#instantbird log on 06 13 2010

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07:35:33 <Amfi> Hi :)
07:36:13 <Amfi> Will the website 2.0 be multilingual? Or at least the add-ons?
08:36:25 <flo> Amfi: I'd love that, but I don't think it's realistic for 0.2
08:36:35 <flo> I guess it's something we will improve on later
08:37:07 <Amfi> Just give us the tools, and the Polish version will be first ;)
08:37:33 <Amfi> I haven't followed irc recently..
08:37:34 <flo> yeah, given http://instantbird.pl/, I'm not surprised ;)
08:37:39 <Amfi> :D
08:37:51 <Amfi> Is there any set date for 0.2 yet?
08:38:28 <flo> oh, "Instantbird on Facebook" "Instantbird has 3 fans" :-D
08:38:44 <flo> unfortunately, no. I don't know when the update system will be ready :(
08:38:49 <Amfi> Huge fan-club we've got :D
08:39:33 <flo> there a "I love Instantbird" facebook group somewhere
08:41:08 <Amfi> I can see only one other Instantbird page..
08:41:19 <Amfi> Is it official one? 
08:42:05 <flo> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9091979396
08:42:48 <flo> It was created by goulagman, I don't know if that makes it "official"
08:43:27 <Amfi> fb search engine did not show this one to me
08:43:43 <Amfi> I guees the biggest one will become official :)
08:44:00 <flo> oh, so I don't know what was the other one you were seeing then
08:44:06 <flo> most likely :)
08:45:18 <Amfi> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Instantbird/131737273505523
08:46:02 <flo> the search doesn't show this page to me :-S
08:46:11 <flo> bah...
08:46:19 <Amfi> :D
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11:34:41 <Mic> Ah, communication :) 
11:34:45 <Mic> That's good.
12:33:21 <flo> :)
13:25:54 <Mic> flo: I am indeed talking about "local privacy" on this bug
13:26:21 <flo> that's what I guessed, but I figured it would be good to make things clear for other people reading the bug ;)
13:26:48 <Mic> Storing data online also sounds good to me as I'm using IB from different computers and can't access the logs easily from the others
13:26:48 <flo> "privacy" is often seen as a magic word (a bit like "security") and people sometimes put anything behind it
13:27:14 <flo> I'm interested in using something like weave to store the account and buddy lists
13:27:20 <flo> and looking into things like dropbox to store the logs
13:27:23 <Mic> I recently started using Weave (or Firefox Sync as it is called now) and I'm quite happy with it
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14:06:35 <Mic> Welcome clokep
14:06:57 <clokep> Hello.
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18:48:09 <clokep> ping: Mic
18:51:34 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 423 filed by tymerkaev@gmail.com.
18:51:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add "View Logs" menu item before implement new logs viewer
19:16:56 <Mic> re
19:17:10 <Mic> clokep: hi, what's up?
19:18:49 <clokep> Re: bug 415
19:18:52 <instantbot> clokep: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Detaching a tab over Skype contact list doesn't work
19:19:28 <clokep> When I drag a tab over a Skype contact it doesn't give me the "file drop" type command, it just gives me a not-allowed symbol and if I drop, the tab detaches.
19:19:57 <clokep> If that doesn't make sense, I'll post a screenshot in the bug later tonight.
19:20:29 <Mic> It's ok, I was just not sure if you were trying to drop over a contact or over some other part of the contact list
19:20:40 <Mic> It's working for any other part but the contacts themselves
19:20:54 <Mic> (here, for me ofcourse)
19:20:58 <clokep> Right, I'm saying the contacts do WFM.
19:21:55 <Mic> ok
19:22:02 <clokep> Skype:, Instantbird: 0.2pre (20100612042008), Windows 7.
19:22:15 <clokep> I can drop anywher eon the Skype window is what I'm saying.
19:22:26 <Mic> Is there Skype 5 already?
19:22:36 <clokep> It might be Beta?
19:22:43 <clokep> Yeah, seems its a beta.
19:22:47 <Mic> I'm still using 3.8 as I think they messed up the UI of Skype 4
19:23:15 <clokep> I agree, but it had some other features  I needed (screen sharing w/ Mac I believe was one?)
19:23:49 <Mic> flo: maybe we should merge bug 415 and bug 274 to a general drag&drop bug
19:23:52 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Detaching a tab over Skype contact list doesn't work
19:23:53 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Privacy mode
19:24:10 <Mic> bug 273 then
19:24:13 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=273 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Detacting a tab above the Firefox content area doesn't work
19:24:29 <Mic> Maybe I shouldn't cite bug numbers from the memory ;)
19:26:48 <clokep> Hah, just makes it all messy? But if it doesn't work with an old version of Skype, works with a new version...is it perhaps a Skype bug and not an Instantbird bug?
19:27:02 <clokep> Also, I can drag&drop a tab over the latest version of Minefield and it detaches fine.
19:28:06 <clokep> I have to get going actually.  Thanks.
19:28:11 <Mic> bye
19:30:07 <flo> Mic: you can do as you see fit :)
19:30:21 <flo> even better if someone manages to find the actual cause of the bug, of course ;)
19:30:59 <Mic> As I'm not sure what the reason for this bug could be so I'd like to get another opinion
19:32:32 <Mic> Anyways, away for watching soccer again
19:34:50 <Mic> tymerkaev: it would take more than just a menu item as you need to select which user's logs you'd like to browse
19:36:15 <tymerkaev> but if that user not in your list (you removed it, forget about add after talk, etc.)
19:36:20 <tymerkaev> ??
19:36:45 <tymerkaev> flo: ping
19:36:55 <Mic> Ah, that case is not covered yet, indeed
19:37:22 <Mic> away now, ttyl
19:39:50 <flo> I think we need, relatively soon, to design some menus for the buddy list
19:40:02 <flo> everything that is accessible from the context menu should also be from a regular menu
19:40:40 <flo> and things like starting a conversation or showing the history should benefit from completion/selecting in the list, but also allow typing a buddy name that isn't know yet
20:20:57 <Mic> re
20:24:17 <Mic> As a "Buddy"-menu that is a copy of the context menu?
20:24:36 <Mic> I think menus are cluttered on most IM clients :S
20:25:57 <flo> menus are bad for everything but discoverability (and maybe accessibility)
20:26:34 <flo> it's slow, ugly, messy, ... But some people expect them. When you are lost in an application, the typical reaction is to explore the menus
20:27:49 <Mic> http://xkcd.com/627/
20:28:45 <flo> exactly!
20:28:51 <flo> I like the "pick one at random" :)
20:30:31 <flo> tymerkaev: for your information, when you file a bug, you automatically receive email notification about changes, so you probably don't need to CC yourself to bugs you filed.
20:30:58 <flo> and I'm watching all bug changes, so whatever changes on the bugzilla, I'm notified by email, so you usually don't need to CC me either ;)
20:31:16 <tymerkaev> I know it, but I forget about uncheck "Add me to CC list"
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20:31:35 <flo> so do I! :-D
20:33:27 <Mic> "File" is still the worst misnomer on the menus
20:34:11 <Mic> Maybe we should name is "Misc." instead ;)
20:34:35 <flo> feel free to propose improvements for the menus, either in a bug or in a wiki page :)
20:35:04 <flo> yeah, "Misc" for "MISorganised Crap" ;)
20:35:31 <Mic> "Miscellaneous"
20:42:06 <Mic> Typeahead filtering for the buddy list would be nice
20:43:51 <Mic> If someone types (+enter?) something that's not there yet? Ask for adding a new buddy to the list/popup the add-buddy-dialog, maybe?
20:44:29 <Mic> Atleast I would like that
20:51:34 <Mic> flo: I can't find the link to the mockups/screenshot of the status bar on top of the buddylist
20:51:40 <Mic> Would you mind posting it again?
20:52:12 <Mic> The one with the buddy icon ..
20:52:26 <flo> Mic: what about "start a conversation", and add automatically somewhere in the autocompletion list everybody to whom we have ever talked at least once?
20:52:51 <flo> arg, I need to get really better at posting screenshots
20:53:12 <flo> one day I'll have that all organized on screenshot.ib.org or florian.ib.org and a twitter post for each new screenshot :-D
20:54:36 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/buddy-list-status-winxp4.png
20:54:58 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/buddy-list-status.png
20:56:00 <Mic> Thank you
20:56:35 <flo> np
21:19:06 <Mic> Maybe move them to a separate directory and make it listable for the time being, would be good enough to be able to figure it out yourself
21:19:13 <Mic> Right now it's just not possible
21:44:10 <Mic> good night
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