#instantbird log on 03 15 2010

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08:46:48 <tymerkaev> flo: Can you help me?
08:47:20 <flo> ask your question
08:48:43 <tymerkaev> I create a smiley theme but it doesn't work. Can you see where I was wrong please?
08:50:51 <tymerkaev> hey
08:51:22 <tymerkaev> flo: hey
08:52:12 <flo> yes
08:53:06 <tymerkaev> flo: ok
08:53:38 <tymerkaev> flo: check your mailbox
09:03:07 <tymerkaev> flo: What's up?
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09:23:27 <flo> tymerkaev: testing now
09:25:16 <flo> Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIJSON.decodeFromStream]"  location: "JS frame :: file:/// ... /InstantbirdDebug.app/Contents/MacOS/modules/imSmileys.jsm :: getTheme :: line 123"  data: no]
09:25:26 <flo> your themes.js file is not a valid JSON file
09:27:03 <flo> tymerkaev: replace :-\ by :-\\, :\ by :\\ and remove the , at the end of sealed.gif line
09:31:50 <tymerkaev> flo: thanks
09:32:13 <flo> in the future, I suggest you use http://www.jslint.com/ to validate your file ;)
09:32:18 <flo> it will save you a lot of debugging time
09:32:50 <tymerkaev> flo: thank you
09:33:00 <flo> np
09:34:28 <tymerkaev> I'm going to upload it on addons.instantbird.org ;)
09:34:40 <flo> :)
09:35:12 <flo> we should probably add a link to jslint in the wiki page about smiley themes creation
09:46:56 <tymerkaev> flo: It would be nice ;)
09:47:07 <tymerkaev> flo: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/229/
09:57:38 <flo> :)
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10:10:19 <Mic> hi
10:16:40 <Mic> <flo> does it make sense to have Ctrl+f (f = find) for the findbar in localized builds?
10:17:33 <Mic> well... if you want to make some common function like find available through shortcut I think you should stick to something that people know
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10:30:03 <Amfi> Mic: you took it out of the context.
10:30:32 <Wareczek> yo Amfi :)
10:31:02 <tymerkaev> Hi Wareczek 
10:31:08 <Amfi> Wareczek: I can see you become a frequent guest in here :)
10:31:44 <Wareczek> because of auto connection on starting ib :P
10:31:46 <Mic> Amfi: why do you think so?
10:32:25 <Amfi> Mic: Nobody wants ctrl+f to be replaced by any other shortcut.
10:32:55 <Mic> Sorry.
10:33:08 <Amfi> Heh, I have waited almost a month to get smileys accepted on addons :P
10:33:47 <Mic> What I wanted to say is: while you shouldn't change "system wide" shortcuts, most likely no user will ever care when you change Instantbird specific shortcuts in localized builds
10:34:10 <Mic> I just implied the second part
10:34:26 <tymerkaev> Wareczek: Can you change time of automatic transition to Idle mode in preferences?
10:34:53 <Amfi> To make it simple, your stand is to leave ctrl+f and localize away & dnd commands?
10:36:10 <Wareczek> tymerkaev: no, i can't
10:36:28 <Mic> I wouldn't like commands like "/weg" (away),  "/bns" ("bitte nicht stören"=dnd) in a german build but that's most likely different with other users
10:36:40 <Mic> So I'd say localize them if it helps someone...
10:37:51 <Mic> If you do "ctrl-shift-k" to access the accounts  ("_K_onten") manager in german, it makes sense
10:38:09 <tymerkaev> Wareczek: hmm, that's new bug
10:38:33 <Mic> On the other hand: do shortcuts have to make sense? ctrl-z,x,c,v were chosen because they are grouped at a corner of the keyboard (english..)
10:40:33 <Mic> If you've got to try to think what a shortcut is, you could as well have accessed the item from a menu
10:41:15 <Mic> Shortcuts is something you have to know by heart to use them efficiently. Having some "derivable" letter or combination helps during learning them at best
10:42:02 <Wareczek> Mic: and you want to localize them or not?
10:43:46 <Mic> I don't care.
10:44:00 <Mic> I just wanted to say why it doesn't matter in my opinion.
11:05:47 <flo> "11:33:10 - Amfi: Heh, I have waited almost a month to get smileys accepted on addons :P" in this case, ping Even. He is the one who does the approvals.
11:07:20 <flo> "If you've got to try to think what a shortcut is, you could as well have accessed the item from a menu" that's usually by going to the menu that you discover the screenshot. Having a meaningful letter makes it easy to remember
11:09:07 <Amfi> flo: i don't really mind when it's approved ;)
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14:33:17 <robinduckett> Hey peeps
14:33:20 <robinduckett> Anyone awake
14:33:21 <robinduckett> ?
14:39:04 <Mic> Hello
14:39:05 <robinduckett> Can I interest you sirs in some pure JS code for handling authentication for MSNP15+?
14:39:16 <robinduckett> libpurple still uses code from years ago
14:39:18 <Chaz6> Hey, that sounds interesting
14:39:22 <Chaz6> There is also msn-pecan
14:40:13 <robinduckett> does instantbird support that?
14:40:17 <Mic> You should talk to flo about that
14:40:47 <Mic> One of the msn-pecan developers compiled it for Instantbird once if I recall correctly
14:40:48 <Chaz6> Not yet, needs compiling 
14:40:58 <Chaz6> Aha
14:41:11 <robinduckett> I see
14:41:14 <Mic> Javascript protocol plugins are scheduled for 0.3 afaik
14:41:23 <robinduckett> That's cool
14:41:24 <Mic> Let me get the link to the roadmapo
14:42:11 <robinduckett> I've pretty much got the whole thing working, took a whikle
14:42:39 <robinduckett> Was using some bunk Crypto libraries
14:42:44 <Mic> hmm, it's not in the roadmap but I think it was 0.3 that it was intended to be included
14:42:45 <robinduckett> for hmacsha1
14:42:55 <Mic> Roadmap: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap
14:43:06 <Mic> You should talk to "flo" about these things
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14:43:13 <robinduckett> Who si "flo"? :P
14:44:21 <Mic> He's just not here right now
14:44:28 <Mic> His nickname is "flo" actually
14:44:31 <robinduckett> I see
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14:44:44 <Chaz6> Speak of the devil
14:44:58 <Mic> I wouldn't bet that it is just coincidence ;)
14:45:02 <robinduckett> heh
14:45:18 <Mic> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/091113/
14:45:35 <robinduckett> ?
14:45:37 <Mic> At the end of this log, there's some talk about javascript protocol extensions
14:45:43 <robinduckett> ah
14:46:12 <Mic> hmm, it's not more then "we'll have it with 0.3" as it seems
14:46:17 <robinduckett> well libpurple implements MSNP8, and the most recent WLM client implements MSNP18
14:46:39 <Mic> flo: here's someone with a question
14:46:39 <robinduckett> MSNP8 is the only third party supported protocol
14:46:57 <robinduckett> and they just killed MSNP9 altogether
14:47:17 <flo> robinduckett: libpurple has 2 implementations, the newest is MSNP15 or 16 I think
14:47:20 <Chaz6> Do you know of any document listing the versions and the changes?
14:47:29 <robinduckett> flo: Is that in the beta
14:47:30 <robinduckett> ?
14:47:35 <robinduckett> Chaz6: google msnpiki
14:47:39 <flo> I think so
14:47:46 <robinduckett> http://msnpiki.msnfanatic.com/index.php/Main_Page
14:47:52 <Chaz6> Thanks
14:47:54 <robinduckett> np
14:48:01 <Mic> Chaz6: have a look at the related links on the wiki, there's a link to some sort of protocol-documentation wiki
14:48:06 <flo> but anyway, I would love to replace the JS protocol plugin by a component implemented in JavaScript
14:48:09 <robinduckett> flo: ah, I downloaded a nightly about two weeks ago and it was still MSNP8 code
14:48:12 <Mic> I haven't had a look at it, can't tell how extensive it is
14:48:53 <robinduckett> (of libpurple)
14:48:57 <robinduckett> JS protocol plugin?
14:49:18 <flo> oops, sorry
14:49:27 <flo> I meant replace the libpurple protocol plugin
14:49:32 <robinduckett> ah right
14:50:10 <robinduckett> I've only got experience with the MSN protocol lol
14:50:27 <Chaz6> you mean scrap libpurple altogether?
14:51:00 <robinduckett> yeah if all your protocols were done in JS you might be able to get away with not compiling anything :P
14:51:25 <robinduckett> flo: would you like my code for MBI?
14:51:32 <flo> Chaz6: I meant that JavaScript doesn't crash.
14:52:02 <flo> MBI means?
14:52:14 <robinduckett> MBI is how the server authenticates your token
14:52:24 <robinduckett> for single sign on
14:52:56 <flo> why not? :)
14:53:40 <robinduckett> kk let me clean up some stuff
14:55:00 <flo> no rush ;). We are unlikely to work on this before 0.2 final is released
14:57:28 <robinduckett> Literally got it working about an hour go after about two weeks of keeping a lid on it
14:58:18 <robinduckett> and I'm in work at the moment
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15:44:47 <deOmega> hi, does anyone know how to make one's text in messages bold?
15:45:11 <deOmega> lol... instant messaging
15:52:41 <Amfi> Do you plan to update the instantbird.org site? 
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19:54:46 <flo> "<Amfi> Do you plan to update the instantbird.org site?" We won't update it with the same content but up to date. The wiki is way better for most of that
19:55:01 <flo> we will probably do something with this website at some point, but I don't know what yet
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19:55:26 <flo> maybe a few pages explaining the long term goals of the project
19:57:22 <Amfi> i believe it should contain information that will not change very often..
19:57:36 <Amfi> as the roadmap and useful links
19:58:02 <flo> the roadmap typically changes ;)
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20:16:01 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): if the site where more updated and if instandbird relese where shorted inrealese span think people would be more inclined to help out with the project
20:18:52 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/623bb1ed7161 - Florian Quèze - Ship fr, pl and ru locales by default for 0.2b2.
20:18:53 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b11c2a368850 - Florian Quèze - Produce Windows installer, and do l10n repackaging during 'make package'.
20:18:54 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/156d037f88e9 - Florian Quèze - Produce Windows installer, and do l10n repackaging during 'make package'.
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20:22:04 <DGMurdockIII> when the install for the nightly build has the abilitie to update to newer nightly build that when i wil start using the the installer build reason is i want to make sure the installer build get enought testing
20:22:09 <DGMurdockIII> as well
20:23:42 <flo> http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2010/03/Look-Ma-no-restarts :)
20:23:53 * flo is excited
20:24:04 <flo> apparently I won't have to code it myself! :)
20:25:18 <flo> DGMurdockIII: starting tomorrow (if I haven't messed up my last commit), there will be an installer for each nightly
20:25:39 <flo> an installed nightly is exactly like an unzip nightly from the update system's point of view
20:25:51 <flo> *unzipped
20:25:58 <DGMurdockIII> so i have to get a new installer for each nightly verson
20:26:10 <flo> no!
20:26:21 <DGMurdockIII> or i just have to get it once then i can use the update
20:26:32 <DGMurdockIII> system in instantbird
20:28:42 <DGMurdockIII> becse i like the way the nightly system work now just that i want to make sure ever think work ok with the installer that you did not miss anything there no rare bug that dont happpen on you pc
20:29:40 <DGMurdockIII> but i just don t want to have to redownload the full install to update ulewss there has been a change to the installer
20:29:48 <flo> you will have updates from the update system
20:31:25 <DGMurdockIII> so you finaly enabled the updaes for them
20:33:24 <flo> there was no nightly build with the installer before. The update system has never been disabled for nightlies.
20:38:46 <DGMurdockIII> ok
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20:49:19 <Ruyan> Hi, which gecko-sdk version is in the instantbird sources
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20:51:26 <flo> something from the 1.9.2 branch
20:55:27 <Ruyan> It's will be fine if I change it to thunderbird2.0.0.22
20:56:03 <flo> you should rather try Thunderbird 3.1
20:56:08 <flo> with is from Mozilla 1.9.2 too
20:56:20 <flo> *which
20:57:22 <Ruyan> thunderbird 3.1 is with mozilla 1.9.2?
20:58:01 <Ruyan> so That maybe the point, why I can't fine classes. I use thunderbird 2
21:02:42 <Ruyan> firstly I thought it's maybe the problem with module, but I saw there was.
21:03:11 <flo> I've told you to use a thunderbird using the same version of mozilla, didn't I?
21:05:21 <Mic> Anyone has good idea how to phrase this:
21:05:32 <Ruyan> yes, you did. but I wasn't expecting that there is 1.9.2
21:05:33 <Mic> "No conversation log has been found. This window will contain a list of chat sessions and their content once you had a conversation ["with this contact respectively in this multi user chat?!"]"
21:09:09 <Ruyan> what means configure: error: --enable-application=APP is required
21:09:09 <Ruyan>  ?
21:10:04 <flo> add --enable-application=instantbird in your mozconfig
21:10:44 <Ruyan> there is ac_add_options --enable-application=instantbird
21:11:40 <Ruyan> instantbird- failed for mozilla
21:12:07 <flo> nobody remembers what's inside that very old version
21:19:09 <Ruyan> sound nobody
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21:20:42 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 381 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
21:20:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Status "Available" is shown when no accounts are connected
21:32:13 <Mic> Trying to "Connect now" when auto-login reports an error to the error console when there are no accounts yet
21:33:31 <Mic> Do we need to fix this if the notification bar is the only part of the UI that allows to "Connect Now" once that bug 338 is fixed?
21:33:34 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338 tri, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Notification bar above the 'no accounts' message
21:34:16 <flo> hmm. I don't know, but if we want to fix it, it's VERY low priority ;)
21:34:29 <flo> I can't see any "valid" situation causing this
21:34:42 * Mic neither ;)
21:34:56 <Mic> but testing sometimes gets you there anyways;)
21:41:34 <Mic> flo: is any more bug fixing to be done before the next release?
21:42:05 <flo> you mean bugs that I'd like to fix before 0.2 final ?
21:42:20 <Mic> yes
21:42:47 <flo> would you like us to change the IRC status icons?
21:42:59 <flo> I saw the screenshot, but not the icons :-S
21:43:39 <Mic> I haven't found a nice "Founder" icon yet .. 
21:43:51 <flo> is it actually used?
21:44:09 <Mic> yes, I've seen it on another channel
21:44:13 <flo> I've about a dozen of bugs or so
21:44:18 <flo> most of them are not easy to delegate
21:44:20 <Mic> Even though I didn't know what it meant
21:44:37 <flo> ah, I have one I can give you :)
21:44:39 <flo> JavaScript strict warning: chrome://instantbird/content/accounts.js, line 114: reference to undefined property accountList.selectedItem.buttons
21:44:47 <flo> (JS warning in the account manager when removing the last account)
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21:45:32 <flo> I think I'm supposed to be founder here (mode +q)
21:45:43 <flo> but libpurple doesn't seem to understand it
21:45:44 <Mic> chanserv says you are
21:46:18 <flo> yes, but not the icon in the nicklist
21:47:34 <Mic> I've seen it on an other server
21:50:25 <Mic> This bug should appear when I remove the last account from the list
21:52:58 <Ruyan> which version of instantbird uses gecko 1.8.1?
21:58:23 <Mic> flo: sorry, I can't reproduce it
21:58:57 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/39ea06e6da42 - Florian Quèze - Stop using the INSTALLER_DIR variable, and build the installer only on Windows NT.
21:58:58 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b270ccbe0ea7 - Florian Quèze - Stop using the INSTALLER_DIR variable, and build the installer only on Windows NT.
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22:37:07 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 382 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
22:37:08 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 288 to bug 382.
22:37:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New IRC icons
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22:37:51 <Mic> good night
22:38:14 <Mic> flo: I just couldn't reproduce this bug
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22:44:53 <flo> bah, maybe it doesn't exist anymore :)
22:45:14 <flo> (you have JS strict warnings enabled in your build, right?)
22:52:54 <Mic> d'oh...
22:53:11 <Mic> I have on my usual profile, but not on the one I created for testing .. :D
22:53:20 <Mic> Will try again tomorrow..
22:53:31 <Mic> bye
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22:53:45 <flo> good night
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