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00:05:50 <-- stevo has quit (Ping timeout) 00:33:44 --> flo has joined #instantbird 00:33:44 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 00:42:20 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: get satisfied! :: www.unitedservers.de ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» gamersirc.net ::) 00:44:12 --> stevo has joined #instantbird 01:17:18 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: The cake is a lie !) 01:54:32 <-- stevo has quit (Ping timeout) 05:11:10 --> stevo has joined #instantbird 06:29:39 <-- stevo has quit (Ping timeout) 07:25:10 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 08:15:15 <-- Chaz6 has quit (Quit: client update) 08:16:06 --> Chaz6 has joined #instantbird 09:52:03 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 09:54:52 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:55:01 <Mic> morning 09:55:55 <Chaz6> Heya 09:57:25 <flo> hi :) 09:58:56 <Mic> Such activity on a sunday morning ;) 10:01:51 <Chaz6> Right now i'm at a dental surgery doing some maintenance, such fun 10:02:41 <Chaz6> I hate sbs so much 10:03:33 <Mic> sbs, ie Windows Small Business Server? 10:05:22 <Chaz6> Yes 10:22:54 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 10:27:21 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:28:25 <Mic> flo: what about reducing the opacity of buddy list icons for offline buddies like on offline accounts? 10:49:29 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 11:05:37 <flo> Mic: I'm not sure I understood what you mean 11:07:04 <Mic> Right now there's online the grey circle distinguishing them from online buddies 11:07:20 <Mic> Even idle buddies are more discernable 11:08:52 <Mic> *"only" not "online" 11:09:27 <flo> so, what about putting the text in grey and italic? 11:10:32 <Mic> sounds good as well 11:11:18 <flo> I wondered if we should put the green dot on online buddies when offline buddies are displayed 11:11:27 <flo> or maybe always... 11:15:16 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 11:28:56 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 11:32:33 <Mic> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/700488 11:33:35 <Mic> That's just the icon set to less opacity and the grey circle hidden (as it just duplicates the message "is offline") 11:37:44 <flo> why do you want to hide the status icon? 11:38:06 <flo> "is offline" is not written anywhere 11:39:37 <Mic> Shouldn't it be on the tooltip? 11:40:00 <Mic> oh, it isn't :/ 11:43:39 <Mic> ah, sorry. It took me a while: 11:43:44 <Mic> I meant: the grey icon is the message "is offline" 11:45:05 <Mic> In my opinion it clutters the list, makes the other status less discernable thereby, hides the protocol icons, and a less obstrusive display can carry the message as well 11:45:22 <flo> the most outstanding issue we have with that feature is: should we display buddies of offline accounts? 11:45:59 <Mic> Personally I think it's not a good idea to show them 11:46:37 <Mic> I usually use offline buddies to leave them a message 11:46:46 <flo> there are 3 usecases: 11:47:14 <Mic> Accessing logs maybe might be an interesting case for offline accounts 11:47:26 <Mic> Or modifying the name/group/ .. 11:47:28 <flo> 1. I want to send messages to people even when they are not "online". In this case, you don't want to see buddies of offline accounts, and you don't want to see offline buddies of connected accounts that can't send offline messages. 11:48:32 <flo> 2. You want to move buddies between groups, to tidy up your list. You want all buddies of online accounts, but seeing also the buddies of offline accounts sucks, because these changes won't/can't be saved on the server, so they will likely be lost the next time you connect. 11:48:50 <flo> 3. See the log of old conversations. In this case, you want to see ALL the buddies. 11:49:37 <flo> these 3 valid usecases need a different behavior. How can we make an UI that works without sucking too much for all of them? 11:52:09 <Mic> It might be a piece of work, but want about queueing renames if the account is not connected and transmitting the changes as soon as it comes online next time? 11:52:32 <Mic> (or moving them between groups) 11:52:55 <flo> clearly something we want to do for 0.3 or later. Not 0.2. 11:54:33 <Mic> Same could go for messages (in this case the user should know that it will be delayed (maybe displaying an icon that tells that there are messages waiting to be sent for an account on the account manager as well?) 11:54:49 <Mic> Well, it was more about the if-at-all not the when 11:55:42 <flo> it sounds like a good idea... with a lot of UI problems :-D 11:55:56 <flo> if the message is not sent yet, the user needs a way to cancel it 11:56:04 <flo> to review them 11:56:06 <flo> edit them 11:56:28 <Mic> yep 11:56:38 <Mic> Away for lunch now 11:56:43 <Mic> Have a nice day 11:56:51 <flo> thanks, have a nice day too :) 13:08:13 <Mic> With many items in the groups I'd prefer if the left-arrow-key would select the current group item when you've selected a buddy (cf behaviour on the directory tree in Windows explorer) 13:08:47 <Mic> (just my 2 cents: it's something I frequently do when going though such lists) 13:08:52 <Mic> gtg 14:08:38 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 14:13:22 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/72d41af293b7 - Florian Qu?ze - The 'escape' key should close the log viewer. 14:13:23 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/8b4b821df2cf - Florian Qu?ze - Add a way (from the buddy list context menu) to move buddies between groups. 14:13:24 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/f272be182fcb - Florian Qu?ze - Add a 'New Group...' menu item at the end of the list of tags of the 'Move to...' menu. 14:13:25 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/a4c7650019e3 - Florian Qu?ze - Sort the list of tags in the 'Move to...' popup menu. 14:13:26 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/6361822acbff - Florian Qu?ze - Bug 323 - Guard the aliasing mode against re-entry. 14:13:27 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/b33f9be8d6b8 - Benedikt P. - Bug 322 - Add ellipsis for menu items that require further user interaction. r=fqueze 14:13:28 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/6f60e7dacb4d - Florian Qu?ze - Add a 'Show offline buddies' context menu item on the buddy list. 14:13:29 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/0de08e9a83d0 - Florian Qu?ze - Do not reset the logs pref at each initialization of libpurple. 14:13:30 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/7e8688bd3658 - Florian Qu?ze - Remove the old and broken 'new message' notification. 14:13:31 <instantbot> Check-in: http://s_ib_main:81/instantbird/rev/9ead83b72460 - Benedikt P. - Fix typo in id of a menuseparator... 14:20:26 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 14:31:00 --> Troy has joined #instantbird 14:33:24 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/0de08e9a83d0 - Florian Qu?ze - Do not reset the logs pref at each initialization of libpurple. 14:33:25 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/9ead83b72460 - Benedikt P. - Fix typo in id of a menuseparator... 14:33:26 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/72d41af293b7 - Florian Qu?ze - The 'escape' key should close the log viewer. 14:33:27 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/a4c7650019e3 - Florian Qu?ze - Sort the list of tags in the 'Move to...' popup menu. 14:33:28 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/f272be182fcb - Florian Qu?ze - Add a 'New Group...' menu item at the end of the list of tags of the 'Move to...' menu. 14:33:29 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/6361822acbff - Florian Qu?ze - Bug 323 - Guard the aliasing mode against re-entry. 14:33:30 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/6f60e7dacb4d - Florian Qu?ze - Add a 'Show offline buddies' context menu item on the buddy list. 14:33:30 <-- flo has kicked instantbot from #instantbird 14:33:31 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/7e8688bd3658 - Florian Qu?ze - Remove the old and broken 'new message' notification. 14:33:32 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/b33f9be8d6b8 - Benedikt P. - Bug 322 - Add ellipsis for menu items that require further user interaction. r=fqueze 14:33:34 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org:81/instantbird/rev/8b4b821df2cf - Florian Qu?ze - Add a way (from the buddy list context menu) to move buddies between groups. 17:06:55 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 17:06:55 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. 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Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/." 17:06:55 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 17:07:27 <Morian> instantbot: you feel better? 17:07:29 <instantbot> Morian: Sorry, I've no idea what 'you feel better' might be. 17:43:52 <-- Troy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:52:04 <-- GeekShado_ has quit (Ping timeout) 17:56:08 --> GeekShado_ has joined #instantbird 18:06:03 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 18:06:23 <-- vicnet has quit (Client exited) 18:19:57 <-- GeekShado_ has quit (Ping timeout) 18:37:52 --> GeekShado_ has joined #instantbird 19:12:39 <-- GeekShado_ has quit (Ping timeout) 19:31:22 --> GeekShado_ has joined #instantbird 19:39:40 <-- GeekShado_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:03:41 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:47:36 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 20:48:31 <Mic> flo: "Make the pref to search as soon as the user starts typing work (or hide the pref UI if we are too lazy in the end-game)" 20:48:49 <Mic> ie Find as you type if the text box is not focused (instead of giving it focus) 20:53:41 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:55:15 <flo> yes 20:55:47 <Mic> btw is possible to have an account in several groups in the buddy list? 20:56:08 <flo> an account in the buddy list? 20:56:12 <Mic> *buddy 20:56:29 <Mic> the same buddy in several groups 20:56:46 <flo> the question is simple, but the answer is not 20:56:56 <Mic> That's what I meant. I have items in the buddy list that refer to the same buddy 20:57:08 <Mic> Renaming one of them changes the name of the second as well 20:57:50 <flo> are they on the same account or on different accounts? 20:58:35 <Mic> Same account 21:06:52 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 21:25:10 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 21:25:15 --> flo has joined #instantbird 21:25:15 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 21:28:04 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 21:28:05 --> flo has joined #instantbird 21:28:05 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 21:55:15 <-- devfil has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 22:08:26 --> Eventreur has joined #instantbird 22:08:40 <Eventreur> hi all ! 22:08:48 <flo> Eventreur: good evening :) 22:09:02 <Eventreur> Thanks a lot :) 22:10:19 <Eventreur> instantbot: parle ! 22:10:22 <instantbot> Eventreur: Sorry, I've no idea what 'parle' might be. 22:10:23 --> testib has joined #instantbird 22:10:29 <Eventreur> yeah :) 23:19:06 <-- Eventreur has quit (Ping timeout) 23:26:06 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 23:59:42 <flo> instantbot: how are you? 23:59:43 <instantbot> flo: fine thanks! I've been up 11 days so far!