#instantbird log on 01 20 2010

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09:48:09 <flo> hi :)
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10:20:50 <Mic> hi
10:20:57 <flo> hi :)
10:30:16 <Mic> I need to check whether the problem with bug 247 is really fixed or not, but I guess it is
10:30:19 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Facebook plugin, continuing connection attempts lead to block from Facebook
10:30:38 <Mic> I can't imagine that Facebook will block after 5 attempts within 10 minutes or so
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10:51:17 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/buddy-list-status.png
11:05:43 <Mic> Is it a mockup or an actual screenshot?
11:05:54 <flo> both
11:06:21 <flo> it's an actually screenshot of a XUL/CSS mockup (there's no JS/C++ for the feature yet)
11:07:08 <Mic> Do you intend the status to be editable in place?
11:07:14 <flo> yes
11:07:16 <Mic> Like with renaming buddies?
11:07:21 <Mic> ah, nice
11:07:23 <flo> hmm
11:07:31 <flo> well, I don't know
11:07:37 <flo> that's a bit small
11:08:00 <Mic> The name is a sort of global alias?
11:08:08 <flo> yeah
11:08:18 <flo> it's the display name that will be used at least on MSN and Google Talk
11:09:06 <Mic> And most likely same is true for the buddy picture..?
11:09:38 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/buddy-list-status2.png
11:10:05 <Mic> I like the first one better
11:11:24 <flo> I tend to prefer the first one too, except when that window is placed on the right end of my screen
11:15:54 <flo> I'll miss the "I'm back" button
11:16:12 <Mic> How do you set the status?
11:16:30 <flo> Maybe I should add a "X" at the end of the status message if the current status is "away"
11:17:11 <flo> A click on the green dot would popup a menu listing the different possible status (probably only "available, away, offline" for now)
11:17:31 <Mic> :)
11:17:50 <Mic> That was the idea on my accounts mockup as well
11:17:52 <flo> double clicking in the status message will make it editable
11:18:38 <Mic> Overlaying the green dot on the icon is consistent with the other usage (cf account manager)
11:18:45 <flo> I don't know yet if changing the status from the menu will automatically turn the status message into edit mode
11:19:08 <Mic> Double clicking the icon could bring up a set-budy-icon dialog
11:21:20 <flo> For the first start, before the user has set any icon, I wonder if a greyscale Instantbird logo would be a good idea
11:23:57 <Mic> Could you do a screenshot on Windows or Linux? I wonder how it will look like with the menubar being there
11:24:07 <flo> br
11:24:09 <flo> +br
11:24:22 <flo> oups, sorry
11:24:25 <flo> I meant "no"
11:24:33 <flo> but my keyboard was accidentally switched to dvorak :-S
11:25:06 <flo> at this point I'm mostly focusing on the user interaction
11:25:13 <flo> it's too early to spend time adapting for all OSes
11:39:37 <flo> Other opinions on these 2 pictures?
11:41:32 <Mic> If you want to show a menu or panel when clicking the status icon, it might be a good idea showing an arrow on it
11:43:08 <Mic> To make it self evident that there is an action possible and what will happen (ie it will pop up a menu)
11:52:08 <flo> I think I'll put tooltiptexts everywhere to explain the possible actions, but that may not be enough
11:52:40 <flo> I'm a bit resistant to the idea of the arrow above the status icon because it would make it a lot less readable.
11:52:48 <flo> Or maybe we can do it only when it is hovered
11:56:55 <Mic> If the status icon gets replaced by something more detailed, it would definitely affect the readability
11:57:15 <flo> for idle the clock has arrows
11:57:45 <Mic> I thought of an arrow at the bottom right, not centered ..
11:57:51 <Mic> anyways, I'm off to a meeting
11:58:07 <flo> ok, ttyl
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14:08:52 <Mic> re
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14:09:09 <Mic> bah .. finally finished
14:10:01 <flo> the meeting? :)
14:10:58 <Mic> yes
14:27:59 <flo> Mic: I'm doing a winXP version of the mockup just for you ;)
14:28:27 <Mic> Thanks
14:28:43 <Mic> I'm just curious how it comes out when you've got other things on the window
14:28:47 <Mic> (ie menubar)
14:29:19 <Troy> flo... maybe win7 for me ;)
14:29:26 <flo> no :-P
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14:36:08 <Amfidiusz> Hi everyone :)
14:36:16 <flo> hi :)
14:36:49 <Amfidiusz> I guess I need your help in order to understand some things..
14:37:06 <Amfidiusz> I've just started working on the translation of IB
14:37:28 <Amfidiusz> and am wondering when and why the '&' symbol is used in the strings?
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14:37:49 <flo> do you have examples?
14:38:00 <flo> if it's in libpurple, it's probably for accesskeys
14:38:24 <Amfidiusz> It's in instantbird folder..
14:38:50 <Amfidiusz> we've got like "Remove $BrandFullName from your computer." but a few lines below "&Remove my $BrandShortName personal data and customizations"
14:39:06 <Amfidiusz> I have no idea how should I treat it..
14:39:17 <flo> ok, that's in the installer code
14:39:24 <Amfidiusz> yeah
14:39:41 <flo> maybe you can look at how it's handled for Firefox?
14:40:12 <Amfidiusz> ok, i'll try to check the ff translation
14:40:16 <flo> http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/pl/file/2287fcc72fba/browser/installer
14:40:24 <Amfidiusz> i'll let you know if i'll figure it out ;)
14:40:53 <flo> most of this file will be identical with the same file of Firefox or Thunderbird, so don't hesitate to copy&paste the identical parts ;)
14:41:01 <Amfidiusz> Was it so obvious that I'm Polish? :)
14:41:38 <flo> wanadoo.nl in your reverse DNS made me doubt
14:41:55 <flo> but your IRC nick is the same as one of the user account I created on the hg server for the polish locale ;)
14:42:15 <Amfidiusz> Oh, i see :)
14:42:31 <flo> :)
14:46:50 <flo> Mic: http://queze.net/goinfre/buddy-list-status-winxp.png
14:50:13 <Amfidiusz> OK, I have compared the Firefox installer with its language files and... I have absolutely no idea why the & symbol was placed there: http://i47.tinypic.com/14m719s.jpg --> http://i50.tinypic.com/23iba51.png 
14:50:35 <Amfidiusz> I'm gonna leave it they made it in ff. Thanks for a tip!
14:50:43 <flo> It's the accesskey
14:51:00 <flo> if you press alt+this letter on your keyboard, if will click that checkbox automatically
14:51:30 <Amfidiusz> I wouldn't think about that :) Thanks!
14:51:49 <flo> no problem
14:51:53 <flo> don't hesitate to ask if you have questions
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15:07:33 <flo> Mic: another attempt: http://queze.net/goinfre/buddy-list-status-winxp3.png
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16:04:13 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 308 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
16:04:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve the behavior when a contact that is being renamed signs off
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16:56:39 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 309 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
16:56:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Some system messages contain emoticons where they should not.
17:06:04 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 310 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
17:06:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The 'add buddy' dialog should have a default group
17:12:56 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 311 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
17:12:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Selection serialization horribly slow when thousands of messages are selected
17:15:09 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 312 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
17:15:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Dragging text from a conversation should use our custom selection serialization algorithm
17:20:23 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 313 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
17:20:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, There should be a key binding to temporarily bypass the magic serialization used when copying
17:24:29 <Troy> hoh
17:27:27 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 314 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
17:27:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, overlapping selection ranges can mess-up the selection serialization
17:34:00 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 315 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
17:34:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Bad copy when copying the nick of an action (/me) message
17:39:13 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 316 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
17:39:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The selection serialization code should be able to handle consecutive messages differently
17:39:43 <flo> ok, I've filed all the bugs related to selection serialization/magic copy&paste that I'm aware of! :)
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17:51:44 <Morian> instantbot: stop flooding
17:51:46 <instantbot> Morian: Sorry, I've no idea what 'stop flooding' might be.
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18:20:42 <Troy> instantbot: stop
18:20:45 <instantbot> Troy: Sorry, I've no idea what 'stop' might be.
18:20:46 <instantbot> Troy: I WILL
18:20:54 <Troy> oh
18:24:08 <Troy> Morian: Hi
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18:27:42 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 317 filed by tymerkaev@gmail.com.
18:27:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, instantbird.com website show 2007-2009 copyrights (maybe 2007-2010?)
18:28:24 <Morian> Troy: hi
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18:29:48 <Troy> Morian: Today your Instantbird updated successfull?
18:34:03 <Morian> has tried yet
18:34:07 <Morian> hasn't
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18:42:57 <Mic> good evening
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19:38:22 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/."
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20:32:57 <Mic> How did it come that the bug lists ended up with a "Brainstorm" prefix on the wiki? :/
20:44:10 <flo> uh, what?
20:50:19 <Mic> The prefwindow and tab-improvement articles..
21:05:10 <flo> ah
21:05:35 <flo> that was because when we created theses pages, we were still brainstorming the details of these big features
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22:04:17 <flo> good night! :)
22:09:06 <Amfi> you too, man ;)
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23:14:25 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de set the Resolution field on bug 247 to DUPLICATE of bug 229.
23:14:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Facebook plugin, continuing connection attempts lead to block from Facebook
23:14:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229 min, --, 0.2b1, romain, RESO FIXED, Don't treat accounts immeadiately as connected
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