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00:02:35 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 01:15:37 <-- stevo has quit (Ping timeout) 01:39:59 * Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 05:07:58 --> stevo has joined #instantbird 05:30:54 --> rnr has joined #instantbird 05:39:22 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 06:20:18 <-- stevo has quit (Ping timeout) 07:43:31 --> flo has joined #instantbird 07:43:32 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 07:43:44 <flo> hi :) 07:44:25 <flo> I think I'd like to have an addon adding a button in the buddy list (or a keyboard shortcut) doing: check for update, download update, restart & install the update, with a single click and no popup. 07:45:03 <flo> maybe the progress of the download could be displayed in the status bar (it's empty for now... and maybe in a second status bar once the first one is used for the accounts) 08:49:30 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 08:58:36 --> Ruyan has joined #instantbird 09:12:14 <Ruyan> Hi flo, I have question, how can I use everything in purplexpcom for my project, just copy all of them(compiled files) to my project under folder chrome? or I need to do something else? 09:12:52 <flo> not under chrome, keep the same directory structure as in instantbird 09:13:25 <flo> you need at least the file purple.dll/libpurple.so from the application dir, and purplexpcom.xpt+purplexpcom.dll/libpurplexpcom.so from the components/ dir 09:13:35 <Ruyan> but where is purpleloader.cpp after compile? i can't find it 09:13:46 <flo> it's never used 09:13:56 <flo> it was used a very long time ago 09:14:01 <Ruyan> aha 09:15:05 <Ruyan> and xpt files under public its used to connect to libpurple, yes? 09:15:46 <flo> you should probably read documentation about the way xpcom components work and are used in a mozilla application 09:21:21 <Ruyan> yes, i'm reading that 09:22:20 <Ruyan> I didn't read that chapter yet. 09:29:08 <-- Ruyan has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 09:41:09 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 220.127.116.11/2009122204]) 10:06:50 <-- rnr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 10:23:29 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:23:32 <Mic> hi! 11:06:04 <Mic> flo: you complained about the missing away/unavailable message that suggested what sort of message to enter here 11:06:14 <Mic> *there 11:07:16 <Mic> Using the same approach as on some websites, we could put a (e.g. grey) message there what to do which is removed as soon as you click the input field 11:07:45 <flo> Mic: I thought about it. 11:08:01 <flo> We can't, because we focus the field automatically, so this text would never be visible 11:08:24 <Mic> You've got a point there 11:08:49 <flo> (but that's unfortunate ;)) 11:12:18 <Mic> Input fields with hints would be a nice thing in general .. 11:12:45 <Mic> Maybe I'll do an overlay for input fields and check out what it feels like e.g. having it on the account wizard 11:17:57 <flo> just use <textbox emptytext="Type something here please"/> 11:18:07 <flo> that's what is used in Firefox for the location bar and the search box 11:18:26 <flo> on the account wizard we have the same problem: the username textbox is focused by default 11:18:40 <flo> (we wanted to put there a message like "email address" or "ICQ number" 11:19:55 <Mic> oh, it's there already. 11:20:33 <Mic> I'm not sure if "emailadress" or "ICQ number" would be a good thing to put there .. usually the label says as much 11:21:16 <Mic> Maybe something like an example to see the pattern of the input would be better (as long as people can't confuse it with actual input) 11:21:55 <Mic> "Example: firstname.lastname@example.org" or "Example: 147258369" 11:24:04 <Mic> off for lunch now, ttyl 11:46:45 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 11:47:06 <iLobster> Greetings 12:18:51 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 12:33:09 <Chaz6> Salutations 13:05:35 <Mic> re 13:10:22 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 13:18:48 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:24:36 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 13:49:32 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 14:21:35 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 14:21:39 --> flo has joined #instantbird 14:21:39 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 14:57:35 * flo wonders what are the key features that are still missing in Instantbird that we should add before trying to have more users 14:58:49 <Chaz6> Group modificatsions - create/delete/rename/move contacts 14:58:54 <Chaz6> *modifications 15:01:25 <Mic> Key features with respect to what? 15:01:36 <Mic> Functionality? Usability? 15:02:17 <flo> I don't know. The things that would cause the reaction "Instantbird could be cool but ... is missing." 15:02:20 <Mic> Prerequisites in general (ie an infrastructure to support many users (cf updates and such))? 15:02:33 <flo> I know Voice and Video is one of these features, but it's way to complicated to implement in the near future 15:03:35 <Mic> Pidgin solution: 15:03:37 <Mic> if you like voice and video support, feel free to add it. 15:04:05 <flo> Mic: no. 15:04:21 <Mic> I wasn't serious 15:04:22 <flo> Pidgin's solution is "Pidgin is done by volunteers, if you don't like it, go away." 15:04:52 <flo> It's a valid solution. Except it's not the one we want for Instantbird... 15:05:57 <flo> ah, there's probably that systray thing for Windows. 15:06:27 <Mic> Not key functionality but a nice idea (addon?): show message notifications a little longer (give users a chance to reach it) and add a way to send an immediate response without having to go to the chat window (one line of input field right below the message or something like that) 15:07:03 <flo> That's a nice addon idea. 15:07:36 <flo> I know Digsby is marketing that feature (that in my personal opinion is a mis-feature), and people will probably want it here too 15:08:28 <Chaz6> I don't want it personally, i find it annoying 15:08:31 <flo> I guess there are some interesting use cases even though I don't like the general idea 15:09:55 <Mic> For what reason? 15:10:38 <flo> for what reason I don't like it? 15:10:56 <flo> because it's "promoting" too many interruptions via invading popups 15:13:16 <Mic> What's worse about this compared to a simple notification popup? 15:13:28 <Mic> The latter is equivally distracting imo 15:13:53 <Mic> *equally 15:13:58 <flo> I don't like simple notification popups either 15:14:28 <flo> (though it's less horrible when it uses an OS-wide notification system which is tweaked to the user's needs) 15:23:12 <Mic> I don't mind notifications but I agree that a uniform solution is absolutely preferrable 15:23:48 <flo> actually, the thing that really sucks about notification (even the sounds from the buddy list), is when it notifies me about something I couldn't care less about 15:24:24 <Mic> Frankly I don't like skinned programs for exactly this reason: I don't want to have applications look different from each other (and some oh-so-great extra UI elements that you've never seen before) 15:24:37 <flo> I think for 0.3 we will try to teach Instantbird how to be intelligent about that, and "guess" what events are valuable information and what's noise. 15:25:30 <Mic> I've read a scientific article/paper about distraction and how to minimize its effects 15:26:04 <flo> there are dozens of articles on that topic 15:26:16 <flo> were the conclusions of the one you read interesting? :) 15:26:57 <Mic> One of the things was to let a sound notification precede a visual notification because it gives the user a chance to sort of memorize the current situation before being visually distracted to the popup 15:27:31 <Mic> I think libnotify does such a thing now that I think about it 15:43:51 <flo> are there people here who are (still) using another IM client? What do they miss in current nightlies? 15:51:47 <Chaz6> Meta contacts is another big thing i miss 15:52:14 <flo> I miss it too 15:56:26 <flo> hmm, any idea of how we could get a "representative" idea of the answer to these questions? I'm almost sure it depends a lot on which IM client you were using before 15:57:53 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:18:12 --> stevo has joined #instantbird 16:25:43 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 16:43:25 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 17:19:26 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:54:20 <iLobster> About that popup message notifications - in past notification addon there was an option to show/notshow buddy icon in popup notification - so user was able to make own desicion is he want to see icons in popups or not. 17:55:54 <Chaz6> yes that could be useful 17:56:02 <iLobster> So i vote for return of this option. It may be logo of Instatnbird instead of buddy icons or some random pictores like in Songbird song notofoer addon. 17:56:45 <iLobster> my typing skill is bad today =) 17:57:17 <iLobster> *that was "song notifier" 18:05:25 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 22:48:41 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0d113aa4a1f7 - Florian Quèze - Remove no longer needed (because of the changes from bug 535369) patch. 22:48:43 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b256d8544bc5 - Florian Quèze - Rework idle and auto-away features. 22:48:43 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 22:48:43 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 22:48:43 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 22:49:37 <Chaz6> phew, nice checking :) 22:49:40 <Chaz6> -g 22:50:00 <flo> ah? 22:59:29 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 23:00:16 <Mic> nn 23:00:17 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 23:32:31 <flo> good night