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Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b2. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 08:18:47 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 08:18:57 <Morian> instantbot: hi 08:18:58 <instantbot> salut Morian 08:20:03 <Morian> instantbot: bug 302 08:20:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Dynamic theme switching 08:20:11 <Morian> :) 08:57:15 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:57:29 <Mic> hi 08:57:33 <flo> hi :) 10:21:41 * Mic : Just appeard on Planet Mozilla: "Alex Faaborg - Upcoming workshop: how to create UIs that don't respect OS default designs" :P 10:21:43 <Mic> scnr 10:23:06 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 10:29:45 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 11:32:45 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 11:37:42 <-- Morian has quit (Quit: leaving) 11:37:46 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Ping timeout) 11:38:37 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 11:38:37 * ChanServ sets mode +h Morian 11:42:13 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 11:45:26 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:45:29 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 11:48:56 <skeledrew> morning 11:49:23 <clokep_work> Good morning skeledrew. I hope everything worked out last night. Couldn't come back on -- no power in the apartment. 11:50:01 * clokep_work reading logs... 11:51:21 <skeledrew> i've been using the DOM Inspector, and have been hitting my head on the wall 11:51:22 <skeledrew> can't see where the convo content is bound to the rest of the window... 11:53:33 <flo> skeledrew: what do you mean by "where the convo content is bound to the rest of the window" ? 11:55:21 <clokep_work> Its part of the convbrowser element I believe is what he's talking about... 11:55:30 <clokep_work> skeledrew: You mean the input box? 11:56:24 <skeledrew> the content DOM is stored in conv.html, the convo window DOM in instantbird.xul 11:56:24 <skeledrew> not seeing where the content is bound to the convo window, and i've done ALOT of tracking via LXR 11:56:49 <skeledrew> ... and the LXR 11:56:58 <skeledrew> *Inspector 11:57:17 <flo> see the convbrowser element 11:57:27 <flo> inside the conversation elements 11:57:35 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 11:58:05 <clokep_work> I think you want the same thing I needed the other day which flo provided to me: getBrowser().contentDocument 11:58:28 <skeledrew> hmm 11:58:37 <skeledrew> that def looks like it 12:00:52 <skeledrew> but why don't i see it in the DOM Inspector? 12:02:25 <flo> are anonymous elements displayed? 12:02:35 <clokep_work> Its in the DOMi AFAIK, what's under the tab element? 12:02:50 <skeledrew> flo: ? 12:03:00 <flo> are there elements in red in the tree on the left side? 12:03:10 <skeledrew> yes 12:03:21 <flo> ok 12:03:35 <flo> so what are you trying to see exactly? 12:04:28 <skeledrew> the node in instantbird.xul where conv.html is attached 12:10:25 <flo> skeledrew: http://queze.net/goinfre/DOMi.png 12:12:04 <skeledrew> ohhh 12:12:20 <skeledrew> thanks 12:12:26 <flo> you are welcome 12:13:13 <skeledrew> i can do the history thing now. so the "bugs" can be eventually fixed 12:13:16 <skeledrew> :) 12:15:48 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 12:18:27 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 12:18:44 * clokep_work just realized taht without power last night I probably have lots of bugmail. 12:19:30 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2) 12:25:49 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 12:39:06 --> ibbot has joined #instantbird 12:41:41 <clokep_work> So what does ibbot do as opposed to instantbot? 12:42:08 <-- ibbot has quit (Ping timeout) 12:54:58 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 13:02:59 <Morian> clokep_work: ibbot is the name of instantbot when instantbot is already taken. 13:03:26 <clokep_work> Morian: Why would instantbot already be taken? :P Just if the process gets run twice? 13:03:34 <Morian> There were both because instantbot was moving to a new server and I wanted to check it. 13:03:52 <clokep_work> Got it. Thanks. 13:12:59 <skeledrew_dev> outgoing test... 13:25:24 <clokep_work> skeledrew: You working on history still? 13:25:40 <-- flo has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:25:56 <skeledrew> yep 13:26:08 <clokep_work> Any luck? 13:26:28 <skeledrew> got some of untested code 13:26:44 <skeledrew> should be almost complete 13:27:17 <clokep_work> :) Awesome. Let me know if you need some testing. 13:27:37 <skeledrew> hopefully it doesn't break too badly when i run it, but it looks pretty logical 13:27:40 <skeledrew> k 13:29:41 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 13:31:11 <skeledrew> i'm actually working in the dark for most part, since i'm not sure of the properties and methods in the events... 13:31:54 <clokep_work> :-\ They can be tough to find sometimes. Which event are you looking at? 13:32:15 <skeledrew> keypress 13:32:39 <skeledrew> or is it key? 13:32:58 <skeledrew> i'll try both 13:34:33 <clokep_work> This page should help: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko_DOM_Reference 13:34:38 <clokep_work> Scroll down to the "events" section. 13:35:23 <skeledrew> k 13:42:40 --> flo has joined #instantbird 13:42:40 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 13:44:21 <flo> bah, it seems that the world collapses during internet outages :-D. 13:46:04 <skeledrew> it doesn't? :) 13:46:41 <flo> the phones still worked. 13:47:03 <skeledrew> oh :) 13:47:05 <flo> It's useful to call in the other buildings of the campus to know if others have the same connectivity issue :-D. 13:47:24 <skeledrew> k 13:47:28 <clokep_work> flo: That's only cause you don't have VoIP phones. ;) 13:47:34 <flo> "Hey, I've no Internet." 13:47:41 <flo> "Well, I don't have it either." 13:47:51 <skeledrew> lol 13:48:13 <flo> clokep_work: I think we do have VoIP phones :-D. 13:48:35 <flo> but somehow, the internal network was still OK (I could still access the front page of the university's public website) 13:48:54 <skeledrew> interesting... 13:49:01 <clokep_work> flo: Ah, sounds like a DNS problem or a gateway issue. We get those at school occasionally. 13:49:18 <clokep_work> Very frustrating when you can't access anything off campus. :( 13:49:47 <flo> DNS isn't so bad, you can use external DNS servers ;) 13:50:23 <clokep_work> flo: Yup, as long as you know the IPs. :) I now keep them saved in my proxy settings hah. 13:50:43 <flo> Google DNS's IP is easy to remember: 8.8.8.8 13:51:07 <clokep_work> Hm. Good to know. :) 13:52:01 <flo> :) 13:54:51 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 13:55:30 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Ping timeout) 13:56:18 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 13:56:39 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 13:57:11 <skeledrew> I HATE POWER OUTAGES!!! 13:57:28 <clokep_work> skeledrew: Me too. Good thing most of the city I live in has no power right now. :( 13:57:39 <skeledrew> k 13:57:43 <clokep_work> (But of course my office does...) 13:57:51 <skeledrew> worse i was on a roll 13:58:08 <flo> I was saying a few minutes ago that internet outages were like the power outages we had 10 years ago :-D 13:58:26 <skeledrew> now i have to rebuild the workspace AND try to get back my train of though :( 13:58:47 <flo> skeledrew: by a laptop next time ;) 13:58:50 <flo> *buy 13:58:58 <skeledrew> that's a definite 13:59:07 <clokep_work> flo: My laptop doesn't have a battery in it. :( 14:00:19 <skeledrew> Notepad++ needs an autosave session feature or something 14:00:36 <clokep_work> It has one, its just not enabled by default. 14:00:43 <clokep_work> Options > Upper right tab I believe. 14:00:54 <skeledrew> AUTOsave? 14:01:05 <clokep_work> Yeah... 14:01:13 <clokep_work> You can set it how often you want to, etc. 14:01:20 <clokep_work> I've never used it though. 14:03:37 <clokep_work> You can also set it to open your previous workspace. 14:03:44 <skeledrew> preferences right? i'm not seeing any 14:03:50 <skeledrew> that i see 14:04:22 <clokep_work> Are you on the newest version? 14:04:33 <skeledrew> but it only works if NPP is closed properly 14:04:42 <skeledrew> hmm 14:04:51 <skeledrew> i don't think so 14:05:22 <skeledrew> i have v5.6.4 14:06:16 <skeledrew> using Ketarin to autoupdate :) 14:06:30 <clokep_work> 5.6.8 is the newest, but I'm sure its just a bug fix. 14:06:44 <skeledrew> k 14:07:10 <clokep_work> Is there a "Backup / Auto-complete" tab in Options? 14:07:12 <skeledrew> hmm 14:07:32 <skeledrew> i wonder if it'd make sense to "addonize" Keratin... 14:07:52 <clokep_work> There also seems to be a N++ addon that does it: http://lifehacker.com/5303634/autosave-adds-reassurance-to-notepad%252B%252B-editing 14:08:33 <clokep_work> But I'm pretty sure its built in "Settings > Preferences > Backup-Auto-completion tab > Click Verbose Backup and Tick Enable Auto-completion on each input This will time stamp a copy of your file every time you save." 14:10:08 <skeledrew> k 14:16:41 <skeledrew> i can't even remember the last bit of code i typed. and it wasn't saved... 14:29:25 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 14:29:53 <skeledrew_dev> outgoing test... 14:31:46 <skeledrew> incoming test... 15:06:53 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 15:39:05 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 15:50:56 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 16:16:00 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 16:16:49 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Ping timeout) 16:17:56 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 16:19:04 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 16:30:56 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:21:28 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:22:41 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 17:24:38 <skeledrew> @##%^ power cuts... 17:29:03 <skeledrew> addon finally seems ready for it's initial test :) 17:29:44 <clokep_work> Awesome! Congrats. 17:29:54 <skeledrew> :) 17:34:02 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 17:34:35 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 17:35:02 * skeledrew is trying to setup a package-less install 17:35:43 <clokep_work> That shuold just be making the xpi file? 17:36:00 <skeledrew> no. uncompressed 17:36:17 <skeledrew> using the pointer file 17:36:18 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what you mean, but OK. :) 17:36:24 <clokep_work> Ohhhh. 17:36:24 <skeledrew> lol 17:36:36 <clokep_work> I never use the pointer file, I always just put my code directly in there, I found it easier. 17:36:39 <clokep_work> And less cluttered. 17:36:51 <skeledrew> k 17:37:31 <skeledrew> well, my project folders aren't exactly close to the app itself... 17:38:00 <skeledrew> and my files are organized a certain way 17:38:09 <skeledrew> (at least, i try) 17:38:26 <clokep_work> Fair enough. :) I just don't try haha. 17:38:55 <clokep_work> I never really found a good way to organize code since different environments want it in different places. 17:39:10 <clokep_work> And putting it under my own directly takes a long time to get to on a command line so.. 17:40:23 <skeledrew> k 17:40:43 <skeledrew> i don't use much cmd line though 17:41:32 <skeledrew> but my motto is "if it's tiresomely repetitive, script it"... 17:41:37 <clokep_work> I don't much anymore. Used to do a lot through Cygwin... 17:41:44 <skeledrew> oh 17:42:08 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 17:42:22 <clokep_work> or MSYS, but now I mostly use GUI stuff, or have batch files written so its not a big deal. :) 17:42:44 <skeledrew> k 17:42:49 <skeledrew> hmm 17:43:12 <skeledrew> i want to revolutionize it all 17:43:27 <skeledrew> make it all drag-drop 17:43:34 <clokep_work> Instantbird? 17:43:44 <skeledrew> no 17:43:47 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has left #instantbird () 17:43:47 <clokep_work> I don't like D'n'D, too slow. :) 17:44:02 <skeledrew> from GUI design to hardcore coding... 17:44:59 <skeledrew> i want to take (most of) the typing out of programming 17:47:13 <clokep_work> Interesting. 17:47:18 <clokep_work> Sounds like EasyC to me. :) 17:47:21 <clokep_work> Or LabView. 17:48:29 <skeledrew> ? 17:48:31 <skeledrew> hmm 17:48:56 * skeledrew is googling... 17:49:08 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 17:50:50 <clokep_work> skeledrew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_programming 17:53:10 <skeledrew> interesting 17:53:19 <skeledrew> that's the basic idea 17:53:42 <clokep_work> Most of the ones I've ever used are for real-time embedded programming. 17:53:55 <clokep_work> I tend to dislike them. Find them slow to write. 17:54:09 <skeledrew> and it'd be pretty extensible; you'd be able to add nearly any language 17:54:20 <skeledrew> nah 17:54:41 <skeledrew> i've found myself thinking more visually nowadays 17:55:04 <skeledrew> and i was really inspired by XUL 17:55:43 <skeledrew> i think it'd be simpler than those already out there though 17:55:43 <clokep_work> OK. 17:56:13 <skeledrew> i'm thinking of sticking more to tree-style 17:56:22 <skeledrew> still working on the specs :) 17:57:59 <clokep_work> Hmm....OK. 18:02:02 <clokep_work> Hmm...I just found a typo on instantbird.org. 18:02:14 <skeledrew> it'd be a combined code generator, viewer AND converter; i'd be able to program faster and more accurately, i'd be able to view existing code and i'd be able to convert among supported languages... 18:02:40 <clokep_work> That's an awful lot of stuff to put in there. Take a long time to write. 18:04:10 <skeledrew> the engine'd be pretty easy. i'm already halfway or so done 18:04:10 <skeledrew> it's the language implementation that'd be the main challenge. esp for conversion 18:04:26 <clokep_work> Yeah, conversion would be interesting. 18:04:39 <clokep_work> Just bring them all down to ASM and then decompile them out. ;) 18:04:55 <skeledrew> lol 18:04:58 <skeledrew> hmm 18:05:06 <skeledrew> come to think of it 18:05:20 <skeledrew> i do have a decompiler in the making 18:05:37 <clokep_work> I wasn't totally joking when I said that... 18:05:51 <skeledrew> haven't worked on it a while though. but you should see what it does to PE files ;) 18:06:59 <skeledrew> i'm always interested in pulling things apart. esp software... 18:07:30 <clokep_work> Right. My problem is I never seem to finish things. 18:07:39 <skeledrew> mine too 18:08:15 <skeledrew> i've got loads of projects, many of which i've just begun, just sitting around 18:08:36 <skeledrew> most have been there for years 18:08:58 <clokep_work> I know what you mean. :( 18:11:06 <skeledrew> maybe i'll do a refresher on many of them, get a spot on Google Code, SourceForge, etc and open them up. that should keep me motivated and speed things up... 18:11:54 <clokep_work> Yeah. I just keep things on Google Code so I don't lose them. :) But I'm not crazy about Google Code... 18:12:06 <skeledrew> k 18:12:32 <skeledrew> right now, i just want some real web presence 18:12:49 <skeledrew> FB and Twitter don't really count 18:12:58 <clokep_work> Right. 18:13:16 <clokep_work> Go for it. :) Google Code is easy to use. And svn/hg isn't too hard to pick up. 18:13:25 <skeledrew> setup a personal site, maybe a blog, or something 18:13:38 <skeledrew> k 18:16:13 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 18:16:43 * skeledrew wonders if IB will crash horribly on accessing the addon's function 18:17:15 <clokep_work> Its not bad if it crashes, its bad if it takes the computer down too. :) 18:17:15 <skeledrew_dev> testing... 18:17:42 <skeledrew_dev> history 18:17:48 <clokep_work> Well skeledrew_dev is still here... 18:18:20 <skeledrew> yeah 18:18:32 <skeledrew> it installed ok 18:18:42 <skeledrew> but nothing's happening 18:18:49 <skeledrew> hmm 18:19:12 <skeledrew> ohhh 18:19:15 <clokep_work> Error Console 18:19:44 --> flo has joined #instantbird 18:19:45 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 18:19:53 <skeledrew> Error Console says there's a single error in my code 18:20:01 <skeledrew> interesting 18:20:09 <skeledrew> almost perfect 18:20:20 <skeledrew> syntax-wise anyway 18:20:49 <clokep_work> Well if its a runtime error there could be errors below it which didn't pop up. 18:21:04 <skeledrew> k 18:21:42 <skeledrew> i put a - instead of = in making the main object. lol 18:22:23 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2) 18:23:58 <clokep_work> That would do it. 18:24:11 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 18:24:57 <skeledrew_dev> testing... 18:25:21 <skeledrew_dev> ... 18:25:31 <clokep_work> I need to go. Hopefully I have power at home. :) 18:25:35 <clokep_work> Good luck! 18:25:42 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:26:36 <skeledrew_dev> nothing in Error Console. must be a logic error... 18:31:38 <skeledrew_dev> *sighs* 18:31:38 <skeledrew_dev> now how do i debug logic errors in this thing? 18:32:02 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2) 18:33:05 <skeledrew> hmm 18:34:59 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 18:35:09 <skeledrew_dev> ... 18:35:16 <skeledrew_dev> testing... 18:36:02 <skeledrew_dev> failure... 18:36:08 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2) 18:38:00 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 18:38:33 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2) 18:41:57 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 18:47:05 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:47:13 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 18:48:29 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:49:13 <skeledrew> arrg! 18:49:13 <skeledrew> doesn't DOM Inspector's search function work at all??? 18:49:37 --> skeledrew_dev has joined #instantbird 19:02:46 * skeledrew_dev needs a break 19:02:54 <-- skeledrew_dev has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2) 19:59:36 * GeekShad0w is now known as GeekShadow 20:04:10 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 20:17:21 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:18:33 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:24:30 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 21:15:23 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has left #instantbird () 21:21:32 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 21:36:01 <-- Amfi has quit (Ping timeout) 23:07:18 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 23:36:49 --> clokep_ has joined #instantbird 23:37:26 <clokep_> Get it working skeledrew: 23:38:39 <clokep_> flo: This might be a really silly question...but I'm trying to apply styles to elements that are defined in tabbrowser.xml . . . it doesn't seem to work from style sheets, is there something I'm doing wrong? 23:40:19 <clokep_> I'm not very familiar with XBL. 23:43:37 <-- clokep_ has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 23:46:26 --> clokep_ has joined #instantbird 23:52:21 <skeledrew> i took a break. need to go back to the docs 23:55:14 <clokep_> Ah, I see. 23:57:55 <skeledrew> since i don't have a live debugger/tracer, and it doesn't give anything in Error Console or DOMi, i need to know the language better to manually trace it 23:58:33 <clokep_> Venkman 23:59:06 <skeledrew> ? 23:59:16 <clokep_> JavaScript Debugger extension. 23:59:21 * skeledrew is googling 23:59:28 <skeledrew> oh 23:59:35 <clokep_> I'm not sure its built for Instantbird or not though. :-\ 23:59:48 <skeledrew> k 23:59:57 <skeledrew> well i'm sure that can be fixed...