#instantbird log on 11 28 2009

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10:42:43 <Mic> hi
11:04:10 <flo> hi :)
11:27:33 <Mic> btw I'm getting "Conversation is not defined" (conversation.xml:594) on the error console
11:27:57 <Mic> No obvious problems, just this error. I haven't looked into it yet
11:38:45 <Mic> (btw this was a cloaked question to let me know if you are aware of such a problem ;)
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11:47:37 <flo> I think this is related to a bug in textbox sizing on the first conversation tab of a window
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12:22:32 <instantbot> tymerkaev@gmail.com requested blocking0.2 from the wind on bug 109.
12:22:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Facebook chat support
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12:48:23 <Morian_> lol
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12:52:22 <Morian> ah Mic for your problem with "load" event, we can't do anything to make this point to your object. You have to call your object by its "global" name.
12:52:46 <Mic> well .. it does work, just not at this point
12:53:55 <Mic> (btw it is a singleton class if that's of interest)
12:54:11 <flo> Mic: pastebin the code, maybe? :)
12:54:23 <Mic> no, definitely not ;)
12:54:37 <Mic> well, not right now at least
12:54:56 <Mic> I'm off for dinner
12:55:16 <Morian> dinner O_o
12:55:21 <Morian> at 2PM ?
12:55:32 <Mic> After that I'll remove the 95% of out-commented code and then
12:55:36 <Mic> *lunch
12:55:46 <Morian> oh ok :)
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12:56:06 <Morian> "bon appétit"
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12:56:15 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 
12:57:47 <Mic> btw there is no feedback in IRC that using '/away' has worked
12:58:23 <Mic> e.g. "(13:57:48) * You're away now."
12:58:30 <Morian>  /away is a global command for the whole instantbird
12:58:59 <Morian> and I think that the "global" away makes the buddy away on IRC
12:58:59 <Mic> I know that it changes the global status
12:59:56 <Morian> but yes notifying on /away on the current conversation (or all ?) could be better
13:07:52 <flo> I think using /away in an irc channel works only for that IRC account :-/
13:08:03 <flo> ah no, I fixed that :)
13:32:59 <Mic> re
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13:38:08 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/101
13:38:38 <Mic> I stripped away almost anything
13:39:18 <Mic> This problem occured right from the beginning and the extra method is just there to show a case in which "this" does work as expected
13:47:33 <flo> yes, using aquaBar.updateProtocols is right here (in the method init)
13:48:13 <flo> it you really really want to be able to use "this" inside "init", you can do this.addEventListener("load", function() {aquaBar.load();}, false);
13:48:20 <flo> but that's not really better
13:48:53 <Mic> ah..
13:49:10 <Mic> Is it taken as a sort of constructor when called like this
13:50:57 <Mic> hmm, well, ok
13:51:17 <Mic> Wouldn't explain why the second example is working
13:51:28 <Mic> Nevermind, it's ok
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15:17:13 <Mic> :)
15:17:23 <Mic> Nice :)
15:17:49 <Mic> I've got the protocols automatically added to my statusbar :)
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15:48:59 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Mic2): statusbar?
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15:52:41 <Mic> yes, a little success on the quick access bar
15:52:59 <DGMurdockIII> the jump list
15:53:13 <DGMurdockIII> ?
15:54:05 <Mic> It's a toolbar with protocol icons that will popup a menu on which the status of the accounts is shown/can be changed
15:59:28 <DGMurdockIII> can you check this out and see if there is any thing you can do about it http://i47.tinypic.com/1z48jg9.jpg it happens ever time i do the update
16:01:59 <instantbot> Just appeared in Pidgin News - default :
16:02:00 <instantbot> http://gary-kramlich.livejournal.com/10776.html - Gary Kramlich: gtkdoc for trac, FINALLY!
16:11:02 <Mic> I guess you get a similiar message (or at least got once) when updating Firefox?
16:12:24 <Morian> DGMurdockIII: this is "normal" since updating is a patch, and patch the executable file as well.
16:12:58 <DGMurdockIII> i fixed it so it wont ask
16:13:00 <Morian> you just have to click on allow, and the same goes for firefox nightlies too (don't know how it works for "normal" firefox)
16:13:17 <DGMurdockIII> you use firefox nightles?
16:15:20 <Morian> I compile it by myself every few days
16:15:37 <Morian> or I use 3.6 betas ^^
16:34:34 <flo> uh, antivirus software on Windows are so annoying :(
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17:31:17 <DGMurdockIII> 2(flo2): have you fix that problem i was having yet
17:35:50 <flo> no
17:36:03 <flo> I guess you mean about that crash with google talk ^^
17:41:01 * flo is looking at the crash reports
17:50:21 <DGMurdockIII> yes
17:50:22 <DGMurdockIII> ]i do
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18:19:57 <flo> DGMurdockIII: I have a fix for your problem :)
18:20:09 <DGMurdockIII> ok
18:20:14 <DGMurdockIII> thats great
18:20:39 <DGMurdockIII> what the fix
18:22:38 <Morian_> GeekShadow: yes I already have TF2 (for a long time !) (I know this has nothing to do with #instantbird, sorry :p)
18:26:43 <GeekShadow> Morian_, ok :D
18:27:36 <flo> DGMurdockIII: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/102 the second part of the patch is for your issue
18:27:47 <DGMurdockIII> ok
18:28:30 * flo is offering that patch on #pidgin, hoping it will be included in libpurple 2.6.4
18:29:00 <Morian_> you won't include it in the "libpurple modified version for instantbird" ?
18:29:15 <flo> I will
18:29:37 <flo> but it's better if we don't modify it too much (that is, if they include the same patch in the next version :))
18:29:56 <Morian_> of course yes
18:30:33 <Morian_> but fixing this bug on nightlies (at least for DGMurdockIII) can be great ^^'
18:31:17 <flo> I will
18:31:32 <flo> the first part of the patch will also please idechix ;)
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18:48:46 <DGMurdockIII> yeah but im just trying to make sure this is bug free
18:49:42 <flo> don't worry, the fix will be in the next nightly ;)
18:49:57 <DGMurdockIII> be back in a few going to take a shower then watch the movie clash of the titans
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19:43:09 <Tro> Hi
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19:49:56 <DGMurdockIII> hi
19:50:02 <DGMurdockIII> 2(Tro2): whats up
19:50:22 <Tro> flo here?
19:50:36 <Morian> flo is having dinner.
19:51:21 <Tro> pity
19:51:52 <DGMurdockIII> why
19:52:21 <DGMurdockIII> but what do you need
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19:52:28 <DGMurdockIII> maybe we can can help
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21:05:21 <Mic> I've inserted items into a menu, they appear in the DOM inspector, but aren't shown (no content in the menupop (ie doesn't even open))
21:05:54 <Mic> They're displayed differently in DOM inspector though .. while normal menu items are rendered in bold font, these are in normal font weight
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21:06:39 <Mic> (maybe that is node that aren't visible somehow? I found no explanation what the bold font on nodes is supposed to say)
21:06:48 <Mic> *nodes
21:07:07 <Morian> You have added them with DOM Inspector ?
21:07:29 <Morian> because DOM Inspector is far from being reliable on that kind of things :(
21:07:36 <Mic> No, via script
21:07:45 <Morian> mmmh
21:07:53 <Mic> using the normal DOM manipulation methods 
21:08:08 <Mic> (createElement, appendChild, setAttribute ..)
21:08:39 <Morian> are the "static" items shown?
21:09:07 <Morian> I mean if you don't add it with a script but directly in the XML / XUL file
21:09:09 <Mic> The DOM tree looks as usual, just with the added nodes the script inserted
21:09:14 <Mic> yes
21:09:21 <Mic> That's how the mockups were done
21:09:54 <Mic> (via "static items" to use your wording)
21:10:05 <Morian> and when you add items with JS there is no menu at all ? or just the static elements ?
21:10:57 <Mic> Some parts are static
21:11:06 <Morian> btw you should consider adding all the possible elements in your menu and then use JS to disable them or set their visibility to hidden.
21:11:07 <Mic> that is the toolbox and toolbar nodes
21:11:29 <Mic> haha :P
21:11:41 <Morian> that's the way it generally works in firefox, and I had to do this in the account manager
21:11:43 <Mic> I'm building the menu from the account list
21:12:13 <Morian> erf
21:14:21 <flo> Firefox has at least some dynamic menus (bookmarks, history, ...)
21:15:06 <Chaz6> The search in thunderbird 3 is really good now, it would be wonderful to have something like that for chat logs eventually
21:15:21 <flo> Chaz6: that's the plan ;)
21:15:48 <flo> wait for thunderbord folks to make full-text search work reliably, and then steal it :)
21:15:54 <flo> *Thunderbird
21:16:04 <Mic> TB3 includes searching in emails via spotlight / Windows search, doesn'T it?
21:16:49 <Mic> flo: do you know what nodes in bold font are meant to say in DOMi ?
21:17:01 <flo> no, sorry :(
21:17:15 <Mic> There's no explanation anywhere on the web .. 
21:18:13 <Mic> My nodes are normal font weight, the working menus are bold .. I think it might hint what's wrong/going on
21:19:37 <flo> maybe show a screenshot of DOMi ? I'm really not sure it will help, but just in case we see some hint on it that you didn't notice...
21:21:45 <Mic> I had a look at the DOM source/css files for it
21:22:02 <Mic> It seems only "accessible" nodes are shown as bold
21:22:29 <Mic> whatever this means
21:23:21 <flo> ah
21:23:48 <flo> probably means accessible to screen reader software (for blind people)
21:29:22 <Mic> ah!
21:29:39 <Mic> Could it be that the menu, having no items has height and width = 0
21:29:50 <Mic> and that doesn't change after inserting some?
21:30:29 <flo> you have a menupopup between the menu and menuitem elements, right?
21:30:35 <Mic> yes
21:31:04 <Mic> It's a menupopup between the menuitems and toolbarbutton
21:33:00 <Mic> That's a valid combination according to the MDC/toolbarbutton description
21:33:11 <flo> could that be a namespace issue?
21:35:19 <Mic> hmm, I don't think so ..
21:35:42 <Mic> I'm including the script from blist.xul
21:36:07 <Mic> It's not that I have a binding that uses the xbl namespace (I hope I got it right?)
21:36:20 <Mic> (For example)
21:37:08 <flo> hmm
21:38:48 <flo> if in doubt, use document.createElementNS(kXULNS, "menuitem"); with const kXULNS = "http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";
21:39:38 <Mic> ah, ok
21:40:04 <Mic> but that's not the issue, I just checked the namespace with DOMi and it is correct
21:40:23 <flo> XUL ? :)
21:40:49 <Mic> The namespace URI is "http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"
21:41:26 <flo> ok :)
21:41:37 <Mic> (on which the quotation marks shouldn't be included in the link, btw)
21:45:38 <Mic> brb
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22:28:18 <flo> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/106 that's lovely... :(
22:44:08 <flo> ok, that was https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525725
22:52:23 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/eaa510ff1c54 - Florian Qu?ze - Add a way to load a message theme by its name. Fallback automatically to the default theme if the current theme is broken or unavailable (safe-mode/disabled extension).
22:52:24 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c7ca6d46e04d - Florian Qu?ze - Add a -preferences command line parameter.
22:52:25 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e625fa68f585 - Florian Qu?ze - Libpurple crash fix (part of the future libpurple 2.6.4) jabber: Don't crash when adding a buddy without a node (no '@'). Trac ticket #10261.
22:52:26 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b7f540d53769 - Florian Qu?ze - Fix message flags for file transfer error messages.
22:52:27 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/89941cb4274d - Florian Qu?ze - Add a way to get a list of emoticons in any emoticon theme (used to be possible only for the currently in use theme).
22:52:28 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/988095590fed - Florian Qu?ze - Handle more classes (error, delayed and notification) in the messageClasses replacement of message templates.
22:52:29 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/1e32b3ccfef4 - Florian Qu?ze - Do not use C99 time formatters (fix an exception on Windows when receiving an iq:time XMPP stanza).
22:52:30 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/36628afa5441 - Florian Qu?ze - Fix wording of a comment.
22:52:42 <flo> ah, that was very quick today :)
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23:09:57 <Mic> re
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23:33:13 <Mic> instantbot: wiki
23:33:14 <instantbot> Mic: wiki is for collaboration of developers on documents
23:33:28 <Morian_> haha
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23:34:40 <Mic> instantbot: what is instantbird
23:34:41 <instantbot> Mic: Well, instantbird is a free, open-source, multi-protocol Instant Messaging client based on Mozilla technologies and Pidgin. More information can be found at http://www.instantbird.com/.
23:34:50 <Mic> hmm :s
23:35:06 <Morian> instantbot: 20/20
23:35:10 <instantbot> Morian: Sorry, I've no idea what '20/20' might be.
23:35:44 <flo> Isn't that reply the first line of the wikipedia article?
23:37:06 <Mic> Which wikipedia article?
23:37:17 <Mic> The one in the english wp got deleted as it seems?
23:37:27 <Mic> 18th Nov 2009 :S
23:37:43 <Mic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Instantbird
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23:45:10 <Mic> instantbot: test
23:45:11 <instantbot> Mic: hello <you>
23:45:15 <Mic> :)
23:45:26 <Mic> Nice .. 
23:45:29 <flo> "This software application is not notable in any way." interesting, very justified, point.
23:45:44 <Mic> Two quick lines and an extra css file are doing a nice job
23:46:22 <Mic> Changing the style of messages of certain people :)
23:46:48 <flo> there are interesting people? (like instantbird I guess :-P)
23:47:45 <Mic> That's just a prerequisite for a possibly nice feature ..
23:48:12 <Mic> Dynamically (ie by context menu) temporarily highlighting messages of people
23:48:17 <Mic> or greying out all others ..
23:48:19 <Mic> such things
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23:50:58 <Mic> flo: just say something
23:51:16 <flo> Mic: something :-P
23:52:01 <Mic> without Mic, maybe ..? The "nick"-class might interfere ..
23:52:17 <flo> ...
23:57:01 <Mic> Good night
23:57:11 <Morian> night 
23:57:27 <flo> good night :)
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