#instantbird log on 07 01 2010

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00:02:31 <skeledrew> officially? not really. just want to make some addons, etc for now while i'm learning about the Mozilla platform, etc. i'll think about going deeper when i have a better understanding of everything. nice to help out where i can too
00:07:08 <hicham> thanks for your suggestion about changing the message style
00:07:14 <hicham> it worked like a charm
00:07:34 <skeledrew> no p
00:08:14 <hicham> can you see the credits page without problems ?
00:10:16 <skeledrew> yep
00:11:51 <hicham> then it should some changes in credits.dtd
00:12:26 <skeledrew> not seeing yours?
00:14:37 <hicham> no, i get an error
00:17:14 <skeledrew> which file?
00:17:24 <skeledrew> and what is it?
00:18:55 <hicham> XML Parsing Error: undefined entity
00:18:55 <hicham> Location: jar:file:///usr/lib/instantbird-0.2pre/chrome/instantbird.jar!/instantbird/credits.xhtml
00:18:55 <hicham> Line Number 217, Column 38:        <p id="gecko" class="center">&credit.poweredByGeckoReg;</p>
00:18:55 <hicham> -------------------------------------^
00:19:48 <hicham> 01:18:55 AM - hicham: XML Parsing Error: undefined entity
00:19:49 <hicham> 01:18:55 AM - hicham: Location: jar:file:///usr/lib/instantbird-0.2pre/chrome/instantbird.jar!/instantbird/credits.xhtml
00:19:49 <hicham> 01:18:55 AM - hicham: Line Number 217, Column 38: <p id="gecko" class="center">&credit.poweredByGeckoReg;</p>
00:19:49 <hicham> 01:18:55 AM - hicham: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------^
00:22:29 <skeledrew> hmm
00:23:00 <skeledrew> sounds like &credit.poweredByGeckoReg; wasn't found to me
00:24:59 <skeledrew> weird. lxr has nothing
00:25:07 <hicham> i just tried that
00:25:19 <hicham> do you have &credit.poweredByGecko ?
00:28:35 <skeledrew> it's in my DTD
00:31:06 <skeledrew> but yours is looking for credit.poweredByGeckoReg , while mine has credit.poweredByGecko in both places: xhmtl and dtd
00:31:25 <skeledrew> ensure there're both the same
00:31:39 <skeledrew> <!ENTITY credit.poweredByGecko "Powered by Gecko&trade; and libpurple">
00:31:55 <skeledrew> **they're
00:32:09 <hicham> i changed credit.poweredByGecko to credit.poweredByGeckoReg because i have credit.poweredByGeckoReg in my dtd
00:32:27 <skeledrew> k
00:32:47 <skeledrew> and you repackaged everything as it was?
00:32:58 <hicham> yes
00:33:11 <hicham> i build everything from source
00:33:15 <skeledrew> restarted?
00:33:19 <hicham> of course
00:33:44 <hicham> you don't have a tray yet ?
00:33:56 <skeledrew> nope
00:34:37 <clokep> skeledrew: I'll try MinTrayR eventually...
00:34:37 <hicham> what is missing in minimize to tray ?
00:34:42 <clokep> Been a rather crazy day for me at work.
00:34:50 <hicham> hi clokep
00:34:55 <skeledrew> well i do have an app that adds extra options (incl min to tray) to all my windows...
00:35:08 <skeledrew> clokep: k
00:36:32 <skeledrew> hicham: credit.poweredByGecko only shows up in the credits files. nowhere else. no idea what's going on
00:37:01 <hicham> thanks skeledrew , it is a change in upstream xulrunner
00:37:13 <skeledrew> oh?
00:37:15 <hicham> i am using 1.9.3 as i said earlier
00:38:01 <skeledrew> k
01:09:48 * clokep can't decide between Google Code and BitBucket...
01:10:24 <hicham> clokep : use mozilla scm
01:11:00 <clokep> hicham: Hm? mozdev?
01:13:56 <clokep> You just mean use the mozilla build environment and stuff? But I still need somewhere to store my code. ;)
01:15:03 <hicham> clokep : i mean ask mozilla for some space
01:15:24 <clokep> Uh, why would they give me space for an Instantbird add-on? Haha. :P
01:15:26 <hicham> if you are developing a gecko based project
01:15:27 <clokep> Plus I don't think they do that.
01:15:46 <hicham> what addon are you thinking of ?
01:16:01 <clokep> What? My Vertical Tabs extension.
01:16:21 <hicham> great
01:16:25 <hicham> is it ready ?
01:16:45 <clokep> No.
01:23:19 * clokep why is the same code giving me different results...
01:25:38 <hicham> clokep : can i test the code ?
01:25:53 <clokep> I'm trying to get it working again first. :)
01:26:03 <hicham> ok
01:26:14 <hicham> i ve seen firefox 4 reached beta2
01:26:21 <clokep> No.
01:26:23 <clokep> It reached beta 1.
01:26:39 <hicham> there is beta 2 in trunk
01:27:42 <clokep> Its beta2 pre.
01:35:12 <hicham> i think the new xpcom registration has landed then
01:36:18 <clokep> No.
01:36:23 <clokep> Its landing tomorrow from what I've heard.
01:36:34 <clokep> Well actually it might have landed /today/ but its not in the latest nightly.
01:37:46 <hicham> that will definitely break a lot of stuff
01:38:04 <hicham> do you use xulexplorer for development ?
01:38:10 <clokep> No.
01:38:26 <clokep> I use Notepad++ or Komodo Edit.
01:38:40 <hicham> it is a neat ide to preview the xul ui
01:39:34 <clokep> It is.
01:39:37 <clokep> I don't write much XUL though.
01:41:06 <hicham> is komodo edit more powerful than notepad++ ?
01:41:33 <skeledrew> hicham: Komodo is an IDE
01:42:01 <skeledrew> NPP is a text editor with extra bells and whistles
01:42:04 <clokep> skeledrew: Komodo /Edit/ is not an IDE. Komodo is an IDE.
01:42:29 <clokep> hicham: Komodo Edit has some nice features for working in XUL/JS like real auto-complete. :)
01:42:40 <skeledrew> i read KE is just cut down a bit from KIDE
01:42:54 <hicham> and it is opensource
01:42:59 <clokep> It is, but its /not/ an IDE.
01:43:01 <clokep> hicham: Yes.
01:43:09 <skeledrew> Mozilla based :)
01:43:11 <clokep> I don't really use no OS stuff, except Office.
01:43:20 <skeledrew> k
01:45:13 <clokep> I like Komodo Edit...but it definitely uses more RAM. :( Which is kind of annoying.
01:45:29 <clokep> Cause...it's like running 6 xulrunner apps at once...and xulrunner tends to be kind of heavey.
01:45:56 <hicham> xulrunner is heavy of course
01:46:25 <hicham> instantbird takes 26MB in here
01:47:08 <clokep> Yup.
01:48:20 <hicham> but it is less than chatzilla
01:48:30 <hicham> chatzilla takes 40MB+ in here
01:49:22 <clokep> Wow. That's a lot.
01:50:05 <hicham> yeah, xulrunner is great, but it takes a lot of resources
01:51:03 <hicham> I am trying openkomodo
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02:31:23 * clokep is not going to have time to upload his code tonight.
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08:35:05 <flo> Good morning :)
08:43:05 <Mic> hi
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11:06:38 <hicham> morning flo
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11:23:55 <hicham> hi skeledrew
11:24:09 <skeledrew> morning
11:24:24 <hicham> morning
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12:36:26 <skeledrew> hmm. if there isn't one already, i think a hotkey needs to be assigned to activate the tablist button
12:37:47 * flo would like to make the keyboard navigation between conversation tab and windows similar to how the Terminal.app works on Mac OS X
12:37:55 <skeledrew> one should be able to use IB without even thinking there's a mouse, and just as efficiently
12:38:51 * skeledrew has never been within a mile of a Mac system
12:39:53 <hicham> flo : the credits.dtd have maybe changed
12:40:19 <Mic> skeledrew: would that make such a big difference?
12:41:39 <hicham> Error: smoothDisplay is not defined
12:41:39 <hicham> Source File: chrome://instantbird/content/conv.html
12:41:39 <hicham> Line: 1
12:43:00 * flo looks forward to removing all that crappy JS code used to do animations
12:43:09 <flo> CSS transitions :)
12:43:43 <hicham> flo : ok, i am gonna try to remove it
12:44:01 <flo> replace it by something that has the same effect ;)
12:44:15 <hicham> flo : and firefox 4 goes beta
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12:50:01 <skeledrew> Mic: with my config, yes. i use the CoolPreviews addon in FF, and an app that enables me to scroll inactive windows with the mouse wheel. so i usually browse by hovering over links to pop a CP window, and moving the mouse from it causes it to close. basically i need to keep the mouse confined to FF's window space. i keep IB activated for keyboard use.
12:50:02 <skeledrew> in all, i browse AND IM alot faster
12:52:08 <skeledrew> oh yeah. and my system (which is taxed for resources) complains much less
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12:53:14 <Mic> flo: I compiled Ib with js-proto support (at least I think I did;)
12:53:36 <skeledrew> Mic: check my prev message
12:54:28 <Mic> Is there a quick way to tell if I managed to build the right thing?
12:55:17 <Mic> I meant: is there a difference between cycling the windows with ctrl+tab (tab, tab, tab ..;) or the arrow keys?
12:55:47 <Mic> You'll have to go through the list one by one anyways or are there accesskeys on the alltabs menu?
12:56:05 <Mic> ah, there are
12:56:29 <Mic> gtg
12:56:32 <Mic> Have a nice day
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13:14:42 <deOmega> good day...  I tend to agree with the comment on the blog about the way Ib looks on MAc.   I may have to get a mac :)
13:20:09 <flo> the comment saying we should add a gradient to look more native?
13:20:55 <deOmega> ah, no.. the one that  is admiring the appearance on the mac over the appearance on  WIndows.
13:21:55 <deOmega> I suppose windows 7 is an improvement though, but MAc style really looks so clean
13:23:26 <deOmega> I would actually buy a mac, if I did not have so many programs that are only for windows.  
13:26:50 <deOmega> I have no idea what the other poster was saying about gradient
13:27:07 <deOmega> and that is ok :)
13:27:31 <flo> he was saying that are titlebar looks flat, and that to look truly native it should have a gradient drawn by the OS
13:28:37 <deOmega> ah!  And here I am thinking that  products should give the option to not be  native.
13:29:41 <flo> (he is right. It would look better ;))
13:30:07 <deOmega> Okay
13:33:27 <deOmega> I suppose  my bias is windows based.    what does it mean when you make a comment in   bracket.. does it suggest a whisper, or a thought?
13:34:25 <flo> a whisper, a side-topic, ... :)
13:34:29 <skeledrew> more like a comment under your breath
13:35:26 <deOmega> ah.  as in real writing :).
13:36:33 <deOmega> Sometimes  i  find myself  expecting  gaps  because of  job related jargon
13:38:06 <deOmega> *thinking  too much
13:38:41 <deOmega> I assumed it was a habit from coding or something :)
13:39:04 <skeledrew> nah
13:39:14 <skeledrew> it's a chatroom thing
13:39:42 <flo> deOmega: oh, you would like us to have secret cryptic ways of talking, like in a private society? :)
13:39:57 <skeledrew> gives more expression since we can't see each other and various reactions
13:40:08 <deOmega> actually,  in my eyes, you already do
13:40:10 <skeledrew> flo: don't we?
13:40:18 <deOmega> most of what is said goes over my head
13:40:27 <skeledrew> flo: see?
13:40:37 <skeledrew> it's all in the jargon
13:41:15 <flo> hmm, anything we can do to look more "human"?
13:41:27 <skeledrew> there's lots of stuff said i don't understand myself, but then there's stuff i say that many don't understand too
13:41:30 <deOmega> I swear, if you typed in here 'I would like pizza'... i would not  truly believe you meant food.
13:41:42 <flo> ahah :)
13:41:44 <skeledrew> lol
13:41:57 <flo> I would like a big glass of water
13:42:28 <skeledrew> deOmega: if you REALLY want your head twisted, check out an INTJ channel
13:42:34 <deOmega> and there my mind would go... hmm,  i wonder if that is something that would make IB run smoother?
13:42:51 <skeledrew> (and i know you prob don't know what INTJ is :))
13:43:01 <flo> or some air conditioning in the office
13:43:05 <deOmega> lol.. no
13:43:10 <deOmega> skeledrew: 
13:43:47 <skeledrew> nor would saying i'm a promethean...
13:44:09 <skeledrew> unless you did mythology or psychology...
13:44:27 <deOmega> skeledrew: That adobe file you gave me on mozilla  something of the other..  I  scanned through that and  honestly.. laughed  through it
13:44:41 <skeledrew> why?
13:44:53 <skeledrew> it's outdated, but it should give the basics
13:45:24 <deOmega> lol.. no..  for it it was all french.. and i do not speak french
13:45:41 <skeledrew> REALLY???
13:45:46 <skeledrew> wow
13:45:46 <skeledrew> k
13:45:56 <skeledrew> i can delete my copy then
13:45:59 <deOmega> well..  I do speak a little..and speak it  better if i had abeer.. when i used to  drink  a beer anyway :)
13:46:16 <skeledrew> i have it in CHM format, fully English
13:46:23 <deOmega> No, please
13:46:26 <deOmega> let me clarify
13:46:30 <skeledrew> k...
13:46:41 <deOmega> i mean it is  beyond mycomprehension at this stage
13:46:59 <skeledrew> ohhh
13:47:14 <skeledrew> there went a bit of misunderstanding...
13:47:23 <deOmega> lol
13:47:48 <skeledrew> have you done any programming at all?
13:47:55 <skeledrew> *ever done
13:48:08 <flo> of course, if you say "it's in french" when you mean it's not understandable, it doesn't convey the expected meaning for the people here who are native french speaker ;)
13:48:36 <skeledrew> flo: that's exactly what i took into consideration
13:49:06 <deOmega> Yes, i  realized that after i said it.. i was gonna say  greek,  :)
13:49:14 <deOmega> no, never did any programming
13:49:24 <flo> by the way, my question about how we can appear to be more human was real. :)
13:49:55 <skeledrew> not sure why now, come to think of it, since Mozilla isn't related to IB's developer ;)
13:50:00 <flo> we want to have some feedback from the users, so we shouldn't appear like a strange group of geeks.
13:50:22 <skeledrew> flo: aren't we?
13:50:27 <skeledrew> as programmers?
13:50:32 <flo> it's all in the appearance ;)
13:50:38 <skeledrew> true
13:51:03 <skeledrew> use less jargon and more natural speak
13:51:24 <flo> but it's natural to use technical words when talking to someone who understands them ;)
13:51:53 <skeledrew> we tend to use terms, acronyms, etc assuming our audience understands
13:51:59 <skeledrew> i know i do it alot
13:52:03 <flo> but if I want to be really natural, I guess I should speak in French :-P
13:52:25 <skeledrew> and then find it hard to break down when the give the puzzled look
13:52:54 <skeledrew> flo: even though i like the language and want to learn it better, no thanks
13:52:57 <skeledrew> :)
13:53:14 <flo> heh
13:55:50 <skeledrew> i think we should really consider our audience, esp here on a channel, when we speak. up till this point i don't know what js-proto is. difference with myself and most others is that i'm willing and prepared to run to Google. many others aren't
13:55:56 <deOmega> flo: I think you  are just fine.  You see, i am looking into  a window where you guys communicate points to each other, and so... one should expect tech speak, so you can easily move back and forth more efficiently.   When i need clarification,  you guys give it quickly without  hesitation.
13:56:33 <skeledrew> deOmega: we try
13:56:54 <skeledrew> after all, we're a growing, learning community
13:57:45 <deOmega> I truly appreciate it
13:59:10 <flo> skeledrew: js-proto is a branch on our code repository where I've started to develop a feature of Instantbird 0.3: protocol plugins implementables in JavaScript.
14:00:30 <skeledrew> flo: i thought as much. that's why i didn't get to googling it yet :)
14:01:07 <flo> I explained because I'm not sure google would have interesting results
14:01:21 <deOmega> It is not so much  the unwillingness to google what is unknown... but is a sentence structure is  filled with  unknowns,  one may tent to go.. bah..  they are not speaking to me..... yesterday  had some very  good conversations when you guys were simply referring to Tabs etc in plain english... then once you got to the details of doing it.. which you needed to....  i smiled
14:01:51 <skeledrew> flo: i think we should have a glossary-like addition to the wiki. esp for the more IB specific terms. then link it right in the channel's topic :)
14:02:52 <skeledrew> deOmega: ah. yes. we all get lost at times. but it's like you said, all you need to do is ask for clarification
14:03:10 <flo> what about an add-on fetching a list of acronyms, and adding HTML acronym tags when one is detected?
14:03:35 <skeledrew> deOmega: we'll either explain it or give you a link, or something...
14:03:52 <flo> I think that would be very useful for lol, scnr, iirc, otoh, brb, ...
14:04:03 <deOmega> well, IB has apretty nice feature that it   got from   firefox.. u can search any word almost directly
14:04:24 <deOmega> one day i may have to search an entire sentence :)
14:04:26 <flo> those are really hard to non-native english speakers to understand the first time they are encountered
14:05:22 <skeledrew> flo: not everyone on the IB channel is using IB (i think). also, i want to include general site content. good idea though :)
14:05:43 <flo> I would be interesting to know why.
14:06:02 <flo> if I could make it the best IRC client, that would be nice ;)
14:06:32 <deOmega> there are abbreviations for beginners across the web, and i must say, in my opinion, I think it is ok that the common dialog abbreviations give folks to talk about in discovering them
14:06:45 <deOmega> so i would  say  maybe no  work needs to bedone on those
14:06:46 <skeledrew> flo: oh yeah. whats scnr, iirc and otoh?
14:06:48 * skeledrew wonders if he's a native English speaker...
14:07:31 <flo> sorry could not resist
14:07:40 * hicham is building xulrunner-2.0b2pre
14:07:40 <flo> if I remember correctly
14:07:50 <flo> on the other hand
14:08:23 <hicham> skeledrew : are you native english speaker ?
14:08:32 <skeledrew> flo: so what are the requirements for the status of "best IRC client"?
14:08:42 <skeledrew> hicham: i think so :)
14:08:49 <flo> people who know it exists don't want to use something else
14:09:11 <hicham> flo : how do you plan to add audio/video support ?
14:09:19 <hicham> i mean using what ?
14:09:22 <hicham> gstreamer ?
14:09:26 <hicham> directshow ?
14:09:35 <hicham> ...
14:09:39 <skeledrew> flo: there're those who just would like to see if the grass's green on the other side
14:10:18 <flo> let's make it greener here ;)
14:10:30 <hicham> flo : right click commands support is planned ?
14:10:31 <skeledrew> and there're those who switch because they found some irritant they couldn't ingnore in something that was otherwise great (like me from Pidgin)
14:10:43 <flo> what about putting some grass in the status bar?
14:10:44 <skeledrew> *ignore
14:10:52 <skeledrew> lol
14:11:06 <hicham> i think pidgin is ugly compared to ib
14:11:10 <deOmega> I am not using  IB for al of my IRC chatsas yet, because I  want to log IM's, but do not want to log irc chats.  Some of the rooms i am in  get some crazy callers coming in and just do not want  much of that garbage on my pc.
14:11:23 <skeledrew> i don't watch looks. i watch functionality
14:11:45 <deOmega> 2.  i need ...hmm.. actually, discussed all of this before  sorry
14:11:50 <hicham> looks are important
14:12:10 <skeledrew> hicham: usability
14:12:22 <skeledrew> most important
14:12:50 <deOmega> 9:11:25 AM - skeledrew: i don't watch looks. i watch functionality (deomage makes note of this as evidence against you  on your next date)... if you are not married
14:13:16 <hicham> skeledrew : ib is lacking some functionalities compared to others IMs and I like it
14:13:18 <skeledrew> deOmega: lol
14:13:21 <flo> skeledrew: look is part of usability
14:13:24 <skeledrew> well looks do count there
14:13:58 * hicham thinks that flo is ignoring him
14:14:05 <skeledrew> deOmega: but functionality (personality, etc) even more so
14:14:29 <flo> hicham: ah?
14:14:30 <deOmega> :).. i agree
14:15:00 <flo> our plan for voice and video will be clear once it's implemented and works.
14:15:01 <skeledrew> flo: yes. it's good having a nice interface. but it's not the most important
14:15:34 <skeledrew> if i got all the functionality i need in a black box, i'm ok...
14:15:47 <hicham> skeledrew : use irssi then
14:16:36 <skeledrew> flo: is what hicham just did ligal on this channel? :P
14:16:42 <skeledrew> *legal
14:16:58 <flo> what?
14:17:29 <skeledrew> he suggested an alternative IM :D
14:17:54 * skeledrew is googling irssi
14:18:27 <hicham> skeledrew : irssi is an irc client, not a multiprotocol im :)
14:18:41 <hicham> it is famous in linux world
14:19:08 <skeledrew> hicham: oh. not interested. lacking WAY TOO MUCH functionality :P
14:19:50 <hicham> skeledrew : you want a multiprotocol im ?
14:20:00 <skeledrew> sure
14:20:08 <skeledrew> not Trillian
14:20:18 <skeledrew> (though i haven't tried it)
14:21:11 <flo> skeledrew: try Instantbird then ;)
14:21:16 <skeledrew> def not Digsby. it sucks, it's closed source, it doesn't have IRC support and worse IT KEEPS POSTING PROMO INFO TO MY FACEBOOK!
14:21:28 <skeledrew> flo: i already am :)
14:21:40 <flo> skeledrew: and sells your CPU
14:22:08 <skeledrew> Digsby does look nice though. it has that going for it
14:22:23 <skeledrew> i liked the red/black theme
14:22:29 <flo> port it :)
14:23:27 <skeledrew> i don't really know how it's setup, except that Digsby uses PYO files (and they don't give the source :(
14:24:03 <skeledrew> i'd have to find a PYO decompiler or something
14:24:07 <flo> bundling ad-ware inside an open source application doesn't really work, so they can't give the source code ;)
14:24:10 <hicham> i think it is easily to decompile pyo files
14:24:20 <hicham> bytecode is easier to decompile
14:24:27 <skeledrew> flo: true
14:24:52 <skeledrew> hicham: more true (i think)
14:25:14 <skeledrew> always have been interested in learning Python
14:25:34 <hicham> though i only decompiled java bytecode
14:25:39 <skeledrew> curve is a bit steep though
14:25:46 <skeledrew> k
14:27:23 <hicham> python is easier
14:27:59 <skeledrew> not when you already know something that works just as well
14:28:24 <hicham> example ?
14:28:31 <skeledrew> AutoIt3
14:28:43 <skeledrew> been using it for years for automation
14:29:05 <hicham> ah, ok
14:29:11 <hicham> first time i hear of it
14:29:17 <skeledrew> k
14:29:42 <skeledrew> it's a BASIC like language. the only of it's time i still respect
14:29:50 <skeledrew> *type
14:30:43 <hicham> i used VB a little
14:30:58 <skeledrew> and it has nice GUI options (that i don't use)
14:31:08 <skeledrew> i hate VB
14:31:17 <skeledrew> and i've never used it
14:31:46 <deOmega> skeledrew: :).. is that afair statement?
14:31:57 <skeledrew> but its an offspring of QBasic (which i consider to be evil incarnate)
14:32:01 <deOmega> realize i know nothing about what you guys are speaking
14:32:11 <deOmega> ah
14:32:15 <hicham> i have used VB and VC++, that is, on the Windows Platform
14:32:16 <skeledrew> deOmega: lol. programming languages
14:32:30 <hicham> as well as Java ( with Eclipse )
14:32:56 <flo> by the way, the Terms of Service that you have to agree to when getting Digsby include "You will not, and will not permit others to: (i) reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, derive the source code of, modify, or create derivative works from the Software"
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14:33:10 <skeledrew> hicham: i'm interested in Java, but not that much since i don't like VM overheads
14:33:21 <flo> so even if you can decompile some of it, trying to look at the source to port something would not be a great idea.
14:33:33 <skeledrew> flo: oh?
14:33:48 <skeledrew> what about white room reversing?
14:34:02 <skeledrew> *evil laugh*
14:34:31 <flo> by the way does these "Terms of Service" look like something valid in the US?
14:34:38 <hicham> flo : yeah, because you may end up getting a lawsuit
14:35:07 <skeledrew> i really don't subscribe to anything that involves withholding of knowledge i think should be public...
14:35:11 <hicham> flo : even microsoft did that, and get caught
14:35:23 <skeledrew> that's why i'm into OSS so much
14:35:42 <skeledrew> the makers of ReactOS are still doing their thing
14:36:16 <deOmega> off topic: You know.. was thinking last night away from ths computer... that mockup for sidetabs... the ability to have tabs on the side, with buddy icons (that can also me manually assigned).  I Truly believe that that is one of the  features that would create a buzz for IB.   would be unique
14:36:35 <skeledrew> deOmega: yep
14:37:01 <skeledrew> loads of other things that people expect are needed forst though
14:37:09 <skeledrew> *first
14:37:13 <deOmega> indeed
14:37:17 <skeledrew> such as file xfer
14:37:29 <skeledrew> emphasized
14:37:42 <deOmega> I can list  a numbe rof things also
14:37:55 <hicham> tabs on the side like xchat ?
14:38:24 <deOmega> hicham: firefox and mirc has them too
14:38:26 <skeledrew> and i told a friend of mine about IB, but he didn't get across there being no video/audio support
14:38:38 <deOmega> the difference would be  with icons only option
14:39:08 <hicham> pidgin supports audio/video
14:39:15 <skeledrew> really?
14:39:19 <skeledrew> since when
14:39:20 <skeledrew> ?
14:39:34 <hicham> yes, since 2.62 if i recall correctly
14:39:49 <skeledrew> i had to install the Skype plugin for that
14:40:01 <skeledrew> and it still needed the actual app to work
14:40:18 <hicham> of course
14:40:23 <skeledrew> hicham: i have 2.7.1 right now, and i don't see that
14:40:33 <hicham> but audio/video is only supported on jabber IIRC
14:40:41 <skeledrew> ohhh
14:40:43 <flo> skeledrew: only on XMPP *and* Linux.
14:40:44 <skeledrew> i see
14:40:52 <skeledrew> k
14:41:02 <deOmega> Opinion:  I  really believe that a presentable  client,  though lacking some functions, would be used and appreciated, as long as there is indication of active development
14:41:09 <hicham> flo : can that be easily ported to IB ?
14:41:23 <flo> hicham: what?
14:41:47 <hicham> flo : the audio/video support in pidgin ...
14:41:57 <flo> we just said it's only on XMPP and Linux.
14:42:03 <flo> we support Windows and Mac OS X.
14:42:26 <hicham> so you don't support linux officially ?
14:42:51 <flo> not what I said.
14:43:02 <skeledrew> hicham: maybe we can get enough addons out till the features can be implemented as base. but then, we don't have the man power...
14:43:03 <skeledrew> deOmega: yeah. but the basics still have to be there
14:43:08 <hicham> ah, ok, I misunderstood
14:43:22 <deOmega> active development with  reasonably frequent updates, is like keeping the carrot dangling ahead of the horse.... I know of a number of products  that did that  with success.. Digsby is one
14:43:44 <flo> yeah, we need more blahblah on the blog ;)
14:44:10 <deOmega> Yup .. well said :)
14:44:53 <deOmega> I remember being exposed to a software a few years ago...
14:44:58 <skeledrew> one of the things i though of the fist day here was getting this on PortableApps. but then i think it's just a bit too young...
14:45:24 <skeledrew> we need more contributors
14:45:36 <deOmega> and the friend told me..  it  does not have all you want as yet, but they  update almost every week, so  you will likely get what u want sooner than later.... sad but it worked on me  :)
14:45:41 <skeledrew> mainly devers
14:46:04 <skeledrew> deOmega: hmm
14:46:08 <deOmega> you then get comfortable with teh program
14:46:27 <flo> deOmega: I think we already have a few addictive features ;)
14:47:16 <skeledrew> flo: the Mozilla/libpurple combo is a pretty potent one
14:47:41 <deOmega> flo: I  agree
14:48:31 <skeledrew> people who know Mozilla's extensibility will be drawn to IB's potential (like me)
14:48:37 <deOmega> flo: I asked this question I think.. but is there a reason , for example.. wgen i am logged into irc.mozilla, it does not show upon my  buddy list?
14:48:47 <hicham> flo : the xpcom new registration has landed in mozilla central ?
14:48:59 <skeledrew> deOmega: it's a "feature"
14:49:01 <flo> skeledrew: I think these people were the target audience of the 0.1* series
14:49:08 <skeledrew> asked the very thing the first day
14:49:31 <flo> first day of what?
14:49:43 <skeledrew> flo: being here on the channel
14:49:59 <skeledrew> what are the various means being used to promote IB?
14:50:28 <flo> we post on the blog (syndicated to planet.mozilla.org) and on freshmeat.
14:50:34 <flo> if you have more ideas, they are welcome :)
14:50:35 <deOmega> skeledrew: what do you mean  by it being a feature?
14:51:28 <skeledrew> cuz i found it by chance on Pidgin, searching for an alternative IM using libpurple (so i didn't have to reimplement it in C#)
14:51:34 <skeledrew> deOmega: ask flo
14:52:05 <skeledrew> he said IRC's aren't considered buddies or something to that effect
14:52:27 <deOmega> ok
14:52:56 <flo> skeledrew: so you found us from http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/WhatIsLibpurple ?
14:52:57 <deOmega> Godo enough or me
14:53:35 <skeledrew> flo: yep
14:53:44 <skeledrew> deOmega: i still want it
14:53:54 <skeledrew> it's on my wish list
14:55:13 <deOmega> I like how Trillian astra does not conform to the Windows native thingamajiggy... but otherwise I do not like it
14:55:55 <hicham> Trillian is huge resources hog
14:56:19 <skeledrew> flo: i also saw it on Mozilla somewhere the other day. problem is, these are sites primarily for devs and power users. i think PortableApps is a good place that'll give even more publicity to a broader audience
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14:57:46 <deOmega> I think that when Ib  has arrived, all it will take is a mention on  Lifehacker and exposure issues solved :)
14:58:05 <deOmega> They did a very early one, but..  was too early imo
14:58:09 <skeledrew> deOmega: there's another possibility
14:58:18 <skeledrew> k
14:58:47 <skeledrew> get it on filehippo too
14:58:56 <deOmega> also... simply digg it...those two alone would flood it  when  IB is ready
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14:59:17 <skeledrew> deOmega: yeah. emphasis on when it's ready
14:59:33 <flo> ready for what?
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14:59:37 <flo> That's a hard question ;).
14:59:40 <deOmega> yeah, u kinda do not want  to  tout it   to meet disappointed eyes
15:00:06 <skeledrew> core features of the more popular IMs need to be implemented and bug-free
15:00:38 <deOmega> key would be core, because i really likewhat  Flo wrote the other day
15:00:47 <deOmega> this shoud not come across as  ANOTHER messenger
15:00:59 <deOmega> err.. just another messenger
15:02:30 <skeledrew> people need to know that they have something that meets their expectations of a generic IM (the cake) and just have to wait for/find/easily create their own eddons that give them whatever extra features they may desire (the icing)
15:02:50 <deOmega> makes sense
15:03:53 <deOmega> But what I want rotflol.. is on the big launch.. people  see an image of side tabs with buddy icons
15:04:04 <skeledrew> maybe a feedback system could be incorporated so people can suggest features they'd like. from withing IB :)
15:04:22 <skeledrew> like the crash reporter
15:04:32 <deOmega> Good point
15:04:35 <skeledrew> deOmega: that'd def grab eyes
15:05:49 <deOmega> Lots of free time this morning, so ignore my ramblings
15:05:52 <skeledrew> the system'd have to be properly designed though, else the destination could get crowded pretty quickly...
15:06:03 <skeledrew> lol
15:06:30 <flo> I'd like us to have an ideatorrent setup
15:06:32 <skeledrew> what you see as ramblings can be gospel to others at times
15:06:43 <skeledrew> flo: ?
15:06:59 <flo> http://www.google.fr/search?q=ideatorrent
15:07:13 <skeledrew> just did :)
15:07:24 <skeledrew> and that's the Frech version...
15:07:50 <skeledrew> *French
15:07:54 <skeledrew> i like it!
15:11:11 <deOmega> I need to repost these for hicham when he  gets back in
15:11:29 <skeledrew> was thinking of more having the suggest feature incorporated directly into the IB help system or somewhere else suitable though
15:11:58 <deOmega> http://www.rpi.edu/~clokep/ib/vertical-tabs-winstripe.png
15:12:05 <deOmega> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7558/caccolafirefox4mockupi0.png
15:12:10 <deOmega> those two
15:12:52 <deOmega> meant to earlier but could not find them :(
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15:16:11 <deOmega> lol
15:16:42 <skeledrew> serious issues...
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15:26:59 * skeledrew is editing Brainstorm:smileythemes
15:28:05 <hicham> i guess i should add more ram
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15:28:14 <hicham> i can't seem to build xulrunner
15:33:11 <deOmega> hicham: hi
15:33:20 <deOmega> this is what i was referring to with side tabs
15:33:24 <flo> skeledrew: you know that was were we put ideas *before* adding the smiley theme system?
15:33:42 <deOmega> hicham:  http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7558/caccolafirefox4mockupi0.png
15:34:01 <skeledrew> flo: ?
15:34:15 <deOmega> and this is what clokep has thus far:   http://www.rpi.edu/~clokep/ib/vertical-tabs-winstripe.png
15:34:19 <flo> we already have a smiley theme format, now ;)
15:34:44 <skeledrew> the JSON?
15:34:48 <flo> the JSON format we use is extensible
15:34:59 <flo> you can stick whatever additional info you want in it
15:35:25 <skeledrew> just noting that it really should make smileys protocol specific
15:35:37 <flo> no.
15:35:50 <flo> and we discussed that yesterday or before. I told you how you can handle that in an add-on.
15:36:13 <skeledrew> ok
15:36:15 <flo> time to go home :)
15:36:27 <skeledrew> k
15:36:43 <flo> (if you want proto specific (or whatever specific) smileys, you add a theme per specific situation, and an add-on that switch between them)
15:36:58 <flo> back later :)
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15:37:27 <skeledrew> flo: that would pretty much kill usage of other themes...
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15:48:00 * hicham loves papersheets
15:48:17 * skeledrew too
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16:13:06 <clokep_work> flo: Its good to observe the audience, but when discussing something with other people technical jargon is good, it allows for efficient conversation. Its like engineering. :p Besides we don't have many users here? People should always feel free to ask. :)
16:14:20 <clokep_work> I don't use Instantbird at work, I use mibbit since HTTP access is unrestricted, can't connect over IRC ports.
16:14:24 * clokep_work just reading the logs...
16:16:09 * deOmega waits for more
16:18:13 <clokep_work> flo: Yes those terms of service look OK in the US. I believe they're legal since the user can choose to cancel. :)
16:18:50 <skeledrew> clokep_work: maybe i'll have my imaginary cat push the accept button...
16:18:57 <hicham> i can't launch firefox-4.0b2 !
16:19:11 <skeledrew> FF4?
16:19:13 <skeledrew> hmm
16:19:19 <skeledrew> gotta check that out
16:19:47 <clokep_work> Do people really use video/vocie that much in IM clients? SUre I use Skype, but the other protocols just suck at it.
16:19:58 <clokep_work> Fx4.0b1 is either out or in RC skeledrew.
16:20:19 <skeledrew> clokep_work: seems it's the fad nowadays
16:20:45 <deOmega> clokep_work: I agree 100%.  I do not see it as being that essential  at the getgo, but that is my perspective dealing with my contacts.
16:20:48 <skeledrew> whatever's happening to regular keyboard chatting...
16:22:20 * clokep_work dislikes sites like filehippo.
16:22:27 <clokep_work> I think I found out about Instantbird from LifeHacker actually?
16:22:33 <clokep_work> Either that or the "powered by MOzilla" stuff.
16:22:42 <hicham> Error launching browser window:no XBL binding for browser
16:22:49 <clokep_work> Although I remember reading flo's GSoC entry for Pidgin and was disappointed when it didn't get picked. :P
16:23:53 <clokep_work> hicham: Sounds like XPCOm alnded. :(
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16:24:53 <clokep_work> deOmega: Tried to upload my extensions to AIO this morning but it rejected it saying a file was formatting wrong, but its not...so...not sure what's up. :)
16:26:10 <deOmega> clokep_work: ah, so it is  ready to be  used.... feel free to email it rotflol
16:26:23 <deOmega> I know i  seem impatient ...  i will let u work that out :)
16:26:34 <clokep_work> deOmega: Its not "ready" to be used, but its "usable" if that make sense?
16:26:42 <deOmega> yes
16:27:02 <clokep_work> :)
16:27:06 <clokep_work> Hopefully tonight.
16:27:23 <deOmega> awesome... early christmas present
16:27:41 <clokep_work> I also need to figure out how to properly apply themes. :-\
16:29:45 <skeledrew> clokep_work: what's wrong with filehippo?
16:29:57 <clokep_work> Just the concept of it doesn't make snse to me.
16:30:04 <skeledrew> ?
16:30:06 <clokep_work> And I feel like I'm going to get viruses downloading from it.
16:30:15 <skeledrew> i never have
16:30:28 <skeledrew> and it integrates nicely with Ketarin
16:30:35 <clokep_work> I'm not saying you will, I'm saying it feels that way.
16:30:40 <clokep_work> I don't know what Ketarin is.
16:30:47 <clokep_work> Besides I always download from official sites.
16:32:12 <skeledrew> Ketarin is an open source app updater done in C#. you set it up to track web pages for certain changes (dates, versions, etc) and it downloads your updates for you
16:33:05 <clokep_work> Weird.
16:33:15 <clokep_work> Sounds like aptitude but not as good. ;)
16:33:30 <skeledrew> i guess you can compare it to Ubuntu's software centre or something
16:33:37 <skeledrew> yeah
16:34:07 <skeledrew> i hated having to install the .NET framework
16:34:18 <skeledrew> and just for it too
16:34:28 <clokep_work> Why? The .NET framework is fine. Ihave all versions of it installed.
16:34:46 <skeledrew> it's not portable
16:34:51 <skeledrew> and it's heavy
16:35:08 <clokep_work> My laptop is portable and not heavy. :)
16:35:11 <skeledrew> and it doesn't gel well with my system sumetimes
16:35:23 <clokep_work> Gotcha.
16:35:27 <skeledrew> my desktop isn't :(
16:36:16 <skeledrew> unfortunately, my job requires that i know C#
16:36:23 <skeledrew> hence .NET
16:36:55 <skeledrew> and worse a .NET toolkit Devexpress...
16:37:27 <skeledrew> so none of that knowledge is directly transferrable to other projects i'm interested in
16:39:41 <clokep_work> :(
16:42:18 <skeledrew> makes the job somewhat demoralizing...
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16:43:02 <clokep_work> If it makes you feel better I write in MATLAB, which is a combination of C and BASIC with a bunch of math functions thrown in. ;)
16:43:39 <hicham1> instantbird is working fine with xulrunner-2.0b2pre
16:44:28 <hicham1> :)
16:47:34 <skeledrew> clokep_work: sounds like a nightmare
16:47:56 <skeledrew> hicham1: good
16:49:23 <hicham1> skeledrew : http://img708.imageshack.us/i/screenshotuzc.png/
16:50:01 <clokep_work> hicham1: Now to add some gecko-2 features to it? ;)
16:53:06 <skeledrew> hicham1: nice. i didn't know Fedora and Ubuntu looked so much alike
16:53:31 <skeledrew> hicham1: you got a pretty wide screen though
16:54:26 <clokep_work> skeledrew: Well they're both Gnome, aren't they?
16:54:59 <skeledrew> oh. didn't know
16:55:58 <hicham1> clokep_work : maybe the new xpcom registration haven't landed yet
16:56:39 * clokep_work was about to check that...
16:57:43 <clokep_work> hicham: Doesn't seem like it. Another patch came in yesterday for it.
16:58:31 <hicham1> clokep_work : maybe it is backward compatible
16:59:21 <clokep_work> hcicham1: I don't think so. I remember them talking about making a 'breaking' change. But who knows...we'll figure it out by the end of next week I'd say.
17:00:33 <hicham1> clokep_work : can they break the api past the beta ?
17:00:51 <clokep_work> hicham1: They can do whatever they want.
17:01:08 <clokep_work> But, I'm not sure.
17:01:21 <clokep_work> I think they want to land it between beta 1 and beta 2?
17:01:39 <hicham1> this is b2pre
17:01:53 <skeledrew> wow
17:01:59 <skeledrew> looking at my drive
17:02:12 <skeledrew> i have exactly 0B free...
17:02:22 <hicham1> very expected
17:02:31 <skeledrew> and i'm still running
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17:05:26 <hicham> maybe i should dive into firetray and instantbird code to add status info to tray
17:05:38 <skeledrew> hicham: :)
17:06:19 <hicham> skeledrew : do you think that is a good feature ?
17:06:41 <skeledrew> i'd say it's a requirement
17:07:09 <skeledrew> having a tray menu with standard commands ie
17:08:28 <hicham> I guess it won't be very difficult
17:08:59 <hicham> there is already commands for mail, ie in thunderbird and seamonkey trays
17:09:14 <skeledrew> how can Mozilla not have included tray support all this time i can't understand
17:09:33 <hicham> because it is platform dependant
17:09:48 <clokep_work> skeledrew: No developer was interested it adding it from Prism to toolkit, that's how. :)
17:09:50 <skeledrew> then use #ifels
17:09:51 <hicham> but i guess that is not a valid excuse
17:10:13 <skeledrew> clokep_work: from Prism?
17:10:33 <skeledrew> Prism has tray support???
17:10:33 <clokep_work> skeledrew: Or he could just use a different overlay for different applications, which is built into XULRunner. ;)
17:10:41 <clokep_work> skeledrew: I believe so.
17:10:54 <clokep_work> Have you not looked at the bug I've pointed to about tray support? :P
17:11:12 <skeledrew> i haven't looked at any bugs at all...
17:11:30 <hicham> MinimizeToTray works for all mozilla apps on windows ?
17:11:39 * clokep_work looking for a bug...
17:12:03 <clokep_work> hicham: It has always worked for me (the newer version, not the original), but according to skeledrew it works sporadically. :shrugs: Didn't get another chance to try alst night.
17:12:20 <skeledrew> well, gtg work...
17:12:27 <skeledrew> yeah
17:12:33 <clokep_work> Bye.
17:12:40 <clokep_work> hicham: This was just said in #maildev: "Callek  notes the Component Registration changes are landing within 1 day it seems"
17:12:42 <skeledrew> i'll try it again from a Vista
17:13:01 <skeledrew> ttyl
17:13:07 <clokep_work> skeledrew: Tray Icon support: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325353
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17:49:02 <clokep_work> hicham: Overheard in #maildev again ;) "Callek: heads up, bsmedberg hopes to close tree in about an hour and land the breakage" that sounds like the XPCOM landing.
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18:06:41 <flo> clokep_work: about voice and video: it seems that it isn't used all that much, but that it's a thing people (who believe they need it) want to have around, because it's very frustrating to not be able to use it when it would be enjoyable.
18:06:45 <clokep_work> Good afternoon flo. Gotta a question for you. :)
18:06:55 <flo> how come you read my SOC application?
18:07:03 <clokep_work> flo: I agree. Its the "holy grail" but no one uses it.
18:07:29 <clokep_work> flo: They're all available on Google's SoC website. I've occasionally read the ones for Mozilla & Pidgin, etc.
18:07:37 <clokep_work> Well not the "application", but the "idea" portion of it?
18:07:52 <flo> ah, I didn't know the rejected ones were
18:08:20 <clokep_work> Not sure if they are /after/ they decide, but I think they're all available beforehand?
18:08:39 <clokep_work> So...this morning, AIO told me that my install.rdf was malformed xml. I'm 90% its not. :)
18:12:12 <flo> that's sad. :(
18:14:09 <flo> hicham: the change of version number from 1.9.3 and 2.0 means that they are going to break APIs that have been frozen for a very long time. (Mozilla 1.* APIs)
18:15:13 <clokep_work> Yeah, wanted to put up my vertical tabs stuff, which is looking pretty good now. :)
18:18:00 <flo> if the addon installs itself successfully, install.rdf is probably well formed
18:19:44 <clokep_work> That was my assumption too. :(
18:19:54 <clokep_work> Also my text editor highlights correctly, so its most like OK.
18:20:07 <clokep_work> I think it was actually giving a "mis-matched" tag error?
18:20:23 <flo> was there anything helpful in the error message?
18:20:33 <flo> maybe a maxVersion/minversion that isn't supported?
18:21:10 <clokep_work> flo: Its possible I had a maxVersion that isn't supported...I think I have 0.2.x
18:21:21 <clokep_work> s/x/*
18:38:37 <clokep_work> XPCOM just landed?
18:38:50 * hicham is checking
18:39:04 <clokep_work> Yes: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
18:39:35 <hicham> wow, maybe i should check that
18:44:51 <hicham> i hope they will integrate the download window as a tab
18:45:19 <clokep_work> hicham: Its in the plans I believe.
18:45:44 <clokep_work> I think tab + notification system or something. I don't remember exactly, check the mock ups. ;)
18:45:59 <hicham> ah, yes the notificiation system
18:46:09 <hicham> that is why they had to add tabs on top
18:47:22 <clokep_work> I think its one of the reasons they moved it. Personally I think it makes a lot more sense. :)
18:47:59 <hicham> me too
18:48:15 <hicham> except that it is not possible to hide the menu like in windows
18:48:20 <hicham> and there is no firefox button
18:49:04 <clokep_work> Oh? :(
18:49:06 <clokep_work> Didn't know that.
18:49:40 <hicham> yeah, firefox development is geared towards windows
18:49:45 <hicham> everybody knows that
18:51:07 <hicham> clokep_work : so you guarantee that IB will be broken with the latest patch ?
18:51:21 <clokep_work> Guarantee is a strong word. ;)
18:51:36 <clokep_work> It should be.
18:52:01 * clokep_work feels like we should start putting bugs into bugzilla about this stuff.
18:52:29 <hicham> since it is beta2 now, i think you should
18:52:39 <hicham> to keep up with upstream development
18:54:42 <hicham> clokep_work : your addon is finished ?
18:55:02 <clokep_work> hicham: Its "usable", is anything ever "finished"? ;)
18:55:17 <hicham> i would love to test it then
18:55:37 <clokep_work> I couldn't get it to upload this morning to AIO.
18:56:04 <hicham> AIO ?
18:57:01 <clokep_work> addons.instantbird.org
18:58:26 <clokep_work> I'll try again tonight whenever it is I finally get home.
19:01:34 <clokep_work> Half my extensions are gonna break tonight. :-\
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19:17:10 <Mic> deOmega: maybe I missed it, but why do you like non-native looking applications?
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19:26:57 <deOmega> Mic: Hi
19:28:49 <deOmega> I suppose i never quiute liked teh idea  (once i got to know better) of all the wasted space in  frames that we usually see in wnindows applications
19:29:53 <deOmega> to make sure i am  expressing myself clearly... i like the way  Songbird went away from it... though some feathers give users the option to have native appearance and i realize some people  love it
19:30:25 <deOmega> never had a mac, but certainly prefer the mac frames over windows.. but i prefer neither
19:30:58 <Mic> I consider free space a luxury and somewhere I read that you shouldn't have more than .. 25% (?) covered by UI elements
19:31:02 * skeledrew_work is reading the backlog
19:31:04 <deOmega> lol...  prefer and prefer .. but u get that
19:32:10 <clokep_work> deOmega: What about the Windows "frames" do you not like? I find them to be very minimal (and find the wasted space of Songbird ridiculous).
19:32:30 <Mic> I also think non-default behaviour of a user interface is bad, because this are different than people expect it
19:32:52 <Mic> sorry, this sentence is completely nonsense
19:33:02 <deOmega> Ah...  this is what makes programs that offer customization   so awesome..  the same does not appeal to everyone
19:33:19 <Mic> Once again: I also think non-default behaviour of a user interface is bad, because they are reacting differently than people expect it
19:33:39 <Mic> The few program that do that, actually CAN, because .. 
19:33:47 <Mic> .. most programs don't do it.
19:34:09 <Mic> If every program would have an own way to be used .. computers would be close to usuable imo
19:34:14 <clokep_work> Mic is thinking about winamp. ;)
19:34:52 <clokep_work> I greatly hate programs that don't use the native UI, one of the reasons I stopped using Songbird. (That and the dev team kind of went really dumb all of a sudden, but that's besides the point.)
19:36:09 <deOmega> I find this amazing, though not surprising, that  folks have such  variations in taste
19:36:27 <deOmega> at least i  believe that we understand anc can respect each other's preference
19:36:36 <Mic> sure
19:36:57 <clokep_work> No, I'm telling you that you're wrong. ;)
19:37:14 <deOmega> clokep_work: haha
19:37:24 <Mic> If you like all program different and idiosyncratic behaviour ...
19:37:34 <Mic> ... then get a Linux desktop? :P
19:37:42 <deOmega> Not all
19:37:44 <clokep_work> Mic++
19:39:27 <deOmega> I observe it is time for silence 
19:40:15 <skeledrew_work> hmm. could do with something to automatically reconnect accounts that are kicked due to signing in from another location when the status is no longer unavailable or activity is detected...
19:40:26 <Mic> I'm using Linux everyday, so it's not flaming or bashing, but just black humour to cope with it
19:41:16 <clokep_work> skeledrew_work: But how would that location know you signed off at this location?
19:41:37 <clokep_work> So anyone have a better name for me than "vertical tabs"? ;)
19:41:47 <skeledrew_work> clokep_work: it doesn't
19:42:36 <skeledrew_work> clokep_work: it can just detect a window being scrolled, a tab changed, etc
19:43:19 <clokep_work> skeledrew_work: So how would it sign back in...?
19:44:10 <deOmega> 'side tabs'  or  come up with a totally unrelated name that  just sounds nice.
19:44:39 <skeledrew_work> just activate the function activated by the connect button in accounts
19:44:49 <clokep_work> deOmega: I'm not creative enough for names, my extensions tend to be pretty straightforward naming...
19:45:08 <skeledrew_work> esp if it has the message that the error was caused by logging in from somewhere else...
19:45:29 <clokep_work> skeledrew_work: But that would force you to not be able to sign in anywhere else?
19:45:48 <skeledrew_work> no
19:46:15 <skeledrew_work> it would only activate in the first place when there's activity in that particular IB instance
19:47:08 <deOmega> skeledrew_work: I actually thought side tabs.. but if you  want a name that also reflects the  appearance as opposed to teh tab placement.. I can think on that.. but it may not be  clear to users that do not see an image
19:47:53 <clokep_work> deOmega: When I hear side tabs I don't think of what I made, I think of rotating the tabs to be on the side, but still have them interacting in the same way.
19:47:59 <deOmega> whoops.. that was for clokep
19:48:32 <clokep_work> (I.e. I picture the tabs on the side, and the font going up vertically, just rotating the tabs 90 degrees from where they are.)
19:48:59 <clokep_work> But maybe. :)
19:49:02 <deOmega> hmmm..  makes sense
19:49:27 <clokep_work> VertTabber was already used. ;)
19:49:28 <deOmega> miranda has tabs on teh side with that   configuration.. horizantal
19:49:30 <skeledrew_work> so there're two conditions that must be met for each account. the disconnect error must be caused by a sign in from another location, AND there has to be some activity that indicates it's being used...
19:49:51 <Mic> clokep_work: that might actually solve the problem the the tab and the cotent look so detached when being connected on a short side only ;)
19:50:23 <deOmega> Mic: hwo about both? :)
19:50:35 <Mic> That's the main problem I have with a vertical solution: it's hard to make it look like one piece
19:50:44 <clokep_work> Mic: But you'd actually have less room for tabs since most people keep the window width > height.
19:51:13 <clokep_work> deOmega: Implementing both isn't as easy as it sounds actually, but it might be possible...but since I'm not interested in that way, I get to finish my way first. :)
19:51:22 <Mic> That's true while having rotated text might be the worse problem
19:51:31 <clokep_work> Mic: I've made it seem a bit more "attached" now, so its getting there.
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19:52:14 <clokep_work> Too late, I created the project: http://code.google.com/p/vertical-tabs/ No code yet obviously since its not on this computer.
19:52:22 <hicham> this time i am compiling xulrunner without X running
19:52:39 <hicham> ld takes a lot of memory :(
19:52:43 <clokep_work> hicham: With the new checkins?
19:52:58 <hicham> clokep_work: yes, the latest checkout
19:53:19 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> Clokep_work, it wouldn't techincally allow for more conversations unless you assume that your window is taller than it wide
19:53:52 <hicham> googlecode is great
19:53:57 <deOmega> clokep_work: wel, i am  absolutely  excited about the tabs addon... so i appreciate your time  and  work.
19:54:02 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> your mom is great
19:54:20 <clokep_work> DetroitLibertyPenguin: I disagree. If we assume that the (width > height) for the window, and that the tab (width >> height), then by stacking them vertically I can fit something like 8 - 10 tabs instead of 5.
19:54:48 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> >>?
19:54:49 <clokep_work> hicham: Its convenient, I agree. :)
19:54:57 <clokep_work> Much greater then. ;)
19:55:04 <clokep_work> Like 150 pixels compared to the 22 pixels of height.
19:55:19 * clokep_work feels like he's going to need to show a proof later.
19:55:29 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> OK, I obviously misunder the purpose of your addon!
19:55:39 <clokep_work> DetroitLiberyPenguin, I'll take some screens w/ the default window size and stuff. :)
19:55:46 <clokep_work> There's a screenshot floating around, one second...
19:56:06 <hicham> IB aims to be synchronized with gecko ?
19:56:14 <clokep_work> DetroitLibertyPenguin: http://www.rpi.edu/~clokep/ib/vertical-tabs-winstripe.png
19:56:26 <hicham> current IB version is 0.2b2 and current gecko version is 2.0b2
19:56:28 * clokep_work just realized Mibbit.com has tab completion, doh.
19:56:30 <deOmega> DetroitLibertyPenguin:  here you go
19:56:30 <deOmega> http://www.rpi.edu/~clokep/ib/vertical-tabs-winstripe.png
19:56:55 <clokep_work> hicham: Gecko better catch up for version 0.3 then. ;) Considering how long it took them to get to 2.0.
19:57:19 <skeledrew_work> clokep_work: maybe you should just have IB automatically choose hori or vert tabs based on the width height ratio :)
19:57:36 <hicham> clokep_work: i guess because the dev team is small
19:57:41 <clokep_work> skeledrew_work: I don't like when programs think they're "smarter" than me.
19:57:45 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> they could just through a random number on there to look like they did a lot of work like mandrake did a few years back
19:58:00 <clokep_work> DetroitLibertyPenguin: :cough: Google Chrome :cough:
19:58:02 <skeledrew_work> clokep_work: it could be a user pref :)
19:58:21 <skeledrew_work> and there'd have to be a threshhold too
19:58:26 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> ME! user in control, not application
19:58:35 <clokep_work> skeledrew_work: What did I say about prefs? ;) The way I see it though...if you want vertical tabs you install it, if you don't...you don't install it. So I don't see anywhere for a pref.
19:58:50 <skeledrew_work> i don't mind. the more intuitive a program is, the more productive i can be...
19:58:51 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> :-)
19:58:52 * clokep_work prefers extensions that do one VERY SPECIFIC thing and nothing else.
19:59:13 <skeledrew_work> clokep_work: kk
19:59:45 <skeledrew_work> but at least i hope it ca be dynamically de/activated without a restart
19:59:49 * hicham is using irssi for the moment
20:00:00 <skeledrew_work> then i can make an addon that does the switch :P
20:00:34 <clokep_work> skeledrew_work: That's kind of hard to do considering half of it is just CSS overlays. I mean sure I could make them dynamic...but do I really want to?
20:00:38 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> poopy butte
20:01:02 <clokep_work> I don't see a use base for why you would want to switch it while running. But maybe I'm being narrowminded: So in what case would you use it?
20:01:24 <clokep_work> s/base/case
20:02:08 <hicham> you uploaded the extension clokep_work ?
20:02:31 <clokep_work> hicham: No, still at work. Just made a repo for it.
20:03:37 <skeledrew_work> clokep_work: just thought i'd be thorough. besides, Jetpack style's taking over :)
20:03:37 <skeledrew_work> if for some reason i have to resize my window, i don't want to have to be manually de/activating verttabs
20:04:23 <clokep_work> skeledrew_work: Plan is to add a splitter so you can push the tabs away and have a window w/ "no" tabs.
20:04:37 * clokep_work should start adding issues so people can see what the "plan" is.
20:04:50 <skeledrew_work> now that's what i'm talking about :)
20:07:52 <clokep_work> I do on occasion think ahead. ;)
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20:09:29 <deOmega> off-topic: Noob-note :)..well... in the middle of all of this.. i just realized  (I knew i could in other windows)  that i can  make my scrollbars smaller.top bar smaller etc in  windows 7.    I never touch the scrollbar anyway.. but the scrollbar resize  is not affecting IB
20:09:43 <Even> Hi all !
20:09:56 <deOmega> Even: hi
20:10:05 <clokep_work> Hello Even.
20:10:09 <Even> Just to give an happy note here, the future updating system is making huge progress those last two days thanks to flo.
20:10:27 <Even> With a bit of cooperation I think we're making a great job of it.
20:10:39 <clokep_work> deOmega: Has there just been so many messages that the scrollbar is at its minimum?
20:10:42 <Even> Hope it's going to be the final version.
20:12:04 <deOmega> no not yet
20:12:26 <Even> I don't really want to rewrite this one another time :D
20:12:40 <Even> But I think it's going to be pretty robust this time.
20:13:17 <Mic> Even: :)
20:13:50 <clokep_work> Rewrites are fun. :)
20:15:52 <deOmega> clokep_work: not as yet, i am referring to its width
20:16:25 <deOmega> i am a fan of NO scrollbars.. so being able to make them  very narrow is nice
20:17:08 <clokep_work> deOmega: Oh, how are you making them smaller?
20:17:34 <flo> I've an idea for an add-on to be released on April 1st: an add-on to change the version number to whatever you like, so that the number isn't small anymore :-D.
20:17:57 <deOmega> i went into windows color and appearance and  modifying the  size for each area ai click on
20:18:28 <deOmega> flo: flo, by april 1st, we will be at version 3.xx
20:18:51 <deOmega> so no need :)
20:19:19 <deOmega> (speaking like i am a developer lol)
20:19:31 <flo> I thought you were one :)
20:20:13 <deOmega> oh yeah,  forgot
20:20:53 <flo> weren't you fan of a next generation programing language involving pizzas? :)
20:21:21 <deOmega> no, that would have been yoru programming language
20:21:49 <deOmega> wow.. i took teh day off today.. about time
20:21:53 <flo> mine uses bears and witches ;)
20:22:15 <deOmega> beers and sandwitches?
20:22:31 <clokep_work> Count me in. ;)
20:22:50 <deOmega> lol
20:23:33 <clokep_work> I've written some amazing code while drinking, I just can't figure out /why/ it works the next day...
20:24:37 <flo> I wrote something about the "beer debugging" process in a research report
20:25:19 <deOmega> brb
20:25:25 <flo> (it was a humorous way to state that the code was completely unmaintainable and that I should the only way forward was to drop the project)
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20:26:58 <deOmega> ok, the scrollbar is not resizing in ib for some reason.. and another java looking  program i have running.. no biggie.. idle talk.
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20:28:02 <deOmega> nor in thunderbird, but working on  firefox
20:28:50 <clokep_work> deOmega: Do you run Nightlies of Ib or are you on 0.1.3?
20:28:58 <deOmega> ah... themes issues is why.. works with teh defaults.. that ends another round of rambling :)
20:29:10 <clokep_work> Haha.
20:29:12 <deOmega> nightly.. i am advanced.
20:29:20 <deOmega> :)
20:29:44 <deOmega> hey, i can laugh at myself well :0
20:29:55 <Mic> clokep_work: I know that exactly: drunken coding that results in code that works and no idea why it does what it does
20:29:59 <flo> clokep_work: there's also 0.2b2 in between nightlies and 0.1.3 ;)
20:30:59 <clokep_work> flo: Betas are for the weak.
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20:31:24 * clokep_work doesn't know the last time I ran a release build of Firefox/Thunderbird.
20:31:29 * hicham_ concludes that he is a weak
20:31:58 * clokep_work figures that hicham_ hasn't lost his profile as many times as clokep_work 
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20:32:44 <flo> clokep_work: I gave up on using Firefox nightlies when I started working a lot on Instantbird
20:33:03 <Mic> At-fault accidents :P
20:33:15 <clokep_work> flo: Oh, how come? It doesn't really affect my day-to-day browsing at all. Although I don't think I'm going to update for a week at this point...
20:33:22 <clokep_work> (XPCOM landed if you didn't catch that before.)
20:33:29 <flo> I see broken software all the day long (my debug build rarely works...), so I expect my browser to not change unpredictably :)
20:33:43 <clokep_work> flo: Fair enough! :)
20:34:03 <clokep_work> Does a new build of Instantbird get built even if no changes occur?
20:34:07 <flo> and especially, I can now benefit from add-ons :)
20:34:09 <clokep_work> (Nightly I mean.)
20:35:34 * hicham_ will see if IB won't work with latest xpcom changes
20:36:10 <flo> clokep_work: yes
20:36:17 <flo> the mozilla code may have changed
20:37:00 <clokep_work> flo: Definitely didn't think about that. :) What if neither changed? Or is there just no logic and it just builds every night?
20:38:33 <deOmega> flo: Sweet  comment on the tabs blog.. someone  requesting Vertical tabs :)   Really nice respponse :)
20:38:41 <flo> it build everynight if we have no infrastructure problem
20:39:00 <deOmega> And no, it was not me or anyone i know lol
20:40:22 <clokep_work> Does Instantbird now have a Mac unified toolbar? ;)
20:40:43 * clokep_work feels pressured to release now.
20:40:55 <flo> clokep_work: what do you mean?
20:41:15 <flo> we've had a unified "toolbar" for a while
20:41:18 <clokep_work> flo: People are asking for it. :P
20:41:38 <flo> you mean the comment on the blog?
20:41:50 <flo> it's for a *better looking* titlebar :)
20:42:38 <clokep_work> Ohhh, sorry. Titlebar, whatever. :P Yes the comment on the blog.
20:44:03 <flo> time to finish https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Fqueze/0.2_Launch/find
20:47:00 <flo> any idea for a title for that post?
20:47:17 <deOmega> I was wondering   the SAME thing
20:47:54 <flo> what about making 2 instead of 1? :-D
20:47:59 <flo> "Find" "Zoom"
20:48:12 <deOmega> yeah, i would vote for that
20:48:27 <hicham_> yes, zoom function is missing
20:48:38 <hicham_> though it is integrated in gecko
20:48:43 <clokep_work> flo: Keep it as one and just do like "Viewing Your Messages" or something.
20:49:08 <clokep_work> Or "How Tools from Firefox can Help You Message" or something.
20:49:33 <flo> hicham_: have you actually read that page?
20:49:42 <hicham_> flo : which page ?
20:51:09 <hicham_> flo : ah, ok, nice :)
20:51:59 <clokep_work> flo: Will you hate me if I file a bug abuot how Gecko shortcuts are not findable in Instantbird? :)
20:52:29 <flo> why would I?
20:52:58 <flo> discoverability issues are real bugs
20:53:02 <clokep_work> Wasn't sure if its already on your list. :)
20:55:08 <Mic> Q: "I've typed a message but I don't know how to send it to my buddy" ;)
20:55:55 <deOmega> Mic: That sounds like a question from me
20:55:55 <DGMurdockIII> press enter
20:56:31 <hicham_> i see now manifest files in components dir
20:56:44 <hicham_> firefox should be using browser.manifest
20:56:57 <flo> once someone filed a bug in bugzilla saying that Instantbird could not start conversations
20:57:13 <Mic> "The changes in zoom settings are applied to all conversations at once and saved so that you do not need to adapt the zoom more than once. ",
20:57:18 <flo> I guess that person never had the idea of double clicking or pressing enter
20:57:36 <Mic> a nice way to say: zoom levels can't be changed for each conversation separately ;)
20:57:36 <flo> I'm still puzzled on how it was possible for that person to manage to file a bug
20:58:08 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 427 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
20:58:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Gecko shortcuts are not findable in the conversation window
20:58:17 <flo> Mic: it used to be possible
20:58:23 <flo> when the zoom setting wasn't saved
20:58:30 <clokep_work> Do any IM programs have "send" buttons anymore?
20:58:38 <flo> lots of them have
20:58:42 <Mic> hmm ...
20:58:57 <Mic> Bugzilla doesn't show email adresses to people who are not logged in
20:59:13 <clokep_work> Mic: Good, I don't want you having my email address. :P
20:59:13 <Mic> Instantbird publishes them and they go to a webpage directly .. 
20:59:26 <Mic> I'm a user there I can see it anyway
20:59:33 <clokep_work> I know, I'm teasing.
20:59:38 <clokep_work> I think firebot publishes the username, not the email?
20:59:41 <Mic> I don't want bots farming my adress from the logs
21:00:26 <clokep_work> Right.
21:00:41 <clokep_work> Yeah I would expect it to use my "real name", but it didn't...(o_O) Or at least strip everything after the @.
21:00:42 <flo> instantbot doesn't have the username
21:00:45 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'doesn't have the username' might be.
21:00:46 <flo> it's not in the email
21:00:52 <clokep_work> Can I file bugs against instantbot? :P
21:01:22 * clokep_work is just going to file a lot of bugs so flo gets a lot of email.
21:01:38 <flo> have fun :)
21:01:40 <clokep_work> Anyway, I'm going to go. Hopefully get my extension up tonight. If not have a good night.
21:01:59 <Mic> There could be icons with (+), (0), (-) magnifying glasses
21:02:19 <clokep_work> Mic: Actually, just had a better idea.
21:02:21 <clokep_work> The statusbar isn't being used.
21:02:31 <Mic> For .. umm, saving screen real estate they could be placed at the bottom of the content window, growing from the right hand side into the content area
21:02:37 <clokep_work> Put "Zoom: 100% v" and have it drop down...
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21:03:05 <Mic> Creating a nice, non-rectangular content area .. 
21:03:37 <Mic> sorry, I shouldn't make fun of the FF4 'status bar' ;)
21:04:07 <flo> if you put a button for the zoom, ensure that it's very very small
21:04:29 <hicham_> why a button for the zoom ?
21:04:35 <flo> people who need the zoom feature care a lot about the screen real estate they have ;)
21:04:44 <flo> hicham_: just kidding ;)
21:04:45 <Mic> Morian: can you make Instantbot use the name instead of the emailadress of a Bugzilla reporter?
21:04:57 <flo> Mic: no
21:05:08 <flo> the name is not in the email sent for new bugs filed
21:06:47 <hicham_> flo : now you need manifest files to register purplexpcom ?
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21:07:02 <flo> instantbot: bug 310
21:07:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310 nor, --, 0.2b2, florian, RESO FIXED, The 'add buddy' dialog should have a default group
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21:07:36 <flo> oh, the assignee's email is striped
21:07:43 <hicham_> now i get build failures
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21:07:45 <flo> I hadn't noticed before
21:07:47 <rockbalboa> this page addons.instantbird.org share amo login?
21:07:54 <flo> no
21:07:59 <rockbalboa> bad news
21:08:13 <rockbalboa> the system is the same (looks like)
21:08:21 <flo> it's not hosted by Mozilla
21:08:30 <rockbalboa> hmm
21:09:07 <rockbalboa> Should be
21:09:37 <hicham_> this line is now problematic : NS_IMPL_ISUPPORTS1_CI(purpleAccount, purpleIAccount)
21:09:51 <hicham_> in /purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleAccount.cpp
21:10:08 <skeledrew_work> rockbalboa: it's an independent project
21:10:09 <rockbalboa> any zip no installer of nightly trunk is available?
21:10:12 <hicham_> error: 'gpurpleAccount_classInfoGlobal' was not declared in this scope
21:10:17 <flo> hicham_: all those here who are interested by the XPCOM change are able to read the documentation, and have understood that it's broken now.
21:10:37 <hicham_> flo_ : oh, sorry
21:11:15 <rockbalboa> nvm
21:12:25 <flo> is "Content area tools" an acceptable title for this blog post?
21:16:19 <flo> maybe "Conversation tools" is more human friendly
21:16:29 <skeledrew_work> flo: yeah
21:16:55 <skeledrew_work> where's the ref'd link?
21:17:55 <flo> https://wiki.instantbird.org/User:Fqueze/0.2_Launch/find
21:18:30 <skeledrew_work> k
21:19:17 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/blog-post-find.html
21:20:25 <flo> does this sentence make sense "Some tools available in the Mozilla platform can help you get the most out of the content of your conversations:" ?
21:20:28 <Mic1> "Some tools you already might know from Firefox" ?
21:20:52 <flo> Some tools you probably know in Firefox
21:21:03 <flo> it's better than "available in the Mozilla platform"
21:21:27 <flo> s/know/use/ maybe
21:22:48 <flo> "Some tools you already use in Firefox can help you get the most out of the content of your conversations:"
21:23:55 <flo> "Some tools you already use in Firefox can help you read your conversations in Instantbird:"
21:24:06 <rockbalboa> is any way to acess about:config in instantbird?
21:24:20 <Mic1> go to the preferences, adavanced pane
21:24:20 <flo> from the advanced of the preferences dialog
21:24:23 <Mic1> there is a button
21:24:34 <flo> that should be in the FAQ :)
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21:25:17 <rockbalboa> cool
21:25:30 <Mic1> The FAQ is for atm iirc
21:25:32 <flo> thoughts on which of the proposed wordings is the best?
21:25:45 <flo> Mic1: yes.
21:25:49 <Mic1> I think the "tools you already use" is a little bold
21:25:54 <Mic1> How do you know such a thing?
21:25:55 <rockbalboa> I did my own portable edition based on firefox portable luncher 
21:25:55 <flo> but I'm working on the new website ;)
21:26:07 <flo> "have" instead of "use" maybe?
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21:26:45 <Mic1> rockbalboa: you can make INstantbird portable without any tools
21:27:22 <skeledrew_work> Mic1: but you'd have to be adept with cmd
21:27:23 <rockbalboa> yes I know, just make right folders and shortcut line, but this luncher is confortable
21:27:42 <flo> another thing for the FAQ :)
21:27:50 <Mic1> skeledrew_work: you don't need cmd
21:28:14 <Mic1> flo: do you have the nickname-completion question?
21:28:24 <skeledrew_work> Mic1: really?
21:28:33 <flo> I guess now i have ;)
21:28:45 <flo> though I'm not sure of the answer
21:28:58 <Mic1> You need to setup a new shortcut with the -P parameter and that's it
21:29:08 <skeledrew_work> hmm
21:29:10 <flo> "while you have tab completion for nicks someday?" "not sure" :-D
21:29:13 <skeledrew_work> never thought of that
21:29:27 <Mic1> scratch "tab" and say yes? 
21:29:34 <flo> Mic1: won't that popup the profile manager all the time?
21:29:44 <flo> Mic1: good idea :)
21:29:46 <Mic1> no? 
21:29:55 <deOmega> flo: "Tools you already use in Firefox can help you manage your conversations in Instantbird:"
21:30:04 <rockbalboa> how to download addons directly from instantbird? download each xpi and install manually sound boring
21:30:17 <Mic1> It takes the profile name as parameter and doesn't ask then, if I'm not mistaken
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21:30:46 <flo> Mic1: it needs the profiles.ini file to do that, it's on the hard disk
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21:31:03 <deOmega> thank you guys for everything.. gonna call it a day.  Be well.
21:31:04 <rockbalboa> tools > addons > search and install
21:31:11 <flo> there's another way to start it from the command line that is even better for portable usage: -profile <folder>
21:31:14 <Mic1> hmm, profile folder then?
21:31:24 <rockbalboa> not perfect, but ok
21:31:27 <Mic1> ah, that's the one I meant
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21:31:56 <flo> I'm not sure why -profile is not listed when calling with --help
21:32:16 <flo> it's very useful for debuging/testing with a clean profile
21:32:29 <flo> rm -r testprofile && instantbird -profile testprofile :)
21:33:33 <Mic1> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174&mark=3#c3
21:34:57 <Mic1> rockbalboa: any other questions?
21:34:59 * Mic1 is now known as Mic
21:35:55 <flo> rockbalboa: by the way, if you have downloaded a bunch of xpi files, you can install them all at once by dragging them to the account manager window
21:37:27 <rockbalboa> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/5373/
21:38:06 <rockbalboa> would be cool in instantbird
21:46:34 <Mic> flo: (on logs) "Even though it doesn't provide all the features we would like to expose in a log viewer", maybe say that differently
21:46:37 <rockbalboa> 99% of addons are themes
21:46:54 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org/ :
21:46:55 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/n19-conversation-tools.html - Conversation tools
21:46:57 <Mic> Most of them are automatically converted Adium themes
21:47:47 <Mic> The log viewer is not much more than a list with a content window right now .. sounds strange to talk about "not all the features we'd like to have"
21:48:50 <flo> there's the findbar :)
21:51:09 <rockbalboa> this project is cool, but need a lot of development to get popular
21:52:12 <rockbalboa> good idea to make it popular is add support to run images, flash, youtube (any video in general) directly in chat, since its use firefox engine
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21:54:26 <flo> good night :)
21:55:10 <Mic> same for me
21:55:11 <Mic> nn
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22:05:12 <skeledrew_work> going home...
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23:25:45 * skeledrew is home
23:33:30 <skeledrew> interesting
23:33:31 <skeledrew> how did my GMail account reconnect once i started using my system at home again, but i have to manually reconnect my Yahoo and MSN accounts? Facebook didn't even disconnect in the first place (so it logged the incoming chats; wonder if that can be fixed...)