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02:40:51 * Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 04:36:33 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 05:16:57 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK|AFK 05:40:28 --> BigBrownChunx has joined #instantbird 06:27:25 --> flo has joined #instantbird 06:27:26 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 06:28:10 <flo> hi :) 07:52:42 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 09:14:48 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:14:48 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:19:47 --> FStyle has joined #instantbird 09:21:26 <-- FStyle has quit (Client exited) 09:26:29 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 10:17:15 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 10:21:14 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:21:24 <Mic> hi 11:33:22 <-- BigBrownChunx has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 12:34:04 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Client exited) 12:48:49 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 13:29:16 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has left #instantbird () 15:39:02 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 16:07:39 * Gizmokid2005|AFK|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 16:07:39 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 16:20:53 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 16:56:49 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 17:10:06 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:10:21 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 17:10:25 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:11:05 * Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 17:27:27 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:42:13 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev-afk 17:43:46 --> flo has joined #instantbird 17:43:46 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 18:04:40 * tymerkaev-afk is now known as tymerkaev 18:08:28 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 19:04:09 <-- Seji has quit (Ping timeout) 19:35:23 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 20:07:36 <Mic> Some more bits of french on the blog (comment description) ("comment from Amfidiusz sent 2010-03-19 _Ã _ 09:49:32") 20:11:47 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 20:12:09 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Quit: Hi. I'm a quit message virus. Add me to your configuration file, and help me take over the world of IRC.) 20:13:05 <deOmega> hi guys... i connect to facebook using IB... and today i received a message about my account possible being suspended for activity.. does that sound familiar? 20:15:45 <deOmega> chat.facebook.com: Block! You are engaging in behavior that may be considered annoying or abusive by other users. You have been blocked from sending chat messages because you repeatedly misused this feature. This block will last anywhere from a few hours to a few days. When you are allowed to reuse this feature, please proceed with caution. Further misuse may result in your account being permanently disabled. [â¦] 20:16:29 <flo> have you done anything special with that account? 20:16:52 <deOmega> no.. not at all 20:17:10 <flo> where have you received this? 20:17:15 <deOmega> wwel, i have pasted information that the folks been asking for 20:17:22 <deOmega> long text 20:17:28 <flo> ah 20:17:43 <flo> if it was very long, maybe that's what facebook didn't like 20:18:20 <deOmega> OK....I still have no problem or anythiing using facebook or the chat though 20:18:52 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 401 filed by email@example.com. 20:18:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=401 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, instantbird.org website shows 2007-2008 copyrights (maybe 2007-2010?) 20:20:00 <deOmega> IT had alink in teh message that i think had teh word backend in the link... did not click on that 20:22:59 <flo> Mic: do you think we will ever find the bug 404 ? 20:26:22 <Mic> Your last question on bug 368 and tymerkaev's answer are good 20:26:25 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368 nor, --, 0.2b2, florian, REOP, Context menu items displaced 20:27:25 <deOmega> ok, so i have seen an option somewhere... to where one can limit the size of files sent to the limit set by the respective protocol? 20:29:40 <flo> In the future, I'd like to have a warning before sending huge messages, and a possibility to pastebin automatically the message when it's long 20:30:02 <deOmega> ah, ok. nice 20:30:48 <Mic> flo: in my opinion the thing with pastebin is, that it is 'far more public' than a usual message 20:31:13 <flo> not really 20:31:21 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 20:31:35 <flo> if we remove the display of the history, and we make the post id a hash of the content, it's not so public... 20:31:47 <flo> we could even serve it as https for additional privacy 20:32:37 <Mic> ok, a non-predictable post-id would ease much of my concerns 20:33:00 <flo> :) 20:33:35 <flo> my biggest concern is about expiration, and the lack of the content in the locally stored log, for offline browsing 20:34:59 <flo> another is a UI design problem: how do we display a message asking if sending that big message was a mistake, if the user want to send it as an IM anyway, or pastebin it? And do it automatically next time? 20:35:57 <flo> the whole point of automating the pastebin process is to save time and thoughts on the user's side. If we interrupt the user's train of thoughts with a stupid popup asking to make a decision the user couldn't care less about... it sucks :( 20:37:12 <Mic> Having a way to send something to pastebin is fine with me, but I'm not sure if I'd like some sort of automation for it 20:37:32 <flo> nobody will use it if it's not automated 20:37:54 <flo> we need to make sure it won't get in the way 20:38:45 <flo> choose a threshold that makes sense. We don't want to pastebin if the user typed 10 lines of text 20:39:07 <flo> if he pasted a few kilobytes of content, we definitely want to propose it 20:39:16 <deOmega> so, is that what some othe rmessengers use when they ask teh user if they can automatically break up teh messages? 20:39:27 <deOmega> are they using pastebin or someting of the sort? 20:39:44 <deOmega> I have seen it and it is a one tme pop-up 20:39:52 <flo> I think they just send a few messages of the maximum size allowed by the protocol 20:40:09 <flo> do you remember which IM client did that? 20:40:31 <deOmega> Hmm... i believe it was Miranda 20:44:56 <Mic> The user has some larger text to send and we think that it's not a good way to do that via normal messages 20:45:19 <Mic> Why is pastebin the thing of your choice? 20:47:11 <flo> because it's very likely to work 20:47:27 <flo> and it's appropriate when the message is something you have *pasted* 20:48:24 <flo> sending an email automatically is likely to work only "sometimes" because of spam filters, and using file transfer is ... not reliable at all when there are firewall and NAT routing involved 20:50:26 <Mic> ok, very much like I expected 20:50:46 <Mic> I would have favoured file transfers first 20:51:14 <Mic> as it seems most natural to me, but the "most likely to work" aspect is maybe most important 20:51:18 <flo> we don't have a way to make them work 20:51:34 <flo> except using a web service like rapidshare (with less ads preferably) 20:51:44 <Mic> Users are used to links and everyone has a browser so it's fine 20:52:56 <flo> by the way, I'd really like when we implement file transfers to have a fallback system that would upload the file somewhere and paste a link in the conversation 20:54:02 <Mic> Maybe even fetching the content and displaying it inline (e.g. in a collapsible (or even collapsed from the beginning) part in the conversation content area . Would depend on message themes though..) 20:54:28 <Mic> Would still not solve the problem with the logs 20:57:05 <flo> for the logs, if we really really want to address the issue, we could download it automatically and save it to the disk 20:57:20 <flo> but it probably doesn't matter all that much 21:01:04 <deOmega> I am enjoying the discussion :) 21:04:50 <Mic> After the appropriate-because-*pasted* argument I understand why MUCs have nothing to do on the buddy list and request.. 21:05:13 <Mic> .. renaming it to Bookmark-list-conversations-andconversation-partners :P (scnr) 21:06:40 <Mic> beside my typos, my keyboard starts eating characters.. time to recharge the btteries 21:10:16 <flo> Mic: the idea initially was to automate the pastebin action 21:10:27 <flo> each time I want to pastebin something, it takes way too much time 21:10:47 <flo> and the actually reason why we want to pastebin in the first place is that IM is not appropriate for a long message 21:11:29 <flo> so what about letting the IM application decide that it's better to pastebin, without having to even think about it? (except the very first time to confirm this behavior is OK) 21:12:10 <deOmega> makes sense to me :) 21:14:06 <Mic> The thing is it just can't know. If you've got a "Send to pastebin" button and/or key, it will cost not much more time to pastebin something 21:15:47 <Mic> Even though you ask one time if the user would like such a behaviour 21:16:01 <flo> we can decide that alt+enter pastebins without showing the warning (in case it the user wants to see that warning every time) 21:16:14 <Mic> I can imagine that there are enough occasions that the user forgets that it would trigger such a behaviour 21:16:40 <Mic> even though he has been asked about exactly this thing before 21:16:56 <flo> the user would have to check a "always do this" checkbox 21:17:31 <flo> so the user can take as much time he want to decide that pastebin is almost always the good action 21:17:42 <Mic> That's extra 10 seconds to read and check but won't make much difference once he's done that in my opinion 21:18:23 <flo> you mean the user will check "allways do this" *and* forget about the pastebin behavior? 21:19:31 <Mic> Checking a checkbox doesn't make sure that you always keep in mind that "things could end up on the web" depending on what you do 21:20:27 <flo> well 21:20:32 <flo> it ends up on a website 21:20:40 <flo> not on a google crawlable page 21:21:07 <flo> so you are "safe", except if the person receiving the link sends it to someone else... which is the same problem as copying an IM 21:21:34 <flo> well, except if you don't trust the owner of the pastebin server (but it's the same issue with the owner of your IM network) 21:24:34 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 21:28:17 <Mic> To me it appears that you're sort of counting on that the user is either sure that his content is reasonable safe or that he just doesn't care 21:28:55 <Mic> With the measures mentioned above, I think it is reasonable safe 21:29:42 <Mic> you've just got to convince people that something that is accessible by a link like any page on the web is safe 21:31:02 <flo> do you think people who post photos on facebook is scared by the safety of a link? 21:31:17 <Mic> -just (Note to myself: stop over-using 'just';) 21:33:30 <flo> do you think people care all that much about privacy by the way? 21:33:34 <flo> *we* do care a lot 21:33:58 <flo> (that's why we are having this discussion) 21:34:02 <flo> but the average user... 21:38:47 <flo> anyway, it's late. Good night! :) 21:39:28 <Mic> same for me 21:39:29 <Mic> good night 21:40:19 <Mic> "[x] conduct this conversation via Twitter" 21:40:21 <Mic> ;) 21:40:23 <Mic> nn 21:41:01 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 22:05:10 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 22:20:18 <-- deOmega has quit (Ping timeout) 23:24:38 --> Seji has joined #instantbird