#instantbird log on 01 22 2010

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06:34:07 <flo> I think the answer to Mook_sb's question is yes.
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09:23:17 <Mic> hello
09:26:16 <Morian> hi Mic
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09:32:13 <flo> hi :)
09:32:17 <Morian> hey
09:52:21 <Mic> The software update dialog is shared among Mozilla based products or is it application specific?
09:52:28 <flo> shared
09:52:33 <Mic> ok, thanks
09:53:09 <flo> you hoped to change something in it?
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09:55:34 <Mic> No, I'm just going to report a bug
09:57:47 <flo> if you report a bug to mozilla that is visible in instantbird, don't hesitate to CC: me on the bug
09:57:58 <flo> my bugzilla email on bugzilla.mozilla.org is florian@queze.net
09:58:22 <Mic> I don't know
10:00:16 <Mic> https://bug541331.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=422936
10:00:25 <Mic> It's just mis-sized dialog
10:02:05 <flo> ouch
10:02:13 <flo> it's surprising that they haven't tested that
10:02:50 <flo> the "Die neue Version herunter<something>" seems like a long translation for "Download now"
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10:05:58 <Mic> Much more annoying: most recently Firefox and Thunderbird hang after closing them, memory consumption is constant, cpu load 100% in most cases :S 
10:06:35 <flo> for how long?
10:06:58 <Mic> Until I kill the processes as far as I can tell
10:11:53 <Mic> Let's see if the problem persists with Firefox 3.6
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10:48:22 <flo> Mic: are you close to having a version of the status bar patch that we could check-in?
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11:08:42 <Mic> no
11:08:45 <Mic> how urgent is it?
11:10:02 <flo> If we want to have it in 0.2beta2 (which I hope we will release at the end of the month)... we will need to check it in soon so that we have test it and fix the minor issues in a nightly or two
11:10:26 <flo> *have time to
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11:47:38 <flo> uhuh, Firefox just updated on powerbird
11:47:51 <flo> "You are now using Firefox 3.0.15" :-S
11:48:26 <flo> and if I check for updates, it downloads 3.0.17 :-S
11:53:16 <flo> then 3.0.17 downloads 3.5.7
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11:57:16 <flo> which finally downloads 3.6
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12:04:51 <Amfi> flo: you got a while?
12:05:12 <flo> not now, sorry. I've got to go. I'll be back in less than an hour
12:05:33 <Amfi> oh right, i'll try to catch you then
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12:20:32 <Troy> Hi flo
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13:05:48 <flo> Troy: I forgot to push my changes yesterday evening, sorry :(
13:06:33 <Troy> flo: maybe now?
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13:11:13 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 318 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
13:11:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Check if topic on IRC channels is editable and make UI respond accordingly
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14:10:48 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/cb6d5feadbfc - Florian Qu?ze - Fix handling of the 'Variant' preference menulist in the Themes prefpane.
14:10:49 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/696561de58d4 - Florian Qu?ze - Allow formatted messages by default.
14:10:50 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a0f9e5524b06 - Florian Qu?ze - [Mac] Make sure the selected conversation tab is of the same color as the title bar even on Snow Leopard.
14:10:51 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/56ab68db2e4d - Florian Qu?ze - Leave the alias mode when the selection in the buddy list changes.
14:10:52 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/741f82f51008 - Florian Qu?ze - Don't leave the aliasing mode when another window takes focus.
14:10:53 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/1e33ac21b3e6 - Florian Qu?ze - Remove unused duplicateBookmarkMsg string.
14:10:54 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/289027844280 - Florian Qu?ze - Fix metadata of the default UI theme.
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15:09:22 <Ruyan> Hi, what else except purplexpcom do I need, if i want use it on my own client? because i see some header files which is not in purplexpcom.
15:10:02 <flo> are you trying to compile it?
15:12:40 <Ruyan> instantbird? i have already compiled
15:13:10 <flo> I don't understand your question then
15:14:13 <Ruyan> in purplexpcom there is director src, i guess its used to connect to libpurple
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15:16:06 <flo> purplexpcom is the xpcom component making libpurple usable from JavaScript
15:16:51 <Ruyan> there is some header like nsMemory, nsScore, which is under /mozilla/xpcom, for what is it? when i put all of purplexpcom into my program, i need also all files from /mozilla/xpcom?
15:17:49 <flo> to compile purplexpcom, you need to have a mozilla build around
15:21:36 <Ruyan> so i don't have worry about headers like nsMemory.h, nsScore.h, nsNetUtil.h etc. its included in the mozilla build?
15:21:56 <flo> it's in the mozilla SDK
15:22:30 <Ruyan> aha, i thought it's not included
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15:27:40 * flo is looking for an irc channel with lots of people talking quickly (for a test), any idea of where I can go?
15:42:49 <flo> I'm doing an experiment of graphical visualization of an IRC conversation, here's what I got: http://queze.net/goinfre/canvas-irc2.png
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15:49:50 <Mic> haha, I like the joke on the fifth line :P
15:54:34 <Mic> flo: what areyou displaying there?
15:57:16 <flo> each circle is a message (in an IRC channel)
15:57:36 <flo> the radius of the circle depends on the length of the message (it's the log of the length)
15:57:43 <flo> the color is the same as the color in the nicklist
15:58:35 <Mic> And the position?
16:00:58 <flo> there's a dot moving randomly
16:01:16 <flo> (the grey things)
16:01:47 <flo> the circle is drawn at the place where the dot is when the message arrives
16:02:16 <flo> this way, when there are circles close to each other, you can see there were people likely interacting
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16:11:44 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/canvas-irc4.png :)
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16:20:56 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/59e22ea5c303 - Florian Qu?ze - Remove duplicated strings.
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16:47:42 <flo> vicnet volunteers to be the French translators :)
16:48:28 <Mic> Was that an announcement or a decision? ;)
16:49:07 <flo> he says "both"
16:49:12 <flo> (he's in the office)
16:49:43 <Mic> hehe, nice
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17:06:50 <flo> gtg
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21:01:38 <DGMurdockIII> what up guys
21:12:34 * Mic idles.
21:13:19 * flo has got a polish language pack to test
21:13:40 <Mic> well, actually I don't: trying to get some decent result on the account status bar and maybe fixing a bug later
21:14:35 <flo> heh :)
21:16:10 <Mic> The use system colors bug is strange btw .. it seems the settings get loaded before the color dialog is opened yet 
21:17:35 <Mic> If I change the connected setting (use_system_color) from the pref window (ie outside), it doesn't affect the "use system color" checkbox
21:18:06 <Mic> Only after the pref window is closed and opened again it shows the new state
21:26:32 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> is file sending broken?
21:26:33 <flo> I didn't get that, sorry. But it may be related to my tiredness ;)
21:27:06 <flo> DLP: is it possible to break something that has never been implemented yet?
21:32:12 <DGMurdockIII> i did not now the fie transfer was implmented yet
21:32:33 <flo> DGMurdockIII: it isn't
21:32:48 <DGMurdockIII> yeah i now
21:36:02 <Mic> Video chats seem to be broken too :/
21:36:20 <flo> mind reading too, unfortunately
21:53:13 <DGMurdockIII> is the install for windows ready to be tested
21:53:15 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> flo:nope, apparently this is the first time I've tried to send a file in the 2+ years I've been using IB, that's kinda surprising come to think of it
21:55:00 <flo> so you've just discovered that it's not a very useful feature, because it's often so broken that nobody can really rely on it?
21:55:48 <flo> I've argued several times with Even on whether we should support file transfer like pidgin does, even though it will only very rarely work; or if we should take our time to do something that really works
21:56:40 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> well of course I think we should do something that works, not rely on broken code from somwhere else, but that's easy for me to say...
21:57:33 <DGMurdockIII> what the easest methed to get file transfer implmented
21:57:40 <DGMurdockIII> in to instbird
21:57:51 <DGMurdockIII> instantbird*
21:58:11 <flo> DGMurdockIII: send the file as an email attachment :-P
21:59:23 <DGMurdockIII> no i ment eather the pidgin way or doing somthing that works
22:00:32 <DGMurdockIII> I thijnk you could use the pidgin way but fix it so it actally works correctly
22:00:49 <flo> DetroitLibertyPenguin: it's not only the code that is broken, but the whole idea of expecting to find a way to connect directly the 2 persons talking
22:02:32 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> right, file transfer is good...when I was in college we used to always send files by AIM cuz it was faster than email, or CD-R, or the infared file transfer built int our ThikPads
22:04:10 <flo> but you were inside the same private network?
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22:06:53 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): did you ever finshes the installer for windows
22:06:58 <flo> yes
22:07:07 <flo> I gave a link for people to test it a few days ago
22:07:19 <DGMurdockIII> i gess i missed that
22:07:28 <DGMurdockIII> can i get the link
22:07:42 <DGMurdockIII> will you also make one for mac
22:07:46 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/instantbird-0.2b2pre.en-US.win32.installer.exe
22:08:20 <flo> no, on Mac we have always had a .dmg bundle that is exactly like what firefox does.
22:08:30 <DGMurdockIII> ok
22:09:04 <DGMurdockIII> what is setting/ profile saved as in the instant bird profile
22:13:39 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): now why cant i rename buddies
22:13:58 <flo> because that's an old build
22:14:14 <flo> installers are not yet created automatically for nightlies
22:14:23 <DGMurdockIII> i tryed to update but it wont update
22:14:27 <flo> I built that installer on my own computer
22:14:53 <DGMurdockIII> ok
22:15:03 <DGMurdockIII> i got you
22:15:14 <DGMurdockIII> that what i thougt would happen
22:17:00 <flo> there will be installers for each nightly once Even do the related changes on the automatic nightly creation process
22:17:24 <flo> but currently he already has lots of things to do with the server migration, and the language packs
22:25:52 <DGMurdockIII> ok
22:34:02 <flo> good night :)
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23:37:21 <Mic> nn
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