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00:11:22 --> GeekShado_ has joined #instantbird 00:12:15 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:28:39 <Morian> hi and bye vicnet ^^', it's late (well quite late) here 00:28:54 <vicnet> good night to you then! 02:46:31 --> ecmuller has joined #instantbird 02:47:11 <ecmuller> hey...the site is all borked? 03:24:10 <vicnet> good night! 03:24:12 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 04:11:26 <-- GeekShado_ has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 05:25:14 * Gizmokid2005 is now known as Gizmokid2005|AFK 06:19:28 --> Amfi has joined #instantbird 06:25:49 <-- Amfi has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 06:59:47 --> Tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 07:15:44 <flo> ecmuller: why/how? 07:16:18 <ecmuller> flo: the blog is broken 07:16:45 <ecmuller> the developers section didn't come up before but it seems fine now 07:17:08 <ecmuller> that might have been a network problem 07:17:18 <ecmuller> the blog gives an error though 07:19:06 <flo> the hard disk where mysql is is full 07:19:55 <ecmuller> hmm...well just thought I'd let you know 07:20:06 <ecmuller> I was worried maybe things had died 07:20:43 <flo> things ? 07:21:07 <ecmuller> instantbird 07:21:23 <flo> why would it have? 07:22:35 <ecmuller> I don't know 07:22:58 <flo> are you using nightly builds? 07:23:03 <ecmuller> I check in on it every few months, and this time I saw the site was having issues 07:24:18 <flo> ok, the blog works again 07:24:24 <flo> thanks for reporting the issue :) 07:25:06 <ecmuller> Yup I see it again 07:26:47 <flo> ecmuller: a project like this one can only die if nobody cares about it anymore. 07:27:04 <flo> If the original developers ever give up, it won't be by silently shutting down the blog or the main website, but by putting an announcement about why they aren't going to work on the project anymore, and what others can do to take it over. 07:27:25 <ecmuller> cool 07:27:26 <flo> and I can assure you that it's not going to happen in the near few months! 07:27:38 <flo> we are about to release 0.2 beta 2 and quickly after that 0.2 final 07:27:52 <ecmuller> good stuff 07:28:11 <flo> and we have exciting projects for the next version after that :) 07:29:08 <ecmuller> I really like the potential instantbird has 07:29:44 <flo> is there something you are particularly looking forward to? 07:30:32 <ecmuller> Well, I mostly use pidgin and that does what I need 07:31:06 <ecmuller> but it's far from perfect 07:31:42 <ecmuller> I really like the history from trillian, with the usage graphs etc 07:32:05 <ecmuller> thunderbird 3 has something like that in the search now 07:33:19 <flo> like this: http://psi-im.org/wiki/uploads/1/1a/Gsoc08_history_trillian.jpg ? 07:33:52 <ecmuller> yeah exactly that 07:34:28 <flo> the comment on the page where I found this screenshot: "Nice, but activity graph is useless. " :-D. 07:34:49 <flo> apparently, someone hasn't understood the concept of graphic visualization :-D 07:35:00 <ecmuller> it's been a long time since I used trillian but I sort of miss how nice the history browser was 07:36:04 <ecmuller> well it is mostly eye candy, but it does make figuring out the dynamics of the conversation at a glance, timestamps don't really show flow very well 07:37:15 <ecmuller> I haven't seen a better implementation of history yet 07:37:17 <flo> oh, that's for a single conversation? 07:37:42 <flo> I thought it was the history of all conversation with that person, so that you can locate quickly when you talked to that person 07:37:49 <ecmuller> you can 07:37:58 <ecmuller> it's for the whole day 07:38:15 <flo> ah 07:38:21 <ecmuller> you can access others on the calendar 07:38:31 <ecmuller> it could probably be made better 07:38:57 <ecmuller> maybe changing the resolution of the graph instead of having the calendar 07:39:11 <flo> the idea I currently have is to display a graphical view at the top of the history viewer window, and make sure people can scroll though it 07:39:19 <flo> I don't like the calenda 07:39:21 <flo> r 07:39:37 <ecmuller> yeah 07:40:01 <flo> though, I guess the interest of having the graphical view vertical is that it scrolls in the same direction as the conversation. Hmm... 07:40:06 <ecmuller> there's room for improvement, I just don't know why everyone else didn't follow them down that path 07:40:30 <flo> because doing something great with that is a lot of work 07:40:41 <ecmuller> well yeah lol 07:40:53 <ecmuller> but I mean even projects with more resources 07:41:35 <flo> which one? 07:41:51 <ecmuller> well even something like the official MSN client 07:41:55 <flo> pidgin developers don't seem to love eye candy 07:42:06 <ecmuller> true enough lol 07:42:32 <flo> Adium which has a rather nice UI seems to be missing developer resources these days. 07:42:40 <flo> I don't know about the development team of Kopete 07:42:43 <ecmuller> adium is really pretty 07:44:25 <ecmuller> I like what you guys are doing with the protocol add ons 07:45:35 <ecmuller> theoretically you could update the plugins without updating the whole program, although I'm probably misunderstanding how libpurple works 07:47:03 <flo> if plugins are installed as addons, yes, we can update just the plugin 07:47:19 <ecmuller> cool 07:47:31 <flo> otherwise, we need to upgrade the whole application. But with our update system, the user download (automatically!) just the update, not the whole application every time 07:47:53 <ecmuller> that could be more efficient than pidgin 07:49:01 <ecmuller> I suppose that history could be done as an addon as well? 07:49:50 <flo> yes 07:50:09 <flo> by the way, we already have a (very basic/poor) log viewer 07:50:30 <flo> if you want to do something great with the history, you have to change first the way the history is stored 07:50:51 <flo> currently the logs are stored by libpurple in the same way as they are stored for pidgin, so it's not easy to do something great with them... 07:50:52 <ecmuller> is it the same way pidgin stores it... 07:50:58 <ecmuller> yeah 07:51:30 <ecmuller> It could be done but it's not super friendly 07:52:00 <ecmuller> it does allow external access though, database type stuff doesn't 07:52:23 <flo> external access for what? 07:52:40 <ecmuller> I use tail on the sytem logs 07:52:53 <flo> oh, you are a geek then ;) 07:52:57 <ecmuller> lol 07:53:02 <flo> but why do you need to do that in the first place? 07:53:11 <ecmuller> I don't need to 07:53:23 <flo> isn't it that a view of the history recent events is missing somewhere? 07:53:55 <ecmuller> but I can see at a glance who's signed on or off recently 07:54:31 <flo> wouldn't it be better to see that with an icon next to each event, and maybe even the buddy icon of the contact? 07:55:13 <ecmuller> well yeah, but if it happened 20 minutes ago or something 07:55:34 <ecmuller> although by that point it doesn't really matter 07:57:12 <ecmuller> I don't know, a large part of the reason is just because I can 07:57:55 <flo> you can also jump out of the window, but you probably don't do it just "because you can" ;) 07:58:09 <ecmuller> also if I'm not staring at the screen but just hear the sound, I can go check who it was 07:59:34 <flo> so that's "a view of the history recent events is missing somewhere" ;) 08:00:04 <ecmuller> ah ok I misread that 08:00:31 <ecmuller> maybe a small feed of the most recent status changes would fix that 08:00:58 <ecmuller> like a tab on the buddy list or something 09:01:17 <flo> I'd rather have something that doesn't need a click to provide useful information 09:01:51 <flo> otherwise, most users will probably never benefit from it because they won't think about clicking on that tab, which in this case would become just a waste of space 09:14:46 <Tymerkaev> hi flo 09:14:54 <flo> hi 09:15:04 <Tymerkaev> I have a problem with sending patches to the server 09:15:36 <flo> ah? 09:15:48 <Tymerkaev> real URL is http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/ru/repos/ 09:15:50 <Tymerkaev> pushing to http://Tymerkaev:***@hg.instantbird.org/l10n/ru/ 09:15:52 <Tymerkaev> searching for changes 09:15:53 <Tymerkaev> HTTP Error 405: push requires POST request 09:15:55 <Tymerkaev> [command interrupted] 09:16:48 <Tymerkaev> I use TortoiseHg 09:16:53 <flo> http is read-only. You need to use an https URL to push. 09:17:56 <Tymerkaev> ok I try 09:30:15 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:30:15 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:35:00 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Quit: Hi. I'm a quit message virus. Add me to your configuration file, and help me take over the world of IRC.) 10:01:07 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 10:01:49 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:02:11 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 10:08:14 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:08:25 <Mic> good morning 10:10:40 <-- Tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:50:46 <-- Even has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:51:24 --> Even has joined #instantbird 10:51:24 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 11:39:45 <Mic> flo: is it intended that when moving a buddy between groups, the animation of a singing-off-buddy is shown? 11:39:53 <Mic> *signing 11:40:13 <flo> more or less 11:40:21 <flo> I think it's nice to have an animation in this case 11:40:30 <flo> but displaying the grey "offline" icon is probably not appropriate 11:51:26 <Mic> There are some strange bugs with moving buddies between groups by the way 11:52:02 <Mic> e.g. duplication of buddies and other things like unmovable buddies.. 11:52:47 <flo> :( 11:53:03 <Mic> Some can't be renamed and so on .. 11:53:14 <flo> it's even worse when you attempt to move buddies while offline buddies are displayed 11:53:27 <Mic> That's what I tried to do .. 11:53:44 <flo> ah 11:54:08 <Mic> When ordering your buddy list you can hardly wait for each buddy to sign on .. 11:54:48 <flo> or maybe you can :) 11:55:13 <flo> do you feel the need to have an ordered buddy list, or do you feel the need to put "this specific buddy" in another group when you see it? 11:55:28 <flo> who cares if buddies that are never online/visible are not in the right group? 11:56:35 <Mic> Just because he's not online when I re-order my buddy list doesn't imply that a buddy never signs on 11:57:22 <flo> yeah, I know 11:57:35 <flo> but the current UI is clearly not adapted for moving a lot of buddies at once 11:59:46 <Mic> Another one: only half of the offline buddies get hidden when unchecking "Show offline buddies" 12:00:10 <flo> known bug too 12:00:39 <flo> the one that are not hidden or either buddies that don't exist (you have moved them to another group, and they don't exist anymore in this group, it's just a display problem) 12:01:00 <flo> or buddies that you have in the buddy lists of several accounts, and at least one of the account is not connected 12:01:24 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 12:01:44 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:31:55 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 12:43:37 --> Tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 12:44:11 <-- Tymerkaev has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:44:36 --> Tymerkaev has joined #instantbird 12:58:52 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 13:02:20 <-- devfil has quit (Ping timeout) 13:40:50 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 14:14:18 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 14:25:27 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 14:27:26 * flo has just seen that his father was still using Instantbird 0.1.2 (compiled in July 2008!) 14:29:52 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 14:43:45 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 14:43:45 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 14:43:45 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 19:29:54 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 19:29:54 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 19:29:54 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 19:32:18 <-- devfil has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 20:15:11 <-- Gizmokid2005|AFK has quit (Ping timeout) 20:16:05 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 21:14:31 --> GeekShad0w has joined #instantbird 21:15:18 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:55:27 <flo> good night 22:56:16 <vicnet> good night everyone, I'm leaving too :) 22:56:51 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre)