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TALK TO THE OWNER FRED- ON EFNET FOR DETAILS!! 13:24:20 <-- PR0SPEEDS has left #instantbird () 13:48:01 <-- Troy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:55:46 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 14:11:05 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 14:45:33 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 15:10:25 --> stevo has joined #instantbird 15:10:40 * stevo is now known as stevo_afk 16:23:41 --> Troy has joined #instantbird 16:28:43 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 16:38:17 <flo> any idea of how the UI should look in the buddy list while editing an alias? 16:46:17 <Mitch> Go all modal dialog. 16:46:34 <flo> Mitch: requesting a confirmation through SMS? :) 16:46:49 <Mic> Something like when renaming folders on Windows/.. ? 16:47:20 <Mic> ie an input box that takes the place of the label 16:47:21 <flo> Mic: yes 16:47:25 <flo> we will edit in-place 16:48:08 <Mitch> flo: So an alias is self-explanatory, and just a different name you've given a buddy? 16:48:18 <flo> I'm just wondering whether I need to add an extra bordure around the editing zone, or if I can just keep it as-is (the previous content will be selected automatically, so it's visible that it's editable) 16:48:26 <flo> s/bordure/border/ 16:49:03 <flo> so alias a buddy, you will either select "Rename" in the buddy context menu, or press F2 16:49:08 <Mic> :) 16:49:17 <Mic> I wanted to ask for the F2 shortcut 16:49:37 <flo> Mic: heh ;) 16:49:42 <flo> I used to use Windows 16:49:59 <Mic> It's same on the Ubuntu machine here 16:50:04 <flo> Enter will validate. Escape will cancel. 16:50:06 <Mic> (uah, Gnome;) 16:50:17 <flo> Focusing something else will validate 16:50:47 <Mic> Sounds good to me 16:50:47 <flo> I already have the UI-part working in my debug build 16:50:54 <Mic> What was the problem with the UI then? 16:50:58 <Mic> The border thing? 16:51:02 <flo> now I need to add the back-end part (storage of aliases, loading them at startup, ...) 16:51:21 <Mic> ah, I have so little time 16:51:39 <Mic> Maybe I should give the parts of the accounts quick access bar to someone else if you need it urgently 16:51:43 <flo> yes, I wonder if I need to add a border or not (it would be a pain to add a border looking exactly ilke the one the OS uses. It is very different on all 3 OSes) 16:51:47 <Mic> Or put in a nightshift one of these days 16:52:22 <Mitch> flo: See how Songbird does in-place editing? (If you dare venture into its source.) 16:52:22 <flo> or I was wondering if we would use something completely different 16:52:24 <Mic> Wouldn't it be covered by the themes anyways? 16:52:38 <flo> for example replacing the protocol icon by an icon of a pencil while aliasing 16:52:43 <Mic> Well, once you styled it correctly ;) 16:53:01 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 16:53:51 <Mitch> flo: I'm not sure clicking elsewhere should lock in an alias change. I'd expect it to cancel. Also, how would you unset an alias? 16:55:07 <flo> "I'd expect it to cancel." yes and no. If people want to edit buddies in a row, they will select the next buddy they want to alias to validate. Canceling in this case would be stupid. 16:56:09 <Mic> Mitch: that's how the behaviour is when renaming files/folders on Windows and with Nautilus on Ubuntu 16:56:12 <flo> I was wondering about adding a specific case for when the blur event happens because you focused a different window, and not just "clicked elsewhere in the buddy list". This would cover the case of "someone IMed me and a window poped up" 16:56:38 <Mic> Nautilus only accepts the change when you select another item, not when you just click elsewhere 16:56:41 <Mitch> flo: There was a question in there. ;) 16:56:43 <flo> In this specific case we would keep the buddy in "edit mode" for when the window gets the focus back 16:57:04 <flo> this case can be handled as a follow up bug. 16:58:47 <flo> Mic: I just tried. It seems Nautilus accepts the change when you click elsewhere, except when you click in a menu, or focus another window. 16:59:12 <flo> Mitch: "Also, how would you unset an alias?" Good question. I don't know. Any ideas? 16:59:41 <Mic> I can click free space on the file list (ie not a row with a file), use the scrollbars, ..) and it stays in edit mode 16:59:50 <flo> the only (very poor) I have now is adding a "Restore original name" in the context menu 17:00:20 <flo> Mic: if I click in the free space in the file list, it accepts the change. 17:00:27 <Mic> hmm, ok .. 17:00:34 <flo> Not if I click i, the empty space in the left pane 17:00:40 <flo> bah... that seems complicated :-D 17:01:02 <Mitch> flo: Well, with Windows renaming, blanking it and confirming resets to whatever the last valid name was. Not sure that's the best idea, but blanking then confirming could just reset to default. 17:01:03 <Mic> ok, maybe it has changed and most likely it is configurable somhow 17:01:03 <flo> (by the way, I'm trying on Nautilus 2.28.1) 17:01:39 <flo> Mitch: adding this feature is acceptable to me, but is not discoverable 17:01:52 <flo> though I guess people could live without finding how to remove an alias 17:02:15 <Mic> I'm using 2.26.2 here (on Ubuntu 9.04) 17:02:16 <Mitch> flo: If the "Rename" option selects all the text, then I'd reactively delete it all to see what happens. :D 17:02:18 <flo> it's not all that terrible to now see anymore the stupid display name changes of msn users 17:02:41 <flo> Mitch: just to see if there's a bug around? :) 17:02:44 --> Even has joined #instantbird 17:02:45 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 17:02:53 <Mitch> Heh, no. To see what it does. 17:03:36 <flo> other potential problems: what happens if the buddies disconnects while the user is aliasing it? 17:03:37 <Mitch> "No alias text == no alias" makes sense to me, but... 17:03:46 * Mitch gets Mic's opinion 17:04:14 <Mitch> flo: Depends what the regular behaviour for disconnecting buddies it. 17:04:23 <Mitch> s/it/is/ 17:04:28 <flo> Currently they disappear with an animation 17:04:52 <Mitch> Um...make some part of something fade? 17:07:15 <Mitch> (Note: I don't use Instantbird regularly 'cause I'm usually just on IRC, and...Instantbird is a bit lacking for that.) 17:07:50 <flo> removing the alias by setting a blank one makes a lot of sense. (it's easy to code :-P) 17:08:02 <Mitch> Hah. 17:08:33 <flo> by the way, what's lacking for IRC? 17:10:46 <Mitch> IIRC, it simply wasn't good. Contact list on the right, making it look like a regular instant message window, etc. I'll check it out soon to see if that's changed. 17:11:55 <Mitch> OMGWTFBBQ. How about a recent Windows nightly build? 17:12:25 <Mitch> "01-Jan-2010 05:59 11M Nightly build for Windows" 17:12:47 <flo> http://queze.net/goinfre/instantbird-0.2b2pre.en-US.win32.installer.exe Was built on January 13th 17:13:03 <flo> (built on my laptop though :-/) 17:14:32 <flo> hmm, it's at least the second time I attempt to close the log viewer with the escape key :-S 17:21:57 <Mitch> Not implemented? 17:22:17 <flo> Command+w works 17:22:44 <flo> usually Command+w closes windows and Escape closes dialogs. 17:22:58 <flo> the difference between the 2 is not really obvious in all cases though :-D 17:28:58 <Mic> Mitch: what would you expect the IRC window to look like? 17:29:13 <Mic> (maybe just name other clients that you like with respect to this) 17:29:20 <flo> how many people here have tried the installer, and on which versions of Windows? 17:29:55 <flo> the only remaining item in my installer-related todo list is "request help for testing on various versions of Windows (2k, XP, 2003, Vista, 7) both as admin and as an unprivileged user" 17:31:08 <Mitch> Mic: Well, I use ChatZilla, so my mental image of what Instantbird IRC has it in Comic Sans font and really garish overall. (Not an entirely accurate image.) 17:31:42 <flo> so you just want to use a different message theme? :-P 17:32:04 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 17:32:40 <Mitch> Like I said, I'll check out its recent behaviour. :) 17:32:57 <flo> it hasn't changed so much 17:33:33 <flo> Mic: by the way, was there ever a working version of the completion on nicks? We planed great completion-related stuff a long while ago, but it would be nice to have at least a basic version working someday :) 17:34:35 <Mic> Nothing that we were content with 17:35:29 <flo> I remember we discussed for a long time the usage of the "tab" key 17:36:00 <Mic> or ctrl+space like on IDEs or selected+pressing enter+.. 17:36:31 <flo> having the completion appear automatically and selected was my favorite I guess :) 17:36:38 <Mic> I think I put the collected ideas on the wiki? 17:36:49 <Mic> One of the brainstorming articles 17:36:53 --> Mitch_1_2 has joined #instantbird 17:36:59 <Mic> http://wiki.instantbird.org/Brainstorm:completion 17:37:21 <Mitch_1_2> NO TAB-COMPLETION RAGE 17:37:39 <flo> aa, the wiki works :) 17:38:29 <Mitch_1_2> I'd rather have the timestamps in their own column. 17:38:35 <flo> "(23:03:13) Eventreur: We're not going to use the emacs shortcut for sure... " ahah 17:39:20 <Mic> You said to do it using a jsm .. after I looked through the smilie jsm and others I got an idea what you meant with that 17:39:43 <flo> because we were talking about something generic, ... 17:39:58 <Mic> Did you have a look at the message themes? 17:40:01 * Mitch_1_2 does some action 17:40:24 <Mic> Should be possible to create something that looks like the Chatzilla theme 17:41:36 <Mic> I've got to go, have a nice evening 17:41:42 <Mitch_1_2> Bye, Mic. 17:41:53 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:41:56 <Mitch_1_2> flo: Lack of tab-completion really does suck. 17:42:13 <flo> feel free to fix it :) 17:42:29 <Mitch_1_2> flo: Also, there's no UI indication of which network this is on. 17:42:44 <flo> in the tooltip of the tab 17:43:39 <Mitch_1_2> Adding it to the titlebar would make sense, right? That tooltip really isn't intuitive. 17:44:59 <Mitch_1_2> How does Instantbird handle multiple simultaneous networks? Different windows for each network? 17:45:14 <flo> no 17:45:19 <flo> but you can drag a tab to a separate window 17:45:43 <flo> as for the title... care to fix it in libpurple? :) 17:46:16 <flo> gtg, back in a few hours 17:46:20 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 17:48:16 <-- Mitch_1_2 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:56:44 <-- Mitch has quit (Ping timeout) 18:00:18 --> Mitch has joined #instantbird 19:16:24 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 19:20:46 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:20:46 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:31:57 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 19:34:53 <-- Troy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:36:50 <-- devfil has quit (Ping timeout) 19:38:17 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 19:42:29 --> Mitch_ has joined #instantbird 19:42:38 <-- Mitch has quit (Ping timeout) 19:42:46 * Mitch_ is now known as Mitch 20:36:03 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 21:15:40 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:21:21 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 21:21:55 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 22:11:38 <-- devfil has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23:05:33 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 23:07:28 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 23:11:53 * stevo_afk is now known as stevo 23:14:54 <flo> good night :) 23:38:10 --> GeekShado_ has joined #instantbird 23:38:30 <-- GeekShado_ has quit (Connection reset by peer)