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01:17:45 --> DDD has joined #instantbird 02:02:12 <-- DDD has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]) 02:22:10 --> Troy has joined #instantbird 02:54:45 <-- Troy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:50:12 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 06:12:44 <-- stevo has quit (Ping timeout) 08:46:47 --> flo has joined #instantbird 08:46:47 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 08:46:54 <flo> hi :) 08:52:01 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:52:05 <Mic> hi 09:01:44 <flo> hi :) 09:02:15 <flo> I don't think Jetpack actually tries to keep extension developers away from XUL, but it tries to prevent compatiblity issues when upgrading 09:08:14 <Mic> There are some nice attempts 09:09:13 <Mic> I read a JEP about settings that plans to create UI for a settings dialog from a datastructure that holds the settings and the descriptions 09:11:01 <Mic> The developer doesn't specify how the UI should look like, only which settings should be changeable and some other things like e.g. 'maybe use a slider with range 0-10' 09:11:06 <flo> I guess there are lots of interesting ideas there (in jetpack) 09:11:28 <Mic> If such a thing works, it's pretty powerful 09:12:00 <flo> I'll probably need to spend some time looking into that, and see what we need to do so that instantbird can benefit from it 09:13:46 <Mic> I was referring to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Jetpack/JEP/24 this btw 09:16:03 <Mic> From such a thing you could create other ways to change the settings easily 09:16:15 <Mic> e.g. generate commandline parameters for the settings on the fly (no idea if this is reasonable though;) 09:26:15 <flo> the upgrade from libpurple 2.6.4 to 2.6.5 is not very big: 9 files changed, 115 insertions(+), 49 deletions(-) 09:30:55 <Mic> So I guess it's serious instead? 09:32:50 <flo> there's a very serious security issue in the MSN plugin 09:35:14 <flo> I'm not sure if Instantbird users are exposed or not though 09:36:44 --> testib has joined #instantbird 09:45:53 --> Troy has joined #instantbird 09:57:34 <-- testib has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 10:02:18 <Mic> flo: you changed the keyboard shortcut of the account manager recently 10:02:29 <flo> yes 10:02:34 <flo> so that it doesn't conflit with "select all" 10:02:52 <Mic> To prevent a conflict or two prevent two different actions having the same shortcut? 10:02:57 <Mic> *to 10:03:10 <flo> 2 implies 1. ;) 10:03:21 <Mic> i.e. is it supposed to work from the conversation window for example? 10:03:28 <flo> on mac it does 10:03:32 <flo> the menus apply on all windows 10:03:54 <Mic> I think it doesn't on Windows 10:04:14 <Mic> At least I can't recall that it's possible to open the error console from the convesation window 10:04:52 <Mic> I think a keyboard shortcut to open the most recently used chat window would be useful (from whatever window/dialog that is opened right now) 10:05:14 <Mic> Or maybe having it cycle through the conversation windows 10:05:31 <Mic> *right now at this moment 10:06:43 <flo> shortcuts to go through tabs too 10:07:01 <Mic> hmm? 10:07:08 <flo> hmm 10:07:08 <Mic> ctrl-tab does that already? 10:07:15 <flo> we have ctrl-tab and ctrl-shift-tab 10:07:30 <flo> we would need something similar for conversation windows 10:07:51 <flo> but I think all the modifiers have already some use associated with the "tab" key :-/ 10:07:52 <Mic> alt-ctrl-tab, alt-ctrl-shift-tab :P 10:08:11 <flo> oh by the day, alt-tab is not used on mac :) 10:08:12 <Mic> Do we have other keys for the second hand? 10:08:39 <flo> is window-tab used on Windows? 10:08:58 <Mic> yes 10:09:22 <Mic> I think on Windows Vista it does cylce through the whole-window-display of the running programs 10:10:37 <Mic> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449 10:11:29 <Mic> I was wrong as it seems but it's used anyways 10:38:29 <Troy> hi 11:11:17 --> morian1 has joined #instantbird 11:11:37 <-- morian1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 11:16:32 <Troy> flo, you here? 11:19:34 <flo> I think so, but I've already asked you to ask your question, not ask if I'm here! 11:22:10 <Troy> o_0 11:29:44 <Troy> Again about aero... 11:29:54 <flo> what has changed about it? 11:30:56 <Troy> If you want I can send you aero icons 11:31:07 * Troy is now known as Troy_Away 11:33:34 <Troy_Away> Do you agree? 11:33:59 <flo> why not 11:34:21 <Troy_Away> yes or no? 11:35:33 <flo> you can email them to me 11:36:22 <Troy_Away> email@example.com? 11:40:41 <flo> yes 11:42:57 <Troy_Away> done 11:53:02 <Troy_Away> You can submit a patch now? 11:54:08 <flo> which are the files you edited, and which are directly taken from Firefox? 11:55:00 <Troy_Away> "themes" tab 11:55:21 <Troy_Away> as you 11:59:31 <flo> have you changed anything in preferences.css ? 12:01:12 <Troy_Away> no 12:05:22 * Troy_Away is now known as Troy 12:42:45 <Troy> You have submitted a patch? 12:44:50 <flo> no 12:47:59 <Troy> working on it? 12:48:13 <flo> no 12:48:26 <Troy> why? 12:53:52 <flo> I don't really know how to do it 13:12:52 <Mic> flo: as far as I can see Jetpack is something that should have been there a long time ago to support developers in writing their (classic) extensions 13:13:45 <Mic> I'd more see it as an additional API than a replacement for the existing system 13:13:59 <flo> I think that's what they are doing 13:15:43 <Mic> "Deprecating the old" doesn't exactly sound like that 13:18:10 <flo> yeah, that's where the troll started 13:18:41 <flo> but he meant "discouraging use for new addons and encouraging migrations", not "deleting" ;) 13:26:20 <Mic> Well, I think it's evolution .. 13:27:51 <Mic> If it's really better then people will change .. if it's not and they force it .. well, then Darwin might take care of it ;) 13:28:51 <flo> sure 13:40:51 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:41:12 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 13:42:44 <Mic> Don't get me wrong: I think this looks promising, I'm just not sure if they haven't chosen their way a little early 13:43:16 <flo> that's probably still experimental 14:10:17 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 14:29:08 --> DetroitLibertyPenguin has joined #instantbird 15:01:20 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 15:56:31 <-- DetroitLibertyPenguin has left #instantbird () 15:58:41 <-- devfil has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 16:00:43 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 16:01:10 --> stevo has joined #instantbird 16:49:53 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:07:59 * Troy is now known as Troy_Away 17:20:28 <Mic> bye 17:20:29 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 17:21:46 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:28:01 * Troy_Away is now known as Troy 17:28:57 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:40:35 --> flo has joined #instantbird 17:40:35 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 17:51:16 <-- Troy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:52:23 --> vicnet has joined #instantbird 18:46:18 <-- vicnet has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 19:00:31 --> devfil has joined #instantbird 19:44:42 <-- devfil has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:44:43 --> devfil_ has joined #instantbird 20:51:32 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 20:57:19 --> idechix has joined #instantbird 21:32:03 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:36:39 <Mic> Just an idea concerning extension: allow them to be flagged as broken/not functioning with a certain version (by users), after confirming that there is indeed a problem, there would be an email to the author 21:37:40 <Mic> After not being fixed for a certain time, there could be a "I can fix this" link on the extension page allowing people to submit a fix instead of the real author. It would undergo the usual review process and so on .. 21:37:50 <Mic> Well, just my 2 cents ;) 21:38:08 <flo> The idea is nice. I don't think we have anybody in the team willing to spend time to add features to the addon website though :-/. 21:38:34 <flo> but maybe you can submit the idea to the authors of the original site? 21:38:54 <Mic> I thought about that already .. 21:41:48 <Mic> ah: https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Projects/ACR 21:42:20 <Mic> That's half the work already ;) 21:50:06 <flo> I thought you looked at that first 21:55:22 <Mic> No, I had the "I can fix this"-idea the moment I read about the orphaned extensions preventing users from upgrading 21:56:05 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 22:09:13 <flo> Mic: oh so it was also "I volunteer to own this" ;) 22:10:40 <flo> good night 22:12:29 <Mic> good night 22:12:38 <Mic> flo: I didn't get you last comment 22:12:59 <Mic> like "It's _my_ baby" ? 22:13:30 <flo> if the original author has not fixed it for months and you volunteer to fix it once, you will defacto become responsible for fixing it the next time too ;) 22:14:51 <flo> people start an addon, they think they will maintain it "for ever", and actually a few years later they move on to others project and they lose interest in their original (comparatively small) projects. 22:16:28 <flo> for example, if I could give this addon a new good owner https://addons.mozilla.org/en/firefox/addon/2214 I'd be happy to give ownership of it :) 22:17:22 <Mic> bah, you didn't have a bigger screenhot btw? 22:17:47 <flo> 5 years ago it was the first thing related to mozilla that I did. I guess I was proud of it. Now... I have a bigger project and I no longer have the motivation for this addon 22:18:09 <flo> http://mozilla.queze.net/pict/ViewDep0.3.1.png 22:18:52 <flo> http://mozilla.queze.net/pict/viewdep0.3.1-german.png apparently it was still Firefox 2.0 22:19:24 <Mic> hehe, "heise.de" 22:19:46 <flo> oh well, good night! :) 22:19:53 <Mic> That's the most reknown german IT news page (and they covered the jetpack thingie today) 22:19:57 <Mic> nn 22:30:11 <-- idechix has quit (Quit: Instantbird 0.2b2pre) 22:42:34 <-- devfil_ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 22:57:31 --> Antoine has joined #instantbird 22:57:40 <-- Antoine has left #instantbird () 23:38:31 <Mic> hmm :( 23:38:34 <Mic> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539084