#instantbird log on 05 06 2010

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07:28:41 <flo> good morning :)
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07:36:27 <Mic> hi
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07:46:56 <iLobster> Greetings
07:48:03 <Ruyan> flo: Can instantbird do everything like Pidgin? or purplexpcom has just basic function now?
07:48:27 <flo> if you want pidgin, download pidgin :)
07:50:10 <Ruyan> no, I want know what function instantbird offer
07:50:25 <flo> try it then :)
07:50:37 <Ruyan> I already tried
07:50:43 <Ruyan> hehe
07:51:03 <Ruyan> just want be sure I didn't miss anything
07:52:05 <Mic> Deinfe "can" first, I'd say ;)
07:52:09 <Mic> *Define
07:52:32 <flo> yeah, and "everything" and "basic" and "function"... ;)
07:52:40 <Ruyan> it's possible open instantbird project under Netbeans?
07:52:41 <Ruyan> ok
07:52:43 <Ruyan> moment
07:53:11 <Ruyan> everything like sending files, video chat :D
07:53:24 <flo> Pidgin doesn't do video chat
07:53:43 <flo> except on ONE protocol, on ONE OS, with a limited set of codecs
07:53:52 <iLobster> i have just read http://pastebin.instantbird.com/231 - "what in mind for 0.3" - and have a question: there is "new email notification" string in that list - it's mean that email notifications will be absolutely new for instantbird or do we have some "old"  email notification feature now?
07:54:14 <Mic> gtg
07:54:27 <Ruyan> basic like send/recv messages only
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07:54:57 <flo> iLobster: libpurple supports that feature for some protocol, but it's currently not exposed at all in Instantbird's UI
07:55:13 <iLobster> ok
07:59:22 <iLobster> gtg
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08:00:17 <Ruyan> what IDE are you using?
08:00:21 <flo> emacs
08:02:58 <Ruyan> ohh, it's better than my notepad
08:03:00 <Ruyan> :)
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08:24:04 <Ruyan> When are you planning to make instantbird send and recv files
08:26:22 <flo> are you planing to implement it for us?
08:40:49 <Ruyan> Not sure
08:41:05 <Ruyan> because I need complete what i have start
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08:55:54 <Mic> flo: what exactly are you planning for the "new email notification"?
08:56:23 <flo> it's not completely clear in my mind yet
08:56:42 <Mic> Why do you want to have it in first place?
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08:57:10 <flo> I've spent an hour observing someone using Windows Live Messenger  + Facebook chat in IE
08:58:26 <flo> when someone wrote on her facebook wall (it was her birthday), facebook sent an email notification to her hotmail account
08:58:36 <flo> it appeared inside windows live messenger
08:58:57 <flo> and clicking though lead her to her inbox, and then to her facebook page
09:00:02 <flo> everything seemed to "flow naturally" (though in my opinion there was way too many windows on the screen and applications involved for what shy was actually doing).
09:00:03 <Mic> Shouldn't her email program notify her of that?
09:00:20 <flo> people no longer have an email program
09:01:00 <flo> if we don't notify when a new email arrive, we are somehow breaking a link in all the messaging system.
09:01:26 <flo> it seems digsby has already got that mostly right, by integrating social networks and email in the IM client.
09:01:34 <Mic> Which email providers would you support?
09:01:47 <flo> only the ones that are associated with IM networks
09:01:57 <flo> so Gmail, MSN/Hotmail, Yahoo, AOL
09:02:08 <Mic> And people can only use these for getting facebook mail?
09:02:36 <flo> no, they get whatever they receive on an email inbox
09:03:01 <Mic> I think you got the question the wrong way ...
09:03:14 <Mic> "Can you only sign up with facebook using these providers?"
09:03:23 <flo> it should probably display the topic of the email, and clicking on the notification should point to a webbrowser showing the full email
09:04:30 <flo> we can probably get a list of facebook notifications for facebook accounts configured in Instantbird
09:09:29 <Mic> Which is of no use if my facebook emails end up at gmx.net or web.de ... :/
09:09:46 <flo> why?
09:10:15 <Mic> 11:01:47 - flo: only the ones that are associated with IM networks
09:10:16 <Mic> 11:01:57 - flo: so Gmail, MSN/Hotmail, Yahoo, AOL
09:10:44 <flo> you asked specifically "Which email providers would you support?"
09:11:00 <flo> getting message notifications from a facebook account is not getting it from an "email provider" ;)
09:11:26 <Mic> why? Facebook sends this notifications as emails to my email service
09:11:34 <Mic> If you can't monitor this service ... 
09:11:54 <flo> the facebook notifications are also visible on your facebook page, if you are connected
09:13:49 <Mic> I think we started with email notifications?
09:14:05 <Mic> Facebook notifications were just an example for that ..
09:14:20 <Mic> .. now I've got the impression it's about Facebook integration instead
09:14:31 <flo> "email" from the user point of view, not the technical point of view
09:15:10 <flo> it's not specifically about facebook, but about not breaking links that users expect
09:15:34 <flo> people using Windows Live Messenger are used to being notified of new emails while they IM.
09:15:55 <flo> people using facebook chat from the website are instantly notified of new facebook notifcations/messages on the page they use to chat
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09:21:10 <Mic> I agree it would be nice to have such notifications
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09:49:12 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/371e17562c99 - Florian Quèze - Update the credits for Instantbird 0.2.
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10:16:11 <Mic> tymerkaev: bug 291 was closed yesterday btw
10:16:14 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291 tri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Repainting problem after changing conversation colours
10:17:10 <tymerkaev> Mic: and?
10:17:38 <Mic> I thought you added yourself to the 'watchers list' after this.. 
10:17:53 <Mic> Most likely not much is going to happen there anymore
10:18:33 <tymerkaev> never mind
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18:50:48 <Mic> evening
18:55:40 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> mic: afternoon
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19:20:02 <Mic> http://fun.drno.de/pics/signs/do_not_use_twitter.jpg ;)
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21:05:48 <Mic> flo: wasn't bug 277 fixed with your new logger?
21:05:51 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Stop logging of existing chats when option becomes set to "do not log"
21:06:13 <Mic> (it still occurs so apparantly not)
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21:11:42 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> has anyone ever thought of adding an option to "dock" the buddy list onto the conversation window?
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21:29:21 <Mic> I think it could be nice to have a tab with all your buddies, making use of the 'unlimited' (I'm exaggerating, I know) space
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21:46:39 <Mic> good night
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