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00:14:42 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 02:20:48 --> debiandebian has joined #instantbird 04:00:38 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 04:03:39 <-- debiandebian has quit (Ping timeout) 07:08:09 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 07:12:43 --> Mitch has joined #instantbird 07:13:38 --> flo has joined #instantbird 07:13:39 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:18:25 --> debiandebian has joined #instantbird 09:21:17 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:22:03 <flo> in my email inbox today: "I just discovered Instantbird yesterday and I'm in love! I've been looking for a good IM client for years after being dissatisfied with Adium for Mac. This is the first one I've seen that works well, is polished, and has most of the features I need. Thanks!" :) 09:25:52 <Mic> Nice :) 09:40:42 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 09:42:14 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:19:03 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 10:30:46 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 11:09:29 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 11:30:55 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 11:45:23 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 11:45:42 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:47:57 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 11:55:31 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 12:57:07 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:58:00 <Mic> hi 12:58:27 <Mic> Concurring sound playbacks cut off the first sound when the second starts 12:58:35 <flo> ah? 12:58:36 <Mic> Sounds strange and broken 12:59:08 <flo> the sound code has various strange brokenness depending on the OSes 12:59:29 <Mic> I'll try to create a reduced code fragment to reproduce it reliably 12:59:49 <Mic> I was observing it on Windows XP by the way 12:59:52 <flo> hopefully it will get a lot better (could it get worse?) once we are on 1.9.3, where the system used is the same as the one used for <audio> HTML5 tags :) 13:00:24 <flo> and we will be able to play ogg vorbis files in addition to wave files :) 13:15:54 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 13:52:31 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 13:56:40 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 14:14:19 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:00:18 <Mic> flo: about bug 383 and javascript on Template.html 15:00:21 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383 tri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Top left corner js:handleParent box appears on hover. 15:00:43 <Mic> Would a warning on the error console be an option? 15:01:07 <flo> what would the warning say? 15:02:19 <Mic> Could be something like "javascript on Template.html is not supported. Please have a look at the differences-between-... article" 15:03:23 <flo> this means we would try to load the Template.html file for all themes, to say that we can't load it? :) 15:05:00 <Mic> So there's no Template.html file loaded at all? 15:05:06 <flo> no 15:05:39 <Mic> It sounded like Javascript in there is just ignored; I have to admit I don't know to usual content of such a file ;) 15:05:49 <flo> we load chrome://instantbird/content/conv.html instead 15:06:10 <flo> that file contains at ton of crap that is just a copy&paste from the Adium official version 15:06:26 <flo> and a few lines of this is modified to better suit the needs of the theme author 15:06:59 <flo> supporting this replacement of the default Template.html file was a bad idea because it means that when Adium developers fix bugs in the template, bugs still exist in the themes that copied it 15:08:35 <Mic> ok, but if checking for the existence of the file would be cheap enough, maybe outputting such a message would be a good idea anyways 15:08:57 <Mic> It would be a hint at least where to start 15:09:21 <flo> maybe we should have checked the existance of the file when we created the .xpi files, removed the file from the xpi, and added a warning on the addons.instantbird.org listing 15:10:01 <Mic> I thought about something similiar as well but it just won't help other theme authors 15:11:00 <flo> if the goal is to help theme authors, then we should provide "default" themes that are well designed and ready to be copied and adapted 15:11:58 <Mic> That would definitely help people creating new themes but someone porting a theme from Adium to Ib might still fall into the trap 15:12:12 <Mic> The wiki article on "Differences with Adium" could be a little more precise on the "files" section 15:13:13 <flo> what's missing in the Template.html paragraph? 15:13:37 <Mic> It's too chatty 15:14:09 <Mic> Adding "not supported" at the beginning would make things much clearer in my opinion 15:14:20 <flo> you'd like to add a 1 line summary and a line break before the details? 15:14:21 <Mic> That's the place from which I got the idea that just javascript is ignored 15:14:53 <flo> there's "Not Implemented" just above 15:16:14 <flo> is this better now? 15:17:02 <Mic> yes 15:17:06 <flo> :) 15:17:30 <Mic> Topic is to style the topic of IRC chats? 15:17:36 <flo> I think so 15:17:52 <flo> I don't know the details. 15:18:16 <flo> it's possible that we want to implement this someday. 15:18:39 <flo> I'm not sure there's a lot of value in treating topic lines differently than status messages, but anyway... 15:20:17 <Mic> I put a small explanation there as well 15:21:00 <flo> I think it's the "The topic for #instantbird is: ..." message 15:21:36 <Mic> On http://trac.adium.im/wiki/CreatingMessageStyles it says that it replaces the header on group chats 15:21:41 <flo> in this case, it uses Status.html 15:21:51 <flo> aaah! 15:22:03 <Mic> So I think it is ok so write that 15:22:06 <Mic> *to 15:22:21 <flo> well, last time we discussed it, I was so close to decide that the header.html file was a bad idea in the first place and we should stop supporting it 15:23:22 <flo> the header the adium page is talking about is "Header.html" (there's an option in the pref dialog to enable/disable this header if it's provided by the theme) 15:23:31 <Mic> I know 15:24:15 <Mic> Are there guidelines how to review a message theme? (on AIO?) 15:24:28 <flo> as far as I know, no. 15:24:30 <Mic> If yes you could add the template-thing to it 15:25:06 <flo> Even does all the reviews, except when something looks complicated/dangerous, in which case he asks me to look at it 15:25:43 <flo> I think installing locally and making sure it at least mostly works is part of what he tests, but I'm not 100% sure 15:26:07 <Mic> Does AMI/AIO support testing something automatically? 15:26:12 <Mic> *AMO/AIO 15:26:33 <flo> AMO currently supports it 15:26:43 <flo> I'm not sure our version is new enough for that 15:27:22 <Mic> Since checking for the existence of a file perfectly looks like an automatable task 15:33:51 <flo> I've got to go. Good evening :) 15:34:05 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 15:42:27 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 16:03:50 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 16:26:30 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 17:07:07 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:10:14 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:10:33 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 17:10:40 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:14:07 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 17:15:03 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:36:41 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 17:44:50 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 18:02:28 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:08:35 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 18:23:13 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:23:21 --> flo has joined #instantbird 18:23:21 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 18:56:16 <DGMurdockIII> hey flo, i have a qustion 18:56:58 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): is file transfer going to added soon to instantbird 18:59:49 --> Even has joined #instantbird 18:59:49 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 19:05:51 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 19:06:01 <iLobster> Greetings 19:14:03 <DGMurdockIII> hi 19:29:39 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> moo 19:47:46 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:54:09 <-- iLobster has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 21:02:32 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 21:11:57 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 21:20:49 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Ping timeout) 21:22:18 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 22:47:27 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 22:49:44 <Mic> For me "Most popular Add-ons" would sound better than "Add-ons Top 5" by the way 22:56:39 <Mic> Is the sheet-like appearance of the content just for demonstration or is it intended to look like this on the page itself (The 'sheet'/column in the center, surrounded by the grey gradient shadows over the space-filling background)? 22:57:39 * flo looks 22:57:52 <flo> I said too that I didn't like "Top 5" 22:59:00 <flo> It's intended to look like this (the border/shadow) 22:59:13 <Mic> What about separating the upper and the lower part visually by a <hr> or something like that? 22:59:38 <flo> there was another iteration 22:59:42 <flo> let me upload it :) 23:00:00 <Mic> I just know maquette ... 0.2.2 23:01:42 <flo> (note: this new iteration is just an attempt to improve the appearance of the 2 content areas at the bottom, the other comments have not been addressed yet) 23:02:36 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/maquette-site-0.2-3.png 23:07:40 <Mic> The separator is good in my opinion 23:08:32 <flo> :) 23:08:46 <Mic> Have you tried expanding the rounded box around all the content at the bottom? 23:10:11 <flo> I don't know 23:10:44 <flo> (I haven't seen all the experiments, only the ones that looked promising from idechix's point of view ;)) 23:10:51 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has left #instantbird () 23:12:17 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 23:13:07 <Mic> What is the plan for the "What's new?" column? 23:13:40 <Mic> Announcements of new blog entries, new releases and such? 23:14:02 <Mic> Will it hold a fixed number of items or varying? 23:16:35 <Mic> for example because items will be removed after a certain time 23:18:38 <flo> not completely decided yet. 23:18:53 <flo> But I think it will be the feed of the blog, with a fixed number of posts displayed 23:19:24 <Mic> I'm just curious because it would also affect the length of the Add-ons column 23:19:28 <flo> we want/need to post more often on the blgo 23:19:30 <flo> *blog 23:20:37 <Mic> I wouldn't mind a box with the addons in the upper right of the lower section with the news content flowing around it 23:21:29 <flo> I think we want to show only the title, and the first few lines/words of the news 23:21:30 <Mic> instead of spanning the full height which would most likely result in blank space at the bottom of one of the columns 23:24:36 <flo> it's late already :-/. 23:24:39 <flo> Good night! :) 23:25:30 <Mic> Good night 23:25:49 <Mic> flo: one second 23:25:56 <Mic> Do you know which font it is? 23:26:50 <flo> I think it's SaccoVanzetti 23:27:20 <flo> Mic: or rather, a modified version of it 23:27:43 <Mic> It's ok then.. I definitely don't have it 23:29:06 <flo> it will use the new @font face CSS thing :) 23:29:33 <flo> do you need it? 23:30:01 <Mic> I would create a modified version of the latest mockup if idechix doesn't mind 23:30:13 <Mic> Having the font would be useful 23:35:43 <flo> ok :) 23:36:52 <Mic> thanks 23:45:35 <flo> good night!