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00:20:43 <-- deOmega has quit (Ping timeout) 00:31:23 <-- Ruyan has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 01:03:26 --> testib has joined #instantbird 01:04:21 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 01:04:21 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 01:04:21 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 01:04:22 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 01:04:22 * ChanServ sets mode +h Morian 01:04:27 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 01:19:32 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 01:19:32 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 01:19:32 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 01:20:08 --> flo has joined #instantbird 01:20:08 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 01:20:50 --> testib has joined #instantbird 01:21:50 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 01:21:50 * ChanServ sets mode +h Morian 01:27:01 <-- testib has quit (Ping timeout) 01:27:01 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 01:33:13 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 01:33:13 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 01:33:13 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 01:38:36 --> Ruyan has joined #instantbird 01:40:18 <-- Ruyan has left #instantbird (Ex-Chat) 01:49:47 <-- Morian has quit (Ping timeout) 01:55:58 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 01:55:58 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 01:55:58 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 01:57:46 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 01:57:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h Morian 02:13:42 --> flo has joined #instantbird 02:13:42 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 02:13:43 --> testib has joined #instantbird 03:43:20 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 03:43:59 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 04:21:58 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 04:26:27 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 05:11:49 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:15:50 * Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 05:38:26 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 05:38:38 <Amfi> Good morning :) 06:56:54 --> BigBrownChunx has joined #instantbird 07:40:27 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 07:40:42 --> flo has joined #instantbird 07:40:42 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 07:47:19 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 07:47:28 --> flo has joined #instantbird 07:47:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 08:32:01 --> tymerkaev-afk has joined #instantbird 08:50:41 <-- tymerkaev-afk has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:06:34 <-- BigBrownChunx has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 10:59:29 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:34:14 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 11:41:30 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 11:41:39 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 11:42:05 <Amfi> away, busy, dnd, back and offline commands usable from all conversations for quick status changes. 11:42:25 <Amfi> flo: will there be a chance to get those (and any future commands) also localized? 11:44:48 <flo> hmm 11:45:06 <flo> it's something we need to think about 11:45:42 <Amfi> not only are they in english but they are also not understandable for an average polish user 11:46:20 <flo> and they are not discoverable for an average user, whichever country he is from 11:47:23 <Amfi> as long as you keep them simple. however, later on you may introduce more commands which may get more complicated 11:49:04 <Amfi> while using localized version of IB, 80% of users won't be aware of those commands only because they are in english 11:49:36 <Amfi> anyway, i'm leaving you with that problem - it's not up to me, however, i will insist on a full localization ;) 11:50:21 <flo> I understand your point of view 11:50:35 <flo> meaningless strings are almost impossible to remember 11:50:49 <flo> it's a bit the same problem for keyboard shortcuts 11:51:02 <Amfi> on the other hand, commands in windows cmd or linux console are also left as in original 11:51:07 <flo> does it make sense to have Ctrl+f (f = find) for the findbar in localized builds ? 11:51:32 <flo> is it worse to change it to something meaningful, knowing that other applications on the system will still use the Ctrl+f binding 11:51:37 <Amfi> true, we already got used to it 11:52:57 <Amfi> but... as long as crtl+f or ctrl+s are used in fx, ms word or notepad++, away and dnd strings will be solely used in IB 11:53:04 <flo> I'm always annoyed when I use a localized (in French) build when some of the keyboard shortcuts (and more general whatever commands I type with the keyboard) change 11:53:33 <flo> but I guess it's not relevant, as the average user is unlikely to use several locales of the same application 11:53:37 --> Wareczek has joined #instantbird 11:54:18 <flo> would it be an interesting option to have both the english string and a localized string work for each command? 11:54:20 <Amfi> Wareczek! Now we've got a polish domination on irc ;) 11:54:27 <flo> or is it just adding more mess? 11:54:41 <Wareczek> :P 11:54:51 <Amfi> i believe it's the matter of getting used to an application 11:54:52 <flo> Amfi: there are at least 3 french people here ;) 11:55:21 <Wareczek> where is DawPi? :D 11:55:31 <Amfi> if you will leave it in english, after a while people will find it strange to have them in polish 11:55:51 <Amfi> and vice versa: if you translate them, nobody is going to use english commands 11:56:19 <Amfi> yeah, french peaople are either still sleeping or eating croissants for breakfast :P 11:56:44 <flo> or voting 11:56:48 <Amfi> Wareczek: could you get a glimps in the logs and write you opinion about those commands? 11:56:52 <flo> (election day today...) 11:57:03 <Wareczek> Amfi: ok, wait. 11:57:10 <Amfi> president or parliament? 11:57:29 <Amfi> no, sarkozy was elected not so far ago 11:57:42 <flo> regional 11:57:50 <Amfi> even better :) 12:00:59 <Wareczek> sorry Amfi but I think that commands should be only in english 12:01:37 <Amfi> you break my heart :( 12:01:59 <Wareczek> do you know any project with localized commands? :P 12:02:15 <Amfi> how many people in poland, you think, are aware of the dnd shortcut? 12:02:15 <flo> Amfi: heh. I tend to agree that full localization is nice. Especially of the "user facing" strings. 12:02:41 <flo> Wareczek: excel. And that's totally stupid to write localized stuff in formulas... 12:03:24 <Wareczek> There should be any help window where in Polish we can describe this commands 12:03:29 <flo> Amfi: there are 2 user facing strings that are not localizable, and it annoys me because they are the 2 very first visible strings on Windows 12:03:51 <flo> "Extracting..." and "Cancel" in the very first window that pops up when starting the installer. 12:05:02 <Amfi> But I guess all applications using that kind of installer are doomed for those strings.. 12:05:15 <Amfi> or maybe it has never annoyed me before 12:05:34 <flo> in my opinion, that's clearly a bug 12:06:04 <Amfi> a bug that you may fix or you need to wait for mozilla's devs? 12:06:19 <flo> what's the difference? 12:06:36 <flo> it's a mozilla bug 12:06:46 <flo> but if I want to spend (waste?) time on this, I can do something about it... 12:06:50 <Amfi> i'm not sure how it works, IB is my first project related to mozilla ;) 12:07:08 <flo> I spent quite a bit of time on Firefox before 12:07:29 <flo> enough to earn commit access on the code repository 12:07:42 <flo> when a mozilla bug is very annoying for Instantbird, I tend to fix it myself if I can 12:08:29 <Amfi> good to know :> 12:08:53 <flo> the bug is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260914 12:09:05 <Amfi> Wareczek: I believe there will be a documentaion created in the later phaze where we will be able to include all ambigiousities 12:09:52 <flo> I think we won't ship a lot of "help" stuff inside the application. 12:10:13 <flo> but there should be a support website with relevant answers for whatever questions may have 12:10:16 <Amfi> you want to leave everything on the website? 12:10:22 <Amfi> ah, ok 12:10:36 <flo> and it would make sense to let localizers translate the pages that are of significant interest for people in their locales 12:11:12 <Wareczek> more job, jupi :D 12:11:12 <flo> (it probably makes no sense to translate answers to GaduGadu questions in french, and netsoul questions in polish...) 12:11:56 <Amfi> you're not using gadu-gadu in france? :o 12:12:06 <flo> by the way, nice job on http://instantbird.pl/ :) 12:12:25 <Amfi> :) 12:12:31 <flo> Amfi: is it a real question? 12:12:58 <Amfi> heh, just a not-so-funny joke ;) 12:13:24 <flo> I guess people who have polish relatives use it 12:13:38 <Amfi> oh definitely 12:13:50 <flo> or these polish relatives use MSN 12:14:03 <Amfi> even i am forced to use it day-to-day here, in nl 12:14:48 <Amfi> msn is not really popular in poland, we've got a monopoly of gadu-gadu there.. 12:14:49 <flo> oh, so the pl localization is in part made from nl? :-D 12:15:01 <Amfi> and users like Wareczek - looking for alternatives ;) 12:15:23 <Amfi> Sure! However, i'm not gonna touch the dutch version! 12:15:47 <flo> the french locale is made by someone who lives in the USA ;) 12:15:59 <Wareczek> I'm not looking for alternative :P I'm looking for translations to make :D 12:16:06 <Amfi> i thought it was your job.. 12:16:32 <Amfi> Wareczek: what is the most frequent im protocol you tend to use? 12:16:35 <flo> the french locale? 12:16:41 <Amfi> yeah 12:16:53 <flo> no, I live in France so I make the en-US version :-P 12:16:59 <Wareczek> Amfi: XMPP 12:17:37 <Amfi> flo: that makes a perfect sense! 12:18:01 <Amfi> Wareczek: you see? I've just said you were strange :P 12:18:11 <flo> (Amfi: I proof-read the french locale though.) 12:18:49 <Amfi> i know that kind of mentoring... Wareczek reads everyting i translate :> 12:19:42 <flo> more eyeballs looking at the strings improves the overall quality of the translations :) 12:20:08 <Amfi> let's hope so 12:21:19 <flo> in the case of the french locale, it also makes me find bugs in original version 12:21:46 <flo> "hey, this french string makes no sense". "hmm... wait, the en-US doesn't either..." "ok, let's fix!" ;) 12:22:02 <Amfi> haha, great! 12:22:56 <flo> we had a hard time trying to translate the string "only basic formattings" (in the Content tab of the prefwindow) 12:23:09 <Amfi> oh btw, if you started with en-US labeling, shouldn't we receive the pl-PL installer? 12:23:20 <Wareczek> Amif: no 12:23:31 <Wareczek> "pl" is right form 12:24:04 <Amfi> flo: i guess we translated the corrected version.. 12:24:30 <Amfi> Wareczek: in ipb we use pl_PL after all 12:24:56 <Wareczek> because it's up to regional versions of languages. English has US, GB, AU and Polish have no regionals 12:25:19 <Amfi> what about kashebian? 12:25:54 <Wareczek> you know their lang code? :P 12:26:05 <Amfi> google is your friend! 12:26:37 * flo just requested from buildbot a second release candidates of 0.2b2 12:27:14 <Amfi> flo: i;ve checked that formatting - we have put just 'Basic (bold [...])' in the drop-down list 12:27:29 <flo> :) 12:28:43 <Amfi> Wareczek: instantbird-0.2b2.pl-CSB.win32 12:30:05 <Wareczek> where? 12:31:08 <Amfi> not yet, however, it will be soon. Let me first learn their lang ;) 12:37:34 <Amfi> what will be a difference between rc1 and rc2? 12:39:26 <Amfi> i'm not sure when rc1 was released.. 12:42:55 <Wareczek> you have rc1 on your mail box :P 12:43:50 <flo> Wareczek: no 12:43:56 <Wareczek> no? :( 12:44:06 <Amfi> on the mailbox is the first polish build.. 12:44:16 <Amfi> rc1 was a day or two earlier 12:44:24 <flo> the build I emailed was a build that I produced myself and that looked more like a nightly 12:44:40 <Wareczek> ok 12:45:13 <flo> the differences between rc1 and rc2 are a few bug fixes, and all the needed build system changes so that we can produce localized builds. 12:46:37 <Amfi> mhm, meaning that the 0.2b2 should be released next weekend? 12:46:38 <flo> hm, the only bug fixed was bug 368 12:46:42 <instantbot> flo: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368 nor, --, 0.2b2, florian, REOP, Context menu items displaced 12:47:18 <flo> Amfi: it could be sooner 12:47:53 <flo> if nothing goes wrong, probably Tuesday 12:48:58 <Amfi> nice... although i'm still not able to use it for gadu ;) 12:49:07 <flo> :( 12:49:18 <Wareczek> me too 12:51:51 --> tymerkaev-afk has joined #instantbird 12:56:28 <tymerkaev-afk> Hello 12:56:39 * tymerkaev-afk is now known as tymerkaev 12:58:04 <Wareczek> yo 13:00:42 <Wareczek> ok I must go. have a nice day :D 13:01:05 <tymerkaev> Warech 13:01:09 <tymerkaev> ysorry 13:01:13 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]) 13:01:31 <-- Wareczek has left #instantbird () 13:03:19 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 13:03:59 <-- tymerkaev has left #instantbird () 13:04:15 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 13:04:33 --> tymerkaev_ has joined #instantbird 13:06:59 * tymerkaev_ is now known as tymerkaev 13:10:13 * Mic shivers at the thought of localized commands... 13:11:20 <Mic> Likely other users might think differently 13:21:27 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:34:33 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 13:42:10 --> Wareczek has joined #instantbird 13:42:15 <-- Wareczek has left #instantbird () 14:33:18 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 15:32:21 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Quit: Hi. I'm a quit message virus. Add me to your configuration file, and help me take over the world of IRC.) 15:48:53 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 16:03:34 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 16:22:23 <Morian> wow waterfall has a nice css 16:24:28 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:47:29 <DGMurdockIII> waterfall? 16:47:49 <Morian> buildbots 17:16:26 --> Ruyan has joined #instantbird 17:17:45 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 17:17:51 <Ruyan> Components.classes["@instantbird.org/purple/core;1"] means which file? core.h from libpurple or purpleCoreService.h from purplexpcom/src 17:20:40 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 17:20:46 <DGMurdockIII> scruption 17:20:53 <DGMurdockIII> opps 17:23:24 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 17:25:06 <flo> Ruyan: purpleCoreService.cpp 17:25:14 <Mic> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleCoreService.h#121 17:25:38 <Ruyan> so it's not a problem with libpurple 17:30:34 <Ruyan> it's possible to compile purplexpcom separately 17:33:04 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 17:33:19 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:39:58 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:41:33 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 17:41:55 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:43:08 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 17:43:22 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:46:29 <flo> arg, my ubuntu is 64bit, it doesn't work to repack the 32bit release candidates :( 17:51:13 <flo> ok, --target=i686-pc-linux and configure thinks I'm on a 32bits machine :) 18:08:19 <-- Ruyan has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:08:42 --> Ruyan has joined #instantbird 18:10:07 <-- Ruyan has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:10:58 --> Ruyan has joined #instantbird 18:12:48 <-- Ruyan has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:13:48 --> Ruyan has joined #instantbird 18:17:47 <Chaz6> I am using multiple profiles, is it possible to install themes/extensions into the instantbird program folder so i don't have duplicates? 18:17:59 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:20:47 <Ruyan> How can I compile purplexpcom separately 18:37:12 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 18:37:12 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 18:37:13 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 18:39:57 --> Morian has joined #instantbird 18:39:57 * ChanServ sets mode +h Morian 18:46:32 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 18:50:43 <Mic> Morian: congratulations on your permanent half-op status ;) 18:55:18 <Chaz6> Is it possible to make the scrollbar in the message window tab have a transparent background, so the theme shows through? 18:55:31 <Chaz6> s/tab// 18:58:12 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Quit: Hi. I'm a quit message virus. Add me to your configuration file, and help me take over the world of IRC.) 18:59:45 <flo> I don't think so. 19:05:26 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 19:15:33 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2pre) 19:35:46 <-- Ruyan has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:36:28 --> Ruyan has joined #instantbird 19:46:38 <-- Ruyan has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 19:49:16 <flo> Chaz: hmm, a specific message theme could do it. 19:49:31 <flo> with overflow:hidden, and a custom scrollbar working using javascript. 19:49:44 <flo> very ugly though :-S 19:54:44 <Chaz6> Hmm okay 19:56:39 <flo> hmm 19:56:49 <flo> removing that scrollbar could be a nice way to save space :) 20:14:11 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:32:33 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Ping timeout) 21:33:16 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 22:43:33 <flo> good night! :) 23:52:16 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK|AFK 23:53:11 * Gizmokid2005|AFK|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 23:53:11 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005