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00:38:36 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 00:38:45 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 01:25:57 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 04:54:28 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK|AFK 05:33:09 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 06:06:59 --> rnr has joined #instantbird 06:08:02 <-- rnr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 07:39:49 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 07:50:51 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 354 filed by amfidiusz@fwl.pl. 07:50:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, English strings are being forced? 08:15:37 --> flo has joined #instantbird 08:15:37 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 08:16:29 <Amfi> Hi everyone :) 08:16:49 <flo> Amfi: hi :) 08:17:22 <flo> looking at https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/pl/repos/diff/fe1f3904d807/purple/purple.properties makes me wonder... does Polish has 3 plural forms for libpurple/gettext, and only 2 for Mozilla? 08:18:35 <Amfi> Ha! I was looking for this file right now. 08:19:06 <flo> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Localization_and_Plurals#List_of_Plural_Rules 08:19:17 <Amfi> We can have up to 7 different forms depending on the context ;) 08:19:45 <flo> Plural rule #9 (3 forms): Families: Slavic (Polish) 08:19:52 <flo> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Localization_and_Plurals#Polish 08:20:09 <flo> apparently Mozilla expects 3 plural forms for Polish strings 08:20:27 <Amfi> Hmm... I can think about 5 different form for the word 'seconds' right now.. 08:20:39 <Amfi> OK, I will try to understand why 08:21:40 <flo> Plural is so complicated :( 08:25:37 <flo> Amfi: if you provide a number of plural forms that it different from what mozilla expects for your locale, the translated string will be ignored, and there will be an automatic fallback to the original english string. 08:26:00 <Amfi> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/e1082cbfcb4c/instantbird/locales/en-US/chrome/instantbird/accounts.properties <-- Where does this file takes values for seconds and minutes (%S) in the string account.connectedFor from? 08:26:29 <Amfi> flo: That doesn't sound optimistic... 08:28:30 <flo> from http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/locales/en-US/chrome/mozapps/downloads/downloads.properties 08:29:23 <flo> http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/pl/file/09db78c91a79/toolkit/chrome/mozapps/downloads/downloads.properties 08:29:37 <Amfi> Great :/ I guess I'm gonna leave it to Wareczek... He is better in those kind of puzzles. 08:29:57 <flo> the time unit you need to translate are used by libpurple. They are for example visible in tooltips of the buddy list. 08:32:35 <Amfi> The problem is that in Polish we use different forms for eg. 'Reconnect in 1 second' and '1 second left to reconnect'. Using either of the forms in the download.properties will cause a grammar error in one of the statements. 08:33:41 <Amfi> So i believe we need to rewrite all the strings so that we can hold with one form only. 08:35:27 <flo> Ouch 08:35:47 <Amfi> But if we unify a second, then we will need three different forms for the verb 'left' in that case. Damn, i hate it! :) 08:36:03 <flo> In the french locale plurals are not so complicated. But we are annoyed by genders 08:36:23 <Amfi> I'm gonna talk to the guys and we will come up with sth 08:36:43 <flo> "<username> has signed on." is not the same if <username> refers to a male or female person... :( 08:37:54 <Amfi> True, we've got the same. All the programs in PL treats username as a male noun and i guess everybody got used to it now ;) 08:38:42 <flo> for usernames we really now, it would be nice to provide a "gender hint" so that the wording could be adapted 08:38:53 <flo> *know 08:39:16 <Amfi> That would be awesome. 08:39:41 <flo> it would be difficult. And there will always be cases in which we just don't know... 08:39:54 <flo> (when it's the first time we talk to someone, when it's a bot, ...) 08:41:16 <flo> for now in the french locale we try to workaround the issue when possible by using wordings that are OK for both gender 08:42:42 <Amfi> Sometimes it's impossible, like in '<u> has just logged in'... 08:47:29 <flo> in french "has just logged in" needs a change depending on the gender, but not "<u> is now online." (the word used for "online" doesn't change depending on the gender) 08:58:32 <Amfi> Btw, in the message unableToReadFromSocket (http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/e1082cbfcb4c/purple/locales/en-US/gg.properties) - what does 'socket' refer to? 08:59:05 <flo> probably a network socket (technical term) 08:59:13 <flo> basically, its a network error 09:01:38 <Amfi> OK, got it: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gniazdo_%28telekomunikacja%29 09:02:19 <Amfi> Should we stick with such technical terms or should we rather make it more user-friendly (eg. unable to connect network)? 09:03:03 <flo> you are welcome to switch to more userfriendly terms if you are sure of where/when this is used 09:03:11 <flo> in this case, it's not really obvious 09:04:02 <Amfi> OK, so far we will leave everything as in original and later on we will think about better counterparts. 09:04:54 <flo> (in this case, it's an error message that would appear in the account manager when there's an error on an account) 09:05:17 <flo> from a quick glance at the code, I can't say if it's an error while attempting to connect, or an error that causes the disconnection of an already connected account. 09:06:50 <Amfi> I get it whenever I want to connect to the account: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348 ;) 09:06:55 <instantbot> Amfi: Bug 348 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Reconnect not working with gadu-gadu 09:07:45 <flo> is this problem easy to reproduce? 09:08:34 <Amfi> I guess so, in fact I am unable to use IB now. 09:08:58 <Amfi> I will create a gadu-gadu account for you and you may try it yourself 09:10:12 <flo> thanks :) 09:14:09 <Amfi> oh right, now I am totally lost 09:14:34 <Amfi> IB works with the new account properly but does not like my existing old account... 09:19:48 <Amfi> And the old account is working now as well... Miracles? 09:19:57 <flo> libpurple magic? 09:20:35 <flo> wow, someone reported a crash today using Instantbird 0.1.2 on Mac OS X 10.6.2 09:20:39 <instantbot> amfidiusz@fwl.pl set the Resolution field on bug 348 to INVALID. 09:20:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Reconnect not working with gadu-gadu 09:21:45 <flo> Amfi: well, even though your account now works, the JavaScript error you had is troubling. A connection error is something that can happen (if there's a temporary issue on the server), but the JS error is a bug in Instantbird. 09:22:35 <Amfi> I had the problem for several days while still being able to use an account on other IMs. 09:22:51 <instantbot> amfidiusz@fwl.pl set the Resolution field on bug 354 to INVALID. 09:22:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, English strings are being forced? 09:26:29 <Amfi> All my bugs are fixed in the latest nightly. Is it possible that the gg protocol has been updated? 09:26:53 <flo> the last libpurple update was 10 days ago 09:27:03 <flo> https://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9f87c7d641ba 09:28:01 <Amfi> Great! :) I was testing it two days ago and cound't connect to the socket ;) 09:28:03 <flo> but the only real change in the gg plugin seems to be related to the display of avatars 09:29:40 <Amfi> The problem with 4-digit numbers seems not to exist anymore, too... 09:46:50 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 10:04:57 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/remove-toto.png comments? 10:18:41 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:18:45 <Mic> hi 10:22:05 <Mic> flo: on the privacy pane of the preferences: are "Keep records of my conversations" and "Record connections, ...." exactly what they say or .. 10:22:49 <Mic> .. does one imply the other? (eg (dis-)connection aren't logged when no logs for conversations are created?) 10:23:01 <flo> the 2 are separate preferences 10:50:50 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 10:53:35 <Mic> The remove-buddy dialog is a default dialog? 10:54:09 <Mic> Ie on Windows it will look like a Windows dialog? 10:56:11 <flo> Mic: yes 10:56:21 <flo> it's nearly the same as when deleting an account 10:56:40 <Mic> ok :) 10:56:56 <flo> except the wording of course 10:57:03 <Mic> The pidgin dialogs with its big icons, smilies and whatever look so out of place on windows 10:57:16 <flo> so GTK ;) 10:57:39 <Mic> therefore the big question mark caught my attention immediately 10:57:52 <Mic> :D 11:00:08 <flo> lunch time 11:07:40 * Gizmokid2005|AFK|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 11:07:59 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 12:21:56 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 12:39:40 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 12:44:08 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 12:54:48 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 13:24:35 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 13:28:29 <iLobster> Greetings 13:28:45 <iLobster> about http://queze.net/goinfre/remove-toto.png - that "?" sign on blue round background. What about to make background red or use "!" sign? It will be looks more like warning than question... 13:43:03 <Chaz6> bah no flo 13:43:13 <Chaz6> "Get new message styles" button is broken on linux 13:48:03 <-- iLobster has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 13:58:36 --> flo has joined #instantbird 13:58:36 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 14:04:17 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 14:07:34 <-- Mic has quit (Input/output error) 14:08:08 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 14:14:08 <tymerkaev> hi flo 14:14:12 <flo> hi 14:15:25 <tymerkaev> I have a problem 14:16:32 <tymerkaev> flo: When I started Instantbird, I have a window with an error. 14:16:34 <flo> I have so many problems that I can't talk to you about all of them. 14:18:04 <tymerkaev> flo: ok 14:18:32 <flo> seriously, it would be easier to help you if you provided the error message, instead of saying "an error" ;) 14:19:46 <tymerkaev> I sent you a message. You can read it when you have time. ;) 14:23:39 --> damienwal has joined #instantbird 14:23:57 <-- damienwal has left #instantbird () 14:28:26 <Chaz6> flo "Get new message styles" button is broken on linux 14:30:48 <flo> define "broken" 14:30:58 <flo> (and I not a bug database, by the way :)) 14:31:10 --> damienwal has joined #instantbird 14:32:18 <Chaz6> When it is clicked, nothing happens 14:33:01 <flo> does clicking on links in conversations work? 14:33:19 <damienwal> hi 14:33:28 <flo> hi 14:35:22 <flo> tymerkaev: I've never seen that error yet. 14:35:34 <flo> is your memory full? 14:35:53 <tymerkaev> no 14:36:07 <tymerkaev> I just start my PC 14:36:30 <tymerkaev> ...and launch Instantbird 14:40:25 <flo> is it the only window that opens when you launch Instantbird? 14:41:22 <flo> what happens next if you click OK? 14:41:46 <tymerkaev> crash 14:42:07 <tymerkaev> Second launch is right. 14:42:15 <flo> have you sent a crash report? 14:43:02 <tymerkaev> crash without crash reporter 14:49:12 <flo> :( 15:08:00 <Chaz6> Sorry for the delay, to answer your question, links do not work either 15:09:47 <flo> do they not work at all, or do they just fail to open the browser, but once the browser is opened, they work? 15:11:04 <Amfi> tymerkaev: an error appears because you've got lacks in your translation. Go to C:\Users\xxxxxxx\AppData\Roaming\Instantbird\Profiles\ xxxxxxx.default\extensions and delete your language folder. 15:12:03 <flo> Amfi: no. The error was a glib abort because of an out of memory problem (probably something in libpurple requesting memory in a loop) 15:12:59 <Amfi> as you say so.. i haven't seen an error message ;) 15:13:03 <tymerkaev> Amfi: no 15:13:15 <tymerkaev> Amfi: What your OS? 15:13:50 <Chaz6> flo: they do not work at all, browser or no browser 15:14:01 <flo> Amfi: I thought about missing strings in a localisation too... before seeing the screenshot 15:14:08 <flo> ah, so that's a different bug 15:14:15 <Amfi> tymerkaev: I got XP, the path was from Vista I believe 15:14:28 <flo> (someone reported to me that on ubuntu instantbird fails to open Firefox, but the links work if Firefox is already there) 15:14:42 <flo> Chaz6: which distribution and browser are you using? 15:14:49 <Chaz6> I was thinking that in the preferences dialog, clicking "Get more message styles" could take you to the ib add-ons window instead of the website 15:15:11 <Chaz6> Well the desktop is KDE 4.4 15:15:47 <flo> can you set manualy a browser for the http and https protocols from the Applications tab of the prefwindow ? 15:16:49 <Chaz6> Yes, if i manually set it, it opens okay 15:19:47 <flo> it's not so terrible then :) 15:20:45 <Chaz6> Hm i'll try to set it to xdg-open 15:21:41 <Chaz6> Yep that works :) 15:21:46 <flo> :) 15:43:44 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 15:46:28 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:54:04 <-- devfil has quit (Ping timeout) 15:58:00 <-- damienwal has left #instantbird () 16:41:29 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 17:09:01 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 17:09:35 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:46:17 --> stevo has joined #instantbird 17:55:29 --> mib_t1rxmr has joined #instantbird 17:55:57 <-- mib_t1rxmr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:50:42 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 18:50:59 <-- Even has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:05:35 --> mib_bfuufo has joined #instantbird 19:06:13 <-- mib_bfuufo has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 19:08:36 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 19:08:47 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:08:47 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:09:35 <deOmega> good day IB'ers 19:26:19 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 19:52:32 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:52:45 <Mic> Good evening 19:54:16 <deOmega> good evening Mic 20:08:22 <-- devfil has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 20:11:24 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 20:23:53 <-- deOmega has left #instantbird () 20:24:54 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 355 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de. 20:24:55 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 273 to bug 355. 20:24:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Change "(no themes installed)"-list item 20:28:37 --> Wareczek has joined #instantbird 20:34:30 <-- Wareczek has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 20:49:26 --> Wareczek has joined #instantbird 20:54:56 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 20:55:14 <-- Wareczek has left #instantbird () 21:11:36 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 274 to bug 353. 21:11:37 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 274 on bug 353. 21:11:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353 nor, --, ---, leeraccount, ASSI, Add link "Get more protocols..." 21:17:15 * Mic hopes for a review+ :) 21:24:07 * flo wonders if it means something to get a protocol 21:30:08 --> Even has joined #instantbird 21:30:09 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 21:33:02 <Mic> hmm? 21:35:17 <Mic> You don't like the phrasing? 21:36:09 <Mic> "protocol extensions" then? 21:36:11 <flo> you get a protocol plugin, not a protocol. 21:36:22 <flo> but even then... something is wrong 21:36:37 <flo> because "Google Talk" or "Facebook Chat", as implemented are not protocols 21:37:52 <Mic> I can find something more appropriate if you like 21:37:55 <flo> I think in a later version, we will stop talking about protocols, and maybe phrase it as "IM networks" 21:38:07 <Mic> I just wonder if John Doe cares or could even tell the difference? 21:38:53 <flo> well, what I'd *really* like to do for a future version with this step of the wizard is: 21:39:30 <flo> keep only about 5 protocols by default. Which protocols are relevant to keep in the locale context would be decided by localization teams. 21:39:42 <flo> this would give space for bigger protocol icons, and a descriptive text for each of them 21:39:55 <flo> and put a "More..." or "Other..." listitem at the bottom of the list 21:40:28 <flo> selecting "Other..." and clicking next would go to a step that would fetch automatically a list of compatible protocol plugins from the addons website 21:41:03 <flo> selecting one of them and clicking next would install it, and continue with the process for this account. (and I would love to make this installation process restart-free) 21:46:00 <flo> Mic: I think John Doe has absolutely no idea of what the word "protocol" could mean in this context. 21:47:47 <Mic> Sorry, I don't feel like arguing now. What about "Check for other supported IM networksâ¦"? 21:48:23 <Chaz6> Yeah that's a nice idea 21:48:56 <Chaz6> KDE has something similar in a few settings areas, e.g. window styles and themes ("Get more...") 21:49:04 <flo> Mic: before giving any positive or negative answer about the patch, I would like to try it. 21:49:32 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): Miranda IM dose protocols as plugins 21:49:33 <Chaz6> I'll try it too 21:49:46 <flo> but I'm wondering how "Get more..." (without specifying more of what, because it's at the bottom of a list and so it's implied that it's "more of whatever is in that list") would look good 21:50:23 <Mic> Sounds good as well 21:51:03 <DGMurdockIII> why not use the firefox persona themeing engine 21:51:06 <Mic> Would work around using the "IM" abbreviation (with it it's just too long) 21:51:19 <Chaz6> I'm not completely happy with the way kde does it, it feels a little inconsistent 21:51:30 <Mic> *"with it being written out" 21:51:32 <flo> if the assertion "it's at the bottom of a list and so it's implied that it's "more of whatever is in that list"" is valid, I think it would be better. 21:51:38 <Chaz6> It's usually "Get New Themes..." 21:51:58 <Chaz6> Yes that i think makes sense 21:52:05 <Chaz6> It's more of what is currently being displayed 21:52:33 <DGMurdockIII> ii thnk you could build the protocol extension some how in to the addon system that allready theme like make a new tab for theme and stuff 21:53:01 <DGMurdockIII> and display it like they do the popuarly addon 21:53:12 <Chaz6> In kde, they're usually all tied into www.kde-look.org 21:53:36 <Chaz6> luckily it doesn't show the whole site, only the relevant information 21:53:43 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Chaz62): http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/ 21:54:02 <Chaz6> personas work in ff 3.6 and abbove iirc 21:54:08 <Chaz6> without having to install any extension 21:54:20 <DGMurdockIII> yeah 21:54:44 <DGMurdockIII> that why i suggested why not trying to use it for instantbird 21:55:01 <flo> DGMurdockIII: feel free to try :) 21:55:56 <DGMurdockIII> well how would i add a personas to instantbird 21:56:24 <flo> I don't know 21:56:39 <flo> but first, try to figure out which part of the UI should be themed by the persona 21:57:08 <flo> it seems to me that we have very little UI space that has the "toolbar color" which could be replaced by a persona image. 21:57:34 <flo> there's the status toolbar in the buddy list, the tabbar in conversation windows, and the status bar at the bottom of conversation and buddy list windows 21:57:40 <flo> all these spaces are very small 21:57:41 <Mic> Sounds perfectly fitting for a persona theme :P 21:57:55 <flo> so you can't have any persona with a big image showing something 21:58:18 <Chaz6> http://imgur.com/Cf92y 21:58:25 <Chaz6> it's a bit cluttered for my liking 22:01:02 <Chaz6> That settings dialog is terrible 22:01:19 <Chaz6> Even the two labels are not aligned 22:02:22 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 22:02:25 <DGMurdockIII> http://hg.mozilla.org/labs/personas/personas 22:03:18 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 22:06:31 <Mic> Chaz6: indeed 22:08:53 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 22:16:25 <Mic> good night 22:16:33 <flo> good night :) 22:27:36 --> mib_zqwdhy has joined #instantbird 22:27:36 <Chaz6> G'night 22:29:14 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 22:30:21 <-- mib_zqwdhy has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 22:41:14 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 23:07:58 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre)