#instantbird log on 12 13 2009

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00:00:40 <flo> the locale code is "gr", right?
00:00:47 <GeorgeF> nope
00:01:03 <Chaz6> gr-GR?
00:01:05 <GeorgeF> the locale code is el or el-GR
00:01:19 <Chaz6> Ah
00:01:50 * flo will soon get completely lost if he doesn't find a page with all the language codes associated with the readable language name
00:03:27 <GeorgeF> well, in this case it's Greek, you can't read it anyway after all :)
00:04:39 <flo> I'll need some contact information, and a username and password for the account on hg
00:05:34 <Mic> "ellas" is the greek name of greece, isn't it?
00:05:49 <Mic> "hellas"
00:05:57 <Chaz6> the language codes are iso 639-1 and the country codes are iso 3166-1 alpha-2
00:06:27 <Chaz6> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
00:06:34 <Chaz6> errrhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2
00:06:36 <Chaz6> stupid ff
00:10:05 <GeorgeF> yes, Ελλάς 
00:10:44 <GeorgeF>  LDAP account info?
00:11:08 <GeorgeF> Should i open a bug for it or just provide the info here?
00:12:10 <flo> we don't use ldap
00:12:33 <flo> you can profide email and username here
00:13:01 <flo> I don't know how we can do "securely" for the password. Maybe I can just generate a password and email it to you
00:14:41 <GeorgeF> ok it's fiotakis AT otenet.gr , username..uhmm... "sonickydon" 
00:15:38 <flo> does it bother you if I put your email address on the publicly visible page http://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Locales_Managers ?
00:18:55 <GeorgeF> uhmm well that depends.. if it's going to be an actual link yes
00:19:16 <flo> I can write it as fiotakis AT otenet.gr
00:19:46 <flo> it's just so that other people interested in helping you can contact you to offer their help ;)
00:20:04 <GeorgeF> yep, that's good enough for me, it's my primary address and i don't wont it to be spammed by every bot outhere
00:21:06 <flo> may I have your full name too?
00:21:08 <GeorgeF> yeah i understand that.. it would be great but i don't think it's a valid option..curently the greek team consists of 2 persons, one fo them is me :)
00:21:25 <GeorgeF> yep, George Fiotakis
00:21:32 <flo> thanks
00:22:05 <GeorgeF> nice meeting you guys :)
00:22:24 <flo> hmm, maybe we should just create email aliases to hide the real address
00:22:34 <flo> like el@instantbird.org for example
00:23:39 <Morian> it's very short
00:23:55 <flo> el-localization-team@instantbird.org maybe?
00:24:12 <Morian> el@ln10.instantbird.org :D
00:24:28 <Mic> what's the limit? 256 characters? 64k characters maybe? ;)
00:24:29 <Morian> or <username>@ln10.instantbird.org
00:24:31 <flo> el-l10n@instantbird.org
00:24:45 <Morian> this last one sounds good :)
00:25:05 <flo> the repository will look like this: https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/fr/repos/
00:25:15 <flo> I need an email address for the "owner" field
00:25:35 <Morian> do you think we could overflow the buffer on spamming bots by putting a 64K chars long email ? :-D
00:27:16 <flo> oh well, I'll put "Greek team <el-l10n@instantbird.org>" in that field
00:27:56 <flo> one day we can decide that this needs to be a mailing list sending the messages to all the team members once there are more than one :)
00:28:08 <Morian> or two
00:28:13 <Morian> who is the french translator ?
00:28:43 <flo> nobody
00:29:28 <flo> it used to be idechix, but we decided it doesn't make sense for him to work on that. His work is more useful on maintaining the websites and creating the official artwork
00:29:30 <Morian> nobody or "some people"
00:29:40 <Morian> ok :)
00:30:22 <GeorgeF> hmm i can post a notification on babelzilla about  it, results may vary but most likely locales with big teams will show up
00:31:26 <flo> it's a good idea :)
00:31:30 <GeorgeF> i guess fr, es, it and possibly de at least..
00:31:52 <flo> ru pl and sk are also likely I think
00:32:03 <Morian> haha
00:32:17 <flo> we had several people starting ru language packs even before it was actually possible to complete it...
00:32:22 <Morian> we already had at least 10 people for Russian translation :D
00:32:38 <flo> 10? I remember only 3 or 4 :-/
00:32:57 <GeorgeF> ok, i will do so then, 
00:33:06 <flo> don't hurry
00:33:10 <Morian> some were insisting a lot ... it seemed like they were more :-D
00:34:04 <Mic> Maybe we could email them?
00:34:06 <flo> let's see how quickly I can create the el repository before inviting more people to join in today ;)
00:34:14 <GeorgeF> i wasn't going to do it now anyway, first thing in the morning perhaps...
00:34:35 <Mic> There should be the email adress of at least some of them in bugzilla if I recall correctly
00:34:50 <Morian> and probably on #instantbird logs ^^
00:35:06 <Mic> yep, in bug 20 and bug 29
00:35:10 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 nor, P5, ---, florian, UNCO, es-Ar localization
00:35:11 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29 nor, P5, ---, florian, UNCO, ru-RU localization
00:35:17 <Mic> d'oh
00:35:24 <flo> we will finally close these 2 bugs ;)
00:35:28 <GeorgeF> Is there a mailing list i should subscribe as well or what?
00:35:42 <flo> we will create one
00:35:58 <flo> I guess we will need it to announce string freezes
00:36:48 <flo> so, I need a password. Is it ok if I generate one?
00:37:18 <Mic> speaking of mailing lists: you wanted to add one for bugzilla
00:37:24 <flo> yep
00:40:54 <flo> GeorgeF: I just emailed you a generated password for the el repository
00:47:05 <Mic> flo: could it be that bug 251 is the same thing that someone reported today (or was it yesterday)?
00:47:06 <GeorgeF> ok, going to try mercurial now
00:47:08 <instantbot> Mic: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, unable to authenticate : unknown error
00:49:07 <flo> Mic: very likely
00:49:58 <Mic> Already writing a comment asking for her input on this
00:51:54 <flo> :)
00:54:58 <Mic> Instantbot doesn't report each and every comment, hopefully.. ?
00:55:01 <instantbot> Mic: Sorry, I've no idea what 'doesn't report each and every comment, hopefully' might be.
00:55:38 <Morian> no he doesn't
00:55:43 <flo> GeorgeF: I think the repository is ready :)
01:03:20 <GeorgeF> yeah ok, i need to do some reading on mercurial now though :)
01:06:36 <GeorgeF> uhmm sorry if this a stupid question but i'm having a problem with the installation of mercurial.. autoconfig -2.13 is not in my repos.. which repo should i add to get it?
01:07:25 <flo> what's your OS?
01:09:53 <Mic> Good night
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01:11:48 <GeorgeF> currently i'm on an ancient machine running xubuntu 9.10
01:14:08 <flo> and the packet autoconf-2.13 doesn't exist?
01:14:33 * Morian looks
01:15:50 <Morian> package autoconf2.13
01:15:52 <GeorgeF> nevermind, i googled it and got it
01:17:42 <Morian> :)
01:17:50 <GeorgeF> yep, the wiki page says autoconf -2.13 so i couldn't finjd it
01:18:44 <flo> hmm, they changed the name?
01:19:13 <flo> hmm, it's autoconf2.13 on my ubuntu 9.04 too
01:19:36 * flo fixed the wiki page
01:20:45 <GeorgeF> i was going to sleep but as long as you are still here,  i'll keep up with the wiki just in case there's something else that i can't find :)
01:21:16 <flo> I need to sleep too ;)
01:21:30 <GeorgeF> yeah ok, just kidding :)
01:42:45 <flo> good night :)
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06:51:33 <Tro> Hi
06:53:14 <Tro> flo you here?
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07:15:27 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): you around
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08:41:20 <instantbot> m_of_b32@yahoo.com added attachment 257 to bug 239.
08:41:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239 tri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, The add buddy window sized incorrectly, cutting off the bottom
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09:08:50 <instantbot> New Websites - Updates bug 285 filed by m_of_b32@yahoo.com.
09:08:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285 blo, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Nightly builds of Instantbird are no longer updating
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11:06:24 <instantbot> raynaudquentin@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 285 to INVALID.
11:06:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285 blo, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Nightly builds of Instantbird are no longer updating
11:08:41 <Even> Hop, a bug that had a short live.
11:08:55 <Mic> What about a 'use system settings' on the font size of conversations would be a good idea to cover the case when someone is using larger or extremely large fonts (maybe because of accessibility reasons). Right now the font size of the content has to be changed manually whereas the UI behaves as expected.
11:12:02 <Even> Well, it looks like a good idea but the problem is there is no unified way to store thos settings.
11:12:41 <Even> At least Mac and Windows might be handled but for Linux...
11:13:06 <Even> Each desktop manager has its own way of handling its configuration.
11:13:38 <Even> That's one problem with open source. It's not unified at all.
11:13:58 <Even> There is always someone to say "It should not be like that. I'll do my own version that will rocks the older one".
11:14:27 <Mic> I think the buddy list really needs more space for the caption of groups
11:14:30 <Mic> Shall I fork?
11:14:35 <Mic> ;)
11:14:45 <Even> That is the main thing that might keep Android from owning the Iphones. They will have a though time for hamonizing there environments.
11:14:59 <Even> iPhones...
11:15:05 <Even> Groumpf /p
11:15:21 <Even> *their environments
11:15:29 <Even> I'm should really return to my bed :P
11:15:49 <Even> Well, we do not have this issue with Instantbird as of yet. We have extensions :D
11:17:44 <Mic> Yes, that's really a great thing
11:18:04 <Mic> Is so easily extensible
11:20:18 <flo> and forking would require a lot of motivation to setup a build machine for each OS
11:22:41 * flo has received a gmail invitation in Russian on florian@instantbird.org
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11:23:04 <Tare87> hi
11:23:09 <flo> hmm, that was from Tro
11:23:09 <Mic> hello
11:23:10 <flo> hi
11:25:19 <Mic> There's some bugs on the buddy list btw maybe we could add a meta bug to track them
11:25:36 <Mic> if someone volunteers .. I'll be off for lunch now
11:25:37 <Mic> cu
11:25:48 <Tare87> hm... why cant instantbird connect to mozilla.org correctly
11:26:23 <Tare87> said that it is connected, but no window opens
11:29:49 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 285 from INVALID to WORKSFORME.
11:29:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285 blo, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Nightly builds of Instantbird are no longer updating
11:30:29 <flo> Tare87: you mean connecting on irc.mozilla.org ?
11:30:47 <Tare87> yes
11:32:13 <flo> why do you expect any window to open?
11:32:45 <Tare87> well because I set up this channel for startup-join
11:33:10 <Tare87> so the chatwindow should open, shouldn't it?
11:33:14 <flo> hmm, yes
11:33:29 <flo> do you have any error in the error console?
11:34:14 <Tare87> connection timed out
11:34:31 <flo> so, it's not connected?
11:34:45 <Tare87> but account manager says Connented for about 15 minutes
11:34:59 <flo> hmm
11:35:07 <flo> have you tried to disconnect and reconnect the account?
11:35:22 <Tare87> not only one time
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11:36:23 <Tare87> ah mistake found ^^
11:36:32 <flo> :)
11:36:47 <Tare87> using chatzilla for long time I forgot the # efore channelname
11:36:52 <flo> ah
11:37:13 <Tare87> ok chatzilla go to sleep again ^^
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11:37:34 <flo> I thought you added the channel name in the "auto-joined channels" field after the account connected, and expected instantbird to join the channel instantly
11:37:52 <Tare> no ^^
11:38:04 <flo> that would have been a valid bug ;)
11:39:31 <Tare> well but the reason why Im here is that I would like to work on a german traslation. what informations do you need?
11:39:40 <flo> :)
11:41:26 <flo> we need your full name, email address, irc nickname ("Tare" I guess :)), and the language name ("German") and code ("de").
11:41:45 <flo> I will email you a password for the repository
11:42:57 <Tare> Fullname: Mario Illinger
11:42:58 <Tare> EMail: tare-studio@freenet.de
11:42:58 <Tare> Rest as you said
11:44:48 <Tare> I love my MiniBubble-Style ^^
11:44:52 <flo> does it bother you if your email address is publicly visible on http://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Locales_Managers ?
11:45:39 <Tare> else I hadnt written here public :) so no problem
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12:03:43 <flo> ah, I also need a username for the account on the hg server
12:05:52 <Tare> well take my nick
12:06:19 <flo> ok :)
12:16:05 <flo> Tare: I think the repository is ready
12:21:52 <Tare> seems to work
12:21:57 <flo> :)
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12:52:08 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de added attachment 258 to bug 239.
12:52:09 <instantbot> leeraccount@yahoo.de requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 258 on bug 239.
12:52:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The add buddy window sized incorrectly, cutting off the bottom
12:55:45 <Mic> btw why are the height and width setting on the joinchat dialog necessary. The height is hard-coded and the width is taken from the locale
12:55:50 <Mic> Seems strange to me
13:01:14 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/148
13:02:17 <Mic> It sizes correctly now without looking distorted
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13:15:46 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com requested blocking0.2 from the wind on bug 29.
13:15:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29 nor, P5, ---, florian, UNCO, ru-RU localization
13:16:07 <Morian> haha
13:19:13 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com requested blocking0.2 from the wind on bug 20.
13:19:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 nor, P5, ---, florian, UNCO, es-Ar localization
13:19:42 <Morian> :-s
13:22:58 <Troy> Add me to CC list  )
13:24:45 <Morian> Troy: where?
13:25:20 <Troy> [17:15]	<instantbot>	tymerkaev@gmail.com  requested blocking0.2 from the wind on bug 29.
13:25:21 <Troy> [17:15]	<instantbot>	Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29 nor, P5, ---, florian, UNCO, ru-RU localization
13:25:23 <Troy> [17:16]	<Morian>	haha
13:25:24 <Troy> [17:19]	<instantbot>	tymerkaev@gmail.com requested blocking0.2 from the wind on bug 20.
13:25:26 <instantbot> Troy: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29 nor, P5, ---, florian, UNCO, ru-RU localization
13:25:26 <Troy> [17:19]	<instantbot>	Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 nor, P5, ---, florian, UNCO, es-Ar localization
13:25:28 <instantbot> Troy: Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20 nor, P5, ---, florian, UNCO, es-Ar localization
13:25:33 <Troy> ooops
13:25:55 <Morian> you can add yourself by yourself on bugzilla :-s
13:27:22 * Mic still hasn't found the point of view from which it looks like a blocker ;)
13:30:18 <Troy> Which I did. Perhaps nothing has put, but the flags draw attention to the old bugs and serve as a reminder.
13:31:10 <Mic> Flo announced that it is ready for translation now
13:32:18 <Morian> (and these bugs have been spotted yesterday)
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13:32:58 <Mic> Someone wanted to spread the word that here's an application looking for translators and so on
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13:36:33 <Morian> btw flagging a bug as blocker is not a way to keep it in mind,this is not the purpose of these flags...
13:39:35 <Troy> Well excuse me! You have a bad mood?
13:44:13 <Morian> not me, but flo ... it's not impossible :)
13:48:01 <Troy> Morian, you know, Quentin has not received mail from me?
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14:03:52 <Mic> Now as we have uniform tooltips for buddies and tabs, it's even more tempting to try to add drag&drop of buddies to the conversation tab bar .. 
14:03:59 <Mic> And vice versa
14:04:21 <Mic> (ie adding someone who messaged you to the buddy list)
14:06:15 <flo> you can try ;)
14:06:36 <flo> I don't know if that's easy or tricky, I haven't thought about it
14:06:46 <Mic> no, I've got other things to do first
14:07:00 <flo> or file a bug about it on bugzilla
14:07:14 <Mic> why not
14:08:22 * flo is tempted to resolve both bugs about localization with a comment with a link to the blog post and the wiki page
14:08:47 <flo> I hesitate between INVALID, INCOMPLETE and WONTFIX for the resolution though :-/
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14:11:38 <iLobster> Greetings
14:11:41 <flo> hi
14:12:31 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 286 filed by leeraccount@yahoo.de.
14:12:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Drag & drop of buddies
14:12:56 <flo> :)
14:15:08 <Mic> I wasn't quite sure if it is major or critical though ..
14:15:29 <flo> enhancement is appropriate
14:15:46 <Mic> ah, then I'm fine with that ;)
14:16:54 <flo> it's not always respected, but the idea is:
14:16:54 <flo> critical: crashes, and other things that prevent the application from working.
14:16:54 <flo> major: serious issues. Some feature really broken, but it doesn't prevent from using the application (ie. a workaround exists)
14:17:13 <flo> enhancement is for features that we don't have yet :)
14:17:35 <Mic> I know how to read the help file on "severity" btw ;)
14:17:44 <Mic> Thanks anyways
14:17:54 <flo> I didn't remember this was documented :)
14:18:15 * flo shuts up and tests your patch
14:19:06 <Mic> Just go to a bug .. the blue underlined things (on my system) are most likely links that lead somewhere .. just try it, they might take you anywhere. It's pretty cool :P
14:21:15 <Mic> just in case: this one includes the same change to the join chat dialog: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/148
14:22:06 <flo> you already pasted this 80 minutes ago ;)
14:23:02 <Mic> Indeed, you get emails on attachments, not on pasted links
14:23:02 <flo> looks good
14:23:18 <Mic> I wasn't sure what takes precedence on your attention ;)
14:23:22 <flo> I tend to read the conversation here though ;)
14:23:29 <Mic> gtg
14:23:37 <Mic> Walking through a winter wonderland :)
14:23:40 <flo> :)
14:23:47 <flo> good afternoon
14:42:02 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 258 on bug 239.
14:42:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The add buddy window sized incorrectly, cutting off the bottom
14:42:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 239 to FIXED.
14:50:47 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/928687263d38 - Florian Qu?ze - Fix vertical align of labels in 'Join Chat' and 'Add buddy' dialogs.
14:50:48 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/55d204fbf2db - Benedikt P. - Bug 239 - Sizing issues on 'Add buddy' and 'Join Chat' dialogs. r=fqueze
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15:35:53 <Mic> Nice
15:35:59 <Mic> One more fixed bug
15:36:46 <Mic> Two actually
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16:35:10 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/152
16:35:32 <Mic> Fixes the enabled/disabled bug mentioned on brainstorm:prefwindow
16:36:44 <Mic> If you'd like it better, I've also have a separate js file with something like var gTabsPane = {...} instead
16:48:30 <flo> is there a ready for putting this code on the preference element and not directly on the checkbox?
17:09:40 <Mic> That's where the code for onchange events is called from in e.g. advanced.xul
17:14:27 <Mic> scratch that fix
17:15:01 <Mic> It must fail if the checkbox is not selected and the user opens the preferences page
17:15:11 <Mic> after a restart
17:41:33 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/153
18:15:19 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/154 (minor: fixed tab indentation issue)
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19:38:39 * flo has a libpurple with all protocol plugins linked statically :)
19:39:58 <Morian> does it deserve a smile ?
19:40:46 <flo> why not?
19:41:16 <Morian> mixing Instantbird and libpurple in a single executable file ..
19:41:23 <flo> ?
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21:15:24 <Mic> flo: was the latest patch any good?
21:15:47 <flo> I think it's good, but I haven't tested it yet
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