#instantbird log on 03 19 2010

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08:05:38 <flo> hi :)
08:10:14 <Amfi> :)
08:13:58 <flo> the release directory weights 294MB!!
08:25:09 <Amfi> and it's just the beginning ;)
08:26:50 <flo> ah?
08:27:48 <flo> are you taking bets on how much time it will take to have enough locales to have each release weight more than 1GB? :)
08:38:59 <Amfi> 1 language per month so far. I won't take long to get 1gb..
08:39:14 <flo> which language next? :)
08:39:31 <Amfi> probably deutsche sprache
08:39:55 <Amfi> on the other hand, most common localizations (en, pl and ru) are already done :D
08:40:07 <flo> fr ! :-P
08:40:22 <Amfi> who cares :D
08:40:31 <flo> there are screenshots of a localized Instantbird on this page: http://www.mozilla.sk/doplnky/instantbird/
08:40:53 <flo> we should probably contact them to help them make their translation "official" :)
08:41:29 <Amfi> nice! but isn't it just a mockup?
08:41:35 <flo> I don't think so
08:42:00 <flo> I think they have changed strings directly in the en-US.jar file of the 0.1.1 release
08:42:23 <flo> and as doing it this way is a real pain to maintain, they probably couldn't find the motivation to upgrade it for each release
08:46:23 <Amfi> on the polish mozilla board there is not mention about instantbird..
08:46:43 <flo> we are not officially supported by the mozilla foundation
08:46:49 <Amfi> i will try to promote the project there once we've got the polish beta ready
08:47:00 <flo> :)
08:47:02 <Amfi> yeah, but still you base on the mozilla engine
08:47:25 <Amfi> if you were supported by mozilla, then we would not be able to translate IB :P
08:47:34 <Amfi> so i'm kinda glad how it is :)
08:48:44 <flo> why wouldn't you be able to do it?
08:50:03 <Amfi> we've got a group in poland which became kind of an official translators of mozilla products
08:50:11 <Amfi> http://www.aviary.pl/
08:50:27 <Amfi> mozilla is outsourcing all their tranlastions to that group
08:51:20 <flo> and is it impossible to join that group?
08:51:35 <flo> in France the mozilla translations are done by frenchmozilla, but it's a welcoming bunch of people :)
08:51:43 <flo> (busy though...)
08:52:45 <Amfi> i don't think it would be difficult but i'm not sure if i would find myself comfortable in such a big group.
09:01:51 <Amfi> http://instantbirdmac.goofull.com/nl/ - check out the recommended req ;)
09:04:44 topic changed by flo to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b2. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/."
09:05:34 <flo> Amfi: it's almost correct
09:05:58 <flo> except "Core 2 Duo" which could be replaced with "Core Duo" (the CPU in the first generation of Mac Intel machines)
09:09:43 <flo> anything that needs to be fixed in that before I post it on the blog? http://pastebin.instantbird.com/206
09:34:43 <Amfi> on the website, "see ChangeLog since 0.2 Alpha 1 for details" - shouldn't it be 0.2a1-b2?
09:35:06 <flo> will anybody be interested in that specific changelog anyway? :)
09:35:11 <Amfi> oh, no. these are changes in b1 
09:35:30 <Amfi> i don't know, i like to be pedantic as far as websites are concerned ;)
09:39:07 <flo> yeah, it's better to be pedantic first, and then to evaluate the importance of the issue
09:39:22 <flo> rather than just ignore anything that may not be perfect, and never finish anything :)
09:42:10 <flo> ok, I'll change the link label to "ChangeLog between 0.2 Alpha 1 and 0.2 beta 1"
09:55:17 <flo> http://blog.instantbird.org/a15-instantbird-0-2-beta-2-released-in-4-languages.html
09:59:38 <flo> Amfi: auto-congratulation? :)
09:59:57 <Amfi> yeah, somehow :D
10:00:11 <flo> bah, it never hurts ;)
10:01:16 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org/ :
10:01:17 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/n15-instantbird-0-2-beta-2-released-in-4-languages.html - Instantbird 0.2 beta 2 released in 4 languages!
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10:46:11 <Mic> hej hej
10:46:42 <tymerkaev> Hello Mic
10:47:27 <Mic> Morian: instantbot either doesn't seem to log right now or something on the background fails to create the webpage containing it
10:47:54 <Mic> The page is completely empty so probably the latter?
10:53:10 <Amfi> finally some privacy on irc :D
10:58:39 <Morian> mmmmh
10:59:08 <Morian> sounds strange
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11:02:10 <Morian> sounds like a php error
11:05:33 <Mic> Flamewar on php, anyone?
11:07:32 <Morian> found, the file had bad permissions
11:07:50 <Morian> and I don't know why ... it may happen tomorrow too ... we'll see
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11:38:23 <Amfi> looking at the minimize to tray addon...
11:38:45 <Amfi> shouldnt' it get automatically translated in polish build?
11:39:00 <Amfi> locale mintrayr pl-PL jar:chrome/mintrayr.jar!/locale/pl-PL/
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13:10:56 <Mic> flo: will the release be shipped with a localized spell checker or do people have to download the dictionary themselves?
13:41:01 <Chaz6> I have a buddy on gtalk that shows up when i log into gmail, but not in instantbird. any ideas?
13:41:54 <Chaz6> I tried adding it again in instantbird but it still doesn't appear
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14:27:49 <Mic> Chaz6: do you have anything on the error console?
14:29:16 <Mic> (after trying to add him/her)
14:29:23 <Chaz6> Let me check
14:30:48 <Chaz6> Warning: xmlParseChunk returned warning 100
14:31:08 <Mic> Where exactly?
14:31:19 <Chaz6> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/raw-file/11d5ef85f763/purple/libpurple/protocols/jabber/parser.c:269
14:31:23 <Mic> ah
14:35:45 <Mic> "Warning 100" is definedat  http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/3aba6c530054/purple/libraries/xml2/xmlerror.h#l198
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14:44:37 <Mic> well, no idea
15:20:40 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 384 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
15:20:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Failed to load XPCOM component 'libmozgnome'" message on the error console
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15:54:09 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 385 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
15:54:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Rejoin IRC channels after reconnect
15:55:14 <flo> "<Mic> flo: will the release be shipped with a localized spell checker". Yes.
15:55:28 <Mic> I knew you would read the logs :)
15:55:49 <Mic> welcome back btw
15:55:57 <flo> heh, on a release day it was very likely ;)
15:58:50 <Mic> Reading the logs does not suffice..
15:58:58 <Mic> Fixing the .. ahem. scnr
15:59:18 <Mic> So today is the day :)
15:59:41 <Mic> Nice, congratulations. It's such a big step between the last and this release
16:00:24 <tymerkaev> flo: How preferences window -> "Privacy" look on your Mac?
16:00:50 <flo> Mic: we released beta2, not 0.2 final ;)
16:01:02 <Mic> oh, ok..
16:01:20 <flo> Amfi: about the translation of the add-on...
16:01:37 <flo> if I knew that yesterday, I would have created another set of release candidates for this bug
16:01:56 <flo> I know the fix. It's the same problem that causes the user agent in the about dialog to show "en-US" as the locale
16:02:50 <flo> if you want to check that the add-on is correctly translated and will appear translated once the bug is fixed, you can change the value of general.useragent.locale from about:config
16:03:15 <tymerkaev> flo: Please send me screenshot how it look on your Mac.
16:04:25 <flo> tymerkaev: http://queze.net/goinfre/prefwindow-privacy-mac.png
16:04:45 <tymerkaev> flo: ok, thanks
16:05:16 <tymerkaev> no bug
16:06:55 <tymerkaev> flo: any news about Instantbird "minimize to tray"?
16:07:08 <flo> no
16:07:13 <tymerkaev> why
16:07:29 <flo> because it's a lot of boring work, and nobody has decided to work on it
16:08:57 <tymerkaev> ah. Even you?
16:09:16 <flo> I spent a few days on it around June last year
16:09:28 <flo> I stopped before being completely depressed :-P
16:09:57 <flo> and finishing the message theme system and working on the new tabs was higher priority
16:13:23 <tymerkaev> flo: Maybe you should ask for help Nils Maier?
16:14:17 <tymerkaev> flo: he is creator of MinimizeToTray revived addon
16:23:36 <Mic> bye
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16:30:14 <tymerkaev> afaik
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16:51:59 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 281 on bug 338.
16:52:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338 tri, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Notification bar above the 'no accounts' message
17:08:39 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 282 on bug 363.
17:08:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363 tri, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Loading the Themes prefpane is slow
17:14:11 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 283 on bug 380.
17:14:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=380 enh, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Show findbar on log viewer content
17:41:40 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a1d16690c3ce - Florian Quèze - Make the tree twisty before the group names look less 'packed' in the buddy list (Windows only).
17:41:41 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/fa97f068458a - Benedikt P. - Bug 338 - Notification bar should never appear above the 'no accounts' message. r=fqueze
17:41:42 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e24e80bd35aa - Benedikt P. - Bug 363 - Fetch the list of add-ons only once while initializing the Themes prefpane. r=fqueze
17:41:43 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e71251252100 - Florian Quèze - Remove duplicated 'general.useragent.locale' that wasn't changed during l10n repackaging.
17:41:44 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0924d8a8f28b - Quentin Castier - Reduce the margin-top of the first message in an event bubble
17:42:16 <flo> wow, instantbot was very quick on that push :)
17:42:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 363 to FIXED.
17:43:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363 tri, --, 0.2, leeraccount, RESO FIXED, Loading the Themes prefpane is slow
17:43:37 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 338 to FIXED.
17:43:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338 tri, --, 0.2, leeraccount, RESO FIXED, Notification bar above the 'no accounts' message
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17:47:07 <vicnet> hello everyone :)
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20:43:17 <Mic> Following the link "Get more search engines" leads to an empty page on AIO, maybe we should add just a few there (which?)
20:44:46 <Mic> Even: The link "Instantbird's developer center" is pointing to "developer.mozilla.org" (see https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/browse/type:4 )
20:45:43 <Mic> I guess changing the label would be good
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20:49:10 <Mic> flo: the setting "check my spelling as I type" doesn't change anything
20:49:28 <Mic> Not even after restarting the application
20:51:57 <Mic> Enabling "Search as I type" doesn't affect an already focused conversations browser, takes changing the focus away and back to work
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20:55:44 <flo> hi :)
20:56:33 <avrj> hello
20:59:52 <Mic> "Use separate windows for multi-user chats" means most likely "one each" ?
21:00:34 <Mic> hmm, apparantly it's a separate window for all MUCs?
21:00:44 <Mic> (ie "all in one")
21:01:02 <flo> it means that it will never put a chat in a window that contain IM conversations, and never put an IM conv in a window with MUCs 
21:01:39 <vicnet> shouldn't it say "use a separate window" then ?
21:02:39 <Mic> Maybe clarify this somehow .. 
21:03:02 <Mic> btw shouldn't it create a completely new window if I move a chat to the MUC window and a MUC to the chats window?
21:03:28 <Mic> (ie having two windows containing both types)
21:06:20 <flo> if you are intentionally messing things around, it's your problem if something breaks ;)
21:08:36 <Mic> hmm, hmm. Do you think so?
21:09:03 <flo> Mic: if you break it, it's your problem if it's broken.
21:09:15 <flo> it should just not completely blow up ;).
21:09:37 <flo> if you break intentionally which tab goes in which window, only that should be broken :)
21:10:39 <Mic> What about "Group conversations and MUCs in separate windows"? 
21:10:40 <flo> avrj told me he is interested in translating Instantbird to finnish.
21:10:51 <Mic> Cool :) 
21:10:52 <vicnet> hurray!
21:10:58 <flo> I think some of you may help in introducing him to the process ;)
21:11:28 <Mic> I think such a description would be less ambiguous as it is right now
21:11:45 <avrj> yeah, just to get started :P
21:13:09 <Mic> (And maybe add a comment like "Attention: this feature is not user-meddling proof";) 
21:13:58 <Mic> Is there a way to make sure text is visible on a certain background?
21:14:08 * flo suggest creating an add-on to add "scnr" at the end of Mic's sentences that finish with an emoticon
21:14:24 <flo> hmm, probably not
21:14:40 <flo> especially if the background is an image with varying colors
21:14:42 <Mic> I just set inverted colors (black background and white font) and was surprised that it is applied to the text input box as well
21:15:01 <Mic> Unfortunately it doesn't change the background color of the input box, so the text was not visible
21:16:05 <flo> arg
21:16:15 <Mic> Shall I further spam the channel or start filing bug?
21:16:20 <Mic> *bugs
21:16:26 <flo> both?
21:16:51 <Mic> hmm, hmm. I was planning to go to bed before midnight .. ;)
21:17:24 <flo> oh by the way, have you seen: https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a1d16690c3ce ?
21:17:43 <Mic> :D
21:17:50 <Mic> No, not yet ..
21:18:23 <flo> I mean, just the commit message announced by instantbot, not the result (that will be tomorrow)
21:18:48 <Mic> I was gone for a while and haven't checked the log yet
21:19:04 <vicnet> avrj, do you know how to use mercurial?
21:20:16 <flo> Mic: I'm sure I would have agreed relatively quickly in fixing that if you had told me there was something broken on Windows, instead of saying "the new margins are horrible, we should revert to the old ones" ;)
21:20:43 <flo> it was really a bug, not intentional :)
21:20:44 <Mic> ok, I'll remember this for the future
21:20:52 <avrj> vicnet: i haven't used it before but i have read instantbird's wiki so i think im going to learn very quick how to use it
21:21:07 <flo> and I had no idea what you were complaining about until seeing on Windows
21:21:23 <flo> *seeing it
21:21:32 <flo> avrj: I can create the fi mercurial repository for you tomorrow, and import in it the libpurple translations.
21:21:34 <Mic> I would have guessed I posted a screenshot back then?
21:22:05 <vicnet> that's good. if you'd like you could check out the instantbird source code to take a look at the en-US locale files
21:22:07 <flo> I'm almost sure you did
21:22:16 <flo> but if I didn't know what to look at... :-/
21:24:18 <flo> avrj: I'll need the information to add a line on this page: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Locales_Managers So your full name and your email address (if you don't mind it being listed on a public page)
21:24:35 <avrj> flo: great, i'll get back to it tomorrow :P
21:24:37 <vicnet> or you could just look on http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/ :)
21:25:35 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 386 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
21:25:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Font color in conversation input box
21:28:55 <vicnet> avrj, a great resource to get started with mercurial can be found there -> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Tutorial
21:29:16 <vicnet> that's where I learned how to use it myself
21:30:16 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 387 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
21:30:17 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 291 to bug 387.
21:30:17 <vicnet> (unless you wish to use TortoiseHG as explained on the Instantbird wiki)
21:30:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make wording of "Use separate windows.." setting less ambiguous
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21:31:08 <avrj> i think im going to start with tortoisehg
21:32:03 <vicnet> alright then, nevermind what I said. That link is about using mercurial through the command-line
21:32:04 <Amfi> btw, is there any way to remember username and password in tortoisehg?
21:33:50 <instantbot> New Websites - Addons.instantbird.org bug 388 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
21:33:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388 min, --, ---, raynaudquentin, NEW, Add search engines to AIO (problem: none there at the moment)
21:37:22 <instantbot> New Websites - Addons.instantbird.org bug 389 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
21:37:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389 tri, --, ---, raynaudquentin, NEW, "http://developer.mozilla.org" being referred to as  "Instantbird's developer center"
21:37:28 <vicnet> Amfi, apparently there is a Mercurial.ini file you can edit in your user profile. I'm assuming you would enter it there if you can't do it with the GUI…
21:38:04 <Mic> Bugzilla complained that I exceeded my quota of owned bugs.. ;)
21:38:14 <Mic> ok, just kiddin'..
21:38:19 <Mic> *reported bugs
21:38:22 <flo> +"scnr" :-P
21:38:32 <Mic> exactly
21:38:33 <vicnet> I don't personnally use it though, so I can't help you any further…
21:39:26 <Amfi> ok, thanks. I will try to look at it.
21:41:36 <vicnet> apparently you can also use http://pypi.python.org/pypi/mercurial_keyring but I don't know how that would work either… I read about it on http://tortoisehg.bitbucket.org/manual/1.0/extensions.html
21:45:08 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 390 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
21:45:09 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de requested blocking0.2 from the wind on bug 390.
21:45:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Check my spelling as I type" not functioning at all
21:50:13 <Mic> flo: can you create a new IRC account, skip through the pages, disable the "Connect this account" checkmark and have a look if the error message "Password required" shows up for you as well when being back at the account manager?
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21:58:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 391 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
21:58:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, "Password required" for newly created IRC accounts
21:59:12 <Mic> bah, I should have done such a testing session a long time ago :S
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22:11:55 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 392 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
22:11:56 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de requested blocking0.2 from the wind on bug 392.
22:11:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Send typing notifications" setting doesn't work
22:13:31 <flo> uh, so nothing works this evening it seems? :-D
22:17:02 <Mic>  Maybe it's just me doing something wrong
22:20:59 <Mic> Is "after _0_ minutes of inactivity" something special or should 1 be the lowest value possible?
22:21:28 <Mic> (I thought it was 1 last time I checked on Ubuntu ..)
22:31:57 <flo> hmm
22:32:11 <flo> 0 probably disables the timer
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22:35:30 <Mic> That's in the end the same as disabling the inactivity status completely? 
22:36:13 <flo> I think so
22:36:25 <Mic> then I'd say we put a min="1" on this field
22:37:06 <Mic> Having a value that does the same as unchecking the setting seems not good to me
22:38:12 <Mic> especially since it doesn't disable the "sub-options" as unchecking would do
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22:42:58 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 393 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
22:43:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Set status to away" setting allows a delay of "0"
23:11:45 <flo> good night :)
23:16:56 <vicnet> good night flo :)
23:44:03 <Mic> good night
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