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00:00:10 <-- rnr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 03:06:15 * Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 08:42:22 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 08:42:31 --> flo has joined #instantbird 08:42:31 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:47:01 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 12:04:57 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK|AFK 12:25:49 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:25:52 <Mic> hi 13:14:26 <-- Guest123 has quit (Quit: Hi. I'm a quit message virus. Add me to your configuration file, and help me take over the world of IRC.) 13:15:31 <Chaz6> facebook's xmpp is worthless without at least federation 13:17:44 <Chaz6> I wouldn't want to use facebook as a chat service anyway really 13:47:13 <Mic> Chaz6: let me try: "hvorfor ikke?" 13:48:45 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 13:54:37 <Chaz6> I don't much care for facebook anyway 13:55:30 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 13:59:15 <Mic> ah, ok 14:00:16 <Mic> I usually have it running to contact people that don't use instantmessengers but do use Facebook 14:28:40 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:29:51 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 14:36:57 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 14:48:59 * tymerkaev is now known as tymerkaev-afk 15:06:21 * tymerkaev-afk is now known as tymerkaev 15:09:28 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 15:15:09 --> tymerkaev_ has joined #instantbird 15:15:47 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:16:19 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Ping timeout) 15:16:46 * tymerkaev_ is now known as tymerkaev 15:23:57 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 15:31:13 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:34:10 <Mic> Having status "available" (haven't checked whether it can even be changed or not) when no accounts are configured seems confusing 15:35:34 <Mic> Maybe a "deck" solution like on the account manager could help (showing a "No accounts configured, go here to set up [...]" message and the normal buddy list with the toolbar on the hidden deck in this case 15:35:59 <Mic> A "No buddies yet, click here to add [...]" message might be a good idea too 15:58:25 <flo> yeah, we need to improve the buddy list when it's empty 15:58:40 <flo> but when there's no account, do we need that window at all? 15:59:56 <Chaz6> Maybe just show the account wizard to start with? 16:00:00 <Chaz6> But some people won't like that maybe 16:01:27 <flo> why would people not like that? 16:01:50 <flo> the account wizard should start with a more "welcoming" first step 16:03:21 <Chaz6> I don't know personally, but people always find a way to surprise me 16:03:28 <Chaz6> It's fine for me 16:03:29 <flo> ahah :) 16:04:26 <flo> well, there are probably some people who would like to "explore the application" (clicking on all the menu items) before actually providing any account details. These people could probably be frustrated by such a change. 16:04:52 <flo> but the reduction of the confusion for everybody else is probably worth that frustration 16:14:57 <Mic> I think you can always click cancel to get out of the wizard without creating an account 16:17:28 <flo> in this case you get to the account manager 16:17:37 <flo> which isn't of much help 16:18:31 <Mic> I was referring to the case that you want to explore the application without creating an account. 16:19:43 <Mic> d'oh. Maybe I should read before posting ;) 16:20:25 <flo> but is there anything (except the about dialog and the prefwindow) that can be explored without an account? 16:23:33 --> Even has joined #instantbird 16:23:33 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 16:23:39 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 16:23:57 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:24:43 <Mic> Ob Ubuntu 9.04, the status icon in the toolbar popup is above the checkbox symbol btw 16:32:20 <Mic> What about an introductive screen instead of plunging the users in at the deep end? 16:33:24 <flo> like when I said "the account wizard should start with a more "welcoming" first step"? :) 16:33:26 <Mic> Something easy to grasp, a screen with e.g. three items that display what he should do first. "1. Set up an account", .. 16:34:33 <flo> what would be item 2 and 3? 16:35:10 <Mic> What else will apply .. "Import chat history" and so on 16:37:14 <flo> "Welcome to your new instant messenger, and congratulation for choosing Instantbird." 16:37:14 <flo> <logo> 16:37:15 <flo> "This wizard will guide you through the process of setting up your instant messaging accounts." 16:37:15 <flo> (while this screen is displayed, we can start looking for other installed IM software and their profile folders) 16:38:02 <Mic> which you can't expect to work flawlessly and therefore should show the result so the user can check whether something has been missed or not 16:38:06 <Even> Looks good but I think this sould only appear the first time the wizard is displayed. 16:38:21 <Mic> Therefore it should be an extra item imo 16:38:25 <Even> After that might just be taking time for nothing. 16:38:49 <flo> the next step would be "Instantbird can now try to import your settings from other instant messengers you used before." That screen would show a list of the detected accounts, with a checkbox (checked by default) next to each of them. The buttons at the bottom would be "Import" and "Skip". A throbber would be animated as long as the search for accounts is not finished. 16:39:39 <flo> Even: not sure if it would be the first time only, or each time the wizard is started because there's no configured account. 16:40:00 <flo> we will definitively not try to import stuff when the user manually clicked the "new account" button 16:40:01 <Mic> hmm, no 16:40:20 <Mic> I don't think he should be bothered with importing things just because he wants to set up a new account 16:40:26 <Mic> that's completely unrelated in my opinion 16:40:58 <Even> flo: that's good enough. I thouight of the same thing but figured you would too. It prevents an useless property somewhere so it seems better. 16:41:05 <flo> Mic: that's what I just said 16:41:26 <Mic> ah, I missed the "not". 16:41:37 <Mic> d'oh, not my day as it seems :D 16:42:06 <flo> (it's not mine either. I'm sick, at home, and spending most of the day in bed...) 16:42:37 <Mic> oh, get well then 16:43:51 <flo> I will try :) 16:45:27 <-- stevo has quit (Client exited) 16:45:53 --> stevo has joined #instantbird 16:46:39 <-- stevo has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 184.108.40.206/2009101909]) 16:57:24 <tymerkaev> hi flo 16:57:58 <tymerkaev> Do you have time for me? 17:01:42 <flo> maybe. What is it about? :) 17:04:07 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 352 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 17:04:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352 min, --, ---, leeraccount, NEW, Topic change bar issues 17:06:16 <Mic> bye 17:07:25 <flo> good evening :) 17:09:29 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 17:13:13 --> stevo has joined #instantbird 17:14:01 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 17:15:04 --> flo has joined #instantbird 17:15:04 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 17:15:28 <flo> grrr... power outage :( 17:17:15 <tymerkaev> flo: I want to talk with you about my problem with sending patches to server ... 17:17:55 <flo> we changed the configuration on the server about 40 minutes ago to try to fix that issue 17:19:01 <flo> does it work now if you use https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/ru/ as the URL? 17:20:35 --> Dam has joined #instantbird 17:20:57 <-- Dam has left #instantbird () 17:22:21 <tymerkaev> flo: I can't send you screenshot. 17:22:39 <flo> do you have an error message? 17:22:45 <tymerkaev> yes 17:23:26 <tymerkaev> abort: authorization failed 17:24:25 <tymerkaev> hey 17:27:56 <flo> are you using the https url? and are you sure you copied correctly the password I emailed you? 17:28:54 <tymerkaev> yes yes 17:31:14 <tymerkaev> What port is needed? 17:31:21 <tymerkaev> for ssl 17:31:30 <flo> the standard https port 17:31:57 <flo> can you try pushing to https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/ru/repos/ to see if this work? 17:32:06 <tymerkaev> yes 17:34:58 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 17:36:44 <tymerkaev> ssl required 17:36:47 <tymerkaev> flo 17:37:26 <flo> which hg software are you using? 17:37:41 <flo> are you using tortoisehg, or doing it on the command line? 17:38:02 <tymerkaev> TortoiseHg 17:38:05 <tymerkaev> 0.9.3 17:39:30 <tymerkaev> flo: Check your mailbox 17:43:36 <Amfi> I've had similar problem recently. https://[...]/repos helped in my case. 17:45:55 <flo> tymerkaev: well, try with /repos/ at the end of the URL :) 17:46:12 <tymerkaev> ok 17:48:13 <tymerkaev> pushing to https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/ru/repos/ 17:48:15 <tymerkaev> searching for changes 17:48:16 <tymerkaev> http authorization required 17:48:18 <tymerkaev> realm: Mecurial 'Locales' repositories 17:48:19 <tymerkaev> ssl required 17:48:21 <tymerkaev> [command returned code 1 Fri Feb 26 21:47:35 2010] 17:49:18 <flo> Even: ping. Do you think this "ssl required" message could be a server issue? 17:53:44 <tymerkaev> flo: What do I do? 17:55:11 <flo> honestly, I don't know :(. I'd like Even's opinion on this error... 17:55:39 <flo> oh wait 17:56:01 <flo> the error log on the server says: "[Fri Feb 26 18:35:27 2010] [error] user Tymerkaev: authentication failure for "/l10n/ru/repos/": Password Mismatch" 17:57:00 <tymerkaev> really? 17:57:51 <tymerkaev> flo: I copied and pasted password from your message. 18:06:46 <tymerkaev> flo: Maybe you can again send a patch? I really want to see the results of my work. 18:06:54 <flo> yes 18:07:03 <tymerkaev> please wait 18:08:23 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 18:08:43 <Amfi> tymerkaev: Are you doing the translation alone? 18:08:46 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 18:08:49 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 18:09:09 <tymerkaev> no 18:10:36 <tymerkaev> I borrowed part of the translation from translation of Firefox. 18:11:36 <Amfi> So did we :) 18:12:25 <flo> it's better to do it. That way, user familiar with Firefox will see the same strings ;) 18:14:30 <tymerkaev> flo: I sent you a message (email@example.com) ;) 18:15:01 <Chaz6> neat, instantbird.com has an ipv6-enabled dns server :) 18:15:29 <Chaz6> Now about the web server.. 18:18:45 <tymerkaev> I've got to go. Goodbye! 18:18:48 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 220.127.116.11/2009122204]) 18:19:58 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 18:29:41 <flo> Chaz6: do you think we would have more users if we had an ip-v6 server? ;) 18:44:39 <Morian> tomorrow instantbot will be unavailable for 2 or 3 hours in the afternoon. 18:57:26 <flo> Morian: ah, finally moving? 18:59:23 <Morian> I am already moved. instantbot is not 18:59:56 <Morian> we were prepary his temporary environment, and then I'll have some hardware stuff to do on him before putting him back online. 19:03:38 <flo> oh, some surgery, like cutting fan wires? :) 19:04:18 <Morian> no, setting up a new power thing 19:04:25 <Morian> with uncut wires (!) 19:43:14 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:43:56 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 20:53:45 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 21:50:22 <Morian> mmmh I may also move Instantbot tonight 21:53:27 * Gizmokid2005|AFK|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 21:53:27 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 22:00:13 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 22:13:03 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 22:32:04 <flo> good night 22:33:08 <Morian> 'night 22:57:53 <Mic> good night 23:08:40 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 23:09:34 * Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK