg. :P 01:26:06 * flo googles slugs 01:26:44 <clokep> Its the US unit of mass, which is hardly used cause we always talk about "lbs" as if they're a mass and not a weight. 01:26:57 <clokep> So a "slug" is lbs / g (acceleration due to gravity). 01:27:44 <clokep> flo: What kind of engineer are you? 01:27:58 <flo> software engineer ;) 01:28:41 <skeledrew> flo: :D 01:28:53 <clokep> Cool, my undergraduate is in mechanical and electrical engineering. 01:29:25 <clokep> A lot of my friends are computer engineers. Which I suppose has a bit of a hardware focus to it, but I know a lot of computer science majors as well. 01:31:44 <clokep> Software people are just lazy. ;) 01:31:56 <flo> that's required! 01:32:07 <flo> make the computer do your work for you! :) 01:32:11 <clokep> So that's why 0.2 hasn't been released. ;) 01:32:42 <flo> it would be nice if that could be the only reason :) 01:33:22 <flo> I really want/need to know why it took us so much time. 01:33:34 * clokep just found a weird hot key. 01:33:54 <clokep> Shft + PgUp/PgDw scrolls the conversation window? 01:34:08 <clokep> Yeah, well...Even sounded like the upgrade infrastructure is mostly done? 01:34:14 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 01:34:35 <flo> not really "done" 01:34:42 <flo> the hard issues are figured out 01:34:55 <flo> but there's still some of the implementation work to do 01:35:06 <clokep> Ohhhh I see. 01:35:11 <flo> and we need to test it seriously before it can replace the existing stuff 01:35:48 <flo> but I'm confident. We have something that is going to work soon :) 01:35:53 <clokep> Gotcha, well let us know if you need some testing behind random firewalls or whatever. 01:36:35 <flo> nothing in the way the application behaves will change (we still use the mozilla system) 01:37:12 <flo> the changes are only on the servers. How we decide which build should be updated to which other build. If it's automatic or with the user's approval, etc... 01:37:16 <clokep> OK, wasn't sure if you needed to make sure people could connect via firewalls, etc. 01:37:35 <flo> only invisible things, but that all have a high potential for screwing us up if we have bugs in them ;) 01:38:26 <clokep> Those are the worst. 01:39:09 <flo> yeah, it's all very scary. We need to be extra careful about how this works. Be sure no "unexpected" situation is possible. 01:41:38 <clokep> Yeah its like a big monster jumping out from under the bed. 01:53:06 <flo> Good night. :) 01:53:14 <clokep> 'night. 01:53:16 <skeledrew> night 01:55:58 <clokep> Gonna update. 01:56:04 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 01:56:20 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 01:56:22 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: clokep) 01:56:39 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 02:00:03 <skeledrew> clokep: update IB? 02:00:16 <clokep> skeledrew: Yes. Nightly. 02:00:27 <skeledrew> k... 02:00:46 <skeledrew> i'm still on 0.2b2 02:00:59 <clokep> Ah. Yeah I just run the nightlies, they're stable enough. :) 02:01:09 <skeledrew> k 02:01:48 <hicham> clokep : which gecko version is used in the nightlies 02:02:38 <clokep> 1.9.2 02:02:46 <clokep> As I've been saying all along! :) 02:02:53 <hicham> good 02:03:46 * hicham has returned to 1.9.2 as his desktop has suffered from a mass breakage 02:03:46 <clokep> It is kind of weird that you can't tell if IRC is connected or not. 02:04:02 <clokep> I can't really tell if I'm still connected or not since its not on my buddy list. 02:04:24 <hicham> try adding buddies 02:05:03 <clokep> On IRC? 02:06:25 <hicham> yes 02:06:32 <hicham> that is not possible ? 02:06:43 <clokep> I don't know. 02:06:58 <skeledrew> clokep: yeah. it really sucks 02:07:15 <clokep> Even if its possible, I'm not sure it makes sense. 02:07:23 <hicham> why not ? 02:07:43 <skeledrew> but as i said, flo said IRCs aren't buddies 02:07:44 <clokep> I thought you can't really add buddies in IRC cause there's no way to see if a buddy is on IRC without like pinging the server specifically for each buddy. 02:07:49 <clokep> Right. 02:08:27 <skeledrew> but i still like my rooms showing in the list, for easy management 02:08:38 <skeledrew> as it does in Pidgin 02:09:01 <clokep> :) I just autoconnect to the two rooms I go to. 02:09:27 <skeledrew> clokep: and what about the hassle if you accidentally close the window? 02:09:35 <skeledrew> wait someone to send a message? 02:09:41 <clokep> Then I just use /join 02:09:50 <clokep> But it doesn't really happen to me that often. 02:09:53 <skeledrew> *wait for 02:09:57 <clokep> Half the time I'm on IRC I'm using mibbit anyway. 02:10:48 <clokep> At work and I have a lot of trouble connection to irc.mozilla.org from my ISP. :( 02:14:04 <skeledrew> having it in the list also allows me to see if the channels actually available, and i can comfortably close the tab knowing i'm still in the room :) 02:14:08 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 02:16:35 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 03:32:04 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 03:35:51 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 05:12:00 <-- Amfi has quit (Ping timeout) 06:32:07 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 06:32:23 <Mic> morning 06:37:29 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 07:06:03 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 07:06:11 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 07:44:21 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 07:46:16 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 08:00:18 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 09:35:31 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:42:38 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 10:53:53 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 11:47:59 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 11:48:42 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 11:52:40 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 435 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 11:52:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Show custom smilies" option 11:52:45 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:21:44 <-- hicham has quit (Ping timeout) 12:22:45 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 12:22:52 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: Amfi) 12:24:04 --> hicham has joined #instantbird 12:34:53 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 13:18:44 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 13:36:08 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 13:36:32 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 14:21:59 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 14:22:49 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 15:10:16 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Ping timeout) 15:59:24 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 16:06:34 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 16:12:58 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:44:22 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 17:06:50 <Mic> I read through the "Making Add-ons People will Love" slides and I can only recommend that 17:09:14 <Mic> (the slides are available as PDF and come with comments from the giver of the talk) 17:12:59 <flo> :) 17:16:33 <Mic> I've to admit I overlooked the point that people might not want additional (core) functionality than what is currently in an add-on 17:17:27 <Mic> So I guess Link Bugzilla will stay what it is and a more general tool to replace strings with links (or whatever you want/can do) should become a new add-on instead 17:18:29 <flo> if you make a general purpose replacement add-on, I think it's pretty obvious that you don't want to have "bugzilla" in its name ;) 17:19:49 <Mic> hmm, maybe something like (name/renaming) would have lead to a new addon anyways .. 17:20:39 <Mic> remove the brackets, btw 17:21:04 <flo> yes 17:21:12 <flo> it's common sense :) 17:21:50 * flo needs to make instantbird crash for the screenshots of https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Fqueze/0.2_Launch/stability 17:22:36 <Mic> Can't you create an add-on for that? 17:23:23 <flo> I know a real crash that will do :) 17:23:56 <flo> the one I fixed recently is there in 0.2 beta 2 ;) 17:23:57 <Mic> Bottle it in an add-on and you'll always have it if you need it ;) 17:24:11 <flo> mozilla has a crashme add-on :) 17:24:23 <Mic> You see? ;) 17:24:59 <flo> I don't think we should put it on AIO 17:25:48 <Mic> As long as it's not an "Auto-crash on startup" addon ;) 17:27:04 <Mic> "This crash was generously provided by the Instantbird team" ;) 17:27:16 <flo> cool 17:27:41 <flo> to keep you away from your online friends and increase your real life productivity ;) 17:28:16 <hicham> flo : +1 17:29:02 <hicham> flo the internet addicts ' savior 17:29:59 <Mic> There are actually error messages like this 17:30:20 <flo> not in Instantbird ;) 17:30:31 <Mic> cf http://hyperiums.com/blablob 17:30:55 <Mic> (it's an online game I played long ago) 17:32:48 <Mic> Do nightly builds fit into an article about stability? 17:34:13 <flo> I think so 17:34:34 <flo> the reason they exist is so that the issues we catch in them don't appear in general releases 17:35:37 <Mic> What about saying exactly this? 17:37:55 <Mic> Right now the connection to the rest of the article is that they can be updated as well 17:38:02 <flo> you can edit the wiki page :) 17:40:10 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 18:00:52 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 18:01:13 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 18:11:53 <flo> Mic: I've just edited the page. please tell me if you spot any mistake :) 18:12:02 <flo> my screenshots are ready 18:12:09 <flo> I'll post on the blog after diner 18:20:00 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 18:20:00 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b2. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 18:20:00 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 18:21:56 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 18:21:56 * ChanServ sets mode +h Morian 18:22:12 <Morian> cool instantbot is already back here 20:13:19 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 436 filed by email@example.com. 20:13:21 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 20:13:21 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b2. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 20:13:22 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 20:13:38 <Mic> :) 20:14:03 <Mic> Was that just coincidence or can a new bug report bring Instantbot to check its state and maybe reenter the channel? 20:14:50 <Mic> instantbot: safe-mode is <reply>Information on the safe-mode can be found at https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:safe-mode 20:14:50 <instantbot> Mic: ok 20:14:59 <Mic> instantbot: safe-mode 20:15:01 <instantbot> Mic: Information on the safe-mode can be found at https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:safe-mode 20:16:16 <flo> do you think that replying to tweets like "Playing around with Instantbird for my Public IM conversations. It's very simple, like Pidgin, so liking it so far." could be useful? 20:16:49 <flo> The message could say "We are glad you seem to like it, don't hesitate to report any issue you may find, or discuss improvement ideas with us! :)" 20:17:35 <flo> I'm sure if people see we watch for feedback they will like the product more, but I'm not sure how "spammy"/unexpected such a message would appear to be 20:18:17 <Mic> I guess Twitter doesn't leave much space for explanations ;) 20:20:01 <Mic> Does Twitter support concatenating several messages? (Would be completely pervert the principle that it is based on;) 20:20:28 <flo> we can pastebin the longer messages 20:24:34 <Mic> Maybe a message saying that we're interested in feedback and therfore we're looking out for postings on Twitter and elsewhere on the web 20:27:16 <flo> the people at digsby seem to reply to lots of tweets mentining digsby: http://twitter.com/digsby 20:28:24 <Mic> Looks like they're doing nothing else ;) 20:29:17 <flo> they keep saying linux and mac will be supported and that they are working on it "now" ;) 20:40:19 <Mic> The "Cleaner UI" posting will be next? 20:41:44 <flo> next is message styles 20:41:48 <flo> (monday) 20:41:57 <flo> cleaner UI tuesday 20:42:16 <Mic> ok 20:45:06 --> Ornthalas has joined #instantbird 20:46:47 <flo> the screenshot are already ready 20:47:02 <flo> only the ones involving crashes were left to do 20:57:28 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 20:58:15 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:34:02 <flo> good night :) 21:34:58 <clokep> Isn't it like 9:30?! 21:35:19 <hicham> flo is tired today 21:35:27 <hicham> il a fait le mÃ©nage 21:35:40 <clokep> Fair enough. We're off tomorrow. :) 21:35:46 <clokep> We = Americans. :P 21:35:49 <clokep> Or most Americans. 21:46:55 <Mic> Good night 21:47:02 <clokep> 'night Mic. 21:47:10 <Mic> Ah, independence day, isn't it? 21:47:35 <clokep> Yes. 21:47:53 <Mic> Have fun 21:47:56 <clokep> The day when aliens come and attempt to destroy America, but we manage to beat them by uploading a computer virus into their mother ship. :) 21:48:00 <clokep> Thanks. 21:52:31 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 22:09:12 * clokep is now known as clokep_bbq 22:16:31 <-- hicham has quit (Client exited) 22:58:22 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 23:34:38 <FishFace> Just got this from a user on AIM - 7:33:24 PM - Jackson: your responses are all full of ariel, font size, span style, etc......how come? 23:35:10 <FishFace> What do I need to fix this?