#instantbird log on 12 10 2009

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08:55:11 <Mic> Good morning
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09:30:13 <flo> hi :)
09:41:42 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 280 to FIXED.
09:41:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=280 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Wrong version listed on 0.2 Beta 1 download page.
10:42:42 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 281 filed by denniswiesmann@gmail.com.
10:42:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Pidgin 2.6.4 crashes when writing from Instantbird 0.2 beta1 on Ubuntu
10:43:15 <flo> ahah
10:43:39 <flo> pidgin crashes, and that's supposed to be our bug?
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10:58:56 <Mic> Maybe we should add a "Kill remote client" button somewhere :D
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11:17:16 topic changed by sand.mozilla.org to "Ask questions about Instantbird here. Official website: http://www.instantbird.com. Latest release: 0.2b1. Read http://blog.instantbird.org/. Nightlies: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/ (testing purpose only), IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/."
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16:01:06 <flo> Chaz6: hi. Do the newer nightlies work for you?
16:01:26 <flo> we changed the linux build machine to use the same platform as Mozilla
16:07:35 <Chaz6> I'll grab it now and see
16:09:07 <Chaz6> flo: yep, works! Thanks a lot
16:09:21 <flo> np, thanks for reporting the issue ;)
16:09:23 <Chaz6> By the way, instantbird is the first app i've been able to get working with thinapp and wine
16:09:45 <Chaz6> I dont need it but i tried it anyway
16:12:25 <Chaz6> I dont suppose you have twitter or something?
16:13:21 <flo> I don't use it (yet)
16:13:38 <flo> but I 'own' both the "fqueze" and "instantbird" twitter account.
16:13:48 <Chaz6> I'll add them then
16:13:51 <instantbot> New Websites - buildbot bug 282 filed by tymerkaev@gmail.com.
16:13:52 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com added attachment 254 to bug 282.
16:13:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=282 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Instantbird "latest-trunk" version on ftp show 0.2b1pre nightly builds
16:14:11 <Troy> hi flo
16:14:15 <flo> hi
16:14:19 <Chaz6> I'm still waiting for twitter to clean up inactive accounts :/
16:14:29 <Chaz6> They don't follow their own policy
16:14:43 <flo> you mean they should get me out of these 2 accounts? :-P
16:15:02 <Chaz6> No no, i want to get @chaz6 which has been inactive for over a year
16:15:13 <Chaz6> So i'm using chaz_6 now
16:15:19 <flo> ok
16:15:36 <flo> by the way, any good twitter client that I can use until Instantbird supports it correctly?
16:16:14 <Chaz6> There's loads to choose from, whatever works best i guess, i do most of my tweets with a command line python script
16:16:32 <Chaz6> Too bad twitter doesn't have an xmpp gateway any more
16:17:03 <flo> hmm
16:17:15 <flo> I guess hacking quickly an extension for Instantbird wouldn't be too hard
16:17:45 <Chaz6> There's microblog-purple which seems to work wel
16:19:50 <flo> I compiled it once for Linux. I don't remember which issue I had with it, but it wasn't great
16:24:38 <flo> I tried to document the 'release process' so that we can quickly make sure the next times that we haven't forgotten anything: http://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:release_process
16:29:26 <Chaz6> Hm, i installed the msn smilies but they dont show up in the main table of the emoticons tab
16:30:38 <Chaz6> I tried ":)" in a message window, no icon either
16:31:29 <flo> maybe that theme needs to be updated to use "textCodes" instead of "texts"
16:36:19 <Chaz6> Every now and then I see "CRITICAL **: msn_slp_sip_recv: assertion `slpcall != NULL' failed"
16:36:28 <Chaz6> It seems to be harmless
16:37:46 <flo> the msn plugin is harmless until it crashes ;)
16:50:06 <Chaz6> Another odd thing, the vacation theme has started using german instead of english
16:50:28 <Chaz6> The theme names are in german, and the message header has "Ich" instead of "Me"
16:53:16 <flo> was it updated recently?
16:54:45 <Chaz6> I'm not sure, i think i just added it
17:34:50 <DetroitLibertyPenguin> damnit! we tried to make sure the reset of you didn't have to learn German 60 years ago
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17:42:12 <Troy> fack
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20:03:09 <Chaz6> CRITICAL **: file /builds/linux/build/purple/libpurple/protocols/msn/slplink.c: line 584 (msn_slplink_process_msg): should not be reached
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20:45:49 <tommyd> Evening. I guess this question was asked a couple of times here, still, I can't find it in the FAQs: Why another IM client?
20:46:11 <flo> can you try to guess the answer?
20:46:23 <tommyd> boredom?
20:46:32 <tommyd> I mean I've read your roadmap
20:46:42 <flo> is there any satisfying IM client already?
20:46:48 <tommyd> and for 1.0 it says "feature parity with pidgin"
20:46:59 <tommyd> and for 2.0 it says "video / audio"
20:47:20 <flo> we should really scratch that line ("feature parity")
20:47:33 <tommyd> actually I'm quite satisfied with pidgin, so the question arises what you want to do better than pidgin
20:47:46 <tommyd> sure, gtk+ apps look like daemons on win32
20:47:58 <tommyd> but why start with XUL then?
20:48:02 <flo> by the way, read the current roadmap
20:48:04 <flo> http://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Roadmap
20:48:08 <flo> not the outdated one
20:48:08 <tommyd> and the OSX guys (like me) have Adium anyways
20:48:45 <tommyd> well, yes, this is what I read
20:49:01 <flo> there's no "feature parity" on that page
20:49:02 <tommyd> so again, what is your main drive?
20:49:33 <flo> "why start with XUL then?" for the extensibility.
20:49:46 <tommyd> thats actually the only reason I guessed myself
20:49:59 <flo> but really, if you are happy with Pidgin or Adium or Kopete, that's great and we are not making Instantbird for you.
20:50:02 <tommyd> i thought "its probably easier to write an extension in XUL than one in pidgin"
20:50:25 <flo> think about the people who are *not* happy with pidgin.
20:50:31 <tommyd> its not about me here - its about you
20:50:43 <tommyd> right, I want to know what you're unhappy with pidgin
20:50:51 <tommyd> not that I'm a pidgin affiliate
20:51:04 <tommyd> but I just doesn't get the point when I look at the website
20:52:26 <flo> the extensibility is really important for me (that's what started the project 2 years ago)
20:53:04 <tommyd> ok, than this is the first valid point
20:53:10 <tommyd> what are the other ones?
20:53:51 <tommyd> don't get me wrong - I think everybody who reads, understands and extends Mozilla code is neither a bad guy nor a dumb ass per se
20:54:12 <tommyd> I just think "damn, if these people would just join an existing project, how much could they make it better..."
20:54:24 <flo> there's no existing project
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20:54:50 <flo> look for a multiplatform IM client (I mean, that really works well on the 3 major OSes), and there's... nothing.
20:55:41 <tommyd> I can think of at least pidgin and kopete, once the KDE guys make proper ports for OSX and Mac
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20:56:06 <flo> are they easily extensible?
20:56:23 <tommyd> I don't know - but what about making them easier extensible?
20:56:35 <flo> like, rewriting the UI in XUL?
20:57:52 <tommyd> the question arises of course: why do you want to be able to rewrite the ui easily - it is your aim to change it often?
20:58:02 <flo> yes
20:58:35 <flo> I like how Mozilla can iterate quickly on the UI, do cool experiments (look at what Mozilla labs does with things like Ubiquity, ...)
20:59:06 <flo> And I think the IM clients need significant UI improvements. Which we can't get right before testing them (with extensions!)
20:59:28 <tommyd> ok, then I give you guys some time to elaborate and wish you all the best
20:59:50 <tommyd> maybe in a short to mid-term time frame a couple of more (sceptic) people like me will follow and eventually join
20:59:59 <tommyd> thanks for reading and replying!
21:00:04 <flo> heh, by the way, let's take it another way
21:00:15 <flo> what would you love to change in your IM client?
21:00:34 <tommyd> well, maybe I'm too old, but actually not much
21:00:45 <flo> "not much" doesn't mean "nothing"
21:01:05 <tommyd> I'd probably remove all the rtf, emoticons crap and everything else which distracts me from reading / understanding and replying
21:01:13 <tommyd> and, one thing
21:01:37 <tommyd> I'd hack on pidgins xmpp integration, because not getting notified about other people's authorizations sometimes sucks
21:01:45 <flo> :)
21:01:55 <tommyd> but I guess you'll suffer the same because of the libpurple integration
21:02:16 <flo> I'm sure you will find dozens of other minor details that you would like to improve if you could
21:02:52 <tommyd> one last tip: add a "why do we do this?" faq entry and add a few sentences - from you and your colleques
21:02:59 <flo> we see libpurple as a way to start quickly with a lot of protocols. It should not become a constrain.
21:03:10 <tommyd> it might help other people understand what you're doing and why you're doing it
21:03:25 <tommyd> without getting the stamp of "inventing the wheel another time" and / or "copy cats"
21:03:25 <flo> actually, we have a pretty good document on the topic, but unfortunately it's in french :(.
21:03:42 <flo> but yes, I'll thing about adding a page somewhere explaining why this project matters
21:03:53 <tommyd> ... a language I unfortunately do not understand
21:04:00 <flo> of course
21:04:09 <tommyd> thanks for reading again and good night
21:04:20 <flo> good night. Don't hesitate to follow the project ;)
21:05:06 <tommyd> I will, eventually ;)
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21:38:02 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c0737335cb8d - Florian Qu?ze - Replace the hack around the sender color in Chat conversations, so that %senderColor% is no longer replaced in conversation content.
21:38:03 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3da25942d2a5 - Florian Qu?ze - Fix some JavaScript strict warnings.
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21:59:50 <Dragonito> Hi there
22:00:16 <flo> hi
22:00:24 <Dragonito> i´m using mac os, the Sign-on at startup doesnt work
22:00:25 <Dragonito> :-)
22:00:46 <flo> what do you mean by "doesn't work"?
22:00:55 <Dragonito> it doesnt sign on
22:01:15 <Dragonito> version 0.2b1
22:01:29 <flo> what do you see in the account manager?
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22:03:08 <Dragonito> connect, the Sign on Startup checkbox is checked. But, it was the first start after installing and managin the accounts
22:03:44 <Dragonito> strange, now it works.
22:04:09 <flo> did you see an error message when it didn't work?
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22:05:31 <Dragonito> no, nothing happend. In Error Console i´ve got some XML Parser errors  in Jabber stream
22:06:16 <Dragonito> Error: XML parser error for JabberStream 0x197f2810: Domain 1, code 5, level 3: Extra content at the end of the document
22:06:16 <Dragonito> Source File: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/raw-file/5a903fca8987/purple/libpurple/protocols/jabber/parser.c
22:06:16 <Dragonito> Line: 164
22:06:17 <Dragonito> Source Code:
22:06:17 <Dragonito> jabber: jabber_parser_structured_error_handler
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22:10:26 <flo> Dragonito: I think that error is harmless
22:11:02 <iLobster> Greetings
22:11:23 <Dragonito> yes its only little parsing error
22:15:17 <flo> well, a parsing error can be alarming, but the fact that it's "at the end of the document" makes me think it's just a few trailing characters
22:16:25 <Dragonito> perhaps some jabberserver send some extra data
22:16:45 <Dragonito> i´ve got jabber.ccc.de and google running
22:17:50 <flo> I often see that error too
22:17:55 <Dragonito> Wow, i see youve got also IRC support.
22:18:56 <Dragonito> ill try it :)
22:19:00 <flo> :)
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22:21:48 <Dragonito> i´m back
22:21:57 <flo> with Instantbird?
22:22:06 <Dragonito> yes
22:22:23 <Dragonito> its a little bit tricky to configure
22:22:26 <Dragonito> autojoin
22:23:19 <Dragonito> but... it works well
22:23:24 <Dragonito> and its fast
22:24:15 <flo> "its a little bit tricky to configure" any idea of how we can improve it?
22:25:41 <Dragonito> Perhaps as extra configurationtab between General and Advanced Options. Also a perform Windows would be great
22:26:34 <Dragonito> And a List of joint channels in Buddy List
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22:35:31 <Dragonito> back again
22:35:53 <Dragonito> have you wrote something?
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22:37:11 <flo> no
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22:37:52 <flo> performing actions automatically when connecting could probably be added by an extension
22:40:24 <Dragonito> ahh you mean "join chat"-extension
22:41:54 <flo> There's a join chat menu, and autojoin is a checkbox there. The "autojoined channels" field of the account preference is mostly here so that you can remove channels from the list.
22:42:00 <flo> but I agree it's a bad UI ;)
22:42:19 <flo> anyway, I need to sleep... Don't hesitate to ask questions, give suggestions or stay around here just to watch our discussions if you want.
22:42:20 <flo> talk to you later :)
22:42:48 <Dragonito> okay my bed is also waiting :) Cu
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