#instantbird log on 03 24 2010

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10:36:23 <Mic> hi
10:40:23 <gaspo> hi
10:53:11 <Amfi> hi
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11:28:30 <Mic> Here's a first sketch of an article that should hold a list with frequently used terms and a definition for each of it
11:28:32 <Mic> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Using_terms_consistently
11:29:19 <Mic> It should help to refer to the same thing with the same words every time which makes it easier to avoid confusion
11:29:39 <Mic> Feel free to add any ideas, suggestion or talk about it
11:29:46 <Mic> *suggestions
11:34:14 <Amfi> How would you like to keep that multilingual?
11:38:27 <Amfi> Wouldn't it be better to provide users with a simple proper documentation in every lang?
11:41:38 <Mic> hmm?
11:41:47 <Mic> What's this is about is:
11:41:58 <Mic> Say "buddy" when you mean one
11:42:11 <Mic> Not "contact" if you mean "buddy" and so on ..
11:42:52 <Mic> There should be an unambiguous definition for each term
11:43:10 <Mic> gtg
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11:51:22 <gaspo> I just saw this in brainstorm pref window..:
11:51:22 <gaspo> Find a shorter wording for the sounds preference.
11:52:12 <gaspo> I think "enable sounds" its short enough, no? :) 
11:58:20 <Amfi> I don't think whether it's about enabling/disabling the sound but rather about choosing a sound theme.
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12:20:59 <flo> Mic: (for when he is back) my intuition about bug 396 is that the user has installed strantini instant, and is hitting bug 375
12:21:02 <instantbot> flo: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, No text.
12:21:03 <instantbot> flo: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375 nor, --, 0.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Split the instantbird skin package to remove defaults from 3rd party themes.
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13:04:26 <Mic> hi
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13:13:52 <Mic> Amfi: even (or especially) when writing a proper documentation you should keep an eye on how you phrase things. 
13:14:16 <Mic> It doesn't help if the user has to think about what you meant with something when you could have stated it clearly and unambiguous in first place
13:14:55 <Amfi> sure, i fully agree
13:16:06 <Amfi> However, i would prefer to see separate documentations for each lang instead of one page on wiki in all supported languages.
13:16:30 <Amfi> A kind of F1 with index and grouped FAQs.
13:18:48 <Mic> The page I started is only targeted at developers
13:19:05 <Mic> It should contain a table with content like this: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/208
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13:20:18 <Mic> The idea is to exactly know what is meant when writing about things (eg on bug reports) or labelling/describing UI elements 
13:20:46 <Amfi> oh, it's just for developers! that is the part that explains everything!
13:20:55 <Amfi> moreover, i like the idea ;)
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14:16:52 <r0bin> Afternoon
14:21:49 <Chaz6> G'day
14:24:31 <flo> hi :)
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14:31:56 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 292 to bug 393.
14:31:57 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 292 on bug 393.
14:31:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393 min, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Setting the delay for "idle after..." allows a value of zero minutes
14:32:24 <Mic> Minor bug fixing ;)
14:33:18 <flo> the patch isn't too complicated :)
14:33:59 <flo> what happens if from about:config you set a value of for example 5? (the value stored in the preferences is in seconds, and we display it in minutes in the UI)
14:35:45 <Mic> It gets rounded
14:35:57 <Mic> And the constraint is respected
14:36:13 <Mic> So 5 seconds gives 1 minute on the UI
14:36:15 <flo> so will the simple fact of opening the prefwindow change the value of the setting?
14:36:24 <Mic> 91 seconds gives 2 minutes
14:37:22 <Mic> I haven't checked yet
14:37:47 <Mic> no
14:37:57 <Mic> It's kept until you enter something
14:38:04 <flo> perfect! :)
14:38:10 <Mic> Just focusing the field doesn't change anything either
14:38:46 <flo> you are not testing this on Windows (where changes are applied only when clicking "Ok"), right?
14:38:56 <Mic> I'm testing it on Ubuntu
14:39:02 <flo> :)
14:39:02 <Mic> ie "instantApply"
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15:03:14 <miglaugh> Is there a known issue with the beta release failing to launch?
15:03:21 <flo> no
15:03:24 <flo> which OS?
15:03:32 <miglaugh> Windows
15:03:37 <miglaugh> Xp
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15:04:06 <miglaugh> word
15:04:07 <flo> what do you mean by "failing to launch"?
15:04:14 <miglaugh> Works
15:04:56 <miglaugh> But when either the auto installing update occurs or if I dl the 0.2 release and unpack manually. Instantbird won't launch
15:05:21 <flo> auto installing update?
15:05:32 <miglaugh> Not launching means the exe pops up in process explored for a second and dies. No ui ever shows up.
15:05:57 <flo> not even the crash reporter, or an error message?
15:06:26 <miglaugh> Nothing, blank screen
15:08:31 <miglaugh> Could there be some profile stuff that's incompatible between versions? I haven't tried cleaning the system 100% of instantbird traces and starting fresh.
15:09:13 <flo> the only time I've seen something that completely prevented the UI from showing, it was a buggy DLL in the system. A logitech mouse driver I think.
15:09:56 <miglaugh> Hmmm, interesting. I'll take a look around.
15:10:57 <miglaugh> This is the first IM client I've run into that can handle MSN without exploding every 2 minutes. Keep up the good work.
15:11:10 <flo> :)
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15:36:48 <flo> a tutorial to explain how to click "next" on each step of the installer. I can't believe it :-D http://im.about.com/od/downloads/ss/instantbird-download-for-windows.htm
15:39:08 <Amfi> Well... :D
15:39:25 <Amfi> At least they've mentioned thhat ib is exciting ;)
15:39:32 <flo> yes :)
15:40:14 <Amfi> So who is Courtesy?
15:40:45 <flo> and it's visible at http://im.about.com/
15:41:06 <Mic> Courtesy is not a name
15:41:33 <Amfi> Damn, i thought it was a nickname xD
15:41:47 <Mic> ;)
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15:50:31 <miglaugh> Fwiw, running 0.2 beta launched sucessfully after i deleted the profiles and stuff under 'application data'.
15:50:53 <flo> surprising
15:51:02 <flo> but... great for you I guess :)
15:51:07 <miglaugh> Guess there was something hidden under the old profile it didn't like.
15:51:25 <miglaugh> Yep works like a charm now.
15:51:29 <flo> :)
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15:52:30 <Mic> flo: Is extensions.enabledItems a 'reliable' source? That is: is it containing a correct value in any case?
15:52:45 <flo> I don't know
15:53:09 <Mic> ok .. I would have used it to filter enabled/disabled themes
15:53:21 <Mic> Let's see..
15:53:49 * flo suggests looking in the source code with mxr
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16:11:29 <Mic> flo: have you noticed the progress on a new extension manager?
16:11:45 <flo> yes
16:12:38 <flo> I think I even posted a link here to the post announcing add-on installation without restart :)
16:33:47 * Mic just scanned over a "future notifications" article and wonders when the first megapixel-icons will be introduced :/
16:34:07 <Chaz6> Who cares, we already have svg icons :)
16:34:14 <Chaz6> I'm still looking forward to ultra-high dpi displays
16:34:33 <Mic> Sure, but we don't have that now ..
16:34:53 <Mic> It might look nice on big screens but there are still people having lower resolutions
16:36:15 <Chaz6> svg should display just as well in any resolution, at least no worse than a regular bitmap image
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16:36:46 <Mic> exactly
16:37:21 <Mic> Unfortunately you can't do some things that you can with bitmaps
16:38:07 <Mic> gtg
16:38:11 <Mic> good bye
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19:43:48 <Mic> ' evening
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