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00:05:20 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 00:06:09 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 00:40:43 <-- Mitch has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 2.0.2/20100104163003]) 00:58:43 * stevo is now known as stevo_afk 03:32:22 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 04:19:37 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 05:13:32 * Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 07:55:13 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 07:55:32 --> flo has joined #instantbird 07:55:32 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 08:23:59 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 08:26:19 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 08:45:36 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 08:45:47 <iLobster> Greetings 09:54:59 --> flo has joined #instantbird 09:54:59 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 09:58:34 <flo> hi :) 10:01:31 <flo> I would be interested in having feedback about the status toolbar 10:25:03 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:25:43 <Mic> lo 10:33:17 <flo> ah, there's a new libpurple 10:34:01 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:54:59 <Morian> major? 10:56:48 <flo> 129 files changed, 1744 insertions(+), 2015 deletions(-) 10:58:30 <Morian> wow 10:58:42 <flo> that's an exciting addition: 10:58:42 <flo> +#if 0 10:58:42 <flo> + const char *ver; 10:58:42 <flo> +#endif 10:59:39 <Morian> haha 11:08:22 <flo> hmm, or: 106 files changed, 3410 insertions(+), 2030 deletions(-) 11:27:05 <Mic> Shall we extrapolate the number of insertions/deletions to "1 file changed"? ;) 11:27:15 <Mic> well, I guess it doesn't work this way :P 11:27:25 <flo> what do you mean by "1 file changed"? 11:27:50 <Mic> The number of files reduced by 20% 11:28:03 <Mic> The number of insertions increased to 200%.. 11:28:23 <flo> bah... 11:28:37 <flo> I don't know why the number of files changed has decreased in my second diffstat 11:28:39 <Mic> Now we do that for a single file :D 11:28:55 <flo> I know why the insertions is much hight (I added the 4 new files in the jabber protocol plugins) 11:28:57 <Mic> Must be about half a million insertions then or so 11:29:52 <Mic> ok, enough of this nonsense. 11:30:17 <flo> anyway, given that libpurple is now statically linked by default, it all goes into a single file (purple.dll on windows) :-P 11:30:40 <Mic> The checkmark replacing the icon on the status dropdown in the most recent nightly seems not optimal I think 11:31:36 <flo> It's terrible on Windows :( 11:31:55 <Mic> I tried to put it diplomatically;) 11:32:11 <flo> it's supposed to be the check mark + the status type icon (that's what it does on mac) 11:33:02 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 11:35:58 <iLobster> is there any screenshots of instantbird on macos with that new status feature? 11:36:17 <flo> iLobster: no. I don't know how to take a screenshot of a popup menu 11:36:43 <flo> oh, scratch that, it works 11:41:48 <iLobster> and win7 ver need transparent background or something 11:41:50 <iLobster> http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2085/ibstatusseven.png 11:42:03 <flo> ouch 11:42:07 <flo> thanks for reporting that! :) 11:46:06 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/status-toolbar-mac-1.png 11:46:06 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/status-toolbar-mac-2.png 11:46:06 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/status-toolbar-mac-3.png 11:46:06 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/status-toolbar-mac-4.png 12:18:18 <Mic> Aren't the icons pngs using transparency? 12:24:13 <Mic> (ie shouldn't it be working on Windows 7 as well if transparent pngs are shown properly?) 12:59:46 <flo> Mic: the problem is not the icon 13:00:02 <flo> there's probably a background-color with a system color on that XUL element 13:32:30 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 13:50:43 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 14:13:51 --> tymerkaev_ has joined #instantbird 14:14:12 <-- tymerkaev_ has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 18.104.22.168/2009122204]) 14:33:13 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 14:34:20 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 14:54:28 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9f87c7d641ba - Florian Quèze - Upgrade libpurple from version 2.6.5 to 2.6.6. 14:58:50 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 15:01:40 <instantbot> New purplexpcom - General bug 335 filed by email@example.com. 15:01:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Going offline should stop reconnection timers 15:03:52 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 336 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 15:03:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Message themes should be able to write in the status bar. 15:04:03 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:08:34 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 15:09:43 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:14:07 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 337 filed by email@example.com. 15:14:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Buddy list context menu broken on Mac debug build when the buddy list is not focused 15:16:18 <-- iLobster has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 15:20:12 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 338 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 15:20:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Notification bar above the 'no accounts' message 15:27:37 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 339 filed by email@example.com. 15:27:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Removing an away message should be a one-click action 15:31:59 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 340 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 15:32:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Propose a default message for the unavailable status type 15:35:12 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 341 filed by email@example.com. 15:35:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add a way to reorder groups in the buddy list. 15:46:48 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 342 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 15:46:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Per-group "show offline buddy" setting 15:51:40 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 343 filed by email@example.com. 15:51:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sort buddies alphabetically 15:56:23 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 344 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 15:56:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Figure out what to do with the "Show offline buddies" feature and offline accounts 16:07:08 * Gizmokid2005|AFK is now known as Gizmokid2005 16:15:12 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 345 filed by email@example.com. 16:15:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Changing the selected emoticons theme should refresh the message theme preview 16:53:26 * stevo_afk is now known as stevo 17:44:26 <-- Even has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:45:29 --> Even has joined #instantbird 17:45:29 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 17:47:18 --> tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 17:48:46 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 17:54:38 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7b72ec3dcc73 - Florian Quèze - Fix the error code returned when attempting to set the status before the initialization of libpurple. 17:54:39 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5ddfe9d855c6 - Florian Quèze - Remove the savedstatus default preference values (no longer used after e80e4127dfd5). 17:54:40 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9f946b3aa370 - Florian Quèze - The background of the status type icon in the status toolbar should be transparent (it was visible on Windows 7). 18:26:53 * stevo is now known as stevo_mtg 18:32:17 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 18:36:49 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 18:38:04 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 19:01:14 <-- tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:09:00 * stevo_mtg is now known as stevo 19:21:02 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:21:02 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:39:06 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 19:39:19 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 19:39:25 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 19:39:52 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 19:41:08 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 19:42:38 <Amfi> Hey everyone :) 19:43:05 <Amfi> flo: we've got a problem with hg server again.. 19:43:19 <Amfi> We do not receive any emails 20:06:23 --> rnr has joined #instantbird 20:06:45 <rnr> Any support for personas planned? 20:08:12 <rnr> Maybe for when you guys jump to Gecko 1.9.3? 20:09:10 <rnr> Nightly trunk running nicely. Good job guys!! 20:24:38 <-- rnr has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:25:52 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 20:37:28 <flo> Amfi: hi 20:37:45 <flo> which email is missing? 20:38:07 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:38:13 <Mic> hi 20:43:45 <Amfi> The messages we should receive after pushing new changes.. 20:43:48 <Amfi> "Result from your last push in Instantbird's locale repository" 20:44:19 <flo> but in http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/pl/repos/ I see that the last push was 9 days ago 20:45:00 <Amfi> The last four were not followed by e-mails 20:45:15 <Amfi> Neither me, nor Wareczek received any message 20:46:40 <flo> an email to Wareczek was sent Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:14:46 +0100 (CET) 20:47:21 <Amfi> Hmm... he said he did'nt get anything 20:47:23 <Mic> flo: what about the green "Go"-arrow from the Firefox adress bar as "connect" icon for the online status bar? 20:47:31 <flo> maybe it ended up in the spam folder? 20:47:34 <Amfi> I'll talk to him again and will come back to you again ;) 20:47:56 <flo> you can watch the process at http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/waterfall 20:48:28 <flo> I think the content of the emails is the output of "stdio" on the "merge" step 20:48:43 <Mic> I found it fitting this purpose when creating the mockups for the account quick access bar 20:48:49 <flo> this waterfall contains the logs of langpack creation for all languages 20:49:22 <flo> Mic: I thought about this. I guess we could try. 20:49:49 <flo> It seems to me that it's more associated to "Play" (like on DVD/mp3 players) than to "connect" 20:49:55 <flo> but maybe it's the best we can do 20:56:00 <Mic> Are two [x] next to each other too much of a good thing? 20:56:37 <flo> arg, I had Mac OS X in mind of course :-/ 20:57:39 <Mic> hmm? 20:57:46 <Mic> Oh, three then. :D 20:58:23 <Mic> Wait a minute .. 20:58:59 <flo> 3? 20:59:55 <Mic> https://wiki.instantbird.org/File:Cancel_status.png 21:02:46 <flo> hmm, I thought that by "next to each other" you meant that on Windows there's one in the top right corner of the window 21:03:58 <Mic> I admit it looks to much so close together and might show pretty little of the message when you have a narrow window 21:04:19 <Mic> Still I like the idea to discard the current status message with a click 21:05:04 <flo> currently it's a click and a keypress 21:05:17 <flo> oh, 2 keypresses 21:05:40 <flo> hmm, no, one :) 21:05:56 <flo> click, backspace, <do anything you want, unrelated to the status> :) 21:06:26 <Mic> Or doing nothing at all ;) 21:06:44 <flo> isn't chosing to do nothing already an action? :) 21:06:52 <Mic> lol 21:07:29 <Mic> I was writing a longer line about the philosophical question if "doing nothing" is "doing anything" 21:09:56 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 21:10:06 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:10:15 <-- GeekShad0w has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:10:26 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 21:10:48 <flo> in this case it's "wait for 20 seconds" 21:17:56 <Mic> Accessing the menu doesn't cancel editing the status message (and therefor doesn't accept a status change) 21:18:00 <Mic> *therefore 21:18:24 <flo> ah? 21:18:30 <flo> is that causing some sort of bugs? 21:19:55 <Mic> It was just unexpected 21:20:24 <Mic> I set the status from away to available and directly accessed the menu again, just to notice that I'm still shown as unavailable (while expecting that my choice has been accepted) 21:21:48 <Mic> Why would the menu be an exception? It's not like you could copy a status message from there and therefore might want to keep the status message in edit mode (imo) 21:21:50 <flo> I don't know if we should try to fix that 21:22:12 <flo> if you want to, feel free to patch it :-) 21:23:34 <Mic> I've been here for too long already this evening.. 21:23:59 * Mic will repot an indoor plant now instead of fixing a bug :D 21:24:33 <flo> :) 21:24:41 <flo> say hi to the plant :) 21:37:36 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:54:09 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 21:54:42 <DGMurdockIII> will there eventualu be a weasu way to cange you away stat 21:54:57 <flo> ? 21:55:02 <DGMurdockIII> from the gui with out going throug the men 21:55:36 <DGMurdockIII> you now how you added the tyhe avablie to the top of buddy list 21:55:55 <DGMurdockIII> will you be able to change you status using that 21:56:08 <flo> so what are you asking exactly? 21:56:11 <DGMurdockIII> or will you still have to go go to file 21:56:22 <flo> just click on the status type icon 21:56:43 <DGMurdockIII> ok did not knoe that 21:57:13 <DGMurdockIII> i have one problem with how the icon look right now 21:57:25 <DGMurdockIII> i like how it looks bit 21:57:54 <DGMurdockIII> it looks like there is white backround behind it 21:58:09 <DGMurdockIII> other than than that it look great 21:58:11 <flo> this issue: http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2085/ibstatusseven.png ? 21:58:21 <DGMurdockIII> yes 21:58:38 <flo> it's already been reported this morning (morning in my timezone). 21:58:41 <flo> it's fixed for the next nightly 21:59:22 <DGMurdockIII> about taking a long time top start up 21:59:45 <DGMurdockIII> iwhere it start to slow down is retriving buddy lists 21:59:48 <flo> have you noticed an improvement with this nightly? 21:59:58 <DGMurdockIII> a littel bit 22:00:33 <flo> it should load about 13 files less at startup 22:00:59 <DGMurdockIII> let me see if still loads in less time 22:01:07 <Mic> flo: 22:59:46 - DGMurdockIII: iwhere it start to slow down is retriving buddy lists 22:01:26 <flo> Mic: that's not startup, it's connecting 22:01:27 <Mic> It's about loading the buddies, not the application itself..? 22:01:31 <flo> with network latency 22:01:57 <flo> all the thing we can do about that is adding a nice animation while the buddy list is empty, so that the time look shorter... 22:02:22 <flo> (but it has a big potential to improve perceived performance, which is often as important as real performance) 22:02:27 <DGMurdockIII> yeah but with aim or pidgin it dosmnt take this long 22:02:37 <Mic> well, if someone has auto-connect, then it might be hard to tell what counts to loading application or buddies 22:03:34 <DGMurdockIII> even digsby connects in less time 22:03:42 <flo> AIM has been espetially slow to connect for me the last few days 22:03:56 <flo> Reading #pidgin, it seems the AOL servers are having issues. 22:04:07 <Mic> ICQ recently takes a lot of time to connect 22:04:31 <flo> and the code takes a lot of time to write! 22:04:38 <flo> and to compile on Windows! 22:04:47 <DGMurdockIII> but i only ever use them to instantbird to 22:05:05 <DGMurdockIII> cto compair instantbird to 22:05:19 <DGMurdockIII> brb 22:05:28 <DGMurdockIII> bathroom 22:06:45 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 22:07:13 <flo> I'd like to have reliable ways to measure startup (and connection) times! 22:09:35 <DGMurdockIII> once you do that then 22:09:54 <flo> I've no idea of how to do it 22:10:04 <flo> but we are probably not slower than pidgin 22:11:33 <DGMurdockIII> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1553984/how-to-test-applications-startup-time-or-performance/1557583 22:11:37 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 22:12:24 <DGMurdockIII> flo use https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/ 22:12:51 <flo> it's not related at all 22:13:52 <DGMurdockIII> they did a test to messure start up and shuut down 22:14:34 <flo> mozilla has lots of tests for that 22:15:01 <flo> Ts and Tshutdown in they buildfarm. More recently, they also started measuring cold startup time. 22:16:40 <DGMurdockIII> why could you do somthing like that 22:17:12 <flo> we don't have the same ressources 22:21:14 <DGMurdockIII> this problem is not that bad really 22:24:39 <DGMurdockIII> but if it could be improved that be good 22:28:20 <DGMurdockIII> flo have you heard of irseek for irc channel loging 22:31:46 <flo> I hadn't ;) 22:33:16 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.irseek.com/ 22:33:37 <flo> yeah, google found it ;) 22:35:22 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 346 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 22:35:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Buddy list always on top 22:35:36 <DGMurdockIII> what do you think of that 22:35:54 <DGMurdockIII> have you look in to cia 22:36:23 <DGMurdockIII> http://cia.vc/ 22:37:56 <Mic> DGMurdockIII: Instantbot already reports many important things here 22:38:03 <DGMurdockIII> what do you think of using Personas as the the theme engine for instantbird now that it used in firefox by defult 22:38:14 <flo> theme for what? 22:38:15 <Mic> and you can always monitor some rss feeds if you need more 22:38:30 <DGMurdockIII> for buddy list 22:38:33 <flo> do you want to theme the tab bar? Is it worth so much effort 22:38:47 <DGMurdockIII> some people do 22:56:39 <Mic> Castrated themes .. 22:56:57 <Mic> sorry.. I meant "lightweight" ofcourse ;) 22:57:07 <flo> yeah ;) 22:57:18 <flo> the interesting part is "install without restart" 22:57:40 <flo> instantbot: bug 302 ;) 22:57:43 <instantbot> flo: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302 enh, --, nobody, NEW, Dynamic theme switching 22:58:01 <Mic> I don't really have a problem with restarting when the application seamlessly restores the previous state 22:58:47 <flo> it will still show you as offline for a few seconds 22:58:58 <flo> which means you will have to say something about it in almost all your active conversations 22:59:06 <Mic> Morian: does instantbot support searching for bugs? 22:59:31 <flo> instantbot: do you have bugs? 22:59:34 <instantbot> flo: Sorry, I've no idea what 'do you have bugs' might be. 22:59:59 <Mic> like "instantbot: findbug: theme switching" 23:00:11 <flo> instantbot: help 23:00:13 <instantbot> flo: help info /msg'ed 23:00:48 <flo> Bugzilla: bug, bug-total, bugs, ignore, unignore 23:03:34 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 23:03:54 <Mic> rank 23:04:04 <Mic> instantbot: rank 23:04:05 <instantbot> The person with the most karma is wikipedia with 1 points. 23:04:21 <Mic> wikipedia -- 23:26:20 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.org bug 347 filed by email@example.com. 23:26:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Rework www.instantbird.org 23:27:42 <Mic> od night 23:27:45 <Mic> *good 23:28:55 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre)